Liz Cheney: Obama's Nobel Speech Slandered the CIA
Looks like Dick had to send his daughter out to do his dirty work for him again this week on Fox News Sunday. It's hard to say who was more repugnant among this past week's panel line up--Liz with her denial that the United States tortured prisoners or Bloody Bill Kristol with his war mongering.
WALLACE: Liz, several leading conservatives applauded the president's speech -- Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich. How about Liz Cheney?
CHENEY: There were certainly parts of his speech with which I wholeheartedly agree, and I think it was really good, frankly, to have the president finally enunciate some of these things, talk about, you know, the insufficiency of engagement with respect to dealing with terror or dealing with enemies, talk about the importance of America supporting democracy around the world, and also talk about the role that America has played particularly in post-World War II Europe.
I think the key will be whether the policies now follow that, and I certainly hope that they do. But we still had in this speech -- you know, it's almost like it's become reflexive, this notion that America abandoned our ideals after 9/11, and I think that it is -- you know, as we see this president repeatedly go onto foreign soil and accuse America of having tortured people, talk about Guantanamo Bay as an abandonment of our ideals, you know, I -- that part of the speech to me really is nothing short of shameful.
And it's not just an attack on political opponents. You know, it really is casting aspersions and, I would say, slandering the men and women in the CIA who carried out key programs that kept us safe and the people, frankly, right now at Guantanamo Bay who are guarding some of the world's worst terrorists.
So I think that part of the speech represents something I hope the president will stop soon.
Alan Grayson had it right and his message for the Vice President applies to the daughter as well.
Liz, you and your satanic father are shameful. So why don't you just go away and slither up under a rock somewhere you twat.
Is it just me....or does she look like she has an aroma of pee about her?
Who the **** outed a CIA agent, you filthy little sow??
and Liz Cheney approves! Nothing these two say about anything regarding American ideas and values is credible. Nothing!
The CIA has done some very slanderable things.
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
Yup, Liz is out whoring again for her criminal father and Dickhead.
The people who are guarding the world’s worst terrorists are not CIA agents in Guantanamo, they are Secret Service agents guarding the chief executives of the former Bush administration, in Dallas, and wherever the hell Darth Cheney’s new undisclosed bat cave is located.
WOW...spot on. Now that is a statement I would love Alan Grayson to hear!
Is there anyone else other than me who is hoping some of the 'missing' emails have some .... shall we say .... some inadvertent remarks about torturing to be sure Iraq was involved in 9/11....
I know, I know, I still believe in Santa Claus, Tooth Fairy, Easter Bunny, and flying pigs.....
one of the last people i'm going to listen to regarding "torture" is liz cheney. "torture" was used as a strategy to justify/rationalize the war(s).......rather occupations for petro imperialism. liz cheney just offers opposition to the hurtful truth. the blood is on their hands and they will continue to deny it.
I was waiting for an "as if," "no way," and "oh my god, Chris." I used to actually watch this show, albeit with much gastric difficulty, but since Obama's election I don't even bother. This is a prime example - unbelievable.
I've seen some stuff, man. And some thangs...
She needs to learn to speak. And tell the truth.
NOBODY 2012
They can take Obama and his DLC crew apart for all I care. After watching the way this HCR process is turning into a forced insurance industry hand-out, I can't summon the will to give a shit about loony idologues tossing insults at the anointed con-man.
They can get in line.
and freedom of changing the channel when a Cheney comes on the Tele Screen.
If anyone needs proof that MsM thrives on the controversy and avoids the meat of issues, the presence of this "thing" on national TV is proof.
She has NO standing to talk about ANYTHING on the national level.
..how many deferrments does she have?
How many times has she tried to join the military??
Oh wait...You're right. She has NO standing to talk about anything but in my mind not on the national level but at any level.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
No Liz, I don't know. Neither do you, but you're willing to make shit up.
Hey Liz, Obama wasn't talking about the CIA, he was talking about your dad's policies.
