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Sen. Russ Feingold explained to Wolf Blitzer why he doesn't think a troop surge in Afghanistan makes any sense, and that he would vote against funding it.

BLITZER: Let's talk about this with Democratic Senator Russ Feingold of Wisconsin. He's a key member of both the Intelligence and Foreign Relations Committee.

Did I get that right, Senator?

SEN. RUSS FEINGOLD: That's right, Wolf.

BLITZER: All right, a key word there being key, is that...

FEINGOLD: That's right.

BLITZER: OK.

Let's talk a little bit about why you oppose what the president is doing. What's wrong with his logic?

FEINGOLD: Well, it just doesn't add up for me.

The president says, we're doing this. We're adding 30,000, 35,000 troops to finish the job. And I ask the question, "What job?" because the president has been so eloquent in pointing out our issue is fighting al Qaeda.

The argument falls apart when you realize that al Qaeda does not have its headquarters in Afghanistan anymore. It is headquartered in Pakistan. It is active in Somalia, and Yemen, North Africa, affiliates of it in Southeast Asia.

Why does it make sense to have a huge ground presence in Afghanistan to deal with a small al Qaeda contingent, when we don't do that in so many other countries where we're actually having some success without invading the country and attacking those that are part of al Qaeda? It doesn't make sense.

BLITZER: Well, here's how the president responds to that. I will play this clip from his speech last night.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: We must deny al Qaeda a safe haven. We must reverse the Taliban's momentum and deny it the ability to overthrow the government.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BLITZER: I guess the main point he's trying to make is, if -- if the U.S. were to lose, let's say, in Afghanistan, just walk away, all those al Qaeda operatives who have crossed the border into Pakistan would simply go back to a pre-9/11 situation that the Taliban would control and give them that safe haven in Afghanistan.

FEINGOLD: That's an incredibly unlikely scenario, in my view, that al Qaeda would find that to be the ideal place to return to. The notion that the Taliban would automatically welcome them with open arms is questionable, in light of the fact that in the first place they came into Afghanistan with the Taliban's blessing because they had a lot of money to pass around.

Now they are hiding in caves in Pakistan. And I'm wondering why the president thinks he shouldn't have ground forces and troops in countries all over the world that are not only potential, but current safe havens for al Qaeda. Why aren't we doing that approach of a huge land presence in those places, as in Northern Africa, in Yemen and Somalia? It doesn't make sense. Why this one place, where it's not the place that al Qaeda actually is headquartered in?

(CROSSTALK)

BLITZER: Have you spoken to the president about your concerns?

FEINGOLD: I have not had the opportunity, but I would enjoy it.

BLITZER: Because he obviously has given a great deal of thought to all of this. He's had many meetings in his own Situation Room. He's met with his intelligence and national security advisers. And he says the U.S. needs 100,000 troops in Afghanistan. But then they -- they can start withdrawing in July of 2011, in other words, a temporary surge and then the beginning of the, I guess, exodus. Is that -- is that something unacceptable to you?

FEINGOLD: Well, yes, because all you have got here are people are calling it a timeline. My -- timelines I have seen involve several points along a line. It doesn't involve one point in the future that could involve just withdrawing one American troop.

There's no sense at all of how long we will stay there. The withdrawal doesn't even begin for a year-and-a-half, and then there's absolutely no commitment to finishing the withdrawal. It simply says we will begin a withdrawal.

So, you know, it's nice to hear the word that -- the notion that we might not be staying there forever, but there's no meat on the bones. And so that troubles me a great deal. You have this huge surge of troop buildup, without any clear exit strategy, and my question is, what are we going to accomplish, with all the human sacrifice and economic sacrifice in the next three years, that is going to be much better than what we have now?

I'm extremely skeptical. And it will not help us in any significant way in the worldwide struggle against al Qaeda, which is my priority, is the president's priority, and is our national security priority.

BLITZER: Will you vote against funding for this new escalation in Afghanistan? The president says it's going to cost an extra $30 billion.

FEINGOLD: Absolutely.

You know, I started to raise this question in "The Christian Science Monitor" before we even knew who the new president was going to be. I didn't like the idea of the buildup that started late last year and that put us up to 60,000 or 70,000 troops.

