Go Home

Mona & The Chattering class

Get Adobe Flash player

DOWNLOADS: (402)
Download WMV Download Quicktime
PLAYS: (1246)
Play WMV Play Quicktime
Embed

As Mona Eltahawy was listing off how momentous an event Egypt's uprising has been, and how it may signal a change in the way the United States approaches the Arab countries in the Middle East, siding with the peoples of that region rather than the dictators, the CNN pundits throw some cold water on such idealistic notions.

GLORIA BORGER: Well I'm not so sure about that. There's always going to be realpolitik in U.S. foreign policy.

...and she lists off the relationships with Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and Syria as evidence. Ever helpful Candy Crowley chimes in that the "experts" she talks to in the State Department have told her that the conditions in Egypt were unique and not likely to be replicated elsewhere in the region. Oddly enough though, those same experts never saw Tunisia or Egypt becoming anything like they have. Funny about that.

Full transcript via CNN below the fold.

BLITZER: Gloria Borger and Candy Crowley are here. Mona and Fouad are standing by. But Gloria, the president, I think he's getting pretty good reviews for his comments today. And I think, except for a few Republicans, he's getting pretty good marks for the way he's handled this crisis.

GLORIA BORGER, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: Well, you know, this wasn't easy. You know, this is -- 30 years of history, close history with Mubarak in this country. And the administration, you know, started out by saying that Mubarak was stable and then kept moving and changing. It was such a fluid and dramatic situation. Of course, we tend to judge these things by outcomes. And the truth of the matter is this is a fabulous outcome, but we don't know what comes next. And that's what they're doing in the White House.

BLITZER: In the short term, Candy, from the U.S. perspective, very positive development.

CANDY CROWLEY, CNN ANCHOR: This was as good as it was going to get, really.

BLITZER: Some people were fearing, you know, that there would be the Muslim Brotherhood taking over.

CROWLEY: Or that there would be riots in the streets; there'd be, you know, a lot of bloodletting, that Mubarak would stay on forever. And they really got the best situation.

Now how much did they have to do with that and how much was -- simply was the power of those few people sitting in the square? I think they'll argue forever. But nonetheless, they got exactly -- they got the best they could ask for.

BLITZER: Let me ask Fouad Ajami at Johns Hopkins University. Fouad, I know you've been critical of this administration, earlier administrations, but you see it -- you call it as you see it. What do you think?

FOUAD AJAMI, PROFESSOR, JOHNS HOPKINS UNIVERSITY: Look, I think this has always been from the beginning an Egyptian drama. Our government caught up with a storm, in fact. It really wasn't about Barack Obama. It wasn't about even George W. Bush's freedom agenda. This was the Egyptian people bringing their pharaoh, bringing their autocrat to account.

In the end, President Obama did what he needed to do. And I think the moral example, the example we had and the power we had had to do with reigning in the military, making sure there is no Tiananmen Square in Cairo, in Tahrir Square. And that's considerable moral influence and political influence.

BLITZER: When you heard the president speak today, the president of the United States, Mona, I think you were moved, weren't you?

MONA ELTAHAWY: I was, because it's exactly what I hoped he would say. I mean, we spoke earlier, and you asked me what I would like him to say. And he focused exactly on this beautiful nonviolent pure revolution.

And you know, I mentioned earlier the toppling of all these stereotypes of Arabs. Here's another thing that Egyptian sisters and brothers, my people I'm so proud of, have toppled. They have toppled this fear that Hosni Mubarak has been using all along to silence western allies about "It's either me or these crazy radicals."

But they're also toppling, and this, I think, is what President Obama addressed today. They're also toppling a foreign policy that always chose the dictator versus the people. And I think what the message behind President Obama's speech today was U.S. foreign policy, as it now wakes up to what's happening, Hosni Mubarak is the Berlin Wall today that fell.

