Neda
By scarce Sunday Jun 21, 2009 8:00am
UPDATE: It is now being reported that her name was Neda Agha Soltan.
The girl in the video below is called Neda Agha Soltan. born 1982, she was a philosophy student. Neda's body has been given back to her family by the police under the condition that there is a quick and disrete / secret / low profile funeral. The Mosques in Tehran are under pressure not to accept the funeral proceedings for Neda. Already the original ceremony at Masjed Al-Reza Mosque located on Niloufar Square was cancelled. It was scheduled for 4.30pm tomorrow. The man with the striped shirt is her father.
The indiscriminate killing of a young woman named Neda in the streets of Tehran today [Saturday]. What we know of her is from this caption to the video seen below the fold, and an entry on Mir Hossein Mousavi's Facebook page which describes her father watching his daughter die.
CNN has been running a snippet from the YouTube video with her face pixilated, they say out of respect, just another faceless and nameless Iranian shot dead in the street by her government.
STRONG WARNING: The video below is graphic.
YouTube
امروز، سی خرداد، ساعت 7 بعد از ظهر این دختر جوان توسط لباس شخصی ها کشته شد
Basij shots to death a young woman in Tehran's Saturday June 20th protests
At 19:05 June 20th
Place: Karekar Ave., at the corner crossing Khosravi St. and Salehi st.A young woman who was standing aside with her father watching the protests was shot by a basij member hiding on the rooftop of a civilian house. He had clear shot at the girl and could not miss her. However, he aimed straight her heart. I am a doctor, so I rushed to try to save her. But the impact of the gunshot was so fierce that the bullet had blasted inside the victim's chest, and she died in less than 2 minutes.
The protests were going on about 1 kilometers away in the main street and some of the protesting crowd were running from tear gass used among them, towards Salehi St.
The film is shot by my friend who was standing beside me.
Please let the world know.
Faranak Zarrinabadi at 6:18pm June 20
Khameneie!You called yourself,the father of all orphans of Iran-Iraq war,but here you made a father witness the martyrdom of his daughter,in minutes,in his arms.You took away a mans,but Iran's daughter.He didnt believe it at first,saying:Neda,dont be afraid,dont be afraid..then when blood covered her face,he came to and cried:Neda,stay..Neda,stay... Read More!....The doctor who was there was helpless as the shot was in the chest.My dear Neda,you are now loved by all more than ever,my tears are nonstop for you,but you died for Iran to be free and Im proud of you,may you rest in peace in heaven.And you Khameneie,you will certainly pay for this and definitely go to hell!
(Nicole: Out of respect for C&L readers who may not want to subject themselves (or others around them) to disturbing images, I've moved the header photo still of Neda to below the fold. Our apologies to those who felt it too graphic for the front page.)
UPDATE: Al Jazeera report today.
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There are no words.
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The horror----the horror--
These pictures show the true results from actions of a government.
At the same time show people why Israel censored and blackout the criminal invasion of Gaza which if shown would have been seen as a thousand times that of what we see here.
If the true scope and pictures were shown of the illegal invasion of Iraq and killing of thousands if not millions of innocent women , children and men , plus all the pictures and taping of the torture of the prisoners from Bush's administration we would cry in out rage..
"""Where""" were the pictures of the beating , jailing of American demonstrators of Bush's illegal invasion of Iraq and the others in protest of Bush's criminal crimes.
Remember Jimmy Carter cry over 5 months later when he saw the destruction caused in Gaza by Israel's ????????
The news media refuse to cover it...
Americans have become immune to the criminal crimes and corruption from our government and Global corporations.
Jimmy Carter is a human being. Any human being would cry after seeing what Israel has done to Gaza and the Palestinians. I have seen so many pictures side by side with pictures from concentration camps in Nazi Germany.
Besides the clothes, they are the same pictures.
Exactly we see the crimes of a power center ours does not agree with, but where are the censored images of our invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan?
Equally horrible but on a scale many magnitudes greater.
Yes there are words........ Kent State, USA, 1970.
http://www.wcc.hawaii.edu/facstaff/nuckols-j/...
There have to be words.
I immediately wrote a song about the tragedy and what it seemed to symbolise. See it on youtube: "One Lost Vote"
Ishnum Munshi
Had seen it earlier via twitter links. Also had link to Mousavi statement (but in Farsi) - posted last thread.
Here is the best English translation I've seen so far.
http://elections.7rooz.com/englishnews/Mousavi%27s_statement_number_5_to_Iranian_people
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And then you have what US tax dollars have done for Iraq and Afghanistan.
