Countdown: Jack Rice on Whether We Can Trust the CIA
Former CIA agent Jack Rice weighs in on whether we can trust the CIA and on the politics being played over the release of CIA torture briefings. Marcy Wheeler got a well deserved kudos from Keith for her work at Firedoglake on the subject.
Olbermann: On the torture briefings themselves, Hoekstra who has joined the chorus of anti-Pelosi outrage, Hoekstra himself says the CIA memo alleging that Pelosi was told about torture is wrong. "Our records suggest there may have been a few additional briefings" he wrote to the CIA in a letter released yesterday. And that's not even the only new question about the memo. Congressman David Obey revealed that the memo revealed that the memo names an appropriations committee aide as present at one briefing when the aide recalls being told he was not cleared to stay there.
This means he joins Democrats Jay Rockefeller and Bob Graham who have also questioned the memos accuracy in terms of dates and time.
And then there are the memo's self-apparent problems: No record of who gave at least seven briefings. Not quite sure when John McCain got briefed - late October. Not sure who the O'Keefe guy was who got the top-secret briefing...Michael?
And as journalist Marcy Wheeler points out, according to the CIA, Congressman Porter Goss got a briefing on March 8, 2005, even though he was not only no longer a congressman at the time, he was the director of the CIA.
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Alright, Iran had nukes or had them, Iraq had WMD's and ties to al Qaeda, the Soviet Union would last into the 21st century, Nancy Pelosi was briefed about the term EIT's in 2002 even though the term was not used until 2006, and Porter Goss was the Director of the CIA. Which one of these things is not like the others?
is supposed to have integrity?
oh snap!
Some stuff you can't make up!
a roomful of analysts in Virginia are reviewing recordings of the sound of that snap and its security implications. Boehner will be briefed tomorrow.
"The deal has to be negotiated in the real world, not on some idealized Aristotelian plane. We understand that. A 100-percent deal may be impossible."
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About as far as you can throw 'em!
The question is not whether the CIA can be trusted, it is whether those setting policy for CIA action can be. They are still touting the deposing of Iran's Prime Minister and parliament in 1953 as a success.
And forget the CIA, it is just the "public" arm of covert operations. The real power is with the NSA and "black" agencies you have never heard of (and never will).
I'm sure the unwitting subjects of the CIA's secret 1960's LSD experiments might beg to differ on that question.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
since the Ike admin.
Take everybody down except the black hatters is their motto.
"Let's talk dirty to the animals"
and THAT is why Kennedy was killed.
Jack Kennedy did more in one year to limit the power of the covert agencies than any other President. He saw the potential danger to American values that they represented.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
Yeh, it pissed off Pappy enough to murder Kennedy for it. It was Pappy's playground and he didn't want any interference with his FASCIST PLAN for our future. That's when Cheney became his side-kick.
Fuck HW, his day is over.
Politics is for the present, but an equation is for eternity. Albert Einstein
"The C.I.A should be torn into a thousand pieces and scattered to the winds".
That crack might have ruffled a few spooky feathers.
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
Both Bush's couldn't hold his jock.
It was MASSIVE i tell ya...massive...just ask the ladies. ;o)
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
Didn't they also lie to people living in zones of high radiation as to whether there was harm or not to see what the results would be?
I'm not sure of this one, but it might've happened around the atomic bomb testing sites.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
at the Nevada test site, and at Hanford, WA where the reactors were started in 1944.
Both my parents worked at Hanford in the 1940's. They were sworn to secrecy and did not know what each other did. Dad was a super in the plumbing dept. and mom was a telex operator.
"Let's talk dirty to the animals"
Did you have a three-eyed fish goldfish named Blinky?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
named Stumpy.
"Let's talk dirty to the animals"
than Lucky.
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was named Sadie, after a JA Jance character.
"Let's talk dirty to the animals"
I once had a four legged dog named Lucky. Did I make a mistake in naming him?
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
and it is a she. It is no mistake. We have both proven many times we are unAmerican.
"The deal has to be negotiated in the real world, not on some idealized Aristotelian plane. We understand that. A 100-percent deal may be impossible."
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Since Lucky has been dead for about 15 years I guess there is nothing I can do now to correct my unAmerican mistake. Guess I just gotta live with it.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
You still remember him fondly and
he is still on the Homeland Security No Fly list.
"The deal has to be negotiated in the real world, not on some idealized Aristotelian plane. We understand that. A 100-percent deal may be impossible."
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Stinky Pete.
or Tripod
have a PhD in physics or astronomy and use telescopes.
"The deal has to be negotiated in the real world, not on some idealized Aristotelian plane. We understand that. A 100-percent deal may be impossible."
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Or perhaps a surveyor.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Move along. The poop on the thread is being removed by agents and will no longer be a diversion from your righteous indignation.
"The deal has to be negotiated in the real world, not on some idealized Aristotelian plane. We understand that. A 100-percent deal may be impossible."
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the CIA though?
was involved in the Nevada test site as discovered by lawsuits filed by the "downwinders". The cover of secrecy is still in place, although it was proved by discovery that the CIA was part of the coverup.
"Let's talk dirty to the animals"
by politicizing the CIA and the Justice Department (and I have to believe the NSA as well), GW Bush has done more damage to the liberty and freedom of Americans than Al Quada or any other terrorist group could ever do.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
Where was the republican love for the CIA when Valerie Plame was outted? I don't remember them raising hell about that at the time or even later. Many of them even refused to believe she was a covert agent.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
and are very good at it. "Which cup has the ball underneath it"? You can't win when the game is rigged.
"Let's talk dirty to the animals"
Where was Liberalicious when Plame was outed. Or did he do it?
"The deal has to be negotiated in the real world, not on some idealized Aristotelian plane. We understand that. A 100-percent deal may be impossible."
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Yes the Draft Dodging Racist Nzi Committee (RNC) is at it again the COWARDS of America the DRAFT DODGERS yes they wrap themselves in the Flag and use the you are either with uis or against us phrasing these low life scum and trash who twist lie and manipulate.\
Funny how thw rhummy eye IDIOT made the same claims awhile back DUH! it was being store bought patriotic.
Do the Racist Nazi Committee (RNC) of A merica EVER put America first or is it always about the destruction of America and its social corporate interest.
The CIA briefed Senator John Kennedy on German plans to use the Hydrogen bomb back in 1944. It is why they assassinated him.
"The deal has to be negotiated in the real world, not on some idealized Aristotelian plane. We understand that. A 100-percent deal may be impossible."
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disaster, JFK never did trust the CIA.
"Let's talk dirty to the animals"
in which then Vice President Kennedy and his aide Mary Jo were briefed about the Russian visit to the moon in 1967 and Kennedy expressed comnplete confidenced in the CIA and DOI.
"The deal has to be negotiated in the real world, not on some idealized Aristotelian plane. We understand that. A 100-percent deal may be impossible."
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Who would 'trust" the CIA to do anything except look after its own interests, which obviously include self-preservation?
The CIA will lie to Congress. It is an agency of the Executive. Its loyalties are to the Executive (the Country? It is to LAUGH!).
for an agency that is supposed to be precise and meticulous they keep some pretty pathetic records. I doubt anyone will get them to be truthful about anything.
They only make things up or get things wrong.
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has been in the hip pocket of the Bush cabal for over 50 years.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
I found this today while searching for something else. (isn't that the way it always works out?) A book titled "Legacy of Ashes". It was written in 2007. It's a history of the CIA. The author of the book won an award for this book. You can read a review about "Legacy of Ashes" here.
The agency has had it's problems and the author tells it straight.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
if we had an open dialogue with Hugo Chavez.
Oil Company, CITGO. Will that do?
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... documented in The Puzzle Palace by James Bamford.
it sucked. Why? The freakin' NSA is the most covert of operations. How can you write a book about something that no one provides insight into.
It was speculation at best and fantasy at worst.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
by
The Republican Party
Works every time.
Colbert has the perfect answer for the Republican party trying to name the dems something that will be bad for the party. He thinks the repubs should rename the dems, The Republican party
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
He got tired of being the party of anti.
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Didn't the Federalists do something like that back in the day??? I'm Canadian and my full U.S. history may be lacking, but I thought they named themselves the Federalists even though they didn't want a Federation, since most people did and would associate with the name and get them more votes...
I have worked in the corporate world and have done my fair share of committee meetings for volunteer organizations. And usually, when an important meeting ever took place, a simple sheet of paper was passed around for the people in attendance to sign indicating their presence at the meeting. Especially if proprietary information was being discussed. That paper was then filed with the minutes of the meeting. Crikey! I am stunned that the CIA can be such poor record keepers.
Only when the last tree has died
and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught
will we realize we cannot eat money.
Volunteer organizations are held to a much higher standard than corporations and secret government agencies. Gotta watch out for those dangerous volunteers!
I think it is classic Neocon "fuck up by design" practice. These briefings were set-up for the purpose to frustrate people so much so it was hard to tell which end is up.
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Diabolus est Deus Inversus
these "records" just exemplify how well they do their job; afterall, sending out disinformation is what they do best. this was a purposeful oversight, and now they are using it on the american people. funny how what we do overseas finally happens at home, this is our "blowback".
No argument here. Speaking of blowback, I live in MN and the wind has been blowing like crazy for the last 3 days!
Of course they are misleading Congress. I doubt if they tell any president (whoever is president at the time) everything they are doing. The head of the CIA probably doesn't know everything. Wheels within wheels.
Just talking about this means that the Republicans have succeeded in getting the focus off of Cheney and how the whole torture thing started.
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