Mr. Noun, a Verb and 9-11 Giuliani Trying to Scare Americans on Health Care Reform
Rudy needs a little more work on his be afraid, be very afraid shtick when it comes to health care reform. He obviously hasn't had quite enough time to recite Frank Luntz's talking points memo since he stumbled and stuttered through the interview. Blitzer actually tries calling him out for some of the talking points, but of course like a good little Villager, relents in the end and doesn't really challenge him.
BLITZER: Let's talk about health care reform, a critical issue right now for the country.
Republican Senator Jim DeMint from South Carolina, he made news this week when he said this: "If we're able to stop Obama on this it will be his Waterloo. It will break him."
He's not backing away from that either.
Do you agree with Senator DeMint?
GIULIANI: Well, I think it's a critical measure for a different reason. I don't see the politics of it as much as I do a tremendous impact that I think could have a destructive impact on the American system as we know it. I doubt that...
BLITZER: Because right now, 40 million or 45 million Americans don't have any health insurance.
GIULIANI: They don't, but about half of them could afford it if it was just more affordable. And what you don't want to do is ruin the system for the whatever million, 90 million, 100 million, 118 million.
BLITZER: Because President Obama keeps saying if you like what you have with the private insurance, if you like your doctor, you can keep exactly that. Nothing is going to change.
GIULIANI: Well, then what are all these commissioners that he's appointing that are going to determine health care outcomes? And the fact that you add 30 million, 40 million people to a government program that's already very large means the government will be the major player in health care. It already is pretty close...
(CROSSTALK)
BLITZER: He says that he wants one government option to compete with the private insurance companies.
GIULIANI: But that government option will be so big, it will just overwhelm all private insurance companies. If it's 40 million people, that conceivably could be part of it.
BLITZER: But that doesn't necessarily mean all 40 million would opt for that government option.
GIULIANI: No. What it does mean, it means that a lot of people who presently have private insurance will opt for it because it will be cheaper. In fact, they believe -- the estimates believe that at least half the people that join that government program will be people who presently have private insurance.
BLITZER: Their argument is if there's a cheaper government option, that will put pressure on the private insurers like Blue Cross/Blue Shield, UnitedHealthcare, whatever, to lower their premiums.
GIULIANI: Well, it also will mean they may lower their service. And they may -- you read this bill carefully, which is one of the reasons...
BLITZER: Which bill are you talking about?
GIULIANI: I'm talking about the House bill. If you read the bill carefully, it has things in it like a government official determining whether you can have stents after you're 59 years old.
BLITZER: Well, right now, a private insurance company bureaucrat is making that kind of decision.
GIULIANI: Yes, but you can walk out on that if you want.
BLITZER: But if you don't have any -- if you might not have any options, you might not leave that insurance company.
GIULIANI: And you can -- and you have different insurance companies that have different programs. And your employer or you can shop between different programs. When the government makes that decision for 40 million, 50 million people, that's a very frightening...
BLITZER: Because the argument is, you know, do you trust a Blue Cross/Blue Shield bureaucrat or a UnitedHealthcare bureaucrat any more than you would trust a U.S. government bureaucrat?
GIULIANI: I trust lots of different companies being available, competing with each other. I really believe there should be a lot more competition and a lot more of it should be turned over to private enterprise. I trust my doctor to be able to deal with four or five different private companies rather than a big, massive government that frightens the heck out of you running this.
BLITZER: So you don't believe these private insurance companies would be able to survive if there were this government insurer?
GIULIANI: I think that private insurance will be overwhelmed. Right now, Medicaid has a big impact on the pricing of private insurance. If you all of a sudden double, in essence, the size of Medicaid, it will overwhelm -- private insurance companies will be gone.
And this whole argument over whether we're nationalizing health care or not, I think part of the problem is the administration is having is they're not being honest. Yes, they want to nationalize health care. That is precisely what they're doing when they build these big government...
BLITZER: They deny that.
GIULIANI: Well, what's the big government insurance companies?
BLITZER: It's going to be one option available to individuals. If you like what you got now, they say keep it.