......and how quickly we forget about Kent State and Jackson State in our own country...........students killed by our own soldiers.......I guess I'm having a hard time understanding why everyone thinks this is so much more terrible than what this country has done to thousands of others around the world.......and as long as people keep blaming it on "going to heaven" or "going to hell", then it will never cease.....so much for a loving and kind religion I guess.
it's not more or less terrible then what any other oppressive regime has done before, it's just another layer to the horros brought on by a scared people in power who fear of losing thier power.
The weird thing is among the protesters chants are Allahu Akbar, and the politician they support--Mir Hussein Mousavi-- is a supporter of the Islamic Republic, and was there at the beginning. It's shades of Leon Trotsky.
So this has nothing to do with religion, or hatred for America, but is an internecine power struggle of the rudest sort. One columnist, I forget who, said this shows that Iran is moving from a Theocracy to an absolute Theocratic Military Dictatorship.
I think you are underestimating the cynicism of young Iranians (or maybe of youth anywhere these days).
Notice the protesters aren't chanting Mousavi in any Iran protest videos (at least not in any I've seen). Mousavi isn't the focal point anymore. If at some point he was (whether this was orchestrated by him or others) ... this thing is it's own beast.
Their top theocratic leader states they aren't really muslim if they protest, so they protest shouting God is Great and Death to Dictator. This is about Khamenei and his definition of Islam. One of the demands is not just a redo of the election but a re-write of the constitution. Don't think they aren't muslim, they are making a point they are, but they want their religion and their rights. And Iran, like Pakistan, has been becoming a military dictatorship for a while. Like the Pakistani army, the IRG controls a large percentage country's wealth and companies now.
IMHO, Grand Ayatollah Hossein Ali Montazeri, not Mousavi is a more interesting one to watch in the power struggle at the top.
The demographics in the whole middle-east are overwhelmingly young. Even if Iranian protesters lose this round (beware the 40 day mourning period effect) and Neda is like tankman ... this area also isn't China in it's customs. Fighting is more respected than conforming. Young people in other countries are also watching.
that those damned liberals and DFH's who demand freedom are the one's shot, but the fascist pricks who do the shooting whine the loudest about how fucking persecuted they are?
Which is why Iran should not be our focus right now. We need to fix the shit we caused with bin Laden and not get distracted by Iran.
prosectuing war crimes! Until that is done and convictions are handing down Americas opinion on this or any other atrocity in the world are nothing but hollow words!
Those from the US should stop wanting to War with everyone and clean up your own house. I have thousands of pictures of murdered Palestinians and Americans in Gaza. Thousands from Iraq and Afghanistan.
If you go into Iran you will just make more hell for all of us.
Al Qaeda until the neocons cried uncle!
I watched this last night. It made me throw up.
The Iranians will win. The soldiers and Republican Guard will see these things and the Ayatollahs will lose control.
One of the opposition candidates sent a letter to the supreme council stating and this is not exact, "the council was set up so the government could not hijack elections, do you duty!"
That woman will not be forgotten. When you think the word freedom think "Neda!"
I watched the 'lengthy' video from the point when she was lain down onto the street, and it became quite obvious that life was seeping out and you absolutely SAW it leave her. It was a terrible, terrible jolting moment made even more horrific by her father's screams.
This is an Iranian issue and the Iranians will have to decide what to do. You really have to wonder at the viciousness of the Basij.
Otherwise, I'm on standby.
that would happen here in the U.S. if people just finally HAD ENOUGH and took to the streets.
the mojority of American don't care enough to even pay attention, they will never have had enough...unless someone trys to take the fat ass cars away from the fat ass people, maybe that would cause an uprising. But I have little hope that my country would stand up to anything that was done to them.
or at least not enough of us to really change anything. As long as people are more concerned about their Rams and the Rims then what is being done in their names, nothing will ever change.
The Department of Homeland Security was created to make sure of that.
The Cheney/Bush administration was very clever in that regard. You were told that the function of DHS was to keep Americans safe from "terrorists". In reality, it is a means to quell any kind of dissent from its own citizens within its own borders should Americans ever realize the extent of the crimes committed by their own government.
As we know, many of you did figure out what was being done in your names. Unfortunately, there is nothing you can do about it.
Mission accomplished.
Being shot and killed for protesting? I watch all the US and G20 protests and it happens. Maybe not always caught on film.
This will be Iran's "tank man" moment. Just awful.
I pointed out the same thing when all this started, only to have people here try to hush me up.
There was the same sense of over-elation on our part during the Chinese student demonstrations. People hated it when I pointed out they were college students, elitists destined for a share of power, and was not a popular uprising.
Heartbreaking.
very closely a number of US-orchestrated Revolutions.
A short history of the USDOS, USAID, the US CIA, NED nexus is in order for those unfamiliar with the chicaneries of this constellation.
