Gov. Ed Rendell: Concern troll
Pennsylvania Governor Ed Rendell pulled no punches last night on The Ed Show in an enthusiastic pitch job for the new "Democrat" Arlen Specter. Rendell said in a primary challenge Congressman Joe Sestak would "get killed" because the party machinery and even the president are now squarely behind Specter, and that Specter is so well-known in the state while Sestak is not.
"I'm a great admirer of Joe Sestak and worked hard to get him elected and re-elected," Rendell said. "And I'm going to work hard to get him re-elected when he runs for Congress next year. Not for the Senate. Joe should not run for the Senate in the Democratic primary. He would get killed."
And if Sestak does run?
"We will lose a terrific Congressman," Rendell said. "Joe Sestak runs against Arlen Specter, he is out of the Congress after just two short terms. We will lose a terrific Congressman and when he loses to Arlen, he fades into political obscurity."
Rendell was the prime instigator in getting Specter to switch to the Democratic Party, and their history goes way back. Rendell's first job was in the DA's office in Philadelphia under Arlen Specter in the late 60's. (Rendell himself would later be elected District Attorney of Philadelphia in 1977.)
And much of what Rendell is saying is true. Specter "the Democrat" is getting broad-based democratic institutional support, even by Obama himself, where he appeared at a Beverley Hills fundraiser, as well as Joe Biden and Harry Reid. That part isn't surprising.
What is unclear though at this point is how much rank-and-file Democrats will be cheering for this career opportunist should a serious primary attempt be made by a real Democrat in Joe Sestak.
Wow. Either we're missing a thread or I just had a rather detailed and elaborate hallucination. Complete with comments and everything.
Dartmouth Con Rappers?
Maybe copywright probs?
LOL, who would want to copyright that shit?
Rendell always has been a political opportunist and his blanket endorsement of Specter is just more proof. This is a guy who put all his chips in the Clinton campaign and went on national TV time and time again arguing that Clinton should be the candidate because she won more big states. As a former PA resident I can't recall one progressive issue that Rendell has ever really championed. He wants Specter in there to keep the old-boy network going period. The Democratic party in PA is sad.
Paul Wellstone understood we have one major party-The Corporate Party. The GOP is wholly owned and most of the Dems are, too. The Dem establishment didn't want Sestak to even run for the seat he now has. Obama, Biden & Rendell are members of the D. C. Bubble Club. I hope Setak kicks fake Specter's arse.
Rendell encouraged Bob Casey to run against Santorum, knowing another right-to-life but reasonable Catholic was needed to counter Santorum's wackiness -- and it worked. I think scarce's post is accurate in all respects, including the key question of what Pa. voters would do when faced with a choice between Specter and loyal Democrat Sestak. I would hate for Specter to win, then turn around and do a Lieberman and make us long for the lost potential of Ned Lamont -- I mean Joe Sestak.
All I can say is F-u and the Horse you rode in with. I would donate to Joe.
I wish all of these Clinton flunky republican-lites would just STFU!
A month ago, Sphincter was a fucking repuke, who supported everything the fascist rightwing wacko's did under Bush/Cheney.
Now, because him and Mr. Ed are pals, were suppose to elect this asshole as our democratic senator? Because..........??? well, because Mr. Ed said so. Plus, the rest of the assholes in the good-ole-boy network want to keep as many of the DINO's in power as possible, so that they can continue to screw us now - that the republicans are about as popular as burlap underwear.
As far as I am concerned, Clinton, Rahm Emmanuel, Ben Nelson, Mr. Ed and the rest of these corporate fascist whores, are almost as bad as the freaking repukes - and they are just as responsible for the world of shit we are in today.
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Its bad enough we have to get republicans out of government. Now we have to get about 25% of the democrats replaced too!
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that 25% figure is a bit low. Seriously, besides Boxer(D-Ca) Feingold(D-WI) and Sanders(I-Vt) who else is worth keeping
to see Sestak kick Specter's butt all over the State.
making Rendell eat his words.
I must have missed something. Since when is it anybody but the People's decision about who can run and who can't? It isn't up to Rendell or Obama or anybody else to dictate the People's choice. Sestak will eviscerate Specter in a primary, and I'm betting the netroots cash will go along way towards making that happen. I find it incredibly presumptuous the the Democratic powers that be, including Obama, think that they can usurp the prerogatives of the electorate. How unbelievably arrogant!
Specter needs to retire, because he's showing that, just like Lieberquisling, it's only about him. The voters of Pennsylvania should call Conneticutt to mind before endorsing Specter.
if he thinks that Obama will back Specter when a legitimate Democratic candidate is running against him.
It is in the interest of Obama and the country, at the moment, to do as much as he can to get whatever support he can get out of Specter. It is good to see the Republicans in such a shambles, and having a long term Repub Senator move to "our side" is good for PR and morale in the Democratic Party.
It would also be in the interest of the party, and the nation, to write Liebermann and Specter off as the dinosaurs that they are when it is time for the Democratic Primaries in their states. If Obama wants his policies past in his first term, he needs people who will work with him, and not be a wild card.
Ed Rendell madesome very good points. The truth is that Joe Sestak and Pat Toomie would be killed in the general election.
Sestak killed, by who?
There is NO, I repeat NO republican who is going to win in Pa! If Sestak wins the primary, he WILL win easily against nutjob Toomey and democratic independent Arlen.
You don't know what your talking about!
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A Democrat will not win Arlen's seat unless it's Arlen. Arlen made a mistake by switching parties. Arlen would have beat Toomey and would have won his seat. Toomey is a Rick Santorum and Santorum had his chance but proved to be too extreme and that's why he lost. Casey was there at the right time. Toomey's only hope is that Sestak wins.
And BTW, this post is the same thing Republicans do to their moderate members, throwing Rendell under the bus because he doesn't support what they do. Rendell is a good Governor for this state. We could have Ridge back.
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Sorry, but you are completely wrong. Sestak would have beaten Specter easily. Look at what happened with little Ricky Santorum.
Pa is like Michigan. They flirted with the repukes, and it destroyed them. The good folks of Pa will not make that mistake again for a long time.
Arlen has barely won in the past during the GOP's heyday. He knows he would have lost this time around. Not because of the republican primary - which is the conventional wisdom, but because he knows whats in store for the GOP in statewide elections.
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Santorum lost because of how extreme he was and Casey was at the right place at the right time. You put up an extreme against a moderate Republican in PA and the moderate will win every time. You put up a moderate Republican incumbent against a democrat in Pa then Arlen would win. You need to understand PA politics. We, excuse me, they are Republicans at heart but not extreme. This state believes the greatest Governor we ever had was Tom Ridge. Why, because he was a moderate republican. You can attack Ridge because he took a position with the Bush administration but he was a moderate Republican. IF he didn't join the Bush administration he'd still be Governor and no one would have ever heard the name Rendell and we wouldn't be attacking him. Obama made his comment about guns and bibles in PA for a reason, because it's true. We're not Kansas but we're not that far off.
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During Ridge's tenure, no school district in the western part of the state would take a tiny, financially strapped school district's high school students, so they had to go to high school in OHIO. If a state can't educate its public-school students within its borders, that is truly a mark of shame. Yet Ridge did nothing to help poor Midland.
And Ridge wouldn't still be governor. Pa. has term limits, and Ridge served his two term max.
One other quibble: Casey wasn't at the right place at the right time. He was specifically chosen because he like Santorum was anti-abortion and Catholic but unlike Santorum, not a whack job. Rendell had a hand in persuading Casey to run.
dont think so
is the party machinery already backing specter? that was quick
especially since he hasnt done a thing for the party yet
Quite the opposite.
People here are all pissed off because Rendell is supporting Arlen. But Rendell is right. This is PA and PA is Arlen's. I said it before, Arlen made a mistake by switching parties. Toomey is Santorum and PA learned it's lesson when it came to these extreme right politicians on a state level. Toomey would have never beat Arlen. NEVER. He was just to lazy and scared to fight the extreme right.
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You don't know what you are talking about. The GOP is DONE in Pa for a long time to come. Arlen would have been crushed by any democrat, and he knows it! That is why he switched parties!
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The GOP is far from done in PA. You have no idea of the right wing wackos in PA. They're alive an well. I'm talking the Glen Beck fans. I'm from PA. I know PA politics. I know Ed. Ed knows what he's talking about. PA isn't Pittsburgh, Philly, Erie and Allentown. You go outside the cities in PA and these people are paranoid and pissed. It wouldn't surprise me to see the next Lee Harvey Oswald come out of PA. If we get complacent and continue to eat our own in PA then we're in trouble. This is the last thing PA needs is for Democrats to attack Democrats.
And if we're going to attack Rendell on this one issue then we need to attack Casey on his abortion stance.
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I lived in Pa for many years and still get back there on a regular basis. My entire family on both sides came from there, and many of them still live there. Pa is not going to vote for any repukes. They are finished for the forseable future in the keystone state.
Michigan, like Pa, has some of the most rightwing nutjobs in the country. Militia'a anyone? But they can barely muster 38% of the vote in statewide election now. The Oklahoma City nutball was a co-conspirator with militia kooks from Michigan.
Even Darth Vader himself came from Saginaw! No shit! J.E. Jones is from Michigan.
I have been around for a long time, and I have seen the rust belt states change dramatically. If I personally knew you, I would wager a boatload that the next time a republican wins a senate seat in Pa, will be many years from now.
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James Earl Jones did NOT grow up in Saginaw. He grew up in Brethren, which is in Manistee County, on the west side of the state(BTW, he was born in Mississippi, and moved to Jackson, MI, in south central MI- still not too close to Saginaw- before moving to Brethren).
There are a lot of batshit crazy right-wingers up there- it's part of Pete Hoekstra's very large district- just as there are on the Eaeast side of the state. I just gotta stand up for the Lake Michigan side. :D
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
from politicalwire.com:
Sen. Arlen Specter's (D-PA) last general election challenger -- former Rep. Joe Hoeffel (D-PA) -- told the Delaware County Daily Times that he would back Rep. Joe Sestak (D-PA) in a primary against Specter.
http://www.delcotimes.com/articles/2009/05/27...
“If Joe Sestak runs in the primary, I will support him,” former U.S. Rep. Joe Hoeffel told the Daily Times in a recent interview. “I admire him very much and think he will be a strong candidate for whatever he runs for, including reelection.”
A Montgomery County commissioner who narrowly lost to Specter in the 2004 general election, Hoeffel said Sestak would be a formidable opponent.
Wilson said the winner of the Democratic primary will be well positioned to take on the Republican challenger.
“I think it’s good for the party to get this whole matter of Specter settled in the primary,” he said. “If Specter wins, it will strengthen him as the Democratic candidate and if Joe wins it will give him the name recognition he needs and tremendous momentum heading into November.”
...but I don't get how what Rendell is selling is valid.
I saw this last night and two things leapt to my mind if the state is as moderately Republican as Rendell says, then 1)How does he think that the Republicans of Pennsylvania will trust Specter after he jumped parties and 2) How does he expect the Democrats to trust him at all?
The Liebermann matter is not settled. It is widely know that Liebermann won because a lot of the state Republicans voted for him, because their choice was a total nutcase, or a DINO like Joe. The election was not a normal election, because the Dem. Primary loser took his marbles and joined another party, in order to hold on to the power. The only reason this did not backfire was the level of input that the Republicans had in support of Liebermann.
I would be willing to bet this does NOT happen when Joe runs the next time. Joe has outlived his usefulness to the Republicans, and they, almost assuredly will run someone more to their liking the next time around. Joe, running as a true third party candidate is very likely to lose.
I don't live in Pennsylvania, or know anything about the population other than what I've been told, but I just can't see the Democrats...even working class Dems...supporting Specter against a legitimate Democrat like Sestak. He's got all the blue collar cred..and none of the Republican past.
Bottomline...I agree..it is not Rendell's decision. It is for the voters to decide.
They won't. And when the fascist lunatic Toomey runs against him, Joe will get 70% of the vote.
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Run Joe Run! Spector is a loser and a liar, nuff said for me at least. Unless....you consider how "rupper stamp" spector was during our recent embarrassment.
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two time cancer survivor. He's in his 70s and would be in his 80s by the end of another term. I would think that his health history would be a deciding factor for the voters. Nuff said.
End of story.
He will be 80 within the year!
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Rendells "plan" is to be appointed to fill in the remainder of Specters term by the Democratic governor. It assumes a lot of things: that a dem will follow him, that Specter wins, that Specter steps down, and that the next Gov appoints him.
As a mid=level Dem leader in the Pa Dem Party, I wouldn't piss on Specter if he caught fire. I know I speak for a majority of mid level leadership here too.
makes a lot of sense. Rendell does seem to be a "what's in it for me..." Blago type.
Glad to hear it.
My union relatives would piss on him, but they piss a mixture of moonshine and gasoline.
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is there anyone else here who felt that Rendell was making threats against Sestak?
"We will lose a terrific Congressman.."
What exactly does that mean? My perception of it is..."Joe...if you run for Senate against my boy, Arlen...You can forget about being in politics in this state..."
"I'll support him in his Congressional Run.." but not if he runs for Senate...Does this mean that he is telling him that he will withdraw support from Sestak completely if he decides to run against Specter. He did make the statement that if he lost his congresssional seat, that his political career was over. Says who??
Seems the voters have not had a chance to decide on Sestak's future yet, so who is the one controlling this?
Money? Power elites? Probably. Pennsylvania needs to nip this one in the bud and elect Sestak to Senate.
"is there anyone else here who felt that Rendell was making threats against Sestak?
"We will lose a terrific Congressman.." "
I really don't think that was a threat. He meant what he said. If Sestak steps down from his seat to oppose Arlen he's not going to win. Why read more into it and what's with all this demonizing of a good Democrat? Have we learned nothing from conservatives?
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Sestak will win easily against ANY repuke. Easily! I am not sure why you think the way you do, but Pa is a definite democratic stronghold.
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I'd always thought a concern troll was someone who pointed out what he or she thought were needlessly self-discrediting and defeating practices by one side that theoretically would drive voters into their most hated enemy's camp. At least that's what I was doing whenever I've been called a concern troll. This strikes me as being more like flat-out political betrayal for a true Democrat in favor of the opportunistic Spector.
Let us have more precision in our insulting nomeclature, people.
We don't need any enemy's.
republican are the enemy of America!
Then why is this post and comments making Ed Rendell, a Democrat, an enemy. Talk about eating your own.
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Let me say this first. I know Gov Ed Rendell personally because of my work with Presque Isle Partnership so I may be a little biased. I think this man has done a great job for our state and my county. Pennsylvania hasn't been hit by the mortgage crisis and he has a lot to do with it. Home values in PA have been pretty stable throughout this mess. My property taxes have gone down 35%. Our unemployment rate is lower than a lot of states. If he wants, he will be president some day. He's a great "politician". He ruthless. He did not back down from the the Republicans who wouldn't pass his budget and shut down the government until they caved. How many times have we seen Democrats cave to Republicans? TOO MANY. Not Ed. On the outside and by the way he speaks he may sound like a soft guy but he's not. He will beat you down.
Politicians are politicians and will stick with the men who got them there and that goes for ALL politicians. You cannot judge him because he's sticking up for Arlen. Don't get me wrong, I wont vote for Arlen because Ed says to but he is right. Incumbents are hard to unseat and I'd hate to see Sestak run for senate just to lose and lose his house seat. Regardless of what you think of Arlen, throughout his career he has stood by the farming communities which makes up most of PA outside the major cities. I don't care what anyone says, Arlen would win his senate seat regardless of what party ran as. Does he deserve it? No. But that's the nature of politics.
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I agree with some of your points. Rendell passed on a cabinet post because the GOP would get the governors seat through redistricting. There are other governors that didn't do that on Obamas staff.
On the other hand propping up the narcissist Arlen Specter is disgusting. You sound like his spin doctor. Lets talk about the many cloture votes he hypocritically killed bills as he stood at pressers extolling them. He has no loyalties beyond his own re-election and polling. He has the superficial "brand" of moderate, when in reality he is one of the great whores of DC. I have more respect for an ideologue like Santorum, at least you know what he believes.
Lastly, any dem will win the senate seat. I don't care if its Sestak, Murphy, or Harris, just not a friggin DINO.
Saying you have more respect for Santorum over Rendell pretty much says it all. I'll bet you a week...two weeks salary that Democrat does not win this senate seat unless it is Arlen. Arlen did not just become a DINO as you put it. He's been in politics since he was a baby and still gets voted in. What politicians aren't loyal to themselves or their polling? They all are. Every last one of them. Hell if you want to put it that way how many times have heard Bush say he doesn't follow polls? That would make Bush a good guy?
What am I spinning. Every thing I said was a fact. No mortgage crisis. Lower taxes. Better than average unemployment rates....Where's the spin?
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I'll take your bet, and raise you one republican landslide defeat! This guy is an idiot for saying what he said. What % did little Ricky and McCain get in the last two elections? You are still stuck in 1990's mode, just like the Clinton flunky Rendell.
Secondly, lower taxes is a BAD thing! Especially on the rich! When are working people ever going to stop falling for this flaming turd approach to government?
They throw a couple of grubby dollars at the working guy, and then eviscerate all of the programs for the greater good of the people.
"I pay $1500 for my kid to play sports now, my property value went down $50,000 because they fired 25,000 state employees who use to earn a liveable wage, and the infrastructure is crumbling, etc.... but I got a $300 tax cut!"
Well whipdy freakin' doo! You are so smart. S.M.R.T!
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How can you get a governors seat through redistricting? Its a STATEWIDE election.
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Rendell thinks people are stupid. Specter wasn't a RINO, he voted consistently with Bush & CO. He towed the line because he wanted his chairmanship. He only switched parties because he couldn't win the repug primary. Hey Arlen, lay down with dog you get fleas.
Rank & file Democrats don't like Arlen. He beat Hoeffel by smearing him as antisemitic as Arlen is wont to do. He's a very dirty campaigner. He didn't beat Hoeffel by much either. If Casey could beat Santorum, a good Democrat (and we have a few in the state) can beat Toomey or Specter. They should have let that tool stay in the bed he made (the one with dogs & fleas). Sestak is a good candidate and a good campaigner. He's got a compeling personal story. With the grass root support he can beat Arlen and Toomey. It should be a lot of fun to work on the Sestak campaign and beat the stuffing out of the repug. Bye, bye Arlen. Oh and Rendell can pound sand. He couldn't get a great candidate like Gore elected, could get control of Congress for the Democrats and then he couldn't get Hillary elected. Typical DLCer, thinks running an 1992 DLC campaign can win now.
All of the sudden we are making Rendell look like public enemy number one over one issue, Specter. Wouldn't it stand to reason then that we should be attacking Casey over one issue, Abortion?
And let's not be naive. Every politician runs a smear campaign. Some are just less obvious than others.
If you want to attack a PA democrat try Murtha.
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We must unseat Robert Casey. He agrees with us on nearly every issue. But he's pro-life. He disagrees with us on one major issue. Just like Rendell. Rendell is a good Democrat and has done good things for this state but he disagrees with us on one major issue. Specter. So we sit here and demonize him.
Let's be consistent then. Democratic Senator Robert Casey disagrees with us on abortion rights but agrees with us on everything else. So to be fair to Ed we must demonize Casey. Right?
Let's not be conservatives and make our big tent a pup tent. If we're going to then let's be consistent about it and attack Bob Casey too.
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I am less than thrilled with Casey but at least he votes as a Democrat and has always been a Democrat and does not introduce legislation to overturn choice. He simply says as a Catholic he opposes abortion. Well so do I but I want it legal for women to choose for themselves.
Specter on the other hand simply changed parties to keep his seat and not because he had a change in political philosophy. He voted consistently with the repugs. Rendell and the rest of the DLC are wrong as they were with a lot of their picks in 2006 and 2008. The grass root candidates did better than the DLC picks or I should say despite them. Primaries are healthy and the good ole boys should stop trying to pick the candidates and instead let the registered Democrats pick their own.
Casey is a democrat. Period. Until a few weeks ago, Sphincter was a repuke, and he still represents much of what those american hating fascists represent. If you have a point, its rather curved.
Frankly, I would rather see a republican asshole in Ben Nelsons seat, than have to try and deal with the two-faced bastard who represents only his own fat corrupt ass.
Do we need more democrats working against working people? The Clintons and their lackeys like Rendell made a very profitable career selling out to the corporatists. Unfortunately, the rest of us have taken it up the rumpus.
If somebody wants to join our big tent party, I am all for it. But they damn well better understand that this is, and was, FDR's party of the people - and if they want to work against us, then they can go join the other guys where they belong.
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That tells me all the rest I needed to know about a load of people I already considered 2 bit arseholes.
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This makes me mad. Maybe the Democratic leadership needs to stay out of this primary. Maybe all primaries. I do not live in Penn. but if I did I would vote for Sestak over Specter.
I can tell you the conservative Republicans in PA don't like Rendell one bit. They do like Spector, tho.
I personally don't like Pennsylvania, period. While all or most of the Republicans own all the land in between Pittsburgh and Philly making the majority of land itself, wako right wing territory. They don't have the numbers, the "poor" people out number the criminal land grabbers.
I am not too sure we the people in PA are going to listen to the fat cats up on the hill in the million dollar homes and 100 acre backyards this time.
It's been a long time coming, lets clean these idiots up around here. I think any real Democrat candidate would be Spector.
Rendell confuses me if he continues down his path, I think he will be the one loosing his seat. Time will tell.
Here's how schizophrenic PA is when it comes to politics. A list of Governors since 1967
Raymond Schafer Republican 67 to 71
Milton Shapp Democrat 71 to 79
Dick Thornburg Republican 79 to 87
Robert Casey Democrat Sr 87 to 95
Tom Ridge Republican 95 to 01
Mark Schweiker Republican 01 to 03
Ed Rendell Democrat 03 to present
PA is not a safe seat. Hell If Lynn Swann runs again he could win. A Wide Receiver in the NFL could be PA's next Governor. Don't think by attacking a Democratic PA Governor it's going to give you a more progressive PA Governor. It's going to move people in this state more to the right. That's the last thing I need is to see Lynn Swann running this state. Easy on Rendell, you're going to screw this state over if you go on some mission to unseat him. The Quakers will come out in mass to unseat him for some Republican.
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Thornburg got trounced when he ran for the Senate! And Tom Ridge won in 94.' Need I say more. Just like little Ricky, who was first elected in 94.'
If Ridge ran for office today, he would get squashed. Why do you think he didn't run this time? Apparently, he's better at reading the writing on the wall than you are.
And Lynn Swann? WTF is that supposed to mean? I suppose Ulysses S. Grant might win if he ran again too. in fact, he would have a better chance than Lynn Swann.
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Lynn Swann ran against Rendell in the last gubernatorial election. He came across as someone who could at least think and speak at the same time (so he made a favorable impression compared to Bush). He ran as a Republican. So if he ran again, he would probably get more support. Can't say that he would win. Depends on who was running as a Democrat.
Who says the rnc isn't having a effect, now it is Money, contact with SOCIAL CAPITALIST and CORPORATIONS, Blood Lines, Experience, these pieces of scum just never stop.
So what this clown is spoutting is you have to walk our walk and talk our talk, because we do not have enough on any new comer to allow them to upset our game.
I thought this was AMERICA, not some (RNC) Racicst Nazi Committe third world republic.
Mr. Spector is 80 years old, for crying out loud! Within a four hour span of any time on the 24-hour clock he could have rigor mortis set in.
Do you actually think that Democrats in PA who voted 4-5 times against Spector, for his Democrat opponent, are now going to vote for him because he jumped parties to avoid a primary fight against an endorsed candidate in his own GOP party?
You, sir, are not thinking too clearly.
I'm from Pennsylvania, and I believe Sestak would beat Specter. He's highly regarded in SE PA, and Specter has done some weird things lately.
Remember all the good things Specter has done for this country. Like helping cover up the JFK murder. Hail! Hail!
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