GIULIANI: But if you don't, then you join the 40 million or 50 million who are part of the nationalized health care. That's bigger than socialized medicine in England.
There aren't that many people in the socialized medicine program in England. And if these models worked in England and Canada and elsewhere, it would be great. But what the heck do we want to become England and Canada for? They're coming here for treatment. Nobody goes there for treatment.
Blitzer...okay we'll change the subject now thank you. Mr. Loser Giuliani, just what do you think of how the President is doing so far? Oh, he's a super scary socialist who pals around with terrorists? That's just what I thought you'd say. Thanks for coming in.
Okay, he didn't actually say that, but it was close. Really Wolf, you couldn't get John McCain and Fred Thompson for some follow ups as well?
It's nice that we have the MSM to help educate the people about the costs and benefits of our American health (non)insurance system and the single payer systems. Look at all the experts that get air time: Guiliani, Hatch, Boehner, DeMint, and any republican obstructionist.
Why give the people the opinions of real experts so they can make an informed decision? Instead, we are informed by unscrupulous politicians (and a media) that fail to disclose the money they receive from health insurance companies to lie to us.
You wonder why people behave as they do? Don't turn to religion for your answer; turn to the public square the next time there is an execution and look into the eyes of the citizens. Naked crime:they revel in it.It is their life,their sustenance,their joy
They have to be getting desperate if they have trotted out this old whore. I do not know where to start to debunk his nonsense, so I will just ask this: Was his appearance on CNN yesterday? Because he was on Hardball yesterday spewing the same lies and even more on other matters. Guiliani got a mob conviction in NYC 20 some years ago, and now he's an expert on everything? If you look up the word "integrity" in a dictionary, you will NOT see his picture there.
Yes. I particularly like his comments about how people will be able to afford insurance if it's more affordable. Deeply insightful, particularly taking into consideration the millions who can't spare a cent because they're either unemployed or paid too little to have any money to spare for health insurance.
Oh, and there's that crazy bit about how the system is just fine right now and all we need is to get more people into it by reducing costs. Right. And the insurance companies will have even greater incentive to cancel your policy the minute you get sick. Just like they do now, only sooner and to more people, because the greedy bastards will be making less per customer. Great system, Rudy!
is digging deep into the cesspool these days. where's gingrich?
Some stuff you can't make up!
gingrich is deeper down in the cesspool.
Gingrich and Sanford are scoping babes on C Street! It's the new "in" spot!
Besides his dubious but well promoted work in New York, his political career, especially his presidential primary stats suck. Hard. Real hard. But the machine of opinion and consent must be fed.
The Studio 54 for the aging GOP adulterer.
Someone shold bring 9ui11iani's words back to haunt him.
Back when he had his own health scare, providing health care was very important to him. Now that he's better, the idea is frightening again.
http://the-billablog.blogspot.com/
Doing NOTHING!
Personally, from what I've read so far about "The Public Option" I think it's pretty frightening too.
http://www.pnhp.org/news/2009/july/why_obamas...
(BTW...the news just came out that Harry Reid announced that the Senate will NOT be voting on health care reform before the August 8 recess).
But maintaining the status quo is immoral, unacceptable and un-American at it's core.
The MSM should be hanging their heads in shame right now. Do they honestly think we don't see that they are purposely blocking any discussion of "Single Payer"?
This is why ABC's Corporate Headquarters in NYC is going to get dumped with thousands of petitions next Tuesday. It was a big mistake for them to "disinvite" Obama's personal physician, Dr. David Scheiner, to their little Health Care Pow Wow.
My feeling is that we are at political war right now with our own Congress. They need to understand in no uncertain terms that no matter how much money they receive from health care corporate insurance companies, they still work for US.
This is personal for me. That's why I'm taking the train to NYC next Tuesday to help deliver the petitions to the schmucks at ABC.
Always Backing Corporations.
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
July 22, 2009 - HEALTH CARE BILL 'VERY FRIGHTENING'
GIULIANI: Well, it also will mean they may lower their service. And they may -- you read this bill carefully, which is one of the reasons...
BLITZER: Which bill are you talking about?