They constantly try to undermine the separation of church and state. Iran is the perfect example of a church state and yet they are now magically against what they always are promoting.
I think we need to drop the seperation of church and state line, because they'll think they're clever when they point out the line doesn't appear in the Constitution.
We could replace it with undermining the Establishment Clause.
What would really strip their gears is saying they're against the Freedom of Religion, even though that phrase too doesn't appear in the Constitution, because the first freedom is choosing whether to be religious or not.
This happens how many times per day in Iraq and Afghanistan?
America has blood on its hands.
End the 'wars' now.
Dismantle the CIA.
It is extremely sad to see this tape of Neda's untimely and senseless death.
Should we only be able to see EVERY death that has occurred in our names with our tax dollars since September 11, 2001, perhaps the world would be a different place.
All the deaths with our military hardware, funding and prowess have been sanitized by the MSM and U.S. Congress/Administrations.
Last night I watched a DVD of "The Smothers Brothers: Censored" from PBS. Lots of footage of our dead soldiers coming back from Vietnam. Lots of footage of the massacres of Vietnamese civilians. Lots of footage of protests and the Chicago police arresting American protesters and beating them BLOODY at the convention. And these clips were shown on the Smothers Brothers comedy hour in 1968!!
What are we seeing on the MSM today related to our militarism, close up and personal?
Rest in Peace, Neda.
If the MSM showed video of the carnage your tax dollars wreck in the perpetual war, the wars would end tomorrow.
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Where is the video of the 86 Afghanis the Pentagon now admits (mostly) who were killed by B1s bombing their village, here.
B1 bombers over mud huts, congratulations to high tech America. But your smart weapons are not so smart.
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Where is the video of the thousands upon thousands of Iraqis killed?
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Where is the video of the dead Americans who thought they were defending liberty when in fact it was the Oligarchs war profits they were defending.
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Your Democrats in Congress just approved another $100 billion for the 'Wars'.
America and the perpetual war, here.
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I would focus on the fuel, myself? Thanks 4 your time. ♥
Happy Fathers Day...
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Thank you ysb. The same to you? ♥
to many of us walk blindly thinking that the world is a great happy place, living only by what they can see within nose-reach.
This woman died defending her beliefs, hoping for a better world. If only we ourselves had that same courage, to stand up to the people we know responsible for injustices and needless deaths of millions.
Wouldn't we end up just as dead?
I wouldn't lose any sleep, after everything is said and done, if the Iranians execute Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Ayatollah Ali Khameni.
I don't think they need to die. They need to be put on trial and imprisoned.
That would deny them the benefits of martyrdom they and their followers would claim.
No matter what you might say about Iran's Ahmadinejad, he didn't start a war of agression on two countries.
He MAY have rigged an election, much like in the US.
He's still less than half a Cheney or a Bush.
Iranian leaders kill 10 of their own citizens that were threatening the government and everyone is calling for the killers to be arrested and tried. American leaders kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people on the other side of the world who represented absolutely no threat to them at all and crickets chirp.
Does 'Neda' therefore also stand for 'Hypocrisy'?
how you come to that. Just because her one death may be small in comparison to the hundreds of thousands murdered by the Bush regime in no way makes her death hypocritical. That's just bizarre reasoning! The hypocrisy is in those that can get mad as hell over her death and not care one bit about those other hundreds of thousands that they paid to have murdered!
...one of the meanings of "Neda" is "sanctuary."
Where'd you run across this? I was reading her name meant 'voice' or 'call' ('calling')
Is does mean "call" or "voice."
It was on kamalkapoor.com: born on Sunday; sanctuary. Other sites say it means a high-pitched vocal call.
tragic...very tragic. Seeing this picture is awful. I know.....what was done was awful..but it almost seems that showing this photo, with blood coming from her mouth and nose and flowing across her face, serves no purpose other than to shock viewers.
My heart goes out to her family. Such a brutal waste. What on earth are they thinking?? Did she start a fire, ransack a building, destroy someones property or attack the security? I seriously doubt it. Such a brutal waste.
i don't think the picture is to shock the viewers. the picture is there to show the brutality. just because shock is the effect does not mean it was the intention (and frankly it should never be). there needs to be more pictures like this in the public eye. more videos of war brutality. seeing and understanding the whole picture is the only way sound decisions about the conflict can be made.
"if you could be told what you can see or read then it follows that you could be told what to do or think."