I have been warning that this doesn't make sense and in fact that it may destabilize Pakistan, which many people agree with. And yet they are moving forward with it, without any, I think, serious regard for the regional consequences of this huge troop buildup.

BLITZER: The president is rejecting suggestions from some of his critics that this could be another quagmire, like Vietnam. I will play this little clip of what he said.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

OBAMA: And most importantly, unlike Vietnam, the American people were viciously attacked from Afghanistan and remain a target for those same extremists who are plotting along its border.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BLITZER: Do you see parallels with Vietnam?

FEINGOLD: I'm not interested in Vietnam analogies.

You know, our top priority is to protect our country, the people of our country, and to deal with the fact that we have enormous domestic problems. Taking all these resources, hundreds of billions of dollars, and sacrificing so much of our military in Afghanistan, when we have other international priorities and enormous priorities economically in our country, seems to be a very odd choice in a time of great crisis.

That's the problem, not whether it's similar to Vietnam. And that's not my interest at this point. I want to get it right right now. And this really seems to move in the wrong direction in almost every respect.

BLITZER: As normally a close ally and supporter of the president, how frustrated were you last night in listening to his speech?

FEINGOLD: Well, I knew it was coming. I felt it's been coming for a long time.

I was somewhat hopeful when the president indicated that he wasn't even given an option for a long time that involved any kind of exit or any kind of withdrawal. I was disappointed when he went with the troop increase, but at least he showed some rhetorical connection to the idea that we ought to not have this be open-ended.

And I'm hopeful that that thought will -- will grow in his mind and that of his advisers, that this really is a potential situation that is extremely draining for the United States, and I think counterproductive in our fight against al Qaeda.

So, I wasn't happy, but I respect the president. I think he was thoughtful. I think he cares about getting this right. I think he is sincere about it. I just don't agree with him. And it's my job, as an elected official, to express that, just as it is his job to exercise his judgment.

BLITZER: Senator Feingold, thanks very much for coming in.

FEINGOLD: Thank you, Wolf.

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CoIntelPro.PronktasticlyAgainst.SCLM.E-Voting.Incumbents's picture

OIL!!!


Some stuff you can't make up!

ron's picture

pipeline for oil and gas.

Milquetoast's picture

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audit-prosecute-incarcerate

BigDaddyMalcontent's picture

in love and war.

theinternetisnotatruck's picture

so that they don't oil us over here

fiver's picture

David Sirota: How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a president's political image?


Corruption favors the wealthy.

Stupid Git's picture

You don't ask. You command.

Abbybwood's picture

KILL BIN LADEN!!:

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/US-President-Ba...

Get with the freakin' program already dude!


"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn

Pakistan = Nukes
Iran = Nukes

Iraq = No Nukes
Afghanistan = No Nukes

The goal...unlimited war (translation = feed the military industrial complex and keep those dollars flowing), that you can sell to the American People with low political repercussions.

There's your answer.


Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.

Evet's picture

Black Ops types sneaking around the country picking off people who aren't friendly to western interests.

Stupid Git's picture

As Feingold said, we're doing that in many other places. But, when half the Federal budget is for war, what would we do without it? There's be a lot of private companies who need to murder to make a profit.

To end war, we need to have a "government take-over" of the military again. Just like prisons, healthcare and energy. Making essential industries "for profit" turns human necessity into a commodity.

Alice X - Chomsky Nader's picture

Gold Men and their Sacks on the street with the wall. It makes sense to them.

Beaucoup de Warbucks.


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Abbybwood's picture

Did you see where the Wall Street Banker Boyz are gettin' nervous and have decided to start "packing heat" in The Big Apple?:

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2009/12/goldma...

I wonder if the CEO's of United Health Plans and AHIP will be the next to decide they need to pack heat in order to defend themselves against "the peasants"?


"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn

fiver's picture

Most Insurance CEOs consistently carry a list of all exclusions and exceptions and riders to each of their policies.

It's far more effective than Kevlar.


Corruption favors the wealthy.

Alice X - Chomsky Nader's picture

Hey Abby

Marla Singer (nom de guerre) has the best takedown of Alice (no relation) Schroeder's Bloomberg piece at the den of Zeroes here.

If you didn't see it at Naked Cap, this is what Yves Smith (nom de guerre actually Susan Webber] calls the "most important must read" she has come across. A pretty strong statement.

See has pointed me towards several Marxian and Marxist treatises that are quite astonishing, which is something from one so thoroughly from the capitalists' fold. There is hope, oops, sorry…

The latest is here from here from

WHAT IS GOOD FOR GOLDMAN SACHS IS GOOD FOR AMERICA

THE ORIGINS OF THE CURRENT CRISIS

Robert Brenner
Center for Social Theory and Comparative History
UCLA

18 April 2009

pdf here

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Did you give your son a good lesson on how to clean his apartment?


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Abbybwood's picture

Since I've been AT MY SON'S APARTMENT ALL DAY CLEANING!!! HA!!!

What a day.

This is my youngest son's pad on the beach in Marina del Rey, Cali. He moved into this bachelor about three years ago and has only gone into the "kitchen" from time to time to throw something into the microwave. Ugggh....

I actually had fun "Feng Shui'ing" the kitchen today! I gave it an enema!

When he finally came back after working all day he was in shock! "Wow! There was a CARPET under all that shit!?"

He has a nice patio and I mentioned putting in a cool plant that will attract some hummingbirds plus a new hummingbird feeder and some wind chimes from The Rose Cafe and he said, "Would that be too gay?!"

Little does he know that now that I have a key, his place will be my new day-time hang.

Doh!


"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn

fiver's picture

Joe Lieberman isn't the only one with the power to throw a fit and gum up the works.

Talk is cheap, and progressive talk from Washington is worth pennies on the dollar lately.


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fastfeat's picture

A cinder block wall would have been more receptive to explanation.


"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."

---Southwest Airlines

Don't say war to Wolf. He'll start thinking about the time he was sent to Israel to cover Desert Storm, and how he almost wet himself when the rockets started falling.


Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.

ricky's picture

reformed all our political problems so this sort of thing quit happening.

Wait, that was bipartisan sell out stuff.


"Folks, this is not your father's Republican Party."
Joe Biden

Peter G's picture

"Why does it make sense to have a huge ground presence in Afghanistan to deal with a small al Qaeda contingent, when we don't do that in so many other countries..."
Guess where the troops are going next?


Hasa Diga Eebowai

Evet's picture

the boots, guns, ammo, ready to eat meals, trucks, boats, bombs, aircraft, etc, etc that's partly why it makes sense.

savannah43's picture

?

ron's picture

forget the American flags then.

Small amounts of troops don't cost enough.

We need LOTS...then we need more trucks, barracks, tents, uniforms, meals, shoelaces, underwear....


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That Mick Piobr's picture

I believe we're being screwed by a Democratic President.

Again.

ysbaddaden's picture
)O(

Damn lobbyists from Kentucky!!!


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

Actually, we're not being screwed by our President.

Mr. Obama campaigned on a promise to increase troop levels in with Afghanistan and concentrate on the terrorists in that region.

Hey, I'm a very liberal woman and I marched against the war but Mr. Obama is fulfilling a campaign promise ..

Never said much about a troop escalation of this level. Oh, the wonders of a vague electoral programme!

And here is some free advice, if you have to provide a disclaimer to tell us "how liberal you are but..." chances are that you are not that liberal.

savannah43's picture

Anyone?

A nice reacharound for the war profiteers.


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surfjac's picture

..so that the Afghan Army and Police force can take over our refereeing of the civil war in Afghanistan.
Our mission WAS to capture and/or kill obl, neutralize al qaeda and the taliban. w and friends SCREWED it up and stopped caring about this battle when they illegally invaded Iraq. Obama and this nation are now paying for that.
I don't think the President had many options. None of the options he did have were happy, smily face things. I would have rather seen him pull the troops out but at the very least, he established a deadline. In July 2011, his 2012 re-election will hang in the balance.


Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"

fiver's picture

Sounds familiar.

How long do you think it will take to train the Afghanis to fight? I mean, after 2,500 years with victories over Alexander the Great, Chengis Khan, and the Soviet Union, you'd think they'd be pretty good at it by now.


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BigDaddyMalcontent's picture

the British.

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Let's see, superb natural fighters, living in a harsh desert environment, major export is a drug which drives their entire economy...

Well no wonder no one's beaten them: Afghanistan is full of Fremen!

any place which has a national sport which pretty much amounts to playing polo with a live goat calf as the ball... sort of screams "stay the f*ck out."

Yeah lets engage battle hardened fanatic warriors defending their homeland high out of their minds on all sorts of opiates so that we can get a geriatric jackass with failing kidneys and a massive inferiority complex, what could possibly go wrong?

have fulfilled his obligation arising from his statement/"promise."

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I'm sure you used your own country's 'scale of liberalism' to determine that I'm "not that liberal" . .

Pleazzzze . .

Alice X - Chomsky Nader's picture

status quObama, change you can pretend in.


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Floridiot's picture

if you happen to be a hard liner Israeli

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How about a little partisan loyalty to President Obama, eh Russ?

President Obama didn't invade this armpit of a country.

SOOOO, Russ Feingold KNOWS where the al qaeda 'headquarters' are in Pakistan, WELL, do tell, Russ, lotsa people will NOT DIE if you share your OMG secret intel with the POTUS instead of 'leaking BS' on CNN . .

Duh, al qaeda has 'headquarters'??????

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Warmongers unite!


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Alice, trust me, I'm no warmonger. I marched against the war in 90 degree August heat down NYC streets. I hope Bush and his chickenhawks rot in hell for obvious reasons . .

But google Mr. Obama's campaign speeches and you'll find that he campaigned to finish the 'job' in Afghanistan.

Why is everyone soooo surprised ???

ysbaddaden's picture
)O(

I'm not.

But I was hoping for more Special Forces and less kids from Padunk Iowa.


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

Is there some secret State the we draw Special Forces from?


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)O(

Diabolus est Deus Inversus

BigDaddyMalcontent's picture

isn't necessarily synonymous with sending 35,000 more troops. Finishing the job could mean rebuilding infrastructure, supporting politicians who aren't drug kingpins, ending our partnership with ISI, etc.

surfjac's picture

..all the while worrying that I would be kidnapped or shot at by some militia or drug lord the US is currently keeping in check. The increase in troops will hopefully allow for some of that.


Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"

Which requires what to protect them until everything is up and running?

Give you a hint, it rhymes with "the military".

BigDaddyMalcontent's picture

once in the last thousand years, what makes you think it will work now?

I was not aware we (or anyone) tried that approach yet. Last time I checked, we withdrew a ton of folks, sent them to Iraq and had the special ops doing what people here are suggesting for most of the last eight years.

BigDaddyMalcontent's picture

Do you have a point?

I could link something that has little to no bearing to the topic if you would like. I think it wastes people's time and comes off a like foolish though.

BigDaddyMalcontent's picture

that invading and occupying Afghanistan is a recipe for disaster, as has been demonstrated over & over again.

And since we are making arrangements to leave Afghanistan, your point is not valid unless the meaning of occupation has somehow changed.

BigDaddyMalcontent's picture

just to avoid admitting Obama is fallible. We've been occupying Afghanistan for eight years now, and Obama is proposing an additional three years. That seems completely in line with the most widely accepted definition of "occupation." To quote you, "Do you have a point? I think it wastes people's time and comes off a like foolish though. (sic)"

fiver's picture

And when I'm watching the Bears the question of whether or not there was pass interference on almost any given play is answered simply by determining whether the Bears are on offense or defense.

Noooo surprises.


Corruption favors the wealthy.

ysbaddaden's picture
)O(

Diabolus est Deus Inversus

BigDaddyMalcontent's picture

many of us voted for Obama DESPITE his Afghanistan pronouncements, not because of them. He should've expected resistance from his constituents on this issue.

AngryGus's picture

!?


Cue the Kabuki....

Stupid Git's picture

OK. I'll go iron my brown shirt and polish my jackboots.

Party loyalty isn't something to be proud of. This is the real world, not a football game.

Tyler Durden's picture

... as the Bush fans were during the justification of military blunder after military blunder. Party over country, all over again... sigh.

Well, that was a change I was not hoping to see.

Partisan loyalty? The one thing we have going for us is our ability to call out Obama when he fucks up, unlike any Bush supporter, who, no matter how badly he fucked up they would blindly support him. Which is why we are in the pickle we're in.

They STILL won't admit he ever made one mistake.

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I suggest that Feingold ask Sibel Edmonds that question. She gave the reason WHY, and they shut her up. I think Black Tar had something to do with it.

It was also mentioned a few day back that Turkey was the main benefactor of our invasion of Iraq. It's also doing quite well after Afghanastan.

ysbaddaden's picture
)O(

It's hard to canonize the living

Without a cannonade first,

How many cannons do you need to squeeze to get cannonade?


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

I wish someone would answer one simple question: What is winning in Afganistan?

Further more, how are we to pay for it? 1,000,000 per soldier, per year. Do we put in on our Chinese credit card or raise taxes? Conservatives are so hard core about not spending money we don't have unless it comes to blowing shit up to make military contrators billions.

Fuck I'm mad right now. Obama PROMISED! This whole war is so stupid and counterproductive. Obama is not even going to be a GOOD one term President.

What is winning in Afganistan?

A McDonalds on one side of every street and a Starbuck's on the other side.


Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.

What is winning in Afganistan?

I guess winning will be when they dust off Bush's old flight suit and codpiece for Obama so he can stage a landing on an aircraft carrier below a banner reading "Mission Accomplished". When that happens we'll know the war is over and we can return our soldiers home over the course of a decade or two or three.

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)O(

Diabolus est Deus Inversus

ysbaddaden's picture
)O(

Fish sticks are nothing but minced up and processed fish gonads.


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

I thought they were referring to fish dicks
I guess I must be nuts

constituent's picture

the continuing quest for crude oil and liquified nat. gas. with al-queda as the boogeyman.

ysbaddaden's picture
)O(

Diabolus est Deus Inversus

Liberalicious's picture

why everyone is obsessed with this topic.

I mean, Tiger Woods' MARRIAGE is in trouble!!!!

/snark

fiver's picture

... is running the CBS Evening News.

I feel that we are well prepared to endure these trying times.


Corruption favors the wealthy.

Also, Sarah Palin uses a plane on her bus tour. I don't why everyone is so obsessed with this silly war shit.

ysbaddaden's picture
)O(

I think there's a way of modifying Gen. Smedley Butler's recommendations for our era, especially since he seemed to be sarcastic with some of his advice.

War action will require a referendum for Congress to use when Declaring war.

We use the Constitutional war declaration only (exempting true emergencies to be defined)

All industries required for the war effort are Nationalized

Strict enforcement and penalties for War Profiteering,

A draft with no exceptions for the college bound

A progressive tax to help pay for the war

War Crimes prosecution (especially on the decision making and order giving levels).

I'm just forming the list, so there may be more.

It's not enough to issue vapid comments like it's time to end the war machine.


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

referendum.

Mr. Obama, the constitutional scholar, hasn't done much to restore that fact, and return those powers to congress. Both, Iraq and Afghanistan were half assedly declared wars. You can't win a war started that way, period.

Congress wants War Powers back so they can get more knee time with the lobbyists.


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)O(

But Butler's suggestion was a good one about the referendum.

But I think Congress shouldn't be able to even raise the issue of war without a referendum, which they can of course call for. I think referendums falls outside the structure of the Article 1, Section 8, without breaking it, since after all, Congress is supposed to represent their constituencies, and it's similar to earlier sections, now amended, where Congress decides who won elections, based on received ballots.

I'm also sick today, and that's why I'm here more, and probably making more sense than normal.


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

savannah43's picture

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ysbaddaden's picture
)O(

Not as written, but realistically probably.

I think by 1800 they were already changing the process.


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

so technically that is a referendum. Unless you meant that each member of congress carries a referendum in his or her district and represents their vote accordingly in the house later on.

In either case, these were wars that have lasted more than almost any other conflict in our history.... and yet, they were declared under the utmost disdain for our constitution.

We need to have a real debate on these issues. We can't as a nation continue down this path. I am sorely disappointed that a supposedly constitutional scholar hasn't done much to restore our principal document after the daily attacks conducted by the Bush junta for 8 long years.

he has a doctorate, not because he is an expert. I hope that makes you a little less disappointed. Do not expect much from him on this point. Con Law is a first year course. No heavy lifting there.

a constitutional scholar.

Scholar implies you have learn about the stuff, not necessarily that you are the ultimate expert in it. ;-)

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I meant in their districts.

Let those who'll fight the wars, their parents, their spouses decide to risk their lives for the issue.


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

Middle East wars are decided by a spin of the dredel in the House of Representatives. The sides of the dredel have the names of the countries in play.

There is not a "no war" option.


Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.

AngryGus's picture

win!


Cue the Kabuki....

AngryGus's picture

..when he said during his campaign that he wanted to restore Constitutional governance when elected. But by his latest move, committing the U.S. to a full-scale war in Afghanistan on the basis of a lie and without any proper war resolution from Congress, he has joined his predecessor in further debasing the Constitution and the country.
Governing by lies, is no way to govern; but I guess some lead by example, and some follow their predecessors example on how to lead with LIES.


Cue the Kabuki....

Abbybwood's picture

Best wishes,
Abbybwood


"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn

here today demonstrating how little the elected officials in our
government understand about the war powers of Congress.

I am particularly impressed to learn that the power to declare war is reserved to a referendum passed by a majority vote in the House.

As soon as I feel the urgency and an open thread presents itself I will be offering instant expertise on laws of physics. I am sure all of you will be as equally inpressed with my scholarship as I have been with that stated here on this topic.


"Folks, this is not your father's Republican Party."
Joe Biden

fiver's picture

... where either nobody or everybody is an expert.

Still, Article I, Section 8:

The Congress shall have Power... To declare War.

Is that a "congressional referendum"?

potAto/potAHto


Corruption favors the wealthy.

ricky's picture

As best I can tell from the scholarly discussion above it is an enumerated power.

Since I offered no opinion, but merely applauded those who did, we will have to wait until they see fit to weigh in.


"Folks, this is not your father's Republican Party."
Joe Biden

ysbaddaden's picture
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Diabolus est Deus Inversus

real_earl's picture

"FEINGOLD: ... (snip)...It doesn't make sense."
"BLITZER: Well, here's how the president responds to that. I will play this clip from his speech last night. "

So ... Wolfie, ...The President responded last nite to Fiengold's answer today ... whoa! how'd he do that ... ?

Man, thats some high-end, Grade A journalism right there ...

and how come the President gets to have "his own Situation Room"
is he copying off Wolfie now?


I'm Boycotting NewsCorp! Heres what not to buy: http://www.cjr.org/resources/index.php?c=news...

Please, that ass clown Blitzer is an embarrassment to sentient beings.


Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.

ysbaddaden's picture
)O(

How about the scentient?


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

real_earl's picture

Scentientology...? naw ...that ain't it ...


I'm Boycotting NewsCorp! Heres what not to buy: http://www.cjr.org/resources/index.php?c=news...

real_earl's picture

during the Bu$hWar (didnt want to pay .01 cent to FOX)
so the only time I see this stuff is here ...
its kind of shockmazing to see what passes for 'serious journalism' ...

Wolfie couldnt make it as a reporter on Sesame Street..(they havent dumped Kermit yet have they?)

(kind of like growing up on Gershwin, and the New York Philharmonic, then turning on MTV to hear some music ...)


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Actually for years I wanted a nightly Muppet News Cast: Kermit Anchorman, Miss Piggy Entertainment Reporter, Fozzi Bear, Economic Reporter, Professor Honeydew and Beaker Science News, and Sam the Bald Eagle Political Reporter.


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

BigDaddyMalcontent's picture

get pwned by Andy Richter on Celebrity Jeapordy?

savannah43's picture

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real_earl's picture

n/t


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Tyler Durden's picture

... some of that science fiction year 2000 bullsh*t tech they have over at CNN.

The president in HIS OWN situation room...

Yeah. I noticed that. Wolfie never disappoints, creepy schmuck.


far left loon >.<

ysbaddaden's picture
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Diabolus est Deus Inversus

sixandseveneights's picture

Since voting for hope and change it would seem progressives have fought with Obama almost as much as they did with Bush.

Because there has been very little hope and change.

AngryGus's picture

that good HOPE DOPE.....still have not got my change back; and that shit didn't get me high for more than a minute!


Cue the Kabuki....

Tyler Durden's picture

I wonder why?

and fighting with Obama have not exactly been happy with any government of the Unites States that has existed in their lifetime.
And if any of them can cite one they like historically, I am sure
others will quickly point out its fatal flaws.


"Folks, this is not your father's Republican Party."
Joe Biden

So what's yer point? I can't think of any gubbermint I've liked, because none of them have been progressive.

disclaimer: I'm Canadian and they all look like right-wing military juntas.


far left loon >.<

BigDaddyMalcontent's picture

It's because every administration since Andrew Jackson's has danced at the end of Wall Street's strings.

Edwin's picture

That too!!


far left loon >.<

Milquetoast's picture

hence.

(unless) you have a "flexible vocabulary"

(and no doubt, ...politicians have "extremely flexible" vocabularies!

I don't see what Feingold's problem is...(snark)


audit-prosecute-incarcerate

ysbaddaden's picture
)O(

I put his on the hutchinson thread, but it seems equally applicable here:

"And when the end of the Yuga comes, the right hand will deceive the left and the left the right. And men with false reputation of learning will contract Truth and the old will betray the senselessness of the young, and the young will betray the dotage of the old. And cowards will have the reputation of bravery and the brave will be cheerless like cowards. And towards the end of the Yuga men will cease to trust one another. And full of avarice and folly the whole world will have but one kind of food. And sin will increase and prosper, while virtue will fade and cease to flourish."

I prefer to think of myself this way:

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http:/...


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

ricky's picture

slimmer in the hip than is, in reality, the case.


"Folks, this is not your father's Republican Party."
Joe Biden

ysbaddaden's picture
)O(

Actually, the quote's from, Kali Yuga, From The Mahabharata, Vana Parva, Section CLXXXIX
Translated by Sri Kisari Mohan Gangul,

And if I was that oracle, I'd be getting off alright but not with drugs.

(Besides, they used volcanic fumes, not drugs, over which they sat with a three legged stool, and a priest would translate for the petitioner. However Greek poets were known to munch on a much more powerful form of laurel leaves than we are familiar with).

But then like the oracle everyone thinks one is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKZHwf5q22g&fe...


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

Tyler Durden's picture

... I had the Venkatanarasimharajuvaripeta translation. Sorry for the confussion.

ysbaddaden's picture
)O(

Man I wish this dizzy spell I've been having today would pass.


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

ysbaddaden's picture
)O(

Diabolus est Deus Inversus

RitaC's picture

We had to go to Afghanistan because we cannot, legitimately, go to Pakistan, which is where Al-Qaeda has it's safe havens. By increasing pressure in Afghanistan, we will be able to fight the Taliban that are in cohorts with Al-Qaeda, which is different from what the Pakistan army is doing, which is, to fight the Taliban that are targeting internal Pakistani targets. It's imperative to understand that these goals are different. And that is why is makes sense to increase our troop presence in Afghanistan.

Alice X - Chomsky Nader's picture

Workers Warmongers of the world unite!


statusquObama, change you can only pretend in

Tyler Durden's picture

that in order to defeat Al-Quaida, we need to think and act like OBL.

I am actually getting a hoot seeing all these so-called progressives turning their warmongering full on, now that their guy is in the WH. Apparently, the deciding factor to support war, for some people, it is not that war is bad but whether or not the speech used to justify the war was good or bad. I am sure if Bush had taken some dictation classes, some people in this site would have had no problem with him...

Oh, well..

ysbaddaden's picture
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I thought for a moment you said diction classes.

Moanica could teach it.


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

Tyler Durden's picture

;-P

ysbaddaden's picture
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Sometimes I suspected that repressed sexuality has sparked my cognitive and ratiocination processes

But in every direction like a shotgun.

My computer background:

http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs23/f/2008/010/f/...


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

ysbaddaden's picture
)O(

I was teasing my brain and it byte me.


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

calgarylady's picture

I hope your head doesn't hurt too much ;)

ysbaddaden's picture
)O(

Head of what?


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

calgarylady's picture

btw, I'm sorry you're sick. Like you, I wasn't feeling 100% yesterday so I spent most of the day sleeping. I'm feeling much better today.

Get well soon, ysb!

Mike in Milwaukee's picture

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JerryO's picture

...giving that speech at West Point, I would probably be agreeing with Feingold. Bush is a pathological liar. But it wasn't. I want U.S. presence completely out of the ME myself. As much as Obama has disappointed my vote thus far, I believe him on this. Candidate Obama made many promises concerning many issues on information that was available to him as Senator Obama. Now that he is on the throne and sees intelligence that wasn't available to him before, it's a whole 'nother can o' worms. If he says a surge is necessary for the security of this nation and the security of other free countries in the world, I believe him. Many people also are taking his time-line and withdrawal date as written in stone. It isn't. I pray the job can be done in that time frame, but I doubt it. Dick and George did a pretty good job of tying the hands of their successor. The shitty thing is, if things turn out reasonably well to good in the ME in the near future, you can bet Cheney will have his ugly face all over the tube taking the credit because it was his boys who 'opened the door'. If it's a crashing failure...Obama is will own it and Cheney's ugly face will still be on the tube saying "I told you he 'dithered' too long".


Government + the Federal Reserve = organized crime

I pray you can tell me what "the job" is and what "being done" means.

Kreskin's picture

Oh it makes sense alright , there's big money to be had . Gotta keep Haliburtin , Black water , the defense contractors and the mercenaries busy and make Wall Street investors happy . Greenwald : " One million bucks per troop per year , 100,000 troops and how many mercenaries to kill 100 cave dwelling donkey riding Taliban ? The only "loyal" Afghan's are the ones we have bribed and are paying off monthly , the government we installed is 100 % corrupt , the people say the government is just as bad as the Taliban " . What is the definition of insanity ? No matter , the bottom line is that it's all about the $ , profiteering .


Insanity , it is what it is , there is no understanding it .

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This distraction of Afghanistan is just that, the military Industrial Complex in conjunction with Black Water and secret negotiations with Israel are planning a Major Invasion of Iran.

you are talking about a General that lied about the death of One of Our Own, you are talking about a General that LIED to that Soldiers FAMILY and now I am suppose to believe this LIAR about troops to Afghanistan, sorry it does not wash.

Anyone notice how the rabid Chicken hawks have calmed down, this is about the Military Industrial Complex, the Socialist Corporations and the Raping of the American Tax payer.

Want proof look at Health care now look at the FREE hand OUT to the Military industrial Complex and the Socialized Corporations, show me and PROVE to me that the Later Lying Cheating Scum isn't stealing from us. This is about a setup for IRAN.

Tyler Durden's picture

China needs Iranian oil, we need Chinese money, the Israelis need Chinese contracts to stay afloat.

The funny thing is that the leaders of those countries need each other, their domestic problems can be dealt with more easily when a handy boogeyman is around. Heck, I am sure the presidents of Iran, Israel, China, and the US must make vacation plans together.

No one is going to touch Iran for another reason. Iran is capable of at least holding out well enough. They can inflict enough pain on our Navy if it were in the region (as it would need to be in the event of an invasion) to make a conventional war a really painful encounter.

mangojoey's picture

When are the politicians going to be remined that our troops are not "fly paper" that attracts the Al-Queda terrorists. Remember Bush's old spin point, "We're fighting them there so we don't have to fight them here" and the shill media drove that message to the Rush and Bill'O and Hannity drones? How stupid do they think we are to accept this? There are Al-Queda strongholds all over the world---even stronger than in Iraq/Afganistan. Now our troops are the "bait" to attract the terrorists? Al-Queda is way too smart to fight us head on anywhere. Yet we are told that more troops are going to reduce the threat to us.
As stated before it is all about the pipeline and oil and gas and and our presence there and our lawmakers who prostitute their influence and votes to the highest bidders.

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