Daily KOS Poll Numbers of Self-Identified Republicans 'Nothing Short of Startling'
Keith and Markos Moulitsas discuss the Republicans absolute refusal to cooperate with the Democrats on anything and the latest numbers from this poll done by Kos' research company -- The 2010 Comprehensive Daily Kos/Research 2000 Poll of Self-Identified Republicans:
MOULITSAS: Well, what we found with this poll—and we‘re releasing it tomorrow at around noon Eastern Time, and this is a nonpartisan independent pollster—is that about 1/3 of Republicans are what to be characterized as sane, about 1/3 think Obama was born in the United States, about 1/3 don‘t think Obama should be impeached. We‘re talking impeachment here, without a hint of scandal.
About 1/3 believe that sex education should be taught in schools and so on. I mean, this is a fairly comprehensive poll.
And the other 2/3 either are completely insane or just aren‘t sure. I mean, 1/3 think that maybe we ought to debate whether Obama was born in the United States; 1/3 think that maybe ACORN stole the 2008 election. I mean, it‘s pretty, pretty crazy stuff. And I think a lot of this is driven by FOX News and Rush Limbaugh and this incredible, reality-bending, ultimate media machine that the right has.
The results are nothing short of startling. Read on...
I agree. The numbers are pretty startling. You can check out the entire results here.
John Amato:
About 39 percent of Republicans think Obama should be impeached, and 29 percent aren't sure. This might be because 63 percent think he's a socialist, and only 42 percent think he was born in the United States.
More than 50 percent of Republicans think Sarah Palin is better qualified than Barack Obama to be president. About 24 percent believe Obama wants the terrorists to win, and 21 percent think Acorn stole the 2008 election (55 percent aren't sure). A solid 31 percent think Obama is "a racist who hates white people" and -- the coup de grace -- 23 percent think their state should secede from the United States.
Republicans think Palin is more qualified than Obama. What a hoot. But my favorite is that about a quarter of them want to secede from the US. Do us a favor and move on that one.
Transcript via MSNBC below the fold.
OLBERMANN: Of course, math that would make a $1.2 trillion deficit inherited from his predecessor, President Bush, into President Obama‘s deficit, math that would make $30 billion in small business tax cuts in the Obama budget a massive tax increase for small businesses is the same kind of math by which House Republicans would now declare themselves the winners of Friday‘s question time session with President Obama, when with almost all of his answers, the president schooled his opposition while offering an olive branch of bipartisanship—not something his predecessor could have nor would have done.
Over the weekend, some how Republicans rewrote the history immediately
Congressman Mike Pence, who moderated the proceedings, and with whom the floor was mopped, mischaracterizing it as the first time President Obama has ever recognized that Republicans have ideas.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
PENCE: Republicans have been out in the cold in this debate for the last year. Yesterday, I think, maybe the president said, all right, all right, you guys have ideas, you have solutions.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
OLBERMANN: Just roll the video.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
OBAMA: If you want to look at what‘s going on in the Recovery Act, you can look on Recovery.gov, a Web site—by the way, that was Eric Cantor‘s idea.
From the start, I sought out and supported ideas from Republicans. I even talked about an issue that has been a “holy grail” for a lot of you, which was tort reform, and said that I‘d be willing to work together as part of a comprehensive package to deal with it. I just didn‘t get a lot of nibbles.
Creating a high-risk pool for uninsured folks with pre-existing conditions, that wasn‘t my idea. It was Senator McCain‘s and I supported it and it got incorporated into our approach.
Allowing insurance companies to sell coverage across state lines, that‘s an idea that was incorporated into our package.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
OLBERMANN: On the topic: is bipartisanship meaning buy my partisanship, let‘s turn now to Markos Moulitsas, the founder and publisher of the Daily Kos as well as the author of “Taking on the System.”
Markos, good evening.
MARKOS MOULITSAS, DAILYKOS.COM: Good evening, Keith.
OLBERMANN: Well, we just heard Mike Pence claim Republicans have ideas. Is the problem not with the ideas, but with this—I mean, transparent intransigence, that none of these ideas can become law in an Obama administration, even if they were their ideas, like that perfect example of pay-as-you-go?
MOULITSAS: Well, they have ideas. I mean, we‘ve spent the last year hearing their ideas. You know, their claims that Obama‘s a socialist Nazi who wants to kill your grandmother and all sorts of nonsense. I mean, this is what they‘ve contributed to the debate. They‘ve had a vast media network to deliver those, quote, “ideas.” So, this notion that they were out in the cold and nobody paid attention to them is so patently ridiculous.
But, yes, when we talk about their role in the current political process, it‘s to say no to everything. I mean, they voted no against supplemental funding for our troops in Afghanistan. I mean, this is the kind of thing that they crucified Democrats for doing back in the Bush years, yet they have no compulsion about doing it now, because they know that they cannot vote for anything that Obama proposes that the Democrats do, because that would make them seen like they were part of governing, and they can‘t possibly do that.
OLBERMANN: Yes, disagreeing with Petraeus on where to have the terror trials, under what venues, suddenly it‘s OK to disagree with Petraeus. But pertinent to this, you have a Web site poll coming up in full release tomorrow, I guess, and the early dribs and drabs out of this are just remarkable about what, two out of three Republicans believe Obama is a socialist, the numbers about Palin‘s qualifications.
Give me what you can about this and what you think it means at first blush.
MOULITSAS: Well, what we found with this poll—and we‘re releasing it tomorrow at around noon Eastern Time, and this is a nonpartisan independent pollster—is that about 1/3 of Republicans are what to be characterized as sane, about 1/3 think Obama was born in the United States, about 1/3 don‘t think Obama should be impeached. We‘re talking impeachment here, without a hint of scandal.
About 1/3 believe that sex education should be taught in schools and so on. I mean, this is a fairly comprehensive poll.
And the other 2/3 either are completely insane or just aren‘t sure. I mean, 1/3 think that maybe we ought to debate whether Obama was born in the United States; 1/3 think that maybe ACORN stole the 2008 election. I mean, it‘s pretty, pretty crazy stuff. And I think a lot of this is driven by FOX News and Rush Limbaugh and this incredible, reality-bending, ultimate media machine that the right has.
OLBERMANN: Well, also consider this, that even though if you‘re a 10-year-old in 1980 and you‘re 40 years old now, every Democratic president you‘ve known before this one was impeached and for, you know, pretty flimsy reasons. So, unfortunately, the reality has been bent to go along with the bent message.
And to that point, Senator McCain told “The Hill” newspaper that Republicans are happy to sit down with Democrats and the White House, but he said, on things like—let me read the quote exactly, “on things like health care, they‘ve got to start over.”
Let‘s say that that scenario is played out. If the Democrats and the White House started over on health care, this would just give the Republicans another chance to derail it, wouldn‘t it, just extend the process that work fairly well for them in the past year?
MOULITSAS: Absolutely nothing would happen.
OLBERMANN: Yes.
MOULITSAS: I don‘t think there‘s any doubt about that. I mean, you have Olympia Snowe, who‘s a so-called moderate, bragging about how she helped kill health care by negotiating in bad faith. I mean, these are the supposedly good Republicans that sometimes vote with us and they‘re bragging about killing health care reform.
Nothing will happen. They are afraid of health care reform, just like they‘re afraid of Social Security, and they‘re still trying to kill it to this day, as you talked about earlier, with Hensarling, wanting to privatize. They do not like government-run programs that work, because they feel that if people actually learn to appreciate those programs, they think government can do good.
OLBERMANN: That‘s right.
MOULITSAS: . that means that they‘re going to support more Democrats.
OLBERMANN: Last point, James Fallows at “The Atlantic” said he got a note from somebody who‘s described as having many decades experience in national politics who said he witnessed last year two congressman who had this discussion about the stimulus bill and the GOP member said, “I‘d like this in the bill,” some part of the proposal, and the Democratic member said, “If we put it in, will you vote for the bill?” And the GOP member says, “You know I can‘t vote for the bill.” And the Democratic member says, “Then why should we put it in the bill?”
Have we just defined what‘s wrong with partisanship and with the nature of our system right now? And in 30 seconds, what can we do to fix it?
MOULITSAS: Well, our system is broken.
OLBERMANN: Yes.
MOULITSAS: Mostly the Senate—in 30 seconds, I can do it quicker—kill the filibuster. And that‘s I hope Democrats start looking into moving forward.
OLBERMANN: And you know, you thought that was going to be difficult to answer. Markos Moulitsas of Daily Kos, we look forward to the poll tomorrow. It should be fascinating and terrifying at the same time. Great thanks.
MOULITSAS: Thank you.


"Republicans think Palin is more qualified than Obama. What hooters."
(Fixed it fer ya).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4Kbyte51MY
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
For the worng reasons, she can get it right occasionally:
Palin calls for Rahm Emmanuel to be fired.
Does that mean I can't support Rahm's firing now?? I'm so confused...
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
those broken clocks
me-oww!
and why should he be fired?
has be pulled a karl rove?
conservatives are proof that
there is a place for high school drop outs.
H/T Young Frankenstein.
Lets have a contest. What would be the most effective way to shut Fox News up?
Ask, "Have you stopped slapping your willy?"
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
I would say asking them, "If there was a candidate who's favorite slogan was, 'Mother, God and child,' who hated deviate arts, Communists, homosexuals and trade unions, would you support him?"
But the odd thing is while one set of repugs compare Obama to Hitler, another set led by pat buchanan, will insist Hitler wasn't so bad, and we shouldn't have gone to war with Germany.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Or just go to a book store and read the parts of the book that reference Hitler. Good to know. BTW, how are you?
how about a little spoiler here...? my bookstore is a long way away
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Coe listed other men who had changed the world through the strength of the covenants they had forged with their “brothers”: “Look at Hitler,” he said. “Lenin, Ho Chi Minh, Bin Laden.” The Family, of course, possessed a weapon those leaders lacked: the “total Jesus” of a brotherhood in Christ.
“That's what you get with a covenant,” said Coe.“Jesus plus nothing.”
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In a document entitled “Our Common Agreement as a Core Group,” members of the Family are instructed to form a “core group,” or a “cell,” which is defined as “a publicly invisible but privately identifiable group of companions.” A document called “Thoughts on a Core Group” explains that “Communists use cells as their basic structure. The mafia operates like this, and the basic unit of the Marine Corps is the four man squad. Hitler, Lenin, and many others understood the power of a small core of people.”
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He traveled also with a mandate from General John Hildring, assistant secretary of state, to oversee the creation of a list of good Germans of “the predictable type” (many of whom, Vereide believed, were being held for having “the faintest connection” with the Nazi regime), who could be released from prison “to be used, according to their ability in the tremendous task of reconstruction.” Vereide met with Jewish survivors and listened to their stories, but he nevertheless considered ex-Nazis well suited for the demands of “strong” government, so long as they were willing to worship Christ as they had Hitler.
Study the symptoms not the virus...
get a kindle and learn to read
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBcDjeR_y7Q
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
everyone of us needs to read the story
of the monsters at 'c' street,
and then vote against the evangelical right
whenever we get a chance
They sure are creapy alright. Shine the light on them.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
No matter their answer be like a child and just keep asking why? Make them explain their crazy selves.
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
Speaking of Young Frankenstein, perhaps the horses will whinny everytime time someone says "Frau Palin."
This is just going to confirm project's redundancy. Thanks a lot!
;)
But does this study show if republicans have sustained any growth.
And is it malignant?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
do use a LOT of Viagra.
Well that just follows, have you seen their wimmin?
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k206/swings...
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
That just made me more gay.
BTW, do go swimmin' with bow-legged wimmin?
ROTFLMBBAO.
Word. More federal funds for us you losers, since I'm sure that secede shit comes from states that pay less into the federal coffers than they receive.
me-oww!
Amen to that! Please please please leave. I'm begging you too.
If they were to take all of their psychotic GOP nutjobs in congress with them, imagine how the rest of the country could take off once more?
They could create their own utopian fascist hell hole on earth, revelling in their own self inficted stupidity, complete with abject poverty after being reduced to serfdom by their GOP heroes.
I can see them now; sitting on their obese pasty asses, listening to Fox tell them that the miserable state of affairs they find themselves in - compared to the prosperous liberals up north, is because the northern socialists' love taxing the rich.
And the foreclosed, 40% credit card A.P.R., unemployed teabaggers will be in the streets cheering for the super rich fscidtd
If I were a psychopath, I would join the republican party, and get in on the gravy train taking the Teabircher morons to the cleaners.
5/9 th's of SCOTUS.
The GOP caucus, far from being psychotic nutjobs, are corrupt and sociopathic planners who carefully script their agendas. They fear healthcare spending for one reason: bureaucracy will have to be cut to fund it. GOP leaders preach smaller government to their constituents to keep their followers from competing for the high-paying political plums they dole out to their families and friends under the pretext of "fair civil service hiring".
The morons who support secession want slavery so they can compel sex, usually the illegal and unpopular varieties thereof, and domestic servitude. Anyone with an IQ over 5 can reason that unpaid work cuts pay scales for us all, by dint of wage competition. The GOP is rounding up the shallow end of the gene pool, registering them to vote, and then blistering ACORN for competing.
Meanwhile, take a tip from the teabaggers, who want a constitutional amendment prohibiting compulsory health insurance--please, let's get that thing rewritten to prohibit compulsory insurance and compulsory support of any industry or corporate entity, including competing but industry-specific corporate candidates! That would be some change I could believe in like Xians believe that Jesus was from a virgin birth, when he consistently referred to himself as the Son of Man...
so, this poll confirms once again that Republicans are misinformed nutjobs...
has a toady popping champagne corks while he stands in front of a "Mission Accomplished" banner ...
I'm Boycotting NewsCorp! Heres what not to buy: http://www.cjr.org/resources/index.php?c=news...
either find some balls & do what the people elected you to do...or pass the chips & the pop & the remote to the couch riding (small c) christians & let them have their way with you.
The numbers tell the ugly truth...it's time to put these morons in their proper place!
would play into interesting questions for a poll of self identified "progressives." Do you believe Democrats have; lots of balls, balls, tiny balls?
In your view, should women Democrats have balls outside the home?
Which in your view is it more important for an elected official
to have, lots of balls, lots of spine, more balls but some spine,
some balls but lots of spine, spiny balls, preferably hairy?>
"Folks, this is not your father's Republican Party."
Joe Biden
the most obvious answer, 'no balls at all'
me-oww!
but to include that would be pure idiocracy.
"Folks, this is not your father's Republican Party."
Joe Biden
a network and other airheads nationwide spreading lies, and barely any main media calling them out on it. would we have gone to Iraq if the media had balls? no...
My tits are bigger than your balls, GOP balls, or Democratic balls. And more functional.
You darn tootin' palin's more qualified for than Obama
She's quite more jobs than he's had...
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
that she's given more jobs than Obama.
Because it is Markos and he introduced it on Olbermann saying its findings are that one third of Republicans are sane, the rest of the results will be dismissed by the rest of the media.
For the size of the sample they sure picked very few questions to ask on substantive topics, like health care reform and financial reform. The kind of questions make one wonder if this is a polling version of an O'Keefe independent film.
"Folks, this is not your father's Republican Party."
Joe Biden
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We could go on to teeth and tits for tats, toys for tots, but let's don't.
Let's just scream, "Why don't we have our Palin, too!"
"Folks, this is not your father's Republican Party."
Joe Biden
As an ideological sampling the questions were fair. Your right, they weren't issues questions really except the ones involving sex (abortion, gays, sex ed., etc) and those always are cross-over to morality ideological issues.
I believe the poll is fairly accurate. Then again I am in the South in a fairly conservative area (aka conservative but not secessionist) and I know quite a few secessionist and hardcore religious right as well as "the south will rise again" types. So, at least down here ya'll ... yep that's us.
Old timers in Picken's County SC still will tell you they never "reseceeded" to the union. :) Back when I was there I had: truck, dog, gun, often barefoot. Been there, done that.
Now if they can correlate this with say FOX viewing by county or some other stat I'd be curious.
42 percent of the respondents WERE from the south.I would consider this a clue.
....the fools do not realize,a population that can ,..... not paticipate .............in the 'economy'...,can not keep it viable!..........."we are listening,.......and we're not blind.,......this is your life....this is your time."
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LANCASTER -- The mayor of Lancaster is being criticized for urging residents in his high desert town to help "grow a Christian community."
Study the symptoms not the virus...
I am questioning the motivation. 100% of droolers drool. So?
"Folks, this is not your father's Republican Party."
Joe Biden
If only a small portion of the right are strong ideologues, then the President's position of negotiation is reasonable. If not, then his goal is unreasonable.
I'd say, down here, at least 50% of those still card-carrying are ideologues. Add that to the historically good party discipline of the Republicans (which despite Teabag Party - discipline is still strong in D.C.) and I'd say, looking at it from where I sit, I have only one thing to say to Obama on the negotiation tactic:
Good luck with that!
In the meantime you have the left going: "If I'd wanted a health care plan that could have been written by a Republican, I'd have voted for a Republican". Heh.
a better rationale than the ones they asked.
Agree or disagree: It is better for Republicans to oppose
any health care bill in this Congress than to modify the proposal being considered now.
Would you favor or oppose a plan which allowed people the option of buying their insurance from Medicare before they turn 65?
Do you believe there need to be stronger laws to prevent
the kind of bad financial practices which led to the recent financial crisis on Wall Street?
Agree or disagree, there should be few restrictions on how banks can invest the money deposited with them by customers.
These are a half hearted (or thought through) attempt,
but they are aimed at seeing if there is any issue where they show some thought other than asking "red meat" questions designed to solicit an already predictable response.
By the way, if you asked the mythical sample of self identified "real progressives" I joked about earlier
the question "Agree or disagree, the Obama administration
should have vigorously prosecuted President Bush for crimes
committed in the war on terror" you would probably have
conservatives saying the results proved one third of progressives are sane.
"Folks, this is not your father's Republican Party."
Joe Biden
You could get conservatives to say yes to those questions (barring #1) but if the follow-up would be:
Would you support legislation by Obama's administration to do that and they will say: No, he should be impeached.
Or on Medicare buy-in, they will say something like: "Yes, but only if it's flaws are fixed *and* it becomes fully privatized non-regulated insurance." Fixing it's flaws is valid but there is obviously something missing here.
I have *had* that discussion! So, I'm familiar with how it goes.
One of my friends floored me by saying she wanted more done on health care, and troops out of Afghanistan (she is quite conservative). She also wants Obama impeached, yesterday would be too late. But that has nothing to do with his actions on healthcare and Afghanistan, it is because he is an evil socialist foreigner ruining our country!
Nah, those are the right questions.
And sure, there are parts of the left with no interest in compromise as well. Perhaps we should poll for that percentage?
When Tennessee seceded from the Union, Scott County seceded from Tennessee. The county was too poor for anyone else to claim, and too feisty for anyone to want, bless them.
Therefore, subject line, a cause we might be able to get even hardened bigots to support.
If we end their careers we can fix America.
republicanism/conservatism is a mental illness!
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/comment/p...
A visual breakdown of the Republican Party:
http://people.lett.unitn.it/riley/images/dirt...
Anyone here startled ? I certainly am not , it's about what I would expect from the imbeciles that still support the Repug party ."very few questions on substantive topics" Ricky my man , we are talking about a poll of Fox / Limbaugh brainwashed Repubs here , mental midgets , pea brains , what would be the point ? For them this poll was of substance .
"The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all."
I mean, most of the people in this country believe a dead man came back to life 2000 years ago, floated up to heaven, and cares about everything that happens in their life. Believing that Obama was born in Africa seems pretty credible compared to that.
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"Folks, this is not your father's Republican Party."
Joe Biden
until I remembered that the respondents were "self identified republicans"
and anyone who admits being a republican will believe anything!
This is why bipartisanship is a bad idea at this time. In the future things might change but for now i see no alternative but to proceed without the approval of every Republican.
BTW - did i mention lately that John McCain = naked hypocrisy for personal gain?
His opinion means nothing.
That John McCain has many McMansions?
His opinion means nothing.
That John McCain still thinks that he should be president? WFT?
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Meghan McCain saying "In my Father's house there are many McMansions".
McCain lost the election on the corruption issue, not on race. Rolling Stone was the gamechanger on this one--inexperience looked darned good compared to McCain's record.
Well. That must be why McCain lost the election. What was their campaign slogan..."Country First"?
"This is why bipartisanship is a bad idea at this time" , man you got that right ape man , not only is it a bad idea it's impossible given the Repugs . This is what drives me friggin berserk , where is the end of the rope for Obama and his advisers ? Is the rope endlesss ? Sure looks that way and if there is no line and no last straw Obama's Presidency is going to last one term and be an absolute joke . I'd hoped Obama slapping the Repugs and the traitors / saboteurs on the Supreme court up side the head publicly in the State of the union address and then in their house was a signal , the last straw , finally the end of Obama's patience but I'm not holding my breath . I'm afraid Obama is another Mother Teresa , admirable but that just doesn't work in politics especially against today's Repugnants .No way / no how .
"The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all."
"Mother Teresa" would have been against HCR and passionately in favor of The Stupak Amendment?
Her heart was in the right place... I'll leave it at that.
Study the symptoms not the virus...
But my favorite is that about a quarter of them want to secede from the US. Do us a favor and move on that one.
No shit. Go already.
will corporate America: the military industrial complex, the Fed, Monsanto and the health insurance companies go with them? If not, maybe I will.
Baby with the bathwater?
Study the symptoms not the virus...
Maybe I won't. :)
Once the slaveholder wannabes conscript a bunch of methbrained welfaristas and have half their household possessions and work equipment stolen and fenced, and the other half destroyed through incompetence, and after a few airports are bombed into the Stone Age by anti-Semitics, they will be begging the good ol' US of A to take them back, baby.
I feel so sorry for all you aware American boys and girls having to deal with all that stupidity. The latest jaw dropper for me was the union vote for the corporatist stripper/senator. Our stupids in Canada havent been organized effectivly by our sociapath elites as yet. We are so lucky.
Your institutions are no longer representing the peoples interests. If you want a voice take to the street. In France the elites cant run roughshod over their people because the nation has the cahones to take to the street. In America you go shopping.
they told us shopping was our patriotic duty after 9/11!
The medium is the message and Americans do what their televisions tell them to do:
Sit down
Shut up
Consume
A friend of mine says, "I do what my Glowing Rectangular God tells me to do."
and beyond stupid.
The president has the power to appoint people to the Federal Communications Commission who will do their job.
It's obvious from this poll that the media is literally controlling the minds of Americans. It's propaganda. It's thought control. Worst of all, it's flat-out lies.
What can the FCC do? What CAN'T they do, is the more appropriate question.
They can require ANY channel labeled NEWS to run ACTUAL NEWS 75 or 80% of the time.
They can require Fox News to put a big "OPINION" sign in front of every program that consists of opinion (as Keith Olbermann does voluntarily with his Special Comments).
They can require Fox News to back up its claims with proof. How about that?
They can BREAK UP THE MASSIVE CONGLOMERATES, so the right can't coordinate its message and actually has to compete in the free market.
Damn it, don't you guys get it? The government isn't in control, the corporations are. And until you USE THE POWERS GOVERNMENT DOES HAVE to reign in that power, the Republicans will always be in control. Even when they're in the minority.
Me and my husband were contemplating a move back to the USA. No sale, we'll take our chances with the Tories.
Instead of the Groundhog seeing his shawdow, I wish Obama and the Dems would wake up and see their balls and issue a massive FUCK YOU to the Republicans, the Tea Baggers and Fox News.
Propaganda works. And on the hour, dog bites man.
Too bad Obama is such a bipartisan "pragmatist" and the Democrats aren't willing to provide a vision for America that the people can rally around beyond "change!" and "first-best!"
it's going to be hard not to ask those I meet who self-identify as Republicans what type of nutjob they are.
Republicans should be forced to migrate to Texas. Then we should wall them off.
We need a migration plan. The handful of liberals and GLTB people have to be allowed to leave, or they will end up in political prisons. NASA will have to demolish their site and start over somewhere else. Texas also has coastal oil refineries.
It may be easier to give them the Carolinas. Fewer federal sites.
And we already have many military bases, Blackwater (Xe, whatever), Bob Jones U., even the Citadel to replace West Point. And lots of nuclear power! We're set.
Actually, not NC. The two big metro areas in NC are very democratic, and are starting to outnumber the others. This is driven in part by Research Triangle Park being "Silicon Valley East #2" (after Mass. area) with lots of those liberalizing universities, and Charlotte being a financial hub. Many yankees and well-educated foreign-born tech workers have moved in there in the last 20 years, they also lean liberal. No surprise the state trended Dem. last time, both state houses are Dem. controlled. So back that bus up out of NC.
SC though, they are ahead of you!
http://christianexodus.org/
(this is a link you should at least scan)
Bonus, they have DeMint in their pockets, and started on that secession thing a few years back, so they have a nice head start. DeMint can be president. This area and the panhandle of Florida should actually go together. Ideologically they are trying to out-conservative each-other right now. Only problem is they aren't contiguous. Maybe southern GA and southern AL can join the party?
New Federal budget gives Sequoyah Nuclear Power Plant, outside Chattanooga, the budget and authority to refine tritium for nuclear weapons. Such weapons-grade tritium already is being refined at Watts Bar, north of the Monkey Trial's Dayton, and yes, this is the nuclear plant where my longtime acquaintance the schizophrenic works.
Do you really want these people seceding with nukes in hand? Think a little, please.
Excuse me, but I'M in Texas.
And you're not about to imprison me in here with every GOP buffoon in the country!
* There are two types of Republicans: millionaires and suckers.
"Mugsy's Rap Sheet": Recording history for those who seek to rewrite it.
Ditto.
I think I'll vote in the Texas republican primaries for governor this year.
Write in Steve Urkel.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
If this poll is accurate, our days as a democratic, secular republic are numbered.
Osama bin Ladin has most certainly "won" - if indeed, he had anything to do with 9-11.
The KOS Poll omits the most important question:
"Level of education:"
I GUARANTEE you, the dumber they are, the more extreme their views, and the majority of Republicans would not be college educated.
* There are two types of Republicans: millionaires and suckers.
"Mugsy's Rap Sheet": Recording history for those who seek to rewrite it.
wrong spot!
of Americans self identify as Repubs ? I thought most of the more intelligent ones are now independents though they still don't seem to understand independent thought.
My first piece of evidence is from Jonathan Turley, April 2009:
U.N. special rapporteur Manfred Nowak has gone public with a stinging indictment of President Barack Obama’s failure to investigate and prosecute officials for the American torture program, a clear war crime under existing treaties. Obama is in open violation of international law due to his failure to uphold the clear legal and moral obligations of this country.
For many months, I have been received a great deal of flak over this very same point (here and here: that Obama is in clear violation of international law. Nowak has now added a much more significant voice to the call for investigation and prosecution: “The United States, like all other states that are part of the U.N. convention against torture, is committed to conducting criminal investigations of torture and to bringing all persons against whom there is sound evidence to court.”
Full and unedited:
http://jonathanturley.org/2009/04/19/united-n...
From Glenn Greenwald, May 2009:
"...Last month, when I (Greenwald) interviewed Mohamed's lawyer, Clive Stafford Smith, he made clear just how grave of an act -- a crime -- such threats are, but nonetheless expressed hope that the Obama administration would repudiate those threats:
On the other hand, it is clear that there has now been a threat, and indeed the judges say eight times in the latest opinion, that the British government was threatened with sanctions if they were to release evidence of torture. And this needs to be put into perspective. Actually covering up evidence of torture is a criminal offense for which you can go to prison here in Britain, and I imagine in the US but I'm not quite sure about that. And the idea that the British government would conspire with the US or be threatened by the US to do this is again an independent violation of the law. . . .
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Full and unedited at:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/0...
From Andrew Sullivan, May 13, 2009:
In what can only be seen as a stunning reversal, the president is now refusing to release photographs that would help prove that the abuse and torture techniques revealed at Abu Ghraib were endemic in the Bush military. I can't help but wonder if this is related to his decision to appoint Stanley McChrystal as the commander of his Afghanistan war and occupation. There is solid evidence that McChrystal played an active part in enabling torture in Iraq, and his activities in charge of many secret special operations almost certainly involved condoning acts that might be illustrated by these photos. The MSM has, of course, failed to mention this in their fawning profiles of McChrystal.
Slowly but surely, Obama is owning the cover-up of his predcessors' war crimes. But covering up war crimes, refusing to proscute them, promoting those associated with them, and suppressing evidence of them are themselves violations of Geneva and the UN Convention.
Full and unedited at:
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_dai...
From Matthew Rothschild, The Progressive:
Barack Obama is fast becoming an accessory after the fact to the war crimes that the Bush Administration has committed.
By not prosecuting the torturers and those who ordered the torture, and now by not even going public with the photo tortures he'd already agreed to release, Obama is doing Dick Cheney's business for him.
(snip)
The statute says: "Whoever, knowing that an offense has been committed, receives, relieves, comforts or assists the offender in order to hinder or prevent his apprehension, trial or punishment, is an accessory after the fact."
Obama is relieving, comforting and assisting all those who tortured and countenanced torture.
He is staining himself with the crimes of his predecessor. And that's a crime.
Full and unedted at:
http://www.progressive.org/wx051409.html
From Richard Sharp, Dec. 2009:
One promise Mr. Obama did not make was to halt the illegal violations of other nations’ sovereignty that occur with every drone missile attack, attacks where innocent civilians are the victims anywhere from 30-90% of the time (depending on whom one believes). These attacks in Iraq and Afghanistan (and Palestine) are commonplace but the ones in Pakistan are by far the more dangerous.
In fact, Mr. Obama has beaten George Bush’s record for authorizations in a single year. Every time he does so, he is in breach of the UN Charter:
Article 1
The Purposes of the United Nations are:
1. To maintain international peace and security, and to that end: to take effective collective measures for the prevention and removal of threats to the peace, and for the suppression of acts of aggression or other breaches of the peace, and to bring about by peaceful means, and in conformity with the principles of justice and international law, adjustment or settlement of international disputes or situations which might lead to a breach of the peace….
Article 2
The Organization and its Members, in pursuit of the Purposes stated in Article 1, shall act in accordance with the following Principles.
1. The Organization is based on the principle of the sovereign equality of all its Members…..
3. All Members shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered.
4. All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state…."
There are three, maybe four exceptions to the prohibition against attacking other countries: 1) Pakistan attacked the US; 2) Pakistan invited the US to attack; 3) Pakistan is a failed state (no government); or 4) the attacks are under UN auspices to prevent genocide. None of these are applicable.
Full and unedited at:
http://smirkingchimp.com/thread/25354
Government is broken. The GOP is working hard to make sure of that. It's a lot easier to screw everything up and then point and say, "Look, we were right. It IS broken!" in an election campaign than it is to do actual hard work and try to run on a record of accomplishments. This way they don't have to do anything but play spoilers.
Until when they are in charge and then it switches to "We're fixing government!" while they destroy just a little more. And the government gets a little worse. And they say it needs more of their assistance. And their voters believe them.
About 39 percent of Republicans think Obama should be impeached, (because he's black) and 29 percent aren't sure. This might be because 63 percent think he's a socialist,(because he's black) and only 42 percent think he was born in the United States (because he's black).
More than 50 percent of Republicans think Sarah Palin is better qualified than Barack Obama to be president (because she's not black) About 24 percent believe Obama wants the terrorists to win, (because he's muslim) and 21 percent think Acorn stole the 2008 election (55 percent aren't sure)(because no way no how, a black man could have won the WH) . A solid 31 percent think Obama is "a racist who hates white people" (because he's half white and a masochist) and -- the coup de grace -- 23 percent think their state should secede from the United States.(the only smart idea they've ever had).
Dodd told Obama to stop being so ambitious in terms of the banking regulations. He would never have said that to a white president.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/120764/conservativ...
The Gallup poll taken twice in 2009 shows over 55% of Republicans in favor of gays in the military. The Research 2000 poll has some explaining to do.
Not to those of us who live amongst these morons and cretons. They are every bit as stupid as the politicians they elect to represent them. I live in Paul Broun's district in Georgia, I know how stupid these people are. Now the rest of the nation knows what we in the red states have known for years, these are not the brightest bulbs on the tree. Thank God we were able to overcome the South and its stupidity in electing a new congress and president.
The real reason that interbreeding was resented is that it introduced some hybrid vigor into an inbred and degraded gene pool. Now that travel is affordable to so many, we've spread our stupidity all over the nation. Thanks for hanging in, madprogressive, it takes guts.
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