GIULIANI: I'm talking about the House bill. If you read the bill carefully, it has things in it like a government official determining whether you can have stents after you're 59 years old.
BLITZER: Well, right now, a private insurance company bureaucrat is making that kind of decision.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0907/2...
July 9, 2009 - Senior Death Warrants e-mail
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/is_it_t...
October 29, 2007 - Giuliani Radio Ad: "Chances"
GIULIANI: My chance of surviving prostate cancer, and thank God I was cured of it, in the United States, 82%. My chances of surviving prostate cancer in England, only 44% under socialized medicine.
http://www.swpho.nhs.uk/resource/view.aspx?RI...
http://seer.cancer.gov/statfacts/html/prost.html
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/a_bog...
http://www.factcheck.org/bogus_cancer_stats_a...
Good work Tommy!
Mr. 9-11 is about as informative as he ever is. Not one bit.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Didn't government-funded health care treat Giuliani's cancer?
anything for treatment most likely.
Both his wife and his mistress were living in the Mayoral mansion, one of them may have signed something.
There's no law requiring a person to sign any contract they don't want to be in.
If we opt out of ALL the options?
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
LOL . .
Your state must not mandate car insurance then.
They are afraid that the profits of the insurance companies will drop. Profits above people. If the government can do nothing right, then they have nothing to worry about.
Does he even have a job?
Corruption favors the wealthy.
Pay (and healthcare plans) must be rather lucrative.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
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Wow. What a bunch of bullshit from both of them. How about some coherent talking points for a change.
Something that gets overlooked quite a bit is the fact that WE pay for the healthcare plan for all the politicans that are telling us that we don't deserve the same healthcare that they have. I'm truly tired of the asshole lickers that can't see that. I pay taxes that provides them with the best care my money can buy. Maybe I should stop sending a portion of my taxes so I can buy healthcare for myself and family and tell these goobers to kiss my ass. Or better yet, form a coalition that will demand and end to gov. provided HC for every member of Congress as well as the Military until we receive the same. Considering my taxes provides coverage for them, but not my family, I say screw em'.
Bennett, etc must love the gravy train CNN (and the others) who keep ladling on the cash to these fucks. Were it not for them providing the trough, these pigs may well have disappeared into the obscurity that they truly deserve.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
Dearest Giulia!
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can someone please explain to me why giuliani is an expert regarding healthCare insurance? private health insurance corporations are "too big to compete against" consequently prices rise or in this case
"sky rocket" as president obama has suggested. healthCare insurers are reporting record profits.they don't give a damn about 5-10 years from now. wellpoint insurers 71% of iowa residents.there's little to NO competition. medicare will bankrupt this country unless the healthCare system becomes more efficient,everyone is covered and has more competition.
The big insurance companies have divided the country into regions, and different companies cover different regions. NY, for instance, is almost completely covered by BCBS. Research this. See for yourself. There is no competition. There is a conspiracy, and RICO should be used to stop it.
... insurance companies are exempt from anti-trust legislation.
There is no competition.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
That's where I was going.
I just heard Chris Dodd also say that most people are happy with their healthcare. I would like to challenge that assertion. I have always paid for healthcare and I am very concerned about making any major claims. First, I don't know that my provider wont try to get out of paying for it; second, I don't know that I won't beexcluded from coverage altogether in the future because I have now put into the system that I have a pre-existing condition.
I am very sympathetic with those people who don't have healthcare and I think it's a moral obligation to make sure everyone's covered -- just like we cover police protection, fire protection, and public schools.
On the other hand, that's just not the whole problem. There are plenty of us who pay into the system who, when the chips are down, may not have the coverage we think we do. Lots and lots of people with coverage still go bankrupt and lose their houses to healthcare debts.
what's somewhat interesting is that people are 'happy' with their healthCare insurance until they actually use it. it's not unlike credit card contracts very difficult to understand by design. in addition to that consumers have little understanding of what appropriate coverage is needed. the healthCare insurance industry is heavily involved in the buyer beware strategy. it now requires an attorney to fill out/buy healthCare insurance. the consequences for healthCare insurers is minimal and is calculated in their business model/strategy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfuRz1w_8ss
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
http://boxturtledr.org/assests/images/boxturt...
