Kids Reenact The First Thanksgiving
By scarce Monday Nov 23, 2009 8:00amAmerican history is brought to life by adorable children in this truer-to-life-than-you-likely-read-in-your-history-books reenactment of the first Thanksgiving.
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in our Thanksgiving skit in grade school.
a rant about the impact corporate farming techniques had reaked upon your once lean range fed body?
I only see that if they could have figured out a way to blame Obama for it.
Obama is blameless. Blameless, I say. He did what? I don't care. Shut up! LALALALA!
More projection from the right-wing. Who on the left is not complaining about Obama could be doing a better job? I know, it's not like the outcry we heard from the right when Dubya allowed a city to drown or when he lied us into war or going on vacation to allow the attacks of Sept 11th or looting the treasury or...the list goes on and on.
Where were the voices of the right when we needed you? Now that we are trying to put out the fires that the GOP set over 8 years and the Dems catch shit because the fire didn't disappear the day Dubya left office.
I did not realise the only options were either admitting Obama was never at fault or grinding an axe here at every. single. opportunity.
You sure showed me.
Same can be said about corporate farming's wreaking gift to the Indians.
but much less so just watching it than for the Native Americans who lived it.
Guns and germs. Now that's a thank you!
they got trinkets.
Genocide included...no, not the turkeys.
Not a play, but a song I wrote that tells the story of Oklahoma from the Civilized Tribes' POV: Grass Stopped Growing
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Thanksgiving should be a day where every American tries to do something in appreciation for Native Americans.
Head to the nearest Native American Casino?
They'll take any appreciation offered
...buy silver "Lakota rounds" (cool coins)!
http://www.usfreeads.com/1815746-cls.html
(is spamming for Native Americans ok?)...
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From: Howard Zinn: People's History of the United States:
Now we "spread democracy" instead of acting "in the name of the Holy Trinity."
Otherwise not much change at all ..
Even when we know and understand the truth of the past...we just keep repeating it; over and over and over and over and over and over...
Only, now everything's better with technology...we bring good things to life.
how many times have you heard "god-given right to freedom" used to justify spreading democracy? I've always found it strange that a god that created the magnificent universe with its billions of galaxies, stars, exploding stars, planets, moons, comets, black holes, etc would have to depend on advanced primates to do "his" will on the tiny little speck known as earth. In the Pequot War mentioned in this featured skit, the soldiers that became sickened by the carnage were comforted and urged on to do god's will by their commander. The allied natives (enemies of the Pequot) recruited refused to kill anyone but the young male warriors and left.
...of the Monty Python reenactments of "battles" as you watch this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMqSmiC_xHg
"Oh the red man knows war
with his hands and his knives
On the bible you swore
Fought your battles with lies"
Queen, "White Man"
From A night at the Opera
Yes, my history books did not teach me that the first smallpox blankets were given to native peoples by African slaves dressed as pilgrims.
You beat me to it.
The wall they built to protect them from the Native Americans.
This whole thing about Thanksgiving is bullshit.
It's a marketing ploy. To get people to go out and spend money.
had the best depiction:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptLD0kCoHG4
"The gods of my tribe have spoken. They have said, 'Do not trust the Pilgrims, especially Sarah Miller.' For this reason, I have decided to scalp you, and burn your village to the ground."
That kicked ass. I LOLed like crazy when I saw it in the theater.
For a second there I thought you said licked ass.
One of these days I'll need to use my new glasses prescription
Like when I got money.
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US Builds Up its Bases in Oil-Rich South America
And some resist:
Four Arrested at SOA Watch Protest
...has been nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize.
While I agree with the central message, I found it inappropriate to involve children in the making of this video. The crimes committed against native Americans is an adult topic, not one which very young children are equipped to engage with. Using them to make this point is essentially exploitation.
Children have been involved in plays exactly like this for decades - SPREADING THE LIES ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED. Now that someone writes one that tells the TRUTH, you think it's "inapporpriate"??
How about you protest the next time your kids put on one of these little plays at their school? You know, the one about how the white people were so nice and everything was great? After all, it's "inappropriate" for children to spread PROPAGANDA.
Jackass.
"Using" them to make this point is essentially necessary. You're personifying the wimp in all of us, the wimps in power specifically, who are leaving it to children to fight for Hope and Change.
We learn as children. We don't grow up in an opaque bubble, step out one day and suddenly start to understand things, suddenly be equipped to combat lies with knowledge. Either it starts immediately, or it might not start.
You don't think this was done sans delighted parental approval, surely. You don't think the children weren't having any fun doing it, surely.
OMG, that was incredible! The Native kids are so cute! This is exactly what we need to be doing more and more of, everywhere, in response to the avalanche of ignorant teabag piggery we're being forced to stand in up to our necks day after day.