U.S. foreign policy now is looking ahead and thinking. It serves us best to side with the people, because that is the best way to find stability. Because a stable country is not a country suffocated by a dictator. A stable country is a democratic, free country with people who are happy and free. I think this is what we're seeing come -- this is what we will see from -- as a result of the speech today, thanks to the revolution in Egypt.

BORGER: Well, I'm not so sure about that. I mean, I think that there's always going to be realpolitik in our foreign policy. And I don't think that the United States is looking to change its good relationship, its good relationship, for example, with Jordan right now.

But they are looking to see how can they make the Saudis be less upset? We're very upset about this. What's going to happen in Iran? What's going to happen in Syria? I mean, obviously, the whole chess table is very different right now.

CROWLEY: I talked to a couple of experts today about this. What next? What will we see fall? Look at the -- across the Arab world. There's dictators. There's autocrats. And they really looked said these are all so different that I don't see anything imminent here. Oh, it went from Tunisia to Egypt, and now it goes, you know, to X, Y or Z.

They just -- you know, we sort of went through a number of the countries. And they said, "I just don't see it" because of the very different circumstances in so many of these places.

BLITZER: All right, guys. We're going to continue, obviously, our analysis and our coverage. The breaking news out of Cairo right now, out of all of Egypt, in fact. Mubarak is gone. There's a new day in Egypt.

We'll be right back.

Share This Post

Link To This Post


23 Comments
Laval66's picture

I think you should reconsider how you view the events in Tunisia. The head of state left. They reshuffled the same people to replace him. Protests continued, and were met with violent action by the police.

This is the same place that Egypt is currently, but with far more momentum towards change, and a military that is saying/doing all the right things.

All that to say, no expert saw protests coming in Tunisia of the scale that happened, but no real change occurred as a result. Yes, their president is not their leader now, but in the grand scheme of corrupt power structures, you've switched from dictator a to dictator a(1)

fiver's picture

In Egypt, Mubarak is gone, but his apparatus, including Suleiman, is still in power. From today's NYT:

In an announcement broadcast on state television an army spokesman said that Egypt would continue to abide by all its international and regional treaties and that the current civilian leadership would manage the country’s affairs until the formation of a new government.

The army spokesman said the military was “aspiring to guarantee the peaceful transfer of power within the framework of a free democratic system that allows an elected civilian power to rule the country, in order to build a free democratic state.” But he did not discuss a timetable for any transfer of power. [emphases added]

There's still plenty left to accomplish.


Corruption favors the wealthy.

Handypants's picture

"CNN pundits"

That says more than anything.

I consider the source (including some unnamed experts) - meh

So many important things - this isn't one of them.


"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that!
" ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )

dasqf's picture

the cia,with their trillion dollar budget(don't froget black ops),had no clue the ussr was in trouble......yea,right.


....the fools do not realize,a population that can ,..... not paticipate .............in the 'economy'...,can not keep it viable!..........."we are listening,.......and we're not blind.,......this is your life....this is your time."

The Media are Way too slow to comprehend the complete change in our foreign policy initiated by and orchestrated by Obama and his Secretary of State. Republicans know their days as the big cheeses on foreign policy are numbered, so they are remaining aggressively stupid about how nothing is going to change, and how our 'realpolitik' and material interests will outweigh any moves toward democracy in the Middle East: but what they secretly realize is that those 'material interests' were those of a relatively few Americans: people like the Koch Brothers and other oil concerns.

They must be QUAKING in their boots. AND they are trying to defund the Department of State and the UN as we speak.


MyMy

Ape-Man's picture

Koch brothers = Biff Tanner x 2


"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-

dochi's picture

Name one thing Obama's done different from Bush in foreign policy. Withdraw for Afgan? Close Gitmo? Help Corp.move overseas? Funnel money to dictators? Not one god damn change.

The very same media that was all for Boy King W's attempt to manufacture democracy in Iraq (perhaps the dumbest of all places in the Middle East to try an already dumb idea) are now all talking about how democracy in the Middle East is not a possibility. Hell, I had more respect for those crazy neo-cons who tried to paint Egypt as a validation of their insanity than I do for the contradictory nonsense coming from the likes of CNN.

What the world at large, and America in particular, needs is an honest conversation about how different cultures think and believe, and a way to gather intelligence about the world that comports with our principles as a nation.

Of course, honest conversation in America is pretty much impossible.


Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?

Karen's picture

I appreciate people’s sympathy and interest in democracy, that’s an American instinct. But unfortunately in this case, this is the Middle East. And the traditions there do not support their embracing — if they were allowed to vote in an open election, they would put themselves vulnerable, and make us vulnerable, to dangerous terrorism. Egypt has been our friend as an intelligence gathering operation and we need to realize the reality of the situation.
-----Terry Holt, former national spokesman for the Bush/Cheney '04 campaign


Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?

pinkobait's picture

BTW,Wolf can always be counted upon to go to a commercial before any kind of a response can be made.


"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "

-Jack Handy

Ape-Man's picture

Bingo! Ding ding ding!

The amount of news they actually offer is next to nil, and the 'commentary' they offer is next to useless if not totally counter productive.

I wonder if CNN ever pops in to see what we are talking about...


"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-

Van's picture

I love her! Keep telling the truth. Even if the villagers don't want to hear it.

thebewilderness's picture

These are indeed serious concerns.
It is unfortunate that there are no serious, ore even semi quasi or even middling informed people discussing them on the corporate news networks in this country.

Etienne85's picture

Realpolitik is german for "it's ok to support torturers, muderers, and rapists as long as it benefits our nation"

Ape-Man's picture

Now it's David Gerber's turn - things went OK. except for the following which made me wonder who the 'we' is in the following statement:

Gerber - "we're not sure we want a democracy in Yemen"

Hopefully he means... well... maybe he thinks Yemen will fall under the control of the religious-right of the region?
We know what kind of damage that can do to even the most well established democracies such as the US. That must be what he's saying.


"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-

fitley's picture

CNN wants the Fox audience soooooo bad they can taste it. Unfortunately that taste smells a lot like dog shit so they are inching slowly towards it pinching their noses. Wolf says some people thought the Muslim Brotherhood would take over. Been taking notes from Glenn Beck were ya Wolfie. Pathetic hack. Yes CNN we must embrace the dictators because... umm.... well ... you know... umm.... why was it again? Why don't you just go back to covering Queen Sarahs presidential run its more your speed.
Has Erik the Retarded weighed in on this yet? He's CNN's real hope to grab the inbred Fox viewers.

Steve E's picture

Love it, bang on.

Buffy's picture

Right now CNN.com is running a poll on their home page: "Will the revolution started in Tunisia end in Egypt?" ...it's currently running 84% "No".....

What audience is it that they're after, again?

Steve E's picture

by a truly dynamic group of aholes helping the American public digest status quo BS. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't our Commander in Chief at one point urge the Egyptian people to go with the flow and they said screw you and mind your own business?

I just can't listen to his "hag". I've seen her in enough interviews to make me want to throw something or throw up. Sorry....just don't give a rat's ass what this most God-ugly female cares to say. Sorry if I come across sexist...but if she were a male, I could care less as well...she is just one ugly human being, and her opinion is as acid and screwed up as the next shill.

candy is anything but "candy". Her opinion is anything but important.

kuvasz's picture

.

Kreskin's picture

Better looking too I would assume .


Insanity , it is what it is , there is no understanding it .

Kreskin's picture

The US will do all possible to control and have all the influence possible in Egypt , we can threaten to pull the plug on supplying their military and start withholding the billions we send their way . I almost hope that our supporting the dictatorship of Egypt for the last thirty years backfires on us , not that our politicians ( particularly the neoconservatives ) would learn a damned thing . This country needs to be knocked off it's high horse , it really does .


Insanity , it is what it is , there is no understanding it .

Comments are closed on this entry