Compared to what a person who has been tortured to death looks like I'd say that looked rather peaceful. Our own government has hundreds of pictures much much worse of people who received their fatal injuries while shackled and in US costody!!!! I'm not trying to take away from the tragidy of this, only calling for some perspective! For Americans to sit on their hands over the hundreds of murders by torture in US costody and then to get all fired up over these Iranian killings is some pretty serious hypocrisy.
you have a good point. the images of the things that you are talking about also need to be shown (front page, above the fold) because that is the only way people will understand the weight of all of these actions: killing in Iran, wars in Iraq/Afghanistan, torture in CIA prisons, etc.
I will disagree with you that there is hypocrisy. The people who are calling for these type of images to be in the forefront of our media are also calling for release of torture photos, battleground images, etc. you should try to restrain yourself before forcing blame.
On the same topic, there was a discussion on my campus about letting anti-abortion groups show graphic images of aborted fetuses. Now I have no problem with these groups showing these images in the middle of my college campus. The problem comes when I, as an anti-war protester, am restricted from showing equally graphic images of dead soldiers, civilians, etc. This double standard is the problem. That's why there shouldn't be any restrictions, on any group, anywhere, regardless of affiliation or side to an issue.
Jeers to C&L from removing that image from above the fold. Even our children need to see these images. I understand it may be hard to explain to your children what is going on on those streets in Tehran, but as a parent you must take on that responsibility. So much of our young children's minds are clouded in fantasy world filled with similar violence. It is time they see that in reality, not some cartoon fantasy land.
ugh, shut up, your harping is ridiculous.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GS6pnYhMqd0
short video report of a bombing in northern iraq.a truck bomb killed more than 70. the worse this yr.
We didn't forget the shootings that happened here. Spurred by the atrocity we went through reforms too.
Its not worse, its just another injustice, that needs to be recognised and rectified. No I don't mean bring her back from the dead or compensating her family for their loss. I mean their crooked government.
It's amazing the Repubs are pushing to have Obama take sides. They are the conservative Ayatollahs of our country and wouldn't hesistate to use force to keep order. Every government, ours included, uses police, swat squads, national guard, etc. to keep control. Here we pen protesters up so our rulers don't have to see opposition. So often if demonstrators are peaceful, the police goad them so they can begin splitting heads. After all, it's a shame to be all dressed in riot gear and not get any action. The Iranians are a brave people. They are doing what we should have done when the Bush Supreme Court (our Supreme Ruler) chose George W. Bush for President in 2000. We weren't that brave and look what a mess we are in today. We should have done it when Bush got us into Iraq. We should have done it when Bush was re-elected amidst voting irregularities in Ohio. Americans are sheep, although we did get a little angry about the looting of our financial system. Again, it's amazing the Repubs are promoting lawlessness because they'd scream bloody murder if we had done what the Iranians are doing. May God bless the Iranians and give them strength.
If we took the side of the protesters that would cause Iran's conservatives to consider the movement subversive and treasonous, and if we took the Iranian Conservatives side, our own conservatives would say, "See, we told you Obama's a secret Muslim! He's paling around with Ahmadinejad."
(But of course they'll mispronounce the last name and pretend it was a joke.)
are strongly supportive of democracy, for everyone that is EXCEPT Americans. Republicans, though, are the leaders in this America-last ideology, and I would love to see someone in the media ask John McCain why he cares so much for the people of Vietnam, Iraq, Iran, Mexico, and Israel and so little for the people of the United States.
killed when Shock & Awe was televised with all the beautiful explosions.
"Why should we hear about body bags and deaths? Oh, I mean, it's not relevant. So why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that?"
Good Morning America, March 18, 2003.
I was concerned today this site would be about nothing but Fathers Day today, like the MSM, but then I could do without this image.
I am just wondering how much the US has to do with all of these demonstrations and whipping up the frenzy. It's a fact the US CIA/DIA operatives and the Army Cyber-Warfare Division are working on Iran right now and have been for a few years.
The WaPo did a survey in May that nailed the election results to the percentage so the whole western media meme (and it's proclaimed evidence) that the election was fraudulent has some serious doubt cast upon it.
It's too bad this happened. This kind of over reaction from Tehran will be it's downfall, even if the election was legitimate.
Followed the video link (saw it yesterday too, longer version) and went through some of the comments. Yep, conservative trolls at it again: the shooting was staged; why don't we have her full name; she died wishing for a Palin to run her country - not an Obama; this will be replicated in US streets when Obama tries to steal the 2012 election.
I only hope that Neda hasn't died in vain. As inspiring as the Tank Man was (is), China didn't change its government.
Wingnuttia is having a field day on this, they really want the US to invade and liberate Iran while at the same time wishing death upon as many Iranians as can be killed before the US invades (they hope).
Schizophrenics got nothing on right wing true believers.
the iranian people have the strength to liberate themselves
and all we will accomplish is what we did in iraq....make more of a mess of things
obama is dealing with the situation in the correct manner, and dont take my word for it....take kissenger's
But that top pic is so disturbing on so many levels.
Really, that one is too graphic. I can't look at it.
Horrific doesn't even start to describe it.
the CIA has that Obama is keeping from being released! Photos of a person who has been tortured to death while shackled are even more disturbing then those of someone who was shot protesting in the streets! THAT is truely HORRIFIC!!!
and the similar outrage they may provoke as well.
You look at them. You stare at them.
A glance was enough to burn her into my memory.
What? Do you think you're the only one who's outraged at this?
What have you done about the torture?
What have you done about the Iraq invasion? Or Afghanistan?
What have you done about the Israeli attacks on Gaza?
What have you done about the Russians bombing the hell out of Georgia?
What did you do about the Balkans? Or Nicaragua or ElSalvador?
The list goes on forever. Or how about all the damned psycho republicans killing people here? But, what have you done about any of them?
enough of your phony outrage already.
Thank you for saying it. All he/she does is bitch, moan and complain.
One of the problems of theocracy and religion, at least in the monotheistic tradition, is we see "other" when we are really seeing ourselves. Could the United States invade Iraq or send unmanned drones to Pakistan if we really believed that we are all one? Would Halliburton be awash in money if its board members saw us as one? Would the ruling class in Iran be so reactionary and afraid if it saw the world as one? When one victim has a spotlight on her (or him) then that one victim stands for all, in the sense that we just don't see that immanent truth most of the time. "Where I thought to slay another I slayed myself." I wrote lyrics for Neda which can be found here.
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Church Father Origenes Adamantius taught that all life was one, not just consisting of humanity, but including also animals, insects etc. His teachings were anathemized in 325 CE by the Council of Nicea, because they realized that there was no distinguishing between sinners and saved with his schema, ergo no need for salvation.
no need to pay for penance, indulgences, marriages, last rights, blessings, burials, tithes, baptisms or any of the other myriad things that organized religions extort out of the quivering masses terrorized into thinking they are paying to save something the con artists never had control of to start with.
Actually the Seven Sacraments originated with Mithras, as did the December 25th birth (Dies Natales Solis Invictus), and spring time death.
Many solar cults had them.
The Seven Sacriments: Baptism, Catechism, Confirmation, Eucharist, Marriage, Holy Orders, Last Rites
The purpose is the same regardless of religion.
To get what the villagers have through fear of eternal punishment. To make them behave a certain way on fear of eternal punishment.
To use fear to control the people and enrich themselves.
Same as it ever was.
I recognize videos like this are important and should not be censored, and you did say that the video was graphic, but you could have had some warning before the still image from the video linked on the main page. Pretty graphic and surprising when scrolling down the page.
to look so shocking when she died, isn't it.
Not as inconvenient as loading up the front page to get some news from the US political scene and finding my 4 year old daughter staring gape mouth over my shoulder at the dead women covered in blood before I could get it off the screen.
covered in blood and take communion in front of her.
I don't show my little girl images of the brutally killed.
I have far more class than that. She is 4.
As for dead guys on crosses, she doesn't get any of that nonsense either. Death cults are not allowed in my house.
I'm sure her dad, who witnessed her death, was upset too.
I think it's a good goddamned more inconvenient than your kid seeing a picture of it.
But then who the hell are you to proclaim that inflicting a 4 year old with that horror is right?
Miss Kitty, stuff it.
The images and footage should have been linked too, not displayed.
but really who was responsible for that? You were. She was under your direct control.
You are wrong and you tell me to stuff it. The American Way. I am getting used to this. You are like the guy who is sitting at the front of the line at a light that turns green, so involved in texting some one or balancing his checkbook or looking for a CD, he doesn't notice, and flips off the guy behind for beeping at him to go.
The sanitation of death in this country makes it easier to kill.
If she is behind me and I click onto a usually innocuous site that she can't read only to find the image of a women covered in blood and dying in graphic closeup who's fault is that again?
I can only hope that if you have kids that you didn't go out of your way to desensitize them to senseless violence while they were still toddlers.
I am absolutely right to tell you to stuff it as your response has shown.
I am nothing like your description, but you are quite like the republicans caricature of the out of control unthinkingly angry liberal it would seem.
The desensitization of very small children produces monsters.
I am sorry we are falling out over this. You are right to be protective of your kid.
Happy Father's Day.
Interesting thing,
The chief inspector of the CID in charge of investigating the Jack the Ripper murders, had photographs of the remains of the Ripper's victims, only to have his young daughter see them. But fortunately, she only thought that they were broken dolls.
She asked why the lady was lying on the ground and covered in blood.
Just what is the point to there being any government if all they do is cause misery and heartache for the people they're supposed to be governing? We have our own death-dealing ayatollahs in this country. Like a previous comment that mentioned Kent State. To hell with ayatollahs and to hell with the democrat and republican parties! People just want to live their lives, not be fodder for the schemes and plots of religious or corporate fanatics.
Check out this brain function. I immediately think... how can we turn back time... too right a wrong... to save a life and act in good faith? So my mind, starts spinning, not unlike a gyroscope and I stumble across her name.
The name, flatly displayed upon my monitor, in a silent shade of blue, the picture stirred a thousand thoughts... of Christian, Muslim,Sister and Jew and that's just to name a few.
The point I'd like to make, irregardless of her name, is the meaning of her life irregardless of the shame. A rather inconsequential observance, I've happened to derive, Spurred by my thoughts... that wished her, still alive! So I regress...
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May you rest in peace Neda ♥
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Today, 2009 T_C
who in the past has removed comparable vids because of their shock value
it is important for the world to see what exactly is going on in iran
the internet, and not the gun, will bring true democracy to iran
Dear scarce,
PLEASE WARN BETTER BEFORE PLACING SUCH A GRAPHIC IMAGE, ESPECIALLY ABOVE THE FOLD.
This site can be trusted to usually be pretty safe for an easy perusal, without worrying about a dead girl being shown.
Please be more responsible, as children can see this and be disturbed, as well as adults who would like to choose before they are shocked or at least prepared.
Despite your conviction otherwise, we are responsible for ourselves and you are not on duty as the truth officer.
Thanks.
how many kids are reading this blog
if they are mature enough to read the blog, they are mature enough to see the horrors of the world
and these clips are on youtube
but thanks for playing
My 4 year old looking over my shoulder is old enough to understand what was displayed on a blog that has never displayed such brutality above the fold before?
Get real.
If you want your news cleaned, go to a Corporate news source.
The truth, is unfortunately ugly.
Perhaps I should just blow off this site because I will never know when inappropriate images for a toddler will be presented?
Don't be a moron, the world is ugly enough without willingly showing the worst side of it to a toddler.
I think I'll just keep coming here thank you, and from the managements apology and the move of the images below the fold where such images belong it looks like you are off base.
how to explain these realities of life on this planet to a 4 year old instead?
[Deleted. OK The picture is below the fold, and there is a warning. This discussion and its insults are all off topic-Sitemonitor]
to tell someone how to parent their child.
My own kids saw the image, but they are older than Symes' child. It was a teachable moment for them, but they've been watching Mommy creating proxies for Iranians to use to Twitter what's been happening and talking to my Iranian friends about the safety and actions of their family in Iran.
My then-3 year old was terrified immediately following 9/11 because she thought there were hundreds of buildings being flown into, since they showed the footage over and over. I realized then and there that I did need to be careful to monitor what she saw and was exposed to.
I've moved the image because I'd want the same consideration if my children were that young too.
There's plenty of time left for a four year old to learn that the world is a violent place. Let her have these first few years to feel safe and protected.
For the consideration and the kind words.
I'm not trying to hide from such things, if I were I wouldn't be here in the first place and I would have thought the membership here would understand that much.
What happened to this young women is horrible yet all too common over in the Middle East right now. If we could only get the US to stop fueling the violence throughout the region, pointing its fans at the fires and spraying petrol from a safe distance. It's mind numbing.
And the number of people telling me my kid should just suck it up and that I am a lousy parent for not being willing to expose her to that as she just turns 4 is shocking to say the least.
She'll get enough of it soon enough as is without giving her fodder for bad dreams and fearful thoughts at this age.
Thanks again for understanding.
Whom ever shot her, could have shot anyone. But they chose a woman.
Women don't have equal rights in Iran. This is sending a message to the women of Iran to shut up and sit down.
BIG MISTAKE!
How are the women in Iran taking this?
I know the women in this country would be incredibly pissed off.
This will turn on the leaders of Iran.
It's not smart to piss off the women. In any country.
Even if their husbands are Conservatives, the women will make their presence and opinion known.
This young lady could possibly be the one who changes Iran.
And in doing so changes the world.
Rest in Peace Neda.
...what the killer(s) was thinking, I believe your claim, to have great merit. I perceive your claim to be very personal and sincere. I, like yourself, can only hope, your diagnosis and prescription will bring justice.
On a side note... I could never understand the term "cold blooded killer", until recently, I've learned that the term is rhetorical, Then it made sense. It reminded me of a comment, one of my friends stated the other day...
Snip - "Human beings have a dual nature, our human and our animal natures"
See:Fri, 06/19/2009 - 05:54 — Paul
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Thank you for your time and insight, ♥
..most people do become desensitized over time to violent images in both movies and in our daily newscasts.
Perhaps it was for the best that we all needed to wait a long while before the first images (and much later, the film) of JFK's assassination were broadcast. It packed a much harder punch than if it was so easily googled or viewed on youtube a mere moments later.
Personally though, images like this will always disgust and enrage me to my very soul, but I'm a child of the sixties..
If you can watch and not act, you may as well have been the triggerman.
Helping them liberate themselves?
when the United States murdered hundreds of thousands in a country on the other side of the world who had never been any kind of threat to the US?
I wrote my congresscritters.
I marched and I blogged and I made phone calls and I sent money to lefty anti war organizations and finally after I saw that none of it was going to make a damn bit of difference I found a country that had policies that I could live with and a social system that I would be proud of paying taxes too and I moved.
But this is not about our country and what it did and is doing, this is about Iran.
Are you planning on heading over and helping out?
Do you think the US should jump up and help out?
Do you even know for sure what the right side of this fight is or are you just going by what the western media is telling you?
And what makes you think it's your fight anyway?
I would not discount, anyone with opposing ideologies. :-/
your aggressive behavior doesn't create an iota of dialogue and make people want to listen to you. calm down and quit being so snotty.
Just so anyone knows. If that was my daughter, I too would have died that day killing the man who shot her, all of his friends and everyone who had anything to do with this.
This is how I feel after watching this video.
This is how I feel when I watch American bombs killing and maiming, this is how I feel when I watch kids raped and killed in Abu Griab, this is what I feel when I watch Gaza attacked and raped over and over again.
This is how I feel.
It leaves me a seething ball of rage.
YOU... leave yourself, "a seething ball of rage".
As a nurse, I've seen many people die. But never like this.
For better or worse, young Neda is becoming a symbol of the upheaval happening in Iraq right now. As graphic as it is, and as sensationalistic as it might seem to some people, what's happening there cannot be sugar-coated or censored. The peoples' suffering must be acknowledged.
May Neda RIP, and may her father and the rest of her family find some kind of comfort after losing her in such a horrific and senseless way.
..and in total agreement, regrettably.
not Iraq. Not that it lacks its share of problems...
..not iraq, but that was a most forgivable typo, imo.
Excuse the typo. I swear, it was so hard trying to comment on this story I'm surprised it was the only typo I made.
given this country's piss-poor grasp on geography and international politics, I felt somewhat compelled to note it. I'm sure most people here did understand your intent.
No offense taken, believe me.
And I share your dismay at the ho-hum attitude and ignorance of so many people in this country nowadays. I have posted this link at both my Facebook and MySpace pages, and I won't be surprised if people either squawk at me for posting or just won't bother to look at it all.
Maybe I'm just a cynic. I hope I'm wrong.
inadvertently eavesdropping on a few people while waiting for breakfast this morning, I overheard the group talk about how Nepal was a country located between Turkey and China.
partial credit not given
I'm with you too, while I respect the idea that we need to use some restraint given that others may be taken back by the graphic photo, it is also not right to softpedal or dilute this ugly and appalling act of butchery and violence. Let everyone see this heinous act by authoritarian cowards for what it truly is.
And what the heck is a Basij?
Nm, I looked it up on Wiki. If its a Militia how do we know who even ordered this?
Governments kill - people die.
Hopefully these images will inspire some sort of change for the better, and this young woman will not have died in vain.
Kill... People
Evident by my initial response and my odd admiration for the "underdog", I to believe a declarative device should have preceded the image at issue.
Though true, in its nature, I believe we owe it to one another, young and old, to decide when the time is right, to digest the issue(s), and to offer the choice, when the time shall be appropriate for same.
It is often quite true, that people often find themselves unable to handle the truth and I believe it should be furnished accordingly.
On a similar note... I recall President Obama's words, "I like to know what I'm talking about... before I speak"!
♥ - [ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDRpcC4Vfzw ]
putting the photo of poor Neda behind the cut, and for posting this info period.
I appreciate that because I got here a little later, and that I as someone with PTSD was given the option of only taking in as much as I can handle once I was ready to handle it.
When I am at a blog or such that may occasionally need to write about disturbing happenings in the world and may have to post photos of it, I feel like I would be impolite of me to ask for trigger warnings on such posts if observing the issue of triggers is not part of the blog's policy, so I am always grateful when such a blog ends up having trigger warnings without being asked. :)
I do believe that we need to know what is really going on over there, and what is going on in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. and so I appreciate that C & L has been blogging this, and that they posted the photo and video, as horrible as they are.
So indeed, thanks for the consideration.
God that is horrible. Got a quick glance at the photo... I hope that Neda hasn't died in vain. She did a brave thing, being out there with the others and advocating for her country. May she rest in peace...