She cynically lays blame at the feet of the CIA while simultaneously making it seem like she's defending Obama from doing exactly that. Wow. Uncle Rove taught her well!
The CIA is not exactly the most angelic of institutions but they did not commit the acts Obama was referring to without being ordered to. Maybe the wingnuts you're preaching to on Fox won't get it but the rest of us do.
The covert opperation branch...Have turned into a HIT MAN Mafia Gang according to Ex CIA .
That's perhaps why DICK'S house is still today near to CIA headquarters
This little one has been well trained in the dark arts of deception. I feel sorry for anyone who falls for her BS. Shame on her.
Is it the 21st century yet?
"totalitarians actually want us to hear how we have been screwed because they know that humiliating passivity in the face of obvious oppression will demoralize us even further."
or . . . Perhaps the "political genius" of the Bush-Cheney regime was in their full realization that Americans were so broken that the regime could get away with damn near anything. And the more people did nothing about the boot slamming on their faces, the weaker people became.
damn near anything."....
yup, like the MURDER of almost 3,000 people on September 11, 2001....(oooops...can I say that here????)
....not to mention of the murder of over 4,000 troops...not to mentions the civilians over there........................
Who the fuck is she that they keep giving her a platform to air her views on anything? Who cares?
because of her war criminal father. Read the new Newsweek article about our "celebrity" culture, by which media awards attention to Americans merely by their audacity of making themselves visible, i.e., Levi Johnston, Sarah Palin, The Salahis, Balloon Boy's family, etc. Little Ms. Cheney has NO bona fides, knowledge, certifications, education, or reason to be famous other than being the spawn of Satan and pandering to Faux Noise, the media of low information voters. She truly personifies one whose life is
"but a walking shadow, a poor player, that struts and frets his hour upon the stage, and then is heard no more; it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."
“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
But when was the last time you've heard of Kato Kaelin or the Menundo Brothers?
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she'll either go away or become so ubiquitious that we'll no longer pay attention to her. Or, maybe, if we're very good, God will strike her dead for spouting such momentous lies.
“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8myK93FqbYc
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You're sweet......and probably old like me!
“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
10,000 years older than sand.
;)
his blood's solid!
he farts dust.
All she has to do is stay on stage like her father has done for so many years.
Agree , welcome to America the beautiful and the corporate owned MSM , unfortunately the morons in this country eat this stuff up . Trash like her do not "deserve" a platform , like you said who the F is she ? What has she done / accomplished to be an authority on anything other than bad parenting ? Simply a programmed robot "daughter" of Dick head Cheney and his lovely wife . This country is soooooooooooo F'd up , I sure wish I had the means to take my wife and split for good but I am stuck in what is now a cesspool .
Insanity , it is what it is , there is no understanding it .
suppurating, feculent, brainless, co-opted slag says about ANYTHING?
they are going to force this stuff down your throat regardless if you want it or not.
I got this feeling we'll be seeing a whole lot more of Liz in the next couple of years. CREW will be getting a hold of 94 days worth of those "missing" emails from the Bush years. Not all of them but in a certain time period. Let's hope it's the right time frame. Liz will be out daily defended daddy with these things.
is intended to be a factual statement
we won't see those emails until the second year of the Palin administration...that's if she doesn't seal them for longer.
OH btw, have you guys thought about what is going to happen when Palin gets elected?
You think Bush was bad, just wait.
Try as hard as you can Lizzy, Palin is not going to put you on the ticket with her in 2012.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
You made me spill my coffee!
Good one!
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F0heFEsWVw
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
were the private contractors. Lizard, if you want to defend your torture approving dad, you should keep your mouth shut now and save it fror the courtroom. 22 million missing emails found.
won't see the light of day until 2014 at the earliest.
By 2014 will Cheney even be alive to send to prison for the crimes they'll uncover in those emails? Misplacing files "accidental like" seems to be a good strategy.