Corruption favors the wealthy.
Do you know that the first time you charge anything on your credit card, no matter how small the charge is, you are agreeing to all the terms of use that you probably did not read? Or understand even if you did read them? Corporations. Bah!
No.
Then why the f*ck is he invited to talk about healthcare like he was an expert?
The real reason why healthcare reform is scary is not because it may be bad for the common citizen, all the contrary... it would simply allow people to have a decent safety net, and thus not forcing most people to have to put up with all the bullshit they do, since healthcare is one of the issues corporations hold ransom people over, so that they are good working bees. If they bitch too much, the threat of being kicked out to the curve sans healthcare serves like a good deterrent.
In some sense, I don't think the US really evolved from its plantation origins. We have a few rich assholes at the top f*ckin it up for the rest of us, and living off our sweat and tears. We have the house negroes at the media and other corporate lackeys. And everyone else is out on the field picking up cotton. The sad part is that most people in the field think they are ever so lucky they are picking cotton, the alternative being having to bear the blunt of the massah's wrath. All too busy collecting the cotton to realize they outnumber the massahs 1000-to-1
why are they talking to the asshats that have gotten everything wrong for the last 8+ (more like 35) years. Where is the guy from CIGNA?
Dwindling resources, and all that.
... who is going to take care of their lawns, build their McMansions, and work real jobs to create real wealth to back up the speculative bullshit they use to print their funny money?
...fill the ranks of their military?
I'm just superstitious enough to hedge my bets.
... set the clocks on their DVD players.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
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Couldn't agree more.
Thanks.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
"GIULIANI: They don't, but about half of them could afford it if it was just more affordable."
As my grandfather used to say, "If I had some ham, I'd have some ham and eggs... if I had some eggs."
Yes, if only it were more affordable, people could afford it.
Somebody give this guy the "Successfully Chasing His Tail" award.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdR0LXOiEB8
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
...when mentioning Ghouliani I like to post:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YOh-rpvjYg
I'm just superstitious enough to hedge my bets.
cable TV, too. If they can afford that stuff, what are they complaining about?" I paraphrase, and I am paraphrasing him from Hardball.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGDQ85Dg-ss
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IrE6FMpai8
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
When I hear people claiming that ER only "care" is OK for people without insurance....well, that sure doesn't do anything for the many illnesses, among them the country's top killers, where survival rate and/or cure is tied to when the illness was detected.
It's not in the ER that "early detection" will be applied. It's only when you're getting real dependable
primary care.
BANKRUPTED BY MEDICAL BILLS
But advocacy groups such as the Cancer Action Network point out that more than half of all U.S. bankruptcies were linked to medical debt -- and most of these people had health insurance.
"Too many cancer patients are delaying or forgoing lifesaving screenings and treatments because of access problems," said the group's president, Daniel Smith.
One such patient is Angela Kegler McDowell of Conway, South Carolina, a small business owner whose insurance company raised her premiums from $293 a month to $804 a month when her breast cancer returned. In January, the company stopped her coverage completely.
"It took my entire life savings," McDowell, 38, said in an interview. Even with insurance, McDowell estimates her cancer treatments cost her $42,000 out of pocket over five years.
Another report issued this week by the nonprofit Commonwealth Fund found that 73 percent of people who tried to buy insurance on their own in the last three years did not because the premiums were too high.
According to the report, 64 percent of adults with individual insurance spend $3,000 or more per year on premiums, compared to 20 percent of those with employer insurance.
It said patients using employer-provided insurance spent $2,250 out of pocket on average, including premiums, while those with individual market insurance spent $6,750.
A graphic showing state-by-state breakdowns of the uninsured can be seen at http://graphics.thomsonreuters.com/RNGS/JUL/H...
For some real intelligence about health care problems and possible solutions, PLEASE watch Charlie Rose's conversation last night with the CEO of Mayo Health Clinic...He goes miles beyond what you hear from talking heads and politicians (especially the likes of Giuