Bernard Goldberg Admits Jon Stewart is Right About His Generalizations and Then Attacks Him
I said last week that Bernard Goldberg wasn't going to be happy after Jon Stewart ended his segment Fox News Pundits Don't Agree With Demonizing an Entire Group Unless it's the Liberals by telling Bernard Goldberg to go f**k himself. Well, here you go folks. Goldberg admits he was wrong and then attacks both Jon Stewart and his "incredibly unsophisticated audience", says Stewart needs to be going after black columnists "by name" who dare to write about racism, Bill Maher for his criticism of religious people and here's what he says about Frank Rich.
Goldberg: Because even though you criticize liberals as well as conservatives, congratulations on that, when you have Frank Rich on his show who generalizes all the time about conservatives and Republicans being bigots, you didn't ask him a single tough question. You gave him a lap dance. You practically had your tongue down his throat.
Nice...lol. Bernie's probably just going to get himself another go f**k yourself for this number from Stewart.
O'Reilly: So does Stewart have a point here? Are we being hypocritical by generalizing about some people?
Goldberg: I'll just speak about me. He does. I am pleading guilty and that's a sincere plea of guilty. I said that liberals think people who live in the middle of the country are a bunch of jerks and obviously all liberals don't think that. But I'll tell you what, an awful lot of liberal elites think that. I worked with these liberal elites for 28 years at CBS News and they were always throwing around the term "white trash, by which they meant poor southerners who didn't go to Harvard.
I'm not sure why that makes them trash. As far as the middle of the country is concerned, you know, this was fly-over country where people flew the flag on the Fourth of July and went bowling and ate at Red Lobster. You know, they're a bunch of hicks. But even all liberal elites don't think that, so I am saying I was wrong, Jon Stewart is right.
But let me speak directly to Jon Stewart for just a few seconds and I know he watches. He's a big fan of the show and Jon if you have an ounce of introspection, you may want to take this seriously, if you just want to be a funny man who talks to an audience that will laugh at anything you say, that's okay with me. No problem.
But if clearly you want to be a social commentator, more than just a comedian and if you want to be a good one you'd better find some guts. Because even though you criticize liberals as well as conservatives, congratulations on that, when you have Frank Rich on his show who generalizes all the time about conservatives and Republicans being bigots, you didn't ask him a single tough question. You gave him a lap dance. You practically had your tongue down his throat.
And how about those black columnists who played the race card and generalized about tea party people being racists? Why don't you go after them by name and do it with the same passion and gusto that you use when you're going after Fox people?
And how about Bill Maher. Bill Maher generalizes about people who go to church being a bunch of dopes. Is there some rule that says a comic can't go after another comic. Here's my final word Jon.
You can do whatever you want but if you don't do that, guess what? You're not as edgy as you think you are. You're just a safe Jay Leno with a much smaller audience, but you get to say the f-bomb, which gives your incredibly unsophisticated audience the illusion...
O'Reilly: You're generalizing?
Goldberg: ...the illusion that you're courageous and that you're a renegade but it's only an illusion.
Here's the segment that Goldberg was responding to in its entirety. The second half if the good part.
Anti-intellectualism is alive and well--and vomited daily by Faux and friends.
Yes, because obviously people who like comedy are unsophisticated. Really not surprised this guy misses the subtle social and political commentary that Jon gets across THROUGH the humor.
Bernie Goldberg you totally missed the point. We all use some sort of generalizations at some point in our debates but YOU chose to point it out. What you're guilty of is HYPOCRISY, arguing against or for generalizing whenever its for or against your argument. Jon Stewart was calling you out for YOUR HYPOCRISY and you totally missed it.
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Anyone who follows my posts on economics know I don't share liberal economic views. I can't stand the Tea Party, I think they are a breeding ground for extremists!
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
Tea for two and two for tea.
Baggers all.
"Let's talk dirty to the animals"
what an ass. the GOP are the ones targetting the white trash in their powerpoints. but ok, bernie.
see ya at red lobster, mr. populist.
..bowling and I used to like beer but can't anymore. The only white trash I know is on faux and it looks like bernard goldberg.
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I didn't watch the clip, but . .
As usual, Bildo conveniently omitted the skanky Goldberg clip that prompted Jon Stewart to comment 'Go [cough] fcuk yourself' . .
I think it went something like: democrats don't have special needs babies
I guess Goldberg never heard about the Kennedy/Shriver families endless involvement with the Special Olympics . .
[sigh and eyeball roll]
Precisely why I think Stewart's response to all the nonsense from Goldberg and other right wingers was spot on.
"Go fuck yourselves."
They really are not deserving of anyone's respect.
"... On a completely unrelated topic, everyone that watches The Daily Show is unsophisticated."
"I could give a flying crap about the political process.... We're an entertainment company."
- Glenn Beck - Forbes interview; April 26, 2010
If I think people are unsophisticated...that makes me unsophisticated. And if Bernie thinks I'm unsophisticated, does that make him unsophisticated?
I'm thinking yes.
And he is the standard for 'sophistication'?
Sophistication is NOT putting your foot in your mouth when trying slam someone else....
Try it some time Berny.
He says: "obviously all liberals don't think that."
If I read his mind correctly, what he meant was "obviously NOT ALL liberals think that."
"ALL liberals don't think that" means NO liberals think that.
Piss-poor use of language means piss-poor thinking skills.
He was babbling . .
And I never heard Bill Maher call churchgoers 'dopes' . .
I listen to Maher all the time and he never said it ..
And who are these liberal elites??? Who? Who?
anyone who is educated beyond 6Th grade
...white trash, you know, who didn't go to Harvard, and:
I'm a Southerner about to get my second Master's from the former East Texas State, and I can't afford to eat at Red Lobster's! So exactly who is he talking about?
"Courtesy is owed. Respect is earned. Love is given." --Unknown author, found in Guide to Texas Etiquette by Kinky Friedman
I'm in flyover country, and a pretty damned conservative bit of it, and while we have a Red Lobster or two in the area, and a few bowling alleys, too, we also built a new art museum in the last few years, and we've got places that play independent films, and Audis and Lexuses.....I don't think that Bernie would know he'd left the bi-coastal environs of the elites were he to suddenly find himself here.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
... anyone smarter than a half-term governor.
I saw this nonsense last night and immediately sent O'Reilly an email:
"Bill,
I applaud Bernie Goldberg for admitting he is guilty as charged by Jon Stewart.
But, Goldberg's attack on Jon Stewart was crap. Goldberg was quite defensive.
And just what is a liberal "elite????"
It is not a fact that 100% of the attacks on the Tea Party come from the left. I've seen negative comments from conservatives about some of the things the Tea Party says. Nor is it true that all of the left believes that all of the Tea
Party are racists. I myself have sent you emails saying that "no," not all of them are racists, but I believe a sizeable minority of them are.
Bernie Goldberg seems to take a swipe at Jon Stewart when he says that Stewart has a small audience. Maybe Jon Stewart likes it that way. You know, Bernie Goldberg also must have a quite small audience.
Further, Goldberg also takes a swipe at Bill Maher. At least Bill Maher has conservatives on his show to discuss issues from time to time.
Boy, you and Goldberg certainly are on a rampage tonight against comedians.....Jon Stewart, Bill Maher, Steven Colbert.....Jesus, Bill. You
bash these comedians, but you defend hate mongers like beck and limbaugh. What's this world coming to?
I'd much rather watch Jon Stewart than Bernie Goldberg. Frankly, I'd much rather, by far, have someone like Jon Stewart as a friend than someone like Mr. Goldberg, who is a grump."
Um Bernard....I believe it is Jon's audience who were factually shown as the most informed and knowledgeable news viewers while the FAUX viewers were only a step up from variety show Good Morning America.....
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But of course Bernie Goldberg and Bill O'Reily never, ever tongue each other when they go generalizing...
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Mr. Goldberg has it all wrong. I live in the South and didn't go to an Ivy League school, but when I hear the term "white trash," I think of lying right winger trash like Mr. Goldberg.
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Actually "white-trash" is generally more of a term used by Southeners who put on airs against pickaninnies.
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In Calyforna we call'em trailer trash. Nothin Southern bout it.
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...are the grandchildren of the Okies and other Dust Bowl refugees... it's a step up to live in a trailer.
"Courtesy is owed. Respect is earned. Love is given." --Unknown author, found in Guide to Texas Etiquette by Kinky Friedman
They're not FEMA are they?
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I suspect I've been called both. Advanced degrees - check. Ivy League school - nope. Have lived in trailer (both before and after the degrees) - check.
My trailer was neater than Mr. Goldberg's mind though. As we'd say, that boy is a mess, and he makes me ill.
I wonder, why wasn't Bernie Goldberg charged with being an accomplice to murder in Knoxville?
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... I've worked for a CBS O&O for 24 years, and I've *never* heard anyone in the newsroom call middle Americans 'white trash.'
...but you also probably aren't harboring some kind of long-standing grudge of CBS for firing your ass, like Goldberg has had for quite a while. I guess Bill forgot to ask that follow-up, must have slipped his mind.
Wish I had some real dirt on Bernie to share, but the general impression was that it was all sour grapes for having to play second banana to Dan Rather.
he's a legend in his own mind.
I wonder if Bernie Goldberg ever said anything to those fellow colleagues who used that term "white trash?" I have called out people I have worked with who have used the "n" word. In fact, those two people I have called out are Republicans. One of them is not only a hard right repug; he is also a die hard Catholic. When I asked him if he is so "Catholic," then why does he use the "n" word, he couldn't or wouldn't answer me.
If Bernie did not call these work colleagues out, he was complicit in their "racism."
"I said that liberals think people who live in the middle of the country are a bunch of jerks and obviously all liberals don't think that. But I'll tell you what, an awful lot of liberal elites think that. I worked with these liberal elites for 28 years at CBS News and they were always throwing around the term "white trash, by which they meant poor southerners who didn't go to Harvard.""
Outside of NY and LA, are people who live in the "middle" of the country differentiable from poor, white southerners? I would think so.
Of course, either way, I plan to vote for politicians who will bring the country into the 21 century, not for politicians who pretend to "like" me.
Get into a battle of wits with Jon Stewart only at your own peril. He's in a league of his own.
Takedown!!
If Tucker Carlson possessed just one half of Golberg's presence of mind; or if Lynne Cheney wasn't constrained by her gracious good manners; or if Jim Cramer (pause... OK, forget Cramer, but you see where I'm going here)-- the airwaves might have been cleansed of that east coast elitist, Harvard educated "funny man" years ago.
Thank God for Stephen Colbert. Now there's a truth teller.
Funny. What’s even funnier is that some repubs and conservatives don’t even know Colbert is mocking them. They think he's one of them. No sense of humor at all. Humor takes a little intelligence.
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I guess they forgot the words...
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guest? He thought Colbert was serious. It's true.
Next thing you know they'll be arguing over the number of times Obama played golf while president vs how many times George Bush played golf. In his eight years of pretending to be president, George Bush played golf 24 times. Barry has played 32 rounds since taking office.
That's actually a lot of golf. Means there were only about twenty weeks where he didn't play golf. Busy man that president.
Goldberg, you choad.
didn't stewart fuck goldberg's world? didn't stewart chew him up and spit him out? i seem to recall this flake, goldberg, being trounced, abused, humiliated and mocked when he was on TDS
i guess this is goldberg's way of 'getting even'....
in the midwest, in the east, the south, the west.
i bet it is even used in the fox office.
nothing liberal elite about it except that it is used liberally by people who feel they are on a higher rung of the american caste system, even while shopping at target.
i can't stand the term.
Us Wal-Mart shoppers think you Target shoppers is all elitists for shopping at that big-fancy store!
r.v. parking?
Nope - it's because they don't have a eye doctor, a hair-cuttin' place, a indoor Mac-Donal's, and one o' them accountant-thingys in the store.
Must be a fascist-communist store!
Just has a Pizza Hut and a Starbucks...
Wait a second... you're on to something.
"When are we going to stop trying to tell elected officials what to do. Our job is to spend the taxpayers' money the best way we can." -- Tommy Watkins, Justice of the Peace, Crawford County, Arkansas
You elitist shoppy people! My flea-market doesn’t have an eye-doctor, a Mickey D’s or a taxy thangy. It has corn-dogs, pickled pigs feet, and bargains by the bin (which is how to buy them). I can park my RV thar overnite on Friday to get me some good stuff early Saterday morn’n.
Walmart is so upidy.
..uppity day..
my o my what wonnerful day!
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
i was at a big lots, and i saw a woman reading the label on a jar of pickled pig's feet. the next thing i know, she is opening the jar, grabbing a foot, returns the jar to the shelf, and starts chewing away. minutes later, i bump into her again in a different aisle, this time, she is now carrying the opened jar around the store with her and pulling feet snacks as she shops. i could have sworn she was also muttering "brains, brains" but i was busy backing away and bumping into stacked cans to really hear her. but lookey here, the point is this, you can't do this at target or wal mart--they are elitist. big lots is where true freedom lies.
LOL - "brains, brains"
That woman is at my flea-market too. I never got close enough to hear what she was mumbling though.
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He seems to do reasonably good bits on Gumbel's show....then he turns around and writes crackpot books and offers smarmy, moronic analysis for Fox. For this, he should be rewarded with a prime HBO gig? There are lots of good reporters out there - perhaps HBO can find one who doesn't make a living stereotyping liberals in the most asinine fashion possible.
complaining about generalizations while perpetuating and generating their own, then having the audacity to claim the upper hand.
... claim that his viewpoint is the truth, objective and unvarnished, so there can be no bias.
of generalization to prove that he does not generalize:
"ALL of the racial attacks on the tea party come from the left or the far left. 100% of them."
BWAHAHAHAHA!!! 100% of them. The very definition of generalization HAHAHA!
Bernie, Go F**k yourself
Years of non-stop lying will eventually do that to you.
I just don't like stoopid conservatives. :)
"When are we going to stop trying to tell elected officials what to do. Our job is to spend the taxpayers' money the best way we can." -- Tommy Watkins, Justice of the Peace, Crawford County, Arkansas
"..stoopid conservatives"
You're also being redundant.
I knew some old-school conservatives that would shit a brick if they had to deal with this bunch.
This isn't your grandpa's conservative movement.
"When are we going to stop trying to tell elected officials what to do. Our job is to spend the taxpayers' money the best way we can." -- Tommy Watkins, Justice of the Peace, Crawford County, Arkansas
Its not that pundits generalize. That's kind of what they do.
The problem is how they say 'Notice how all liberals generalize?'...uh, whaaa?
It's not the hate, it's the hypocrisy.
"I worked with these liberal elites for 28 years at CBS News and they were always throwing around the term "white trash, by which they meant poor southerners who didn't go to Harvard."
How many times have you told this story Bernie you disingenuous sanctimonious phony?Why don't you buy a single wide and go live in a trailer park among "your people"?You couldn't care less about "poor Southerners".You simply recognize a large republican voting block when you see one.Republicans have fucked these "poor Southerners" over so many times it's pathetic.You have them voting directly against their own best interests now don't you Bernie you schmuck?
Anyway your rant against Stewart has absolutely nothing to do with anything other than your own ugly,sweaty ego.What?Did Jon hurt his wittle feewings?Aw..poor suckums...better go hire a hooker with a barely discernible poor southern accent.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
Unlike Bill O'Reilly, when confronted with video evidence of his hypocracy Bernard Goldberg at least is man enough to admit he's busted. But then he lashes out at the person who exposed him in a childish temper tantrum.
John Stewart just owned Goldberg's ass!
It'll be all over the internet tomorrow. Watch it!
This BS artist just said he can generalize about liberals and it's OK because "there are enough of them that think that way."
OOOOH! Stewart is getting them right now! And it's great.
When angry, count four, when very angry, swear.
-Mark Twain-
He got their number, he really got them good this time :D
When angry, count four, when very angry, swear.
-Mark Twain-
Im so glad Stewart got them for that. Faux news had no problem generalizing acorn with false video tapes but some 1 hits them with truth and they get mad. If fox wants to criticize john for being slanted why dont they criticize Rush Limbaugh. Rush says whatever he wants , but you cant hold him accountable bcuz he hides behind the entertainment label.
so much thin skin shown....
as on the Factor?
... that the bozo mostly kept his mouth shut, knowing full well that he is no match for Jon Stewart away from the confines of the Factory?
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