They'll all walk--or, rather, ride away in their limos...
how about go to jail?
but we seem to be in a forgetting mode in this country where political criminals are concerned. I think the best we can hope for with the Bush Administration and their ilk is Divine Retribution. Now, that's where I would leave agnosticism behind.
“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
Agnostics don't get into anal?
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I'd have had to get a new keyboard! Kudos.
“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
Giving..not receiving, you ingrates!
Is this where I am supposed to defend Obama as I have since the beginning of his presidential campaign? Is this where I, along with the rest of the progressive/liberals of the Democratic Party, am supposed to fight against the slander brought to him by rabid neoconservatives and scurrilous Blue Dog Dems? Well, guess what, mother-fucker? You're on your own! When everyone in the world was attacking you (i.e., Rev. Wright, "guns and religion", Prof. Gates), it was the left of the Democratic Party that stood up and fought, while the Blue Dogs were ready to throw you to the wolves to help Hillary Clinton. But now you've fucked me and the rst of us over by acting like the corporate Dems we voted against, so don't ask for my help anymore, Mr. President. I've lived through 8 years of Reagan and 8 years of Bush, and I will gladly wait this out ubtil a TRUE Dem administration works for ME and not for what we voted against. Fight your own fucking battles, Barry! Maybe you can be less of a pussy againsy Liz Cheney that you were against Lieberman, but I doubt it.
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What's the point of electing these "Democrats" if they're going to kowtow the first time one of these sore losers comes crying to them? I didn't vote for Joe Lieberman, the Family, the Tea-per Tantrum crowd, Olympia Snowe, Stupak, or holdovers from the last war criminal's cabal to run this country, and yet, that's what's happened!
"What's the point of electing these "Democrats""
Because the only other option was a republican.
Obviously.
Maybe we should have a progressive purity oath?
If we only counted "pure" democrats we too would be at about 20% of the electorate. I can't see how that would help the situation.
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
i don't know what a "pure" democrat is.
and you seem to assume the oft-cited claim by the GOP that america is a conservative-leaning country. its not.
i would never vote for a pol that votes like a republican simply b/c they have a 'd' next to their name.
Not Roman Catholic Bishops.
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That the current 20% electorate IS running the country now. Health care reform? Oh, sorry about that, but the people who believe in a Grandpa in the sky don't want women to be treated like equals in the bill, and Mr. Lieberman has a check to clear, but maybe next term. Close Guantanamo? Oh, when we can get around to it, things are just sooooo busy right now. Get out of Afghanistan? No, in fact, (whisper) we'll be invading Pakistan in a year or two! Hold the Bush crowd accountable for all the crimes known to have taken place during their reign? Oh, sorry, that would hurt a lot of people's feelings, and we can't have that with another election year coming.
To hell with a birth certificate, I'd like to see the president produce evidence of which party he's with.
Your problem is that conservative and 'liberal' americans are so self-deluded and disconnected from reality.
It's a cage. For decades, the country has been committing murder - suicide, literally, on a global scale. I'm getting to be ok with the suicide part. It's the murder part that annoys me.
people who are concerned that the lives of the people on the planet be decent and livable. That would be enough for me. I would love to belong to a party that is for the little guy, cares for the homeless and downtrodden, believes in justice for wrongs, and truly believes in "Love thy neighbor" as it was meant by Jesus, if there were a Jesus, which so many people want to believe. How does that sound?
“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
There were certainly parts of his speech with which I wholeheartedly agree, and I think it was really good, frankly, to have the president finally enunciate some of these things, talk about, you know, the insufficiency of engagement with respect to dealing with terror or dealing with enemies, talk about the importance of America supporting democracy around the world, and also talk about the role that America has played particularly in post-World War II Europe. -- lizard cheney
along with newt and palin, seems like obama's "war? what is it good for? absolutely a lot of things" speech was a hit amongst the neocons, and the GOP.
it was bushian, hypocritical and severely disappointing.
as far as cheney's 'slandering the CIA' comment--that was one of lizard's most hypocritical statements to date. no small feat.
* Add 3 parts dumbed-down psychopath
* Add 1 part invertebrate
* Add someone else's oil and blood, stir until well done
You are your own worst enemy. Be offended. I am.
I can't believe I wasted one minute of my adult life giving any of you the benefit of the doubt. I can't believe I ever doubted myself for 1 second.
Cheney . . "That's not near enough!" ( on minimal savings Average Americans must have for day to day retirement expenses.)
Liz in her garage, the kids are at grandmas, pulling the wings off flies, hubby is dead drunk for the 57th day in a row.
She captures a neighborhood Latino landscaper with a tranquilizer gun and her SuV. She drags him onto a table, duct tapes him down, as Lawrence Welk blares from the stereo. She wearing a very tasteful black velour running suit and those flowery designer rain boots and ski goggles.
She begins by asking the landscaper, "Where is your friend Julio?"
The man replies, "I don't have a friend Julio...where am I...dios mio help!"
"That's what I expected you to say" she chuckles as the water pours into the open mouth of her victim.
She hears a car pull up...IT'S DAD!
"Hi honey" Dick says as he smiles and holds her hand.
"Practice makes perfect" Liz chirps as she smiles and looks up to her father with adoring eyes.
has to be around $100 Million to get regular slots-bookings on these shows.
liz cheney is part of the deception. she will continue to cry out "terrorists"/"terrorism" especially with more and more information coming out regarding these war(s)/occupations and possibly 9-11. the BUSH legacy deniers are desperate to put a cap on the BUSH legacy as if there's a magic switch. these war(s)/occupations are about resources......not about a dude named saddam that was pulled out of a dirt hole that the cia claimed had wmd's. we've been had....... and the bullshxt continues.
Or when it comes to putting the terrorists on trial.
That's the platform they fear on terrorist getting criminal trials in the US where the press can presumably cover some of it.
That might create the possibility of cases being built for prosecuting chainey and booshboy.
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The neocon lunatics sure know how to program and make mindless robots out of their off spring . Liz Cheney just like Kristol , products of neolunatic fathers .
Insanity , it is what it is , there is no understanding it .
If they a stop the torturin
We can stop the talkina...
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"What will the next four years bring? With luck, total gridlock.
The two houses of Congress are evenly split. Presidential adventurism
will be at a minimum. With bad luck (and adventures),
Chancellor Cheney will rule. A former Secretary of Defense,
he has said that too little money now goes to the Pentagon even
though last year it received 51 percent of the discretionary budget.
Expect a small war or two in order to keep military appropriations
flowing. There will also be tax relief for the very rich. But bad
scenario or good scenario, we shall see very little of the charmingly
simian George W. Bush. The military—Cheney, Powell et
al.—will be calling the tune, and the whole nation will be on constant
alert, for, James Baker has already warned us, Terrorism is
everywhere on the march. We cannot be too vigilant. Welcome
to Asunción. GORE VIDAL"
I'm Boycotting NewsCorp! Heres what not to buy: http://www.cjr.org/resources/index.php?c=news...
But what is left unsaid: all of this is the result of votes by average Republican Americans.
We must address them or the problem will never go away. Nothing we try to sway our political leaders matters if Republicans keep voting for lower and lower quality leaders or outright corporate sell-outs.
The believers of the lie must be held responsible. Must change. Or nothing else will.
of the Nation article on the stolen election... as we know now it was the votes not counted that also mattered.
Heres another 'zerpt:
"Until December 12, we enjoyed a number of quietly corrupt
elections, decently kept from public view. But the current Supreme
Court, in devil-may-care mood, let all sorts of cats out of its bag—
such as a total commitment to what the far right euphemistically
calls family values. Justice Antonin Scalia—both name and visage
reminiscent of a Puccini villain—affirmed family values by not
recusing himself from the Bush-Gore case even though his son
works for the same law firm that represented Bush before the
Court. Meanwhile, Justice Clarence Thomas’s wife works for a
far-right think tank, the Heritage Foundation, and even as her husband
attended gravely to arguments, she was vetting candidates
for office in the Bush Administration.
Elsewhere, George W. Bush, son of a failed Republican President,
was entrusting his endangered Florida vote to the state’s
governor, his brother Jeb."
...and:
..." Another cat let out of the bag is the Supreme Court’s dedication
to the 1 percent that own the country. Justice Sandra Day O’Connor
couldn’t for the life of her see why anyone would find the
butterfly ballot puzzling. The subtext here was, as it is so often
with us, race. More votes were invalidated by aged Votomatic
machines in black districts than in white. This made crucial the
uncounted 10,000 Miami-Dade ballots that recorded no presidential
vote. Hence the speed with which the Bush campaign, loyally
aided and abetted by a 5-to-4 majority of the Supreme Court,
invented a series of delays to keep those votes from ever being
counted because, if they were, Gore would have won the election.
Indeed he did win the election until the Court, through ever more
brazen stays and remands, with an eye on that clock ever ticking,
delayed matters until, practically speaking, in the eyes of the five,
if not all of the four, there was no longer time to count, the object
of an exercise that had sent trucks filled with a million ballots from one dusty Florida city to the next, to be kept uncounted.
During this slow-paced comedy, there was one riveting moment
of truth that will remain with us long after G.W. Bush has
joined the lengthening line of twilight Presidents in limbo. On the
Wednesday before the Thursday when we gave thanks for being
the nation once hailed as the greatest by Agnew, the canvassing
board in Dade County was, on the orders of the Florida Supreme
Court, again counting ballots when an organized crowd stormed
into the county building, intimidating the counters and refusing
to give their names to officials. The Miami Herald, a respectable
paper, after examining various voting trends, etc. concluded that
Gore had actually carried Florida by 23,000 votes. The Herald
plans to examine those much-traveled ballots under Florida’s
“sunshine” law. I suspect that the ballots and their chads will be
found missing."
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Obviously this nitwit doesn't know much about the law. The legal definition of slander is that you say something that is not true, you know it isn't true, you say it anyway, and it changes the opinion of at least one person towards the slandered person. She's an opportunistic idiot. What is sad is that she graduated from law school. Moron.
"What is sad is that she graduated from law school."
Who do you think taught her this type of double-speak?
who has always spoken with forked tongue.
“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
His aim has always been that bad?
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Know what her thesis was in college - "The Evolution of Presidential War Powers"
Liz seems hell bent on war at any costs. Karma will visit her someday and it probably will have no mercy. After all, she is incapable of it.
You and your entire family can go f*ck yourselves.
... that it's not slander if it's true.
I would love to be a fly on the wall in the rooms where current and ex CIA people are discussing this. There is of course the issue of daddy (whose code name at the CIA was Edgar, for Edgar Burgen the famous 30's ventriloquist, you can guess who the implied dummy was) outing a CIA agent but that is the least of Cheney's attacks on the CIA. Going back to the Reagan white house Cheney had a habit of creating his own Team B group because as corrupt as the CIA was and is they still had a tendency to want to stick more or less to the facts when informing the president. Cheney was reviled by many people at the CIA for that and for his more recent intrusions and distortions of the intelligence process. He would do unprecedented things such as go over the CIA and brow beat analysts who said things he didn't want to hear such as that the Yellow Cake memo was a fraud, that Curbeball was an unreliable drunk, etc. All of which of course turned out to be true.
Now I skip over the clips with O'Really, Hannity, Cheney and his Spawn, Kristol, all those insane excuses for human beings, etc. Who wants to waste the time listening to their crap, and why waste the bandwidth?
I've got better things to do and better people to listen to. I already know how hopelessly evil they are. Let's devote our time and energy to developing a viable THIRD party. Obama and the Dems are HOPELESS.
So let's see some clips of Ralph Nader (yes, he the evil one, according to the corrupt and useless Dems)(they claim he caused Gore and Lieberman to lose, but even if they had won, wouldn't the Dems have been as USELESS as they are now with an overwhelming majority?), Chomsky, more Krugman, Bill Moyers, even Howard Dean, who I would not vote for when I lived in VT, because I thought he was too corrupt. He's looking virtuous now.
Progressives should not waste time and energy on these freaks anymore. I know it is sometimes fun, because they are such easy targets. But we now need to abandon the Democratic Party and start a new one. The continuance of war, no effort made by any of them to reform the Patriot Act, the sell out of possible health care reform. They've had enough chances and have FAILED. Time to let them know that we are DONE with them. I certainly am--I hope many others join me. ANd if I vote for Nader again, as I hope to do, heaven help any Dem that comes back at me for it.
"I think that it is -- you know, as we see this president repeatedly go onto foreign soil and accuse America of having tortured people, talk about Guantanamo Bay as an abandonment of our ideals, you know, I -- that part of the speech to me really is nothing short of shameful."
I'm trying to find the right way to express my feeling on this matter.
Let's see...okay.Got it.What rhymes with "PUNT"?.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
Here is my rebuttal to Lyn, spoken in the words of her father: Go Fuck Yourself!
Why so desperate to be blonde?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rNfZxgkH7k
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get so much air time. I am about to put this Ding Dong B*TCH in the same catagory as that Space Cadet palin the Alaskan Whore.
Neither can speak correctly wothout a hedge Lie pr misrepresentation.
Never mind I just remember this isn't NEWS its' Entertainment brought to yo by the Main SStream Entertainment Media, sorry I forgot. NO wonder the B*tch is allowed to talk through a paper asshole.
It's because there is no news any more. Just a patch here and there.
It's all cheap soap opera trash.
This is so cheap. it writes itself, so no writers. There are no facts, so no research required. It's a handful of people yapping at a handful of "guests" yapping back at them.
There is no news any more because it's too hard to create and it's too hard to watch.
That's why i think there may be a market for a start-up network that does old school news... huh?... heh? It could run all day without repeating itself over and over. there's plenty of news to absorb in a day.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Why does Liz hate America so much? She complaining when people exercise their First Amendment free speech rights. She complains that the President is the Commander in Chief and he, not the soldiers/subordinates on the ground, makes the strategy decisions on how to fight wars.
Liz, you can keep flapping your gums all you want but history will still record the fact that your daddy did not respect or honor the Constitution and that he was one of the worst VPs we've ever had.
Yeah, I know, reality is a bitch because it is what it is. Can't change it no matter how long you hold your breath and turn blue in the face.
I can hardly wait to hear what this dummy says about the 22 million "lost" e-mails.
Well, from her point of view - Liz Chaney's father committed the crime of the century so i'll be surprised if she isn't committed to an institution before she gets over that!
You just watch and wish it wasn't so, but there's nothing you can say to her to make things better, try as we might.
Perhaps this is something Liz and her now private family will have to come to terms with on their own. I hope they come to terms with it, on their own.
Meanwhile Murdoch exploits her. I'm sure all the media corporations will exploit her too, and to some extent they already are.
From our point of view it makes many of us queasy - but then we are hearing private, personal stuff from a stranger about a family member, so we should be feeling queasy. We also know we shouldn't even be listening to this private conflict that's none of our business.
So i blame TV for this screw up and not dizzy Lizzy.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Any time you say something that would even be partially supported by Skeez Cheney you know you are saying the wrong things.
Pres. Obama, please have your speech writers check their work next time with FUX to make sure there is nothing they can possibly agree with.
VietVet67 - good point. Me, too, also.
I guess if your FAT ASS FATHER was vice president, then you get the medias attention these days eh?
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