Oh no...I'm scared. What will Mister Beck do when he gets his Podium on these pinko children? (Here's where I'll agree: they're going to say Obama did this. When in fact they did this themselves. Obama should be so "good.")
"Oh no...I'm scared. What will Mister Beck do when he gets his Podium on these pinko children?"
I imagine he would say the same sort of stupid, pointless jab.
Like this:
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/comment/p...
Virginia was settled at least 10 years before Massachusetts.
Thanksgiving was a Federal propaganda move after the Civil War to erase the importance of the South in the settling of this country.
Told from the native American perspective, the live blog transcript of the first thanksgiving was mistakenly taken from an upstate New York public library by a Pequot man who gave his name as Moroni and said he was looking for gold copies of a book he lent an earlier resident named Joe Smith.
I always thought that the Massachusetts colony was held up as the model because the southern colonies were penal colonies. Can't have the people of the US aware that we're the decendants of criminals now can we. Weirdo Xtian cult is sooo much better.
Southern Colonies were searching for gold; I think you're thinking of Australia.
But the pilgrims had the ostensibly religious image which fit well with the propaganda.
Nice try, though.
Unfortunately, the whole smallpox blankets thing is largely mythic and does not apply at all to the Pilgrims (or to the Puritans). There is only one well documented case, which involved the Dutch at Fort Orange (modern Albany) giving diseased blankets to the Mohicans. There is a second possible case from the French and Indian War when General Amherst authorized the distribution of such blankets at Ft. Pitt (modern Pittsburgh) to the surrounding Indians. In this case there is no evidence that the distribution actually took place. The colonists largely had no need of such measures since they were a pestilentially diseased people and their diseases spread quite rapidly to the Native peoples through normal channels inflicting catastrophic mortality. The result was cataclysmic population declines (as much as 95% in the first hundred years in the East and possibly in the Puebloan Southwest).
Genocidal episodes, like the Pequot War did in fact occur. In the colonial period there is also the Powhattan War in the 17th century and the Yammasee War or 1715. The French waged the equally genocidal Natchez War in the early 18th century and the Fox War later in that century. Gold Rush miners in California also attempted to exterminate the Indians of the Central Valley, even organizing Indian hunting parties (in the sense of celebratory events) on weekends, where they hunted the Indians with dogs, much like deer.
It was pretty well documented in the Carilonas in the seventeenth century. I know that, and I'm an English major.
How about we try to get history real. If you're being sarcastic, let others know so we don't automatically assume stupidity.
Dr. DrDick is essentially correct with the facts. I'd have to know the date and location of the "well documented" smallpox blankets in the Carolinas in the 17th century. What part of that century did such an event occur, MaryK?
Even Howard Zinn, as much as I generally appreciate his People's History of the US, skews some of his material. Columbus's attempt to interest the Spanish monarchy in Indian slaves wasn't successful. He may have managed to sell those few hundred into slavery, but Ferdinand and Isabella didn't care for the influx of New World Indians as a source of slaves.
And ysbaddaden, Jamestown was settled 13 years before Plymouth, 23 years before Massachusetts. You're making a common mistake in conflating the two colonies, which remained separated for 71 years.
Just a small pet peeve because the wingnuts are the greatest offenders of revising our history.
As a historical anthropologist who specializes in the Southeast and has researched the area for more than 20 years, I can assure you that never happened and I have read through both the histories and the original historical records. Epidemics in the Southeast spread entirely through natural means. The Jamestown colonists had no idea what was going on and attributed the mortality of the Indians to God's intervention.
I think it was briefly considered, but even then they knew they would not be likely able to contain the contagion, so there's no record of it ever being tried.
Perhaps vigilantes, maybe Amerindians stealing supplies and not knowing blankets were tainted, even perhaps well meaning charities, but no official attempt.
And smallpox is air borne (droplet spread), so just being in any kind of contact with settlers who might be carriers, but not sick due to centuries in Europe building up immunities, would be sufficient.
The charters issued by the English crown throughout the colonial period stressed establishment of friendly relations with Native Americans -- very much in keeping with the mercantilist economic philosophy prevalent at the time. Native Americans provided access to a lucrative trade in furs, so any animosity stirred up by English colonists was frowned upon, i.e. James I revoked the corporate joint-stock charter used to establish Jamestown, in 1624, two years after the 2nd Powhatan War nearly wiped the colony out. He replaced governance with a royal charter due to the inadequate relationship established with the Pamunkeys and other Powhatan Confederation members.
The Spanish were far more likely to use disease-infected blankents than the English. That isn't to say the end result wasn't the same in the long run.
I misremember my epidemiology -- is smallpox a cold weather or a hot weather disease?
The tag line at the end on "The Trail of Tears" was absolutely brilliant!
Great video!
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