... if blog-readers are so timid that a PICTURE of this woman "upsets" them.
This, folks, is the heart of the problem. You see the pictures and it upsets you? These pictures SHOULD upset you! But rather than whine, "Oh no! I'm upset," get MAD. DO SOMETHING! I have never been so ashamed of America as I am these days. In Iran, in South America, in France, if the govt. is working against its citizens, the citizens take to the streets until the govt. listens to them. Oh, but not in America. Oh no.
Remember the protests after Bush stole the election in 2000? Not televised. And now the word is out that protests don't work. Who said this? Why do Americans listen?
Americans are fat, lazy, and child-like. When REAL health care reform is shoved under the table, I say OF COURSE it is. No one wants to FIGHT for it. Yes, a few blogs will fight, but the American people as a whole? No, they just keep voting in the same crooks who do it over and over to them. And then they whine some more. You deserve what you get. Anything worth changing is worth a LOT of work. And Americans just want to sit back and whine.
SHAME.
What is it that we can do about this particular topic?
And what have you done recently? Like in the last 8.5 years?
Until you can back up your rant. I guess you could say you are whining.
So some people are so appalled by this scenario that they find it to disturbing to view. All that blood filling her eye, running out of her nose, and her mouth because her lungs filled up with blood.
Or what about what you can't see. Like the hole the size of a tennis ball in her back from the exit wound. Is this enough for you?
Or how about the misery her father is going through?
Why don't we just put that up on the big screen tv in your house so you can view it in surround sound.
You know, your rant is just so much bullshit. You want to insult and blame people for your own short comings.
No, you'd rather bitch and rant.
Hey, why don't you go to Iran and tell this to her father. asshat.
What have you done about any of this?
What have you done about all the nut case republicans killing people here?
Oh, that's right. rant.
Or is it football? :P
Badminton.:)
Flip the birdie ;)
Another comedian.:)
Before you compare [Iran] and the [USA], I'd suggest that you consider the ideologies and laws of the aformentioned...
...In an attempt to confirm your conclusion as fact, using a reconciling approach. Thank you for your time, though your frustration is nonetheless, meritorious to itself and shared by me and I'll assume others as well. ♥
Re;"Remember the protests after Bush stole the election in 2000? Not televised. And now the word is out that protests don't work. Who said this? Why do Americans listen? Surely you've considered, our Constitution?
who said the quote?
Though I noticed I missed a mark and was just about 2 edit. ;)
Amended: Does that answer your question? :) I have a habit of missing quotation marks, you know that! ♥
I'm drawing a blank.
Was it not you that brought to my attention that a poster had used "" regarding a Palin post? As far as this issue goes I was just about to edit my comment, when you replied.
Should have been...
"Remember the protests after Bush stole the election in 2000? Not televised. And now the word is out that protests don't work. Who said this? Why do Americans listen?"
I forgot the last mark. :-/ Thanks for looking out for me though. ♥
Amended: I could of sworn, I said... Thank you Muddy for bring that to my attention, then hoping you took no offense to the name. I believe the poster was evet, if I recall correctly?
I don't remember.
Though it was about 3-4 months back.
I too am a child of the 60's
I remember the results of all of the protests.
I remember all the violence. And all the buildings and cars burning. That I remember well.
I was listing the wrong person. :-/
Hows this?
http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/miche...
I wish we saw pictures and videos of real people that the US has killed and is killing in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan. That would help humanize them. I bet the US "troops" killed several people just like this woman today. If the US public saw images of them like they have of the Iranians, they might be more opposed to US actions in the Middle East than they are. Or maybe not; Americans have become pretty awful since Reagan dragged the tenor of the country into the gutter almost 30 years ago.
Thank you for the update to the post, and for the new above the cut photo as well...
John Amato, and "scarce"
I have to say that I could not bring myself to watch the videos of this woman's death. I saw a good friend horribly wounded while I was in Vietnam, so it's not out of fear of seeing blood, he was in the military, like me, and we got paid to risk our lives.
I just couldn't bear to seen a young woman cut down before her life began. She did nothing to deserve this. I pray for her family, in my Christian way and hope that my prayers can be heard by her diety, too.
Thank you for showing us the human side of what death and destruction looks like. Every idiot that cries out for "death to Iran" should see this and be ashamed.
I was moved by the tragedy and what it symbolised to write a song dedicated to her. See it on youtube: "One Lost Vote"
Ishnum Munshi
As much as I abhore the violence being perpetrated against the people, if the Iranian people were armed, they'd kill the vermin perpetrating these crimes and the jerks at the top would be gone too. The violence we are witnessing by all these govt's is the purpose for the 2nd amendment.
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