John Shadegg Slips and Says He Would Support Single Payer Health Care
Oops. Republican John Shadegg appeared on MSNBC just after Dennis Kucinich made his statement saying that he was going to vote for the health care bill. While arguing against the mandate to buy insurance Shadegg let's one slip and basically made the argument for having single payer health insurance. As The Hill noted, he quickly switched gears. Shadegg (R): 'I would support single payer' over individual mandate:
Shadegg blasted the for-profit health insurance industry during an appearance on MSNBC today, finally declaring, "I would support single payer."
He quickly clarified his comment, saying he would simply like to see health insurance companies have more competition.
"I would support forcing American healthcare companies to compete right," he said "Now they have a monopoly."
That's similar to the argument Democrats have made for the public option, and in a statement to The Hill, Shadegg's office said a public option would be better than requiring individuals to buy insurance from the for-profit sector.
David Shuster did a pretty good job here. It is humorous to watch these Republicans spinning so badly in an attempt to attack the Democrats that they're going from repeating Dennis Kucinich's point about why we should have single payer in one breath and then talking about high risk pools in the next. I don't recall any support for single payer coming from Shadegg on the House floor over the last year. Instead he was busy using a baby as a prop while he talked about the "dangers" of government run health care. These Republicans never seem to run out of goal posts to move.
I know a lot of people are mad at Kucinich for changing his vote. I'm not happy with this whole deal but I say cut him some slack. He didn't have any good options to deal with and not passing this bill is political suicide for the Democrats right now and he knows it. There's no reason we can't keep pushing these guys for a Medicare buy in as Grayson is proposing and for single payer after this passes. This fight isn't over if the bill does pass and I know Dennis will be one of the ones continuing to push the party to do the right thing. I'm not ready to throw him or Bernie Sanders or any of the other progressive Democrats who vote for this bill under the bus. They're not what's wrong with our Congress. The problem is there aren't enough of them.
We can keep pushing the Democrats to do the right thing and supporting primary challengers against the ones who won't or we can throw our hands up and let the party that has "moved into a mental hospital" back in power. We're stuck with a two party system right now so I'll take the former. I shudder at the thought of a President Romney or Palin, a Leader McConnell, a Speaker Boehner and a Michele Bachmann chairing some committee in the House. I had enough of the wingnuts running the show under Bush to last me for the rest of my life and that was before they started ratcheting up the crazy the way they are now.
People can ONLY buy health insurance from another state IF that state charges MORE than the insurance in your OWN state charges. If it's CHEAPER THAN YOUR STATE YOU HAVE TO BUY THE HIGHER PRICED INSURANCE IN YOUR OWN STATE. READ IT! HR 3400, PAGE 139
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HR 3400 IH
‘‘SEC. 2798. LIMITATION ON INDIVIDUAL PURCHASE IN SECONDARY STATE. ‘‘Effective beginning two years after the date of enactment of this part, an individual in a State may not buy individual health insurance coverage in a secondary State if the premium for individual health insurance in the primary State (with respect to the individual) exceeds the national average premium by 10 percent or more.
The man is guilty of not using a teleprompter.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
that my ultra-conservative brother-in-law and all his Republican "friends" on facebook actually had a meaningful discussion about THEIR healthcare COVERAGE. They are all trying to figure out where the benefits might be for them with this new legislation... while still HOWLING about the sins of "government-run" healthcare, and what a travesty it would be if it were FREE to everybody. Yes... they are all a BIG BUNCH OF STUPID IDIOTS. But he's my sister's brother... so I didn't use REALLY HARSH language in my multiple rebuttles to their IDIOCY.
Is that legal in your state?
so there's a chance that they are red-state inbred hicks buying every lie Glen Beck tells them.
There is no logical reason for anyone in congress to oppose medicare for all.
Republicans are liars and simply cannot be trusted.
There's your problem. The media doesn't require politicians to be logical, it prefers that they aren't.
It is "neither practical nor realistic" according to the President.
We have huge public support behind the idea, but those in power are against it.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
with regard to any further "health care reform." This is it. BHO made his "bones," and they will move on to something else that will disappoint us. What could they possibly have threatened Kucinich with? I hope these bastards get all that they deserve. Three times over. Please let there be justice in the Universe.
The simple solution is to eliminate the ( useless ) middle man completely which is what the Insurance companies are , they are maggots , just free loaders but OMG in this country that's blasphemy isn't it ? Long live Capitalism and Wall Street fat cats !
"The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all."
they've been protecting the backroom deal with the hospital lobby since last summer and driving this thing to this point. see artical below...
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/13/health/poli...
Several hospital lobbyists involved in the White House deals said it was understood as a condition of their support that the final legislation would not include a government-run health plan paying Medicare rates — generally 80 percent of private sector rates — or controlled by the secretary of health and human services.
>“We have an agreement with the White House that I’m very confident will be seen all the way through conference,” one of the industry lobbyists, Chip Kahn, director of the Federation of American Hospitals, told a Capitol Hill newsletter.
come out of this bill...
16,000 new jobs are going to be created at the IRS so they'll be able to garnish our bank accounts, levy the penalties and seize our tax refunds!!!
http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/domesti...
Woo-hoo!!!
These are the type things we won't hear Rachel or Keith or Wolf or any of the other cheerleaders for this despotic piece of legislation mentioning....
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
of America..
Calling All Rebels
By Chris Hedges
And so it begins. The Republicans narrative will now be that they were actually for HCR all along, just not in its current form. That had changes been made they would have voted for it for the good of the people or some other nationalistic bull shit. Just wait for it. 1 month tops.
Shadegg's plan is to create a high-risk pool for sick people whose premiums would be subsidized by healthy peoples' premiums.
Why in the world would a healthy person pay ANY premiums? Why not wait until you have a pre-existing condition?
... the counts of a secret vote in the Senate
If you need funds to pay for essentials, you have a revenue problem
If you need funds to pay for frivolity, you have a spending problem
I don't cut Kucinich slack because he does this EVERY time. He talks a good game, gets on a couple of talk shows then rolls over. He gets to the convention then rolls over for the corporate bought candidate with nothing to show. Same with all the so-called progressive dems. They're so afraid to lose their cushy positions, even the precious Dennis, that they'd never take a real stand for progressive values.
Being a Democrat is worthless. What do you "win"?
should be simple
Pass this bill and reconciliation, then run through the election on adding the public option, propose bills in the senate and let republicans filibuster, the goal now besides passing this crappy bill, should be to reduce losses in november and the way to do that is to run on we need more dems to overcome republican procedural maneuvers. point out 'no' votes in the house and cloture votes in the senate to stop the overwhelmingly popular public option.
Kucinich is right to vote yes against what he would really like because it would be infinitely easier to add the PO to this bill than to pass it all at once later or in what the lying republicans say they want, pass it in smaller chunks
the only way us dems would be the least bit motivated in November is to have something passed. Dem enthusiasm needs to get out the vote this fall and every election from now on. And change the party from the inside out with primary challenges to those who can't support progressive legislation. It's up to us to change things and to be throwing in the towel after one or two elections is foolish.
I read very good logical responses on this site, the problem is, it is not logical to expect the logics to be applied, otherwise it is logical to expect the logic would be adhered to. Is that logical reasoning?
so i guess that means single payer is in? oh, didn't think so.
so in other words, who cares what this guy says? thought so.
I just HAD to go back and watch the YouTube video of Shadegg holding "baby Maddy" to argue against the government "take over" of health care.
When Democrats wanted a Public Option", they denounced it as a "takeover". When they strip it out, Republicans decry denying people a Public Option.
These people have NO shame.
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