The Rachel Maddow Show Attempts to Get Some Responses on the Ugandan 'Kill the Gays' Bill
Rachel follows up on her reporting on the 'kill the gays' bill being considered in Uganda. Her show attempted to get some responses from the American legislators who have decided to inject themselves so deeply into African politics - with predictable results. Most of them either tried to wash their hands of their part in this absolutely horrid piece of proposed legislation or didn’t bother to respond at all. The scandal ridden John Ensign’s office said he was too busy screwing up the health care bill to give a response.
James Inhofe and Sam Brownback didn’t bother to respond, either. Don’t hold your breath waiting on those two knuckle-draggers, Rachel. I’m sure it will be a cold day in hell before either of them bother to tell the evil “librul” lesbian woman why they could care less if you were killed if you were unfortunate enough to live in Uganda, assuming this law gets passed.
Props to Rachel for keeping after this story. It has to be one of the most disgusting news items I’ve watched in a very long time and these C-Street wingers need to be held to account for their actions. It’s a shame the rest of the media is not giving this story the attention it deserves. They’re too busy chasing around the White House party crashers or Tiger Woods’ mistresses.
Transcript via Nexis Lexis below the fold.
GEORGE W. BUSH, THEN-U.S. PRESIDENT: Today on the continent of Africa, nearly 30 million people have the AIDS virus -- including 3 million children under the age of 15. Ladies and gentlemen, seldom has history offered a greater opportunity to do so much for so many.
Tonight, I propose the emergency plan for AIDS relief -- a work of mercy beyond all current international efforts to help the people of Africa.
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MADDOW: A legitimately moving moment in President Bush`s State of the Union address back in the year 2003. When all was said and done after two terms of the Bush administration, American help fighting HIV and AIDS in Africa was one marquee issue of compassionate conservatism that Mr. Bush could brag about in trying to shape his legacy for historians and he did come back and talk about the issue at the end of his presidency to remind people about that.
The issue of AIDS in Africa indeed became one of the hallmark causes for a lot of different conservatives who wanted to keep the compassionate conservatism idea alive, conservatives like Kansas Senator Sam Brownback.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
SEN. SAM BROWNBACK (R), KANSAS: It`s amazing how grateful people are for -- if you save -- help save their lives. The approval ratings of the United States in Africa, the highest continent in the world.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
MADDOW: But it`s not just that these conservative religious politicians have a generic continent-wide engagement on the issue of AIDS in Africa. The involvement that these politicians have had has largely been focused on one specific country, Uganda. When President Bush came into office, Uganda was one of the success stories in Africa when it came to fighting AIDS.
Their success was built around a strategy called ABC. ABC stood for "abstinence," "be faithful" and "condoms." In other words, first abstain from sex, otherwise be monogamous, otherwise use condoms. And condom billboards, condom promotion was evident all over the nation of Uganda.
This effort to combat HIV and AIDS through that comprehensive strategy worked pretty well. Infection rates in Uganda dropped from about 15 percent to 5 percent from 1991 to 2001.
But then President Bush`s big high-profile push to help fight AIDS in Africa ended up coming with a big catch. American conservatives wanted the focus to be on abstinence, not on condoms.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
BROWNBACK: It`s abstinence-focused. If you want to stop the spread, the key best way to do it is abstinence.
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MADDOW: When Congress finally passed the big AIDS legislation that President Bush wanted, Republican Congressman Joe Pitts slipped in an amendment that said 33 percent of the funding -- 33 percent -- could only be used for abstinence programs. Fully, a third of that money earmarked only for abstinence, even as American research consistently demonstrated that abstinence programs just don`t work.
As religious conservatives were pushing abstinence on places like Uganda from Washington, internationally-minded, politically-connected America conservative evangelical began focusing on Uganda as well. Evangelicals like American Pastor Rick Warren and his Saddleback Church; evangelicals like the Family which we`ve talked about on this program with Jeff Sharlet.
The Family, of course, is the secretive religious organization that runs the C Street dormitory for lawmakers in Washington. It`s led by a man named Doug Coe.
Republican Senator James Inhofe of Oklahoma credits Doug Coe for launching his own activism in Africa.
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SEN. JAMES INHOFE (R), OKLAHOMA: Doug has always been kind of the unseen and very quiet. He talked me into going to Africa. I had no interest in going to Africa.
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MADDOW: Religious conservatives saw Uganda specifically as a place that they could have some real influence. Uganda`s first lady became an emphatically born again Christian. Her husband, the president, is believed to have serious ties to the Family. Same goes for the ethics minister of Uganda, as well as a number of legislators there.
One of Uganda`s most prominent pastors began speaking at Rick Warren`s mega-church in California. He became so close with Rick Warren that Rick Warren`s wife reportedly called him her brother.
And while Americans were courting that Ugandan pastor here touting their own compassionate conservatism on the issue of AIDS in Africa, back in Uganda, that pastor was taking up the anti-condom cause, holding public bonfires of condoms, conducting some of the most extreme anti-gay preaching and activism anywhere in the world.
Evangelicals and conservative politicians in this country saw Uganda as a place that they could leave their mark. Senator Sam Brownback traveled there to look into the AIDS issue in 2005. Senator James Inhofe made at least 20 trips to Africa just since 1999, mostly to Uganda as well as Ethiopia.
In March of this year, a group of three American evangelicals traveled to Uganda for a conference on the evils of homosexuality. Their message was that homosexuality is a choice, that it can be cured by a relationship with Jesus, that, in short, you can pray the gay away.
There`s been a dual effort under way here: anti-gay proselytizing by American evangelicals and assurances from conservative American politicians that we can solve that nation`s AIDS problem.
The culmination of these efforts -- this massive focus on Uganda -- is a piece of legislation that`s been introduced in that country now that attempts, it says, to tackle the AIDS problem in that country and the problem of homosexuality all at once. It`s a bill that calls for the execution of any gay Ugandan who is HIV positive, who is caught having gay sex -- death by hanging specifically. And it`s not just gay Ugandans who are HIV positive who are being targeted, the sentence just for being gay is life imprisonment.
The sentence for knowing somebody who is gay and not reporting them to authorities, presumably so they can be prosecuted, is three years in prison. This bill was written by a Ugandan legislator purportedly taken in by Republican Senator James Inhofe and the Family here in America.
Having lit this fuse and created this environment in Uganda where a bill like this can exist, some American evangelicals and conservative politicians are now sort of washing their hands of the whole situation.
Pastor Rick Warren is saying, quote, "It`s not my personal calling as a pastor in America to comment or interfere in the political process of other nations."
The evangelical leaders who went there in March are now saying their intent was not at all to inspire this type of legislation.
But what about all of the conservative politicians in this country who have shown themselves to have such influence in Uganda and who have decided to concern themselves so publicly with this one specific country in Africa?
Now that there`s a bill in that country that calls for the execution of people who are gay in that country for the simple fact of being gay, those politicians maybe should say what they think about it.
Family-linked Senator Tom Coburn`s office is telling us today that the senator does not support the legislation. When we asked his office whether he would communicate that to officials in Uganda where it might matter, the senator had no comment.
Family-linked Congressman Bart Stupak`s office telling us, quote, "Any claim that I support the legislation before the Ugandan parliament is as clueless as it is false." Mr. Stupak`s office adding that he believes the State Department is looking into it.
Indeed, the State Department telling us exclusively today that they are looking into the matter saying, quote, "If adopted, a bill further criminalizing homosexuality would constitute a significant step backwards for the protection of human rights in Uganda." The State Department tells us that they are in the process of raising this issue with Ugandan authorities.
Now, the office of Congressman Joe Pitts, who slipped in that pro- abstinence language telling us today -- who slipped in that pro-abstinence language in the Bush AIDS bill, he told us today, quote, "What the Ugandan legislation proposes to do is unambiguously wrong and I hope they will not proceed with it."
These statements, of course, encouraging. Some other senators remain silent on the issue as yet. Senator John Ensign`s office, for example, told us today they could not get an answer from him on this issue because he`s been so focused on health care.
We made repeated calls to the offices of Senator James Inhofe and Senator Sam Brownback. We have yet to hear back from either of them on this issue -- despite the fact they`ve been so proudly outspoken on issues affecting Uganda and, specifically, sexuality in Uganda in the past.
Conservative politicians and evangelicals in this country have made a really big push into Africa in recent years and they`ve even been very delighted to get some political acclaim as compassionate conservatives for having done so.
When a human rights disaster like this is born in that country that they`ve taken so much pride in showing off their influence in, in a country they have been intimately involved in, it could be argued that it is incumbent upon those politicians to at least say what they think about that legislation, if not take action in that country in which they have such influence. We`ll keep you posted on what we hear from them, their future actions or lack thereof.





Heather, I apologize for hijacking this thread but really thought you'd want to see this video of RAWA (Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan) and their views on the Afghan war. It's incredibly informative and insightful.
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Hopefully humanity will one day learn to be humane.
Because they want to see international reaction and how well it works. How many times have (what used to be) fringe right wingers called for laws like that here? This is Bible-based law.
But what's with the concentration on Republicans? C Street is quite bi-partisan - just ask our Secretary of State, Rep. Stupak, and other prominent Dems.
I know this to be true, of course, because I heard it from you.
Rachel Maddow: "The Family" & 'C Street' Democrats Undermine Health Care
Corruption favors the wealthy.
James Inhofe...living proof that Michelle Bachmann's constituents are ignorant enough to put her back in office too.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
By design, methinks; by design.
I'm just superstitious enough to hedge my bets.
"Well, it's not HERE, is it?"
Sweden is threatening to withhold foreign aid to Uganda if they perpetrate this injustice. The US should follow suit. The Christianist Holier-Than-Thou Republiscum like Inhofe and Brownback need to be shown for the homophobic bigots they are, and our government needs to punish nations that engage in these types of crimes against humanity. We gave $187 million in foreign aid to Uganda in 2007, and are pledged to more than $200 this year. That money needs to be withheld, and the International monetary fund needs to withhold credit to Uganda if it continues in this behavior.
Candideinnc
and I agree wholeheartedly with you. This is frickin' outrageous!
and another thing... C-Street wingers is renamed C-Street (s)wingers in my book.
Did Dick Cheney or Sarah Palin admit Obama was right or they were wrong about something this morning?
It is snowing like an SOB here in Houston this morning. Hell has frozen over.
* There are two types of Republicans: millionaires and suckers.
"Mugsy's Rap Sheet": Recording history for those who seek to rewrite it.
But I heard Houston might elect a gay mayor tomorrow, and it's not hurricane season yet.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
Yes, you are right.
She has been pushing hard in the runoff and her opponent is getting slammed with lots of bad press, so it is almost certain we will be electing... not only the second woman... but the first openly gay mayor in Houston's history.
Definitely a "snowing-in-hell" moment. (and on-topic too!) :)
* There are two types of Republicans: millionaires and suckers.
"Mugsy's Rap Sheet": Recording history for those who seek to rewrite it.
Houston, who'd've thunk it.
Maybe there is hope....
Corruption favors the wealthy.
"'Kill the Gays' Bill"
I think a better case can be made to kill the haters and homophobes.
They just make life more difficult for everybody.
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
that the Romans did not have enough lions.
A scoop! . . LOL
... non-clumping litter, then.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iJDtAqHO-s
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
When he ran for the House, Brownback was a Methodist, simple and proper. When he ran for the Senate, he was an evangelical, filled with Holy Ghost power. Now he's a Catholic, baptized not in a church but in the "Catholic Information Center," a chapel tucked in between lobbyists' offices on K Street in Washington, run by Opus Dei, a secretive lay order founded by a saint who saw in Generalissimo Franco, the late dictator of Spain, an ideal of worldly power.
Brownback prefers Mother Teresa. He studies Torah with an orthodox rabbi. “Deep," says the rabbi. His daughter once told him that different churches have different aromas, and that there is a scent for everyone. Brownback wants to huff them all. "I am a seeker," he told me, an understatement of grand proportion. Brownback's faith is complicated, like American fundamentalism in the twenty-first century.
The movement's two great strands--the populist, pulpit-pounding tradition of its masses and the mannered evasions of its elite—are coming together, intertwining to become the mutant DNA of men such as Sam Brownback, the next generation of spiritual warriors. --Jeff Sharlet
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Study the symptoms not the virus...
when god hates the same people you do.
True that.
and concise! well done!!!
snooping around maybe black ops-special forces will start picking off a few of these dictators over there soon so we can invade.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34270487/ns/us_ne...
LOL
This was inevitable.
"A new online project seeks to purge liberal views from the scriptures"
Rachel from msnbc in that case.
I wonder what the conservative translation of "turning the other cheek" will be that will allow the Bush doctrine to be a sacred gesture?
In Hel and Jotunheim, it's already frozen over.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
the "pearl of Africa." I visited Uganda in 1993 and was struck by the beauty certainly of the physical landscape, but more so by the beauty and seeming generosity of spirit of its people. I had thought I would return someday, but now there is no way I'd do that, especially because I'm a lesbian who is appalled by this turn of events. I doubt Ugandans will lose any sleep over me not spending money in their country. After all, they can simply turn to all the U.S. evangelicals so turned on by Uganda's great step backward for money. They're all idiots.
When I first saw this on Rachel Maddow last night, I immediately thought why Uganda? Why was the so-called Christian Right faction expressing such an interest?
OIL - Uganda is on course to become one of the top 50 oil producers in the world. But will the proceeds change the lives of the country's poorest? History says no and there is no reason to think Uganda will be any different. http://www.guardian.co.uk/katine/2009/dec/02/...
Where the so-called Christian Right is trying to factor in to help secure alliances by tricking the people of Uganda into shady deals that most certainly will be full of broken promises and lies.
They are up to no good. I read about a piece Michelle Goldberg wrote about Teabaggers returning the Christian Right to its racist past.
Examine:
The Christian right was always rooted in an older style of reactionary politics. Before he became a political organizer himself, Falwell -- who ran one of those Christian segregation academies -- attacked Martin Luther King Jr. for his political activism. ("Preachers are not called to be politicians, but to be soul winners," he said.) Before Tony Perkins was basking in homophobic interracial amity, he paid Ku Klux Klan Grand Wizard David Duke $82,500 for his mailing list. In 2004, David Barton, then the vice president of the Texas GOP, spoke at an event featuring white preachers and ministry workers dropping to their knees before their black brethren to plead for forgiveness. Thirteen years earlier, Barton had twice been a featured speaker at meetings of the Christian Identity movement, which preaches that blacks are sub-human "mud people." One could go on and on.
As racism grew politically unacceptable, the Christian right was able to channel resentment over the decline of white male privilege into a Kulterkampf directed at more acceptable enemies, like gays and lesbians. The movement borrowed heavily from Catholic theology and convinced itself that it was in a righteous struggle against a culture of death, not a culture of diversity.
Think they could be attempting to convince Ugandans to shore up some oil contracts to suck oil out of their country for next to nothing?
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Corruption favors the wealthy.
thanks for enlightening some of us. I appreciate how conniving these x-tian righty/tighties are... they just have to believe their own bull$hit and then it's the truth.
Jesus plus nothing! The C Streeters have been tending this garden for quite a while now. However, the Nazi-like targeting of gays and lesbians is so blatant. Will they have to wear some kind of pink symbol on their clothing? Any American politician who participated in this should be mercilessly pounded into political oblivion.
A few weeks earlier, after being introduced by Pat Robertson, I had delivered a rousing take-back-America speech to thousands of cheering religious broadcasters. And not long afterward, I would appear at a huge pro-life rally in Denver. Cal Thomas—once the vice president of Jerry Falwell's Moral Majority, later a Fox News commentator—would introduce me as "the best speaker in America." The "anointing," someone said, was "clearly on this young man!" They were saying that I was a better speaker than my famous father.
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As such, he has become a sharp study of how the power he wants actually flows. In the first rank of fundamentalist influence, there are the old lions: James Dobson and Focus on the Family; Pat Robertson, batty but too rich to ignore; Chuck Colson, the "scholar in residence" in the house of fundamentalism.
"Then you have the B list," which is comprised of dozens of mid-sized organizations with big membership rolls but little name recognition outside activist circles: American Values, led by Gary Bauer, a former top Reagan aide who worked with the Family in the 1980s; and the Traditional Values Coalition, led by Louis P. Sheldon, a longtime Family ally who uses their C Street House for "faith-based diplomacy" in the fight against what he calls the "Marxist/Leftist/Homosexual/Islamic coalition"—a clumsy coinage that marks him as too crass for the Family's inner circle.
Study the symptoms not the virus...
Edmund D. Cohen, American psychologist, lawyer, and one-time fundamentalist Christian. Author of The Mind of the Bible Believer (1988), which displays this blurb by FRANK ZAPPA: "Edmund Cohen was the first, to my knowledge, to sort out the hints of ominous intentions in Pat Robertson's antics.... I expect Cohen to be the first to detect it when the next of these cockroach-messiahs is hatched and descends from the baseboards."
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Pat Robertson (1930– ) American televangelist-entrepreneuer. Owns or has owned the Christian Broadcasting Network (which airs his 700 Club program); radio stations; a stake in an oil refinery; a gold mine in Liberia (in partnership with bloody dictator Charles Tayor, whom Robertson regularly defended in his broadcasts); a diamond mine in the Congo, which used helicopters belonging to Robertson's tax-exempt humanitarian relief organization to transport mining equipment; and of course just to add a bit of genuine snake-oil flavor—Pat Roberton's Age-Defying Protein Shake (advertised on his tax-exempt ministry's Web site).
Study the symptoms not the virus...
Remember when the U.S. had laws against interfering in the internal affairs of other nations.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
"It’s a shame the rest of the media is not giving this story the attention it deserves."
This is America. The story is about killing black people. You're surprised the MSM dosen't care? Hello, this is America...
I was surprised? I'm not surprised a bit and that's not what I wrote.
...that if this legislation passes, we immediately cut all diplomatic and foreign aid ties with Uganda.
Operation
I...ooops, Uganda
Liberation
I hope it wouldn't. But the threat may put the right pressure on them to think about the further repercussions of such an action, and prove that these evangelical douche holes don't speak for Americans in general.
is what speaks to their corrupt or soon to be corrupt politicians.
Is a large group of totally willfully ignorant fools in the congress and the senate. Mainly republican but does include the blue dogs.
republicanism/conservatism is a mental illness that is killing America and if you are not carefull it could be comming to a country near you!
After far too long of Reagan/Bush we got Clinton -- Mr. Free Trade, loosen the markets, and I don't see no Tech bubble, followed by another Bush -- more Free Trade, let the markets run wild, and bubbles are good right?
So now we elect Obama. It turns out he's not the cure all and what do most Dems want to do.... give up.
Like a political and economic black hole, strap in as the rest of America follows California into the abyss.
allowed to be the first black President in exchange for finishing or at least advancing the job the others started?
I attempted to find out more about the proposal before the Ugandan
parliament, its origin and chances for passage. Almost everything I could find seemed to originate with a late November article in the Guardian.
While it is interesting to tie everything back to a despised American origination of some sort, I am curious if anyone knows of credible Ugandan sources that can give details of just how this proposal is proceeding from a legislative standpoint.
"The deal has to be negotiated in the real world, not on some idealized Aristotelian plane. We understand that. A 100-percent deal may be impossible."
Famous "Reality Based" Commentator
Would you like a pony with that?
:)
Corruption favors the wealthy.
who voiced the famous "Idi Amin Hot Tubs" satire. I guess given its history one would have to wonder at any source, but this particular story has such an Americacentric focus that I wonder how this plays locally. The current President is portrayed as both religious and non-religious, a former Marxist, etc. It is hard to get a feel for the internal seriousness of the effort.
"The deal has to be negotiated in the real world, not on some idealized Aristotelian plane. We understand that. A 100-percent deal may be impossible."
Famous "Reality Based" Commentator
and his support of forced abortions for teenage workers in sweatshops in the Mariana Islands.
For some reason the 'librul' MSM barely touched that story...
Where is the aid to help get these people nutritious food and potable water? The issue goes beyond the kill-the-homosexuals bill. It started with the "aids" hoax and grew into this. Funny how many say that the idea that "aids" is a fallacy is a rightwing movement when it was the rightwing that planted this hoax on the world. They throw (taxpayer) money at it to expand the bigPharma kitty- and their stocks. This is possibly also about oil but it's all connected. U2, Bill Gates, the religious right- it's all about using unstable governments to push their cause which has nothing to do with helping the people in those countries.
It may be the C-Streeters this time, but it has always been about trying to gain control of these countries for nefarious purposes.
David, Tim, and Paula are all employed by the Fellowship Foundation and/or Wilberforce Foundation, Inc., a sister corporation.(
See above comment)David Coe is a graduate of Ohio Northern University. His wife, Alden, sits on the Global Advisory Council of PlayPumps International, together with Family associates J. Douglas Holladay and Maj. Gen. (Ret.) Claude (Mick) Kicklighter.
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Notice that "Shell" logo at the beging of the PBS clip. ;)
Study the symptoms not the virus...
I love Rachel and I respect all her views. However, it is no surprise that this disease has always been highly politicized. Whether it is from the farma point of view, or these religious types.
For decades, UNAIDS kept national prevalence levels artificially high, by using only a single, highly sensitive test, and using only blood from women at prenatal clinics, and extrapolating that data to the general population, no matter how unrepresentative a subsection of the population pregnant women at urban clinics were.
When a different survey type was used, national prevalence rates dropped dramatically.
(And yet, even these surveys used a single, highly sensistive screening test called ELISA or EIA. If they used a highly specific confirmation test called Western Blot, there is no telling how low national prevalence levels would really be. Because they have not, even the present national estimates are still inflated.)
Estimates on HIV called too high
New data cut rates for many nations
By John Donnelly, Globe Staff | June 20, 2004
How AIDS in Africa Was Overstated
Reliance on Data From Urban Prenatal Clinics Skewed Early Projections
By Craig Timberg
Washington Post Foreign Service
Thursday, April 6, 2006
UNICEF DHS IN SWAZILAND
SWAZILAND: New survey shows much lower HIV infection among youth
MBABANE, 27 August (PLUSNEWS) - A dramatically lower number of Swazi teenage girls are being infected by HIV than was previously estimated, suggesting a turning point in the battle against HIV/AIDS in a country with the world's highest HIV infection rates.
The findings in the report, 'A Baseline Study on HIV Risk Factors', commissioned by the UN Childrens' Fund (UNICEF) are derived from interviews and blood tests of over 1,000 Swazis in two rural areas and revealed that only six percent of girls aged from 15 to 19 were found to be HIV-positive, with most of the HIV infections occurring among older girls.
"This is the first time we have had data from a scientifically accurate survey of randomly selected households. It confirms some trends we had suspected, but which were belied by previous HIV estimates," said Dr Alan Brody, country representative for UNICEF.
"This is different from anything that has been seen before. The conventional wisdom is that many more girls were infected," he told PlusNews.
The study was prompted by the results of the government's 2002 sero-surveillance study, which estimated that 32.5 percent of teenage girls between the ages of 15 and 19 were HIV-positive.
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This is what I mean. The likes of UNAIDS have been inflating national HIV prevalence data in Africa for decades.
Thank you for your insight and time.
Study the symptoms not the virus...
" Thank you for your insight and time. "
Hi, thank you very much, I have been on this topic for a decade. It never made much sense, right down to the shifting of 'world aids epicenters' from Uganda and the Rakai District to South Africa, when it became clear that there was no impact by massive HIV infection rates on population growth.
Even this article shows the wilful spin on what is a very clear issue - the change of survey type leading to a sharp downward revision of HIV prevalence levels.
SWAZILAND: New survey shows much lower HIV infection among youth
MBABANE, 27 August (PLUSNEWS) - A dramatically lower number of Swazi teenage girls are being infected by HIV than was previously estimated, suggesting a turning point in the battle against HIV/AIDS
[Implying that it is the anti-AIDS effort that is responsible for the downward revision, when they themselves show it is a change in survey type.]
in a country with the world's highest HIV infection rates.
[Apparently not.]
The findings in the report, 'A Baseline Study on HIV Risk Factors', commissioned by the UN Childrens' Fund (UNICEF) are derived from interviews and blood tests of over 1,000 Swazis in two rural areas and revealed that only six percent of girls aged from 15 to 19 were found to be HIV-positive, with most of the HIV infections occurring among older girls.
"This is the first time we have had data from a scientifically accurate survey of randomly selected households.
[And that is of course the key to the entire story - the change in survey type from one testing pregnant women at antenatal clinics only, to a survey of the general population - not condoms or abstinence.]
these cult leaders (religious leaders) with their PHOTOS and their statement of denial or None commitment or NO COMMENT.
Funny how these Cowards beat their chest, make accusations and point finges until these COWARDS have the fingers pointing at them.
As for me it is just further proof their is no god.
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