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The resignation of Van Jones was a "loss for the country," according to Gov. Howard Dean. "I think he was brought down," Dean told Fox News' Chris Wallace.

John Amato:

Howard Dean said he spoke to Van Jones and said...

Well, he was told by the people waving clip boards around that he was signing something else and I think that's too bad.

Digby writes:

I would hope that these leftist extremists like Color of Change will think twice before they go after an upstanding company like FOX News because the lesson here is that somebody is going to pay a big price for doing it. In fact, it probably would pay to keep a close eye on the FOX gasbags from now on to get an idea of which groups or individuals have offended the network and get rid of them before anyone has a chance to make a public stink. It would save everyone a lot of time and trouble.

We have members in the Republican party like the Michelle Bachmann's that say and do insane things all day long, but they just get a pat on the back from the media and say thank you, may I have another.

The Washington Post actually let a little truth slip into their article about the FOX witch hunt.

But there's more to this story than just the usual Lani Guanier human sacrifice ritual:

Fox News Channel host Glenn Beck all but declared war on Jones after a group the adviser founded in 2005, ColorofChange.org, led an advertising boycott against Beck's show to protest his claim that Obama is a racist.

This is yet another example of Fox News annihilation strategy against anyone who criticizes them. And it works.

It's kind of ironic that they constantly accuse Obama of being a "Chicago" politician when it Roger Ailes who adheres to the classic dictum from The Untouchables:

Malone: You wanna know how to get Capone? They pull a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue. *That's* the *Chicago* way!

Murdoch and Ailes have made it quite clear that if you mess with Fox they will unleash the crazies. They're taking Van Jones' scalp to send that message. He won't be the last. It's not a coincidence that the Washington Post put this surprisingly insightful paragraph far down in the story. In fact, I'm a bit surprised they let it slip through at all.

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spirittoo's picture

I'm not even believing this ... correct me if I'm wrong but ... you mean this guy resigned because he signed a 911 petition for a real investigation? If this is the case it shows how desperate they have become to cover up what really happen that day.

Or maybe because he admitted he signed it without even reading it. What a stupid defense. I hear this defense more and more.....But, But I never read it. Is that someone you want working for you?

Pete2069's picture

We let the news media , republicans and the democrat-republicans stop us from electing Dean as our President..
Look what they used to cut Dean when he was in front of the others..
The corporate republican news media play 24/7 Dean's excitement and loud yelling to imprint him as an irrational person which should not be elected..
This coming from the corporate-republican news media after over 7 years of the biggest two a..holes in office ,,which created the most devastating disaster to our democracy , economy, military , bill of rights and laws in our history....And they censored and protected just about every one of his criminal crimes..


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savannah43's picture

Yawn.

chicano2nd's picture
You

into blaming victims much?

Abbybwood's picture

Van Jones tries to say that he signed his name to something he never read. As Rick Shaw states above, "is that someone you want working for you?" Great point.

But here's what's worse to me. Van Jones is probably a LIAR as well. He not only DID he probably read the petition and sign it, I'll bet he had conversations with the petition gatherers and more. He's made plenty of comments in the past that are very controversial, so I don't doubt for a nanosecond that he knew exactly what he was signing.

Oh yeah, and too bad he's a coward as well.


"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn

Sticksman's picture

Let's at least be honest about things. I'm sure he signed the petition knowingly. Who has ever just signed something unknowingly? It's absurd. It's another way of dismissing the evidence of 911 truth. What's pathetic is that this argument is framed by the defenders of the 'official story' and the people trying desperately to show they're not conspiracy theorists instead of looking at the facts. The official 911 report leaves far too much unanswered for it to be the complete story.

chicano2nd's picture

you are way off base on this one. Sometime you can sound reasonable but your not here!

Pete2069's picture

Just what party is really running the democrat party. It certainly are not real democrats which give a d... about you and me..
I have never in my whole life seen such gutless , spineless group of democrats in my whole d... life..

They are the example of who we SHOULD NOT vote for.. But just wait till election time and we will not have selected another candidate to run against them in the democratic primary and they will be there running in the general elects with the hands still out to these Global Empires.

But the Republicans will no longer care (too Much) about what candidate wins in the general election.. Because it will be a win-win for them ,,, they will have a republican running on the republican ticket and a republicans running as a democrat (blue dog) on the democrat ticket.

This is one of the best corrupted schemes that a person like ROVE could have thought of ,,, is this not right Emanuel...


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Johnny2Bad's picture

Look...Jones said stupid things (not that I don't agree but they were politically deadly) and signed a Truther petition (maybe without reading it.) Jeez.

1.) The administration never should have appointed him in the first place. More trouble than he's worth.

2.) But after that they should have pulled a "WWRD" (What Would Rove Do?) and said...."Jonesy...You're doin a heck of a job."

In other words f#@k Fox News.


"I can't keep doing this on my own with these...people."

Pete2069's picture

Were bonified , honest & smart persons with morals and our concerns and good will in their heart..

Now tell me another bed time story...

While I wonder why in the h... Obama and the democrats are censoring their criminal crimes and destruction (the list is to big to print) while refusing to let an open and transparent investigation and prosecution for the crimes they have even confessed to publicly.

Attorney general Mukasey of Bush , introduced and voted for by Schumer and Feinstein stated ...
ALL CRIMES ARE NOT CRIMES TO BE PUNISHED...
PRESIDENT BUSH CAN DO ANYTHING HE WISHES...
Tell me more about these coward and spineless republican-democrats we have elected to office to legislate and enforce laws for the protection of our country and citizens...


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BenjaminFranklin's picture

They don't have a heart or soul, but they have a pocketbook, which is what really matters to them. Find their advertisers' websites, use their e-mail addresses or e-mail forms, and tell them you're boycotting their products because they are supporting Fox News' racist hate speech with their advertising dollars.

http://www.democrats.com/boycott-fox-news-adv...

Here are the Fox News advertisers:

Accu-Chek (Roche)
Bosley.com
BuyWaterJet.com
CancerCenter.com
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Consumer Debt
Cooney & Conway
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ExploreHumana.com
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Inhalerette
Johnson Law Group
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LearCapital.com
LibertyMedical.com
Merit Financial
NecklineSlimmer.com
OxiClean
Pearle Vision
PulaskiLawFirm.com
Rosland Capital
ServPro.com
SmartBalance
TDAmeritrade
The Villages
VeteranMeso.com
Video Professor
ZeroWater.com


Alan Grayson for President, Elizabeth Warren for Vice President, and Paul Krugman for Secretary of the Treasury!

Bigmama's picture

Fox News as well. What about investigations into the people who run Fox News? Who gave them money, who did they give money to, what organizations to various individuals belong to, who are the pedophiles, etc.

It's time to blow Fox News out of the water and all the shitheads with them!!!!

most people. As long as Dems are in office, and the GOP is actually running things, the GOP has all the rights of power with none of the responsibilities. Sound familiar? They are so far ahead of us.

Alice X - Chomsky Nader's picture

Declare a Van Jones day, we best all be communists now.

Choose your words carefully because Words Matter!

It isn't free enterprise, or a free market, it is enterprise and markets RIGGED for the PLUTOCRATS.

It isn't the Private Sector, it is the CORPORATE SECTOR.

It isn't free trade, it is trade RIGGED to benefit the TOTALITARIAN TRANS NATIONAL CORPORATIONS.

Choose your words carefully.

David Sirota here

First and foremost, Jones was one of the only movement progressives in a policymaking position in the Obama White House.


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proudlyprogressive's picture

This is horrible! Now, can people see why I've been ragging about Rahm???? Dr. Howard Dean is unacceptable to Rahm, too. It's over! The JUNTA feels secure now, nice job Rahm.

Pete2069's picture

Is an arrogant , decetful person and I personal do not even consider him a democrat..
Rahm with his recruiting and supporting of republicans to run on the democratic ticket has done more destruction to our party then Rove has in the previous 8+ years..


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Pete2069's picture

Any progressive is easy for Emanuel or Obama to throw under the bus..

They must be part of the blue dog republicans...

If I have my way Obama , Emanuel , Blues dogs and some of the centrists will be thrown under the bus in the 2010 election...

I no longer believe Obama or Emanuel has the interest of the working class at heart.

They attack progressives while they protect the hand full of blue dogs.
Do democrats remember right after the election in 2006 ,,, Bush call only all the blue dogs into his office for a PRIVATE meetings.. If this does not tell democrats what side of the fence they are on then they are in the wrong party...
Seven Blue Dogs on the House Energy and Commerce Committee drafted amendments that they’ll co-sponsor in the committee markup. Rep. Mike Ross (D-Ark.), the Blue Dogs’ point man on healthcare, says if those changes aren’t accepted, "they’ll vote down the bill."

Yet """7"""" blue dogs band together and threading to vote a bill down and of course who does Obama and Emanuel attack the progressive and tell them to get in line... I say BS to Obama and Emanuel and the blue dogs.. Democrats need a dog roasting party and all blue dogs are invited..

So what do we have 7 to 20 persons running the democrat's policies..


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I agree with another poster here that Jones threw himself under the bus. He never belonged there in the first place with prior involvement with such communist-oriented groups as STORM who initially included anarchists, communists and revolutionary nationalists and considered Mao Zedong as their spiritual leader. I score this as a win for America and good riddance.

Alice X - Chomsky Nader's picture

When you talk about Organization Communists, you best capitalize the word Communist so as to not give communal thinkers in general an undeserved association.

The people who might describe themselves as anarchists are another group who have been mis described, intentionally by the Corporatists who have hijacked the English language.

Describing an organization of Anarchists would be the ultimate irony.

Words matter.


statusquObama, change you can only pretend in

But they do deserve the association. nomen est omen

Alice X - Chomsky Nader's picture

Vincit omnia veritas

If your political analysis goes only as far the name, you have succumbed completely to the dog whistle that Glenn Beck and his ilk blow for their followers.

Are you one?

We have had sixty years of anti-social propaganda courtesy of the National Security State.

The Pavlovian indoctrination has denounced Socialists, Unionists and Communists all in one breath.

More fundamentally, it has denounced any sense of community and commonality.

To that in a farcical and absurd redux Beck throws in the term Nazi in the same paragraph.

For them, words are a dog whistle, as in nomen est omen.

It only IMPLIES that the name is fitting.

REAL THOUGHT would tell you if it is fitting.

CEOs in this country now make as much as 319 times, as of 2008, the amount of their lowest paid worker.

I have an enormous problem with that.

One proposal before congress would limit the amount to 100 times, if the corporation is seeking Federal Money.

A communist would make the number ONE.

I would make the number THREE. I would make minimum wage twenty dollars an hour, maximum wage three times that and we would save enormous amounts in the process.

In 2007 the top ten percent took fifty per cent of the wages. I have a huge problem with that.

I am much closer to the communist than a member of congress.


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savannah43's picture

I would rather be a communist than a corporate shill.

project's picture

Lets kick off imigration reform by sending murdoc's ass back to Oz!
The basic necissities of life should not be owned by foerign powers.
Things like food, water, fuel,roads,public services, should all be controled by the government of the people.
republicanism is a mental illness!

ron's picture

Wall Sreet Journal as a credible source, also owned by Murdoch.

Count me as one of those who has never believed the "official version" of the tragedy from September 11, 2001.....

In my opinion there still has NEVER been a REAL INVESTIGATION into the tragedy of America being "attacked by external forces" on September 11, 2001.

I am still waiting for all the tapes from all the airports showing all the hijackers to be released by the U.S. Government. I am still waiting for this democracy of ours to release and allow all Americans to listen to all the black box recordings from that day as well....

So, I too, have Questions, Questions and more Questions about 9-11-2001!

WizardLeft1's picture

It is perfectly okay and legitimate for Van Jones to have questioned all and anything that the Bush administration led by all their thugs and corporate media fascist allies ever did or said, including the events around the alleged outside attacks against America on September 11, 2001.....

Remember the Rev. Jeremiah Wright once compared the United States of America as the KKK, and was vilified by these very same people.....

Rev Wright, whose views I always have admired and appreciated, was correct then and has proven to be right now....the USA, in fact, is the United States of the KKK!!!!!

Kate's picture

I'll never forget that look in Bush's eyes when the guy bent down to tell him what had happened as Bush was reading a story to the schoolchildren. As soon as I saw that look, it hit me: He knew.

There are just too many coincidences and unexplained facts... I hope I live long enough to find out the truth behind it and, even better, to see the real guilty parties suffer.

Not holding my breath, though...

WizardLeft1's picture

Now, now my boy, asking questions is part of democracy.....

Did the left ever really question the Bushies enough about the "facts" surrounding tragedy that happened on September 11, 2001? My answer---NO!!!!

Van Jones has every right in this democratic form of government to ask Questions, Questions and more Questions about 9-11-2001!

Is America still a democracy? My answer----NO!!!!!!!

ron's picture

supposed to release a second report on 9/11? Where is the media on that?

obsess5's picture

I think he was supposed to investigate and report on the misuse of intelligence in getting us into the Iraq war. He postponed it until after the 2004 election and then we never heard a peep out of him.

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Abbybwood's picture

Hundreds of unanswered questions.

How about releasing ALL the videos that were confiscated from the surrounding areas of The Pentagon within 15 minutes of the "plane" hitting it?


"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn

theWalrus's picture

what do Jones and Obama have in common....hmmmmm....

Welcome to the Racist States of America. The fun's just begun.

Pete2069's picture

What did Bush and his family have in common with Saudi Arabia , Bin Laden and the terrorist on 911.

Why did it happen on HIS administration...

Bin Laden Family Has Intricate Ties With Washington
Saudi Clan Has Had Access To Influential Republicans
http://www.uni-muenster.de/PeaCon/global-text...


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rockermaximus's picture

Bowing down to the Right Wing radio whack jobs and Fox News crazies is a mistake for the Administration. Obama needs to stand up to these fools and get the truth out. The Jones comments may have been slightly over the top, but most likely true. And the truth is what needs to be rewarded. Not lies and smear jobs. I voted for Obama, but he has been a jellyfish. This Adminstration holds all the cards and cant even shuffle the deck.Pathetic.

Kate's picture

RM writes, "I voted for Obama, but he has been a jellyfish."

Ha -- jellyfish will sting if touched.

curtilingus's picture

Look what this jelly fish does when touched.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oPxa3C3iu0

just like giant assholes.

Pete2069's picture

I am no longer sure that Obama or Emanuel are really democrats..
Their policies and actions are telling a different story...


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The only reason he was ever a Democrat was because in Chicago it was the only game in town. Of course, he felt perfectly at home in the Chicago Democratic Party because it is not, and has never been a liberal/progressive institution.


Corruption favors the wealthy.

I'm not sure that most far left liberals are still or ever were for that matter democrats.

Alice X - Chomsky Nader's picture

You again have problems with capitalization and political analysis.

A Democrat is a member of the Democratic party.

A democrat is a person who advocates and believes in democracy.

I AM a democrat, I most certainly NOT a Democrat.

I am a socialist. If I had a party it would be comprised of social democrats. I don't know what it would be called.

It would not be called the Democrats.

For your political edification, liberals are people who are satisfied in the continuation of Capitalism. They seek to mitigate its excesses.

They never get too far left because then they understand that Capitalism cannot be rehabilitated.

It must be replaced.

Now you talking about a leftist.

Here I am, at your service.

I don't propose necessarily to eliminate every vestige of capitalism, only those things that do not work.

Health care is a prime example.

'Financial services' is an area that reeks of hucksterism and should be brought down.

There a number of areas. It is a big topic.


statusquObama, change you can only pretend in

ysbaddaden's picture
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Actually leftist came from the structure of Congress, so whenever the president addresses Congress the Democrats sitting on the left and republicans on the right.

This is particularly so in the Senate, where seats are assigned.


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

Alice X - Chomsky Nader's picture

hahaha

as in "I'm Not a Leftist, But I Play One on TV"

The terms left and right as a political description is generally considered to have originated by the seating of the French National Assembly during the revolution.

I don't cite wiki except occasionally for opinion, so I will here

Your definition would be OK except in our case, most the given chamber would be empty on one side, the left side to be exact.

We have right wingers, and we have ultra right wingers.


statusquObama, change you can only pretend in

ysbaddaden's picture
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Such labels break down easily.

In a Dictorship where there is no other party one can't say they sit left or right since they are the only party.

In some like Iran, they're distinguished between moderate and conservative, with the general consensus that there is no liberal wing.

In England, it's the front-benchers vs the back-benchers, the front being in power.

Most parties in Europe take on the description of the Left in that they support Unionism.

The "right-wing" in many peripheral countries don't support the institutions if they are not the ones running it so they too would totally get rid of the hated institution.

The American Revolution preceded the French, but support for the French Revolution was breaking us down into the first political parties, since initially they tried to avoid that. The Senate Chamber was constructed in 1810, which was during the Napoleonic Wars which pretty much all did not support, although Jefferson backpedaled on his powers of the presidency, in purchasing the Louisiana purchase from Bonaparte, so at that point there would be no deliberate imitation of Napoleonic France.

You're just using warmed over Marxism in his disdain for socialism which he defined as being the petit bourgeoisie.

Now the French may be using the right wing v left wing too, but that's about as relevant as describing a country, like the aforementioned Iran, as a democracy because they have the vote, even though no one runs for election without approval of the ayatollahs first.

What's happening now is distinctions being made within parties so they have their own right and left wing structure.


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

ysbaddaden's picture
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It would be amiss of me to mention that in America and Western Europe the term left has always been held in suspicion. The Latin term for left is sinister, which through hermenutics has come to mean evil or suspicious. So the question becomes, would anyone give themselves such a label, or have it placed on them?

While in the English language the right means both the conservatives as well as having the correct answer, as in, "You have the right answer, Johnny." So even to volunteer for the label left, one is implying that the other side by definition is right, and therefore inherently correct.


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

Alice X - Chomsky Nader's picture

I often like what you say when you put your video links aside but I have you on this one:

You're just using warmed over Marxism in his disdain for socialism which he defined as being the petit bourgeoisie.

Marx's disdain was for 'Liberals', not socialists or socialism.

Marx WAS a socialist.


statusquObama, change you can only pretend in

ysbaddaden's picture
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Marx broke the term Socialism down between the petit bourgeoisie and the Communists, which he considered the true Socialism in the Communist Manifesto. The former he considered the dilletantism of the noblesse oblige.

Socialism itself is a relative term, and your arguments lends into the conservative one that anything that smacks of Socialism is essentially Communism.


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

chicano2nd's picture

wrong with socialism!

ysbaddaden's picture
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I will say this though, the French attempted to spread their Revolution, while the US generally wanted to be left alone. So across areas of Europe, that Napoleon conquered and in the former French colonies, they're more likely to be influenced by the French Revolution.

However, the Europeans were more likely to try to avoid such terms if they had the grievance of a conquered territory, and former colonies might prefer a clean sweep in their political language. But the Americanism might not touch them at all until after World War I and World War II, especially in the areas where the US was actively involved in carving territories, or writing their Constitutions.


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

ysbaddaden's picture
)O(

I wanted to vote for Brian Moore, but he wasn't on the Texas ballot.

Additionally, I was fooled by the news coverage making the election sound closer than it was, and I didn't want to help palin be a heartbeat away.


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

Alice X - Chomsky Nader's picture

Marx wrote the Manifesto on behalf of the Communists who until the revolution of 1848 were not above ground.


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Alice X - Chomsky Nader's picture

My argument is exactly the opposite, one can be a socialist without being a communist.

Most socialists are not communist.

One cannot be a communist without being a socialist.


statusquObama, change you can only pretend in

ysbaddaden's picture
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That's my argument too, but it doesn't help when you echo Marx who held them in contempt as not being "True Believers."


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

Alice X - Chomsky Nader's picture

Such labels break down easily.

Not if applied consistently. The left is for egalitarianism, the right is the maintenance of the status of the rich and the powerful.

In a Dictorship where there is no other party one can't say they sit left or right since they are the only party.

A Dictatorship makes political discourse impossible.

In some like Iran, they're distinguished between moderate and conservative, with the general consensus that there is no liberal wing.

Moderate and conservative are terms that we apply and as such are suspect.

In England, it's the front-benchers vs the back-benchers, the front being in power.

The front benchers are in leadership, the back benchers are not.

The Tories are on one side, Labor is on the other. Both attempt to marginalize the other parties.

Most parties in Europe take on the description of the Left in that they support Unionism.

Unionism as in egalitarianism versus the conservation of the rights of kings, aristocrats or the rich.

The "right-wing" in many peripheral countries don't support the institutions if they are not the ones running it so they too would totally get rid of the hated institution.

I don't know what you mean here.

The American Revolution preceded the French, but support for the French Revolution was breaking us down into the first political parties, since initially they tried to avoid that. The Senate Chamber was constructed in 1810, which was during the Napoleonic Wars which pretty much all did not support, although Jefferson backpedaled on his powers of the presidency, in purchasing the Louisiana purchase from Bonaparte, so at that point there would be no deliberate imitation of Napoleonic France.

The Lousiana purchase was the deal extraordinaire. To borrow the French word.

You're just using warmed over Marxism in his disdain for socialism which he defined as being the petit bourgeoisie.

Already answered.

Now the French may be using the right wing v left wing too, but that's about as relevant as describing a country, like the aforementioned Iran, as a democracy because they have the vote, even though no one runs for election without approval of the ayatollahs first.

We use the term democracy as well yet no wins the national races without the approval of the corporate powers that be.

What's happening now is distinctions being made within parties so they have their own right and left wing structure.

The Democrats and the Republicans represent the two factions of the Party of Privilege and Power. To borrow the words of Woody the Wise.


statusquObama, change you can only pretend in

ysbaddaden's picture
)O(

But the far left can easily become something like the former USSR and North Korea where in both cases they just created a new form of elite structure, and repress everyone else.


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

ysbaddaden's picture
)O(

And Democrats and republicans both have their own version of "true-believers" who suspect and malign others of their own party who don't hold to the same views as being one with "the Enemy."

It's similar to the way many Born Again Christians, use their movement, often a smaller one, against the larger movemeent.


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

ysbaddaden's picture
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I would also say that as for the Democrats being the same as republicans as representing vested interests, my wonder what the world would be like under a President Gore instead of a prentender boosh.

While Communists looked down on the noblesse oblige, I actually think that has helped the Democrats with their Roosevelts and Kennedys, although that may've just been Joseph Kennedy's way of buying respectability.

However, so far, it's only been the reich-wing where we have perots and forbes essentially trying to buy their way to the highest office.


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

Alice X - Chomsky Nader's picture

You are capitalizing the word Communist which makes it a Brand Name.

Those are the ones I watch out for.

It is the communists that I have no problem with.


statusquObama, change you can only pretend in

ysbaddaden's picture
)O(

That's your sloppy terminology again. The names of ideas are commonly capitalized.


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

Alice X - Chomsky Nader's picture

see below


statusquObama, change you can only pretend in

Alice X - Chomsky Nader's picture

You have wandered off the map on this one.

The Republicans and the Democrats who emulate them so well are concerned with the interests of the Rich and Powerful who are their benefactors.

The espouse all sorts of ideology but it is a smoke screen for the advancement of unmitigated self interest.

They say Free Market, they mean rigged market. Rigged in their favor

The Born Again Christians believe that anyone who does not believe as they is bound for hell.


statusquObama, change you can only pretend in

Alice X - Chomsky Nader's picture

That is State Communism.

It is also the exaltation of the 'Great Leader'.

Because they fail to live up to the socialist ideal does not mean the ideal is invalid.

It means that human nature causes altruism to fail in the face of great egos.


statusquObama, change you can only pretend in

ysbaddaden's picture
)O(

The problem is State Communists is a term that can also be broken down, if we're using the term Communism to speak of political as opposed to individual egalitarianism.


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

ysbaddaden's picture
)O(

I gotta skeedaddle, The Terminator is on.


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

Alice X - Chomsky Nader's picture

Ah yes, back to your television.

Watch your brain cells now, the Hollywood Propagandists are afoot.


statusquObama, change you can only pretend in

ysbaddaden's picture
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Because they fail to live up to the (Democratic) ideal does not mean the ideal is invalid.


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

ysbaddaden's picture
)O(

Commercial break

Talk about sloppy terminology. Propaganda is to convince, and Hollywood is to entertain, unless you're calling The Terminator a documentary.


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

Alice X - Chomsky Nader's picture

You have become insulting so I like you very much less, my sometimes intelligent sounding but for the most part tedious and now erstwhile friend.

Commercial break

Talk about sloppy terminology. Propaganda is to convince, and Hollywood is to entertain, unless you're calling The Terminator a documentary.

If it were a genuine documentary, it would by definition, not be propaganda.

Talk about sloppy thinking.

Hollywood is about entertainment, but it is about establishing a world view that will benefit the corporations. It is mind control.

That is the cause.

You will not see people bashing corporations. You WILL see a world of consumerism.

It is propaganda, they do it because they are controlled by trans national corporations.

'propaganda' here

1 capitalized : a congregation of the Roman curia having jurisdiction over missionary territories and related institutions

As an idea and NOT capitalized contrary to you previous assertions:

2 : the spreading of ideas, information, or rumor for the purpose of helping or injuring an institution, a cause, or a person
3 : ideas, facts, or allegations spread deliberately to further one's cause or to damage an opposing cause; also : a public action having such an effect

Take a break from the sexual trash you seem to spend most of your time with and read this:

The Times Online

Hollywood calls — but only if your face fits

The film industry is being stalked by a new McCarthyism that is more dangerous for being so insidious

here

That is one take, there are other more penetrating viewpoints, more time away from your pointless videos:

Chomsky - Necessary Illusions: Thought Control in Democratic Societies 1/6 here

Chomsky on class war here

Parenti on political discourse here

In the Corporate State, propaganda is used everywhere to elimate any thinking of a social nature.

For the Corporations there is nothing but consumerism, anything they are involved with needs to promote that principle. People are not citizens of a country, they are not members of a society, they are not even human beings. They are consumers. That language pervades everywhere. Even on liberal blogs.

The obscene video you foisted upon me yesterday is only another example. The glorification of violence.

And the 'Terminator' glorifies what?

Everything in Radio, Television, the Movies, every medium is subject to this program. Anyone that takes Corporate money is affected.

Hollywood takes all sorts of placement money for every product that you see anywhere in any production. The money comes with lots of strings.

When you sit and watch the trash you are affected.

Show me a big budget socialist movie. Show me where movies on social causes see major syndication. There are only rare exceptions.

This is the land of the corporation, Hollywood is an important component.


statusquObama, change you can only pretend in

ysbaddaden's picture
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Why do you think American Carol bombed, or all those movies about the Iraq war, or the fact that despite everyone carrying guns and acting like survivalists, the Terminator movies have defense contractors and researchers as bad guys?

Fiction is always influenced by the times they appeared in, but that's not the same as advancing those ideas. Movies that try too hard to do so inevitably fail in todays market.

Good try though.


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

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You also forgot the internet.

This site carries advertising for ann colter, rash limpballs, doughy pantload and crybaby beck, because whoever carries the site sold that advertising, whether C&L approves or not.

And for all we know the carrier service (I don't know technogeek), may have aided booshco in data-sweeping etc., or a parent or sibling company did.

So to "give it to the man" you'd have to give up reading all newspapers, magazines, books, music etc., because even if they're liberal, there are corporations helping to advance their pieces, who probably do the same to artists who would enrage us.

Even academic publishers depend on the financing of alumni, and who knows how they came by that money? Maybe they're just doing it for the tax deduction, so they can keep more than they would without the deductions. The government also helps fund education, the very system you seem to abhor.

So are you going to give up Crooks and Liars?

Talk about naivete.


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

chicano2nd's picture

brain-dead!

I guess you have to pick your battles. Health Care has to come first. "Chicken" is the first word that comes to mind. Harry Reid is the second.
Big Balls!

rockermaximus's picture

Another useless Democrat that needs to be run.

Pete2069's picture
Why

Are we not selecting a replacement for ALL these republican-democrats and spineless so called democrats NOW..
We need to select a candidate now ,, so they can receive enough funds and public exposure for the coming democrat primary election..
We know d... well that Emanuel will never let them receive any funds to run against his republican candidates..
Hell who says they have to be a democrat... I would love another independent like Bernie Sanders from Vermont to be elected on the democrat or independent ticket...
Emanuel and the democrats are shi..ings all over us and we are doing nothing to stop it, except bitching...


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Uncle Joe Mccarthy's picture

seriously...stfu

and every administration has to pick its fights...and this wasnt one of them

this guy has said troublesome things throughout his career

but he wasnt in a high cabinet position...he was advising on creating green jobs

big fucking deal

so give it a rest

The Democratic party should have defended Jones (one of their own) against the attacks from Beck and the GOP.

This has the murky fingerprints of Faux all over it, they are peed off over the successful (57 and counting) advertising boycott of Beck, which Jones coincidentally started. Since when did Faux dictate US gov appointments !?

Pete2069's picture

We call these a..holes democrats and give them our money and votes to screw us.
Refresh the party personal starting today...


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savannah43's picture

Why do you ask?

Johnny2Bad's picture

Unka Abides!

Beeutiful.


"I can't keep doing this on my own with these...people."

KWillow's picture

acquire so much power? This horrible man is controlling the government of the USA, and has a big impact on Britain.

That's all it takes: One EVIL person followed by millions of goons, and enabled by the "power elite".

calgarylady's picture

Remember when GHW Bush called Rush Limbaugh to congratulate him on 'his twenty years of important and excellent broadcasting' and, unaware that he was on the air, asked about "our man Ailes"?

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/01/limbaugh-...

The "power elite" are running the show.

Ferrofluid's picture

His News of the World 'reporters' plus with help no doubt from MI5, spied on and built up dossiers on 3000 plus people in UK public/political life, including dissident UK gov members. Gestapo tactics like this is how democracy dies.

Its the J. Edgar Hoover FBI blackmail archives all over again.

blackpolitical's picture

I scarcely believe Van Jones' resignation will be a loss for the country. After Daschle and Geithner's problems in the vetting process, it is incredulous that Van Jones' association with the ridiculous "truther" movement was missed. Sorry, I find it hard to believe that a Yale educated lawyer didn't read in its entirety the petition that he signed. Yes, he has made a great contribution to all things "green," but that doesn't mean that he should be given an automatic pass when he's wrong. The next person who needs to resign his position is Rep. Charlie Rangel. I am wondering why the IRS hasn't raided his offices and home yet.

If the Obama administration keeps this up, there won't be a second term.

http://blackpoliticalthought.blogspot.com

curtilingus's picture

Great points. I don't believe Van Jones' explanation either. And I don't believe Obama officials would not have identified this during the vetting as being a problem. This is a reaction to the right. they didn't suddenly find out the guy was a "truther".

And to top it all off, whether you agree with the movement or not, there is nothing wrong with questioning the official version of what happened. that's what the 911 commission was set up for and even they admit they didn't finish their job.

I think Obama should come to grips with being a one term president. I see his support failing sharply. I mean if members of this board fail to stand behind him what chance does he really have? Un fortunate for the extreme left.

Rick. Google "Earth First." Then get back to me.

savannah43's picture

Rick.

obsess5's picture

If the official story is on the up and up, then why did both Bush and Cheney personally ask Congress *not* to investigate? I suspect we spent more money investigating the Shuttle tragedy than on investigating 9/11.

savannah43's picture

since they were warned it would happen? People keep asking the wrong question.

Pete2069's picture

Came when we elected Obama , which either does not care to or does not have the will to fight for the average America citizens and keep his campaign promises..

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promi...

Sure I am against these racist a.. holes attacking Obama with their lies , Deceit and propaganda...

But maybe if Obama had enough (we will can it will power to be nice) fight to standup and attack these smear campaigns then maybe we would see most of it disappear..

Where is all the support from Obama&Emanuel's base against these corporate republicans and news media smears against Obama.
The blue dogs and centrists are the groups which Obama and Emanuel are kissing the butts of while telling the progressive they should shut up , set down and only answer when they are ask to..
These republican-democrats (blue dogs & Centrists) are the ones which have created the health reform bill with the demand from the health and Banking empires.. They are the ones receiving all the political funds and whatever benefits the health empire has to give.

But , if not Americans would be more behind him and just maybe we could pass some GOOD legislation to try and correct all the bad and criminal policies of the past 8+ years.

I am beginning to wonder if Obama is really a democrat or another PLANT as the blue dogs were..
At the rate of his and the democrats self destruction , I hope there would be a strong Independent candidate as Bernie Sanders running on the independent ticket so I would have a real Americans that believes in democracy and our country to vote for..


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WizardLeft1's picture

and always will be....

What ya gonna do to change many of these parasites inside the Obama White House?

Yes, Emanuel, not Obama, purged Howard Dean, too. Rahm Emanuel is a power happy jerk.

KWillow's picture

who also appears to be a coward. Not quite the Tough Guy he likes to imply. Just a foul-mouthed Jerk.

ez2rock2's picture

It's the Dems turn to live in the "cartoon"....Rock It Obama! Why did I pick the Dem's? Do I really want a chicken dinner? I was looking for steak today.
Obi Wan Kenobi

It is past time that the left started employing Chicago rules. Every time the right goes after one of ours or pulls some bullshit teabagging stunt, we take out two of theirs. Turn it back on them and make them pay dearly. And I don't mean some hopeless schlepp foot soldier. I mean Murdoch, Ailes, Beck, Limbaugh, the congressional Republicans and all the big boys.

theWalrus's picture

for future legislative battles I wouldn't be surprised if my prediction last November of Obama being impeached before the end of his first term happens sooner rather than later. After all, he's only been in office 8 months, hasn't really accomplished anything significant and yet according to Republicans (and even some blue dogs) is readying a totalitarian government takeover.

Ouch.

oldretire's picture

Well another on bites the dust and the Idiots on Capitol Hill and Congress Cower with fear from the COWARDS of America, Why in the Hell do they care what these Wacko Hate Mongers think (there is a oxymoron), Screw the Repukes Slash their Wrist Water Board them and TOTALLY BY PASS them.

You CLOWNS were ELECTED not APPOINTED (like the LAST Administration), so reach between your legs squeeze real hard if it hurts it means your suppose to be a man.

SCREW the Right do your jobs remember the Owner of FOX NOISE is NOT a AMERICAN he is a RACIST NAZI.

You want to solve most of the problems in the United States?

Surrender to Norway or seperate and join Canada.

But none of those yucky states like Texas, they can surrender to Mexico.

Its a smallish white power elite that rules and dominates the SW, and the south too, basically the 'Racist Nazi Christians' as oldretire rightly said.

If Texas or any SW state managed to secede and go independent, that smallish RNC white elite would suddenly find itself isolated in a sea of hostile peed off brown faces aching to pay back after years of oppression, revenge would happen quickly. Those proud teabaggers would quickly flee back over the border into the US proper. They know this all too well and need the US's federal protection for their colony, they are calling our bluff.

The RNC in the SW and South, self identifies by its white WASP heritage, therefore isolates itself and upsets the other majority people it oppresses.

Rascalcat's picture

What I have been saying to the "Texas successionists" is, "OK, but you have to take Oklahoma and Mississippi with you."

Can you imagine how our children's test score averages would sky rocket overnight?

Yeah right that's why millions of Mexican nationals flood the state to subject themselves to such oppression. The amount of 'Racist Nazi Christians' as you put it are small compared to the populace you are just perpetuating the stereotype. A couple years ago I worked in an Illinois town near Springfield and I myself coming from a small Texas town was surprised how racist the white people were. For myself living in Texas as a person of color I fear harm from a Mexican gang banger than I ever have the KKK or AB or any other white supremacist group. You really just don’t know what you are talking about.

savannah43's picture

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Well not that you would believe me or even care. I never had the luxury of being one color or another I am Half Mexican. Why do you ask Savanna? I mean you have already as much as called me a lair in another post. If you did not believe me then what has changed? What Color are you?

savannah43's picture

Bullshitter--liar. Close enough. Now you're on the defense? Oh, goody.

Rick Shaw's picture

Well then I will ask you again to "say what you mean and mean what you say" as you so eloquently put it in another post. What are you accusing me of lying about Savannah.

ysbaddaden's picture
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I haven't run across many Mexican gang bangers or black gang bangers for that matter

But a lot of wannabes.

However I do like bangers and mash.


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

chicano2nd's picture

Now I know why your such a dumb f*ck. And a person of color!

That tells me a lot too! You are full of it!

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Sun, 09/06/2009 - 13:03 — Ferrofluid
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I prefer to be called People of Off-Color.


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

Why not just say "an American"?

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Imma Texan

Or izzat Texacan?


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

Isn't it funny that the people who believe their case is so solid (regarding the events of 9/11/01) that they could not put it through an investigation because they might just find out that they are full of shit.

I'm not trying to spew 9/11-truther crap here but I'm saying that if they are so sure of their offical story then why not look deeper into it to help us prevent a future attack and to expose the cracks in our defense that allowed the first one(2nd one, oops, I forgot about the first trade center bombing)

But isn't it funny how anyone who wants to know the truth is called a nut job. but anyone who believes the offical story, no matter how many questions still remain, they are just fine. - but that's our nation for you. We sure have come a long way sinse we were the greatest country in the world. How I wish we had people and leaders who would help us regain that status. But it seems that we don't.

Ferrofluid's picture

Thats what the Bushco explanation and excuses for 9/11 were.

To help identify Bushco lies. Some pictures of Swiss Cheese.

savannah43's picture

Doesn't Oklahoma count? Terrorism is terrorism.

Uncle Joe Mccarthy's picture

troofers are exactly like birthers...because both have another agenda, and no matter what facts are brought out...they will not accept them

please tell me what another investigation into 9/11 will bring to the table

let me tell you this...if your argument is, that the buildings couldnt have fallen, unless bombs were planted...or the hijackers couldnt have hijacked planes with box cutters...then yes, you are as nuts as the rest of the troofers

General Jack D. Ripper's picture

I just saw a Faux "news" article that claims that Jones' resignation could embolden conservatives to criticize Obama even further, especially when it comes to Czars. F#*@ing F@*%cks.

Ferrofluid's picture

The post WW2 Operation Paperclip people taught the RNC well.

It's beyond belief that obama capitulated to karl rove/GLEN BECK! It seems Obama/dems reach new lows every day. Why would they want to validate an insane extremist! It's one thing for them to be corportists and give away the treasury to Wall Street (and now the health industry), but why would they want to be cowards in the face of the insane glen beck?

Is it that they are so afraid of even a whiff of 911 'negativity.'

Rascalcat's picture

I am resigning my post at the Council on Environmental Quality, effective today.

On the eve of historic fights for health care and clean energy, opponents of reform have mounted a vicious smear campaign against me. They are using lies and distortions to distract and divide.

I have been inundated with calls - from across the political spectrum - urging me to “stay and fight.”

But I came here to fight for others, not for myself. I cannot in good conscience ask my colleagues to expend precious time and energy defending or explaining my past. We need all hands on deck, fighting for the future.

It has been a great honor to serve my country and my President in this capacity. I thank everyone who has offered support and encouragement. I am proud to have been able to make a contribution to the clean energy future. I will continue to do so, in the months and years ahead.

Now me, writing:

I would not call this a force out or capitulation on Obama's part.

For a minute there I thought we were talkin' bout:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am8qrrZAtP4


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

Rascalcat's picture

reached the zennith of his career with "the love bug"

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Diabolus est Deus Inversus

sixandseveneights's picture

Come on. How would we be treating a conservative who claimed he signed something without reading it. We would be all over the guy. Fair is fair and to be otherwise is to be a conservative.

I agree if it was the other way around his head would be on a platter. It is refreshing to see you admit this. Thank you for being honest and to the point.

chicano2nd's picture

in liberal and progressived blogs but nothing, nothing would happen like this. How does it feel to be an apologist for wingnuttia. Look who is drooling after your stupid word!

By the way, is you handle the same as your IQ?

sixandseveneights's picture

The government may have not been behind 911 but they were certainly behind using 911. The latter being only marginally better than the former. The latter leading to the deaths of far more innocents than the former also.

No more than the current admin uses the recession ..

sixandseveneights's picture

It was handed to him by the previous. There is no arguing that. You don't think that a Republican administration would do the same thing if a Democrat handed him this mess? Please. They would be milking it for all it's worth and using it as justification to push for more tax cuts for the rich.

Uncle Joe Mccarthy's picture

to do what???

god...i really hate you wingnuts

Bigmama's picture

on my ignore list. I think it's time for that person and others like him to be ignored as well. You cannot convince them with logic and they are only hear to perpetuate lies and half-truths and to upset people. They get a kick out of doing this.

Enjoy your play. You see them as rats. I see them as feces that need to be flushed down the toilet. I've tolerated their smell and attraction of flies for too many years.

Ahhhhh, the sound of the flush.........

Bigmama's picture

but I loved it. Timely metaphor in some of the lyrics.

General Jack D. Ripper's picture

There's a great scene in Quentin Tarantino's latest movie, "Inglourious Basterds," where this song is played. One of the main characters is planning revenge against Nazis.

We need some "basterds" to help destroy Faux News.

calgarylady's picture

I really enjoyed that musical interlude. Thanks, General Jack!

General Jack D. Ripper's picture

You're welcome, Calgary Lady!

That's long been one of my favorite songs. Bought the album a long time ago, shortly after it came out.

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Diabolus est Deus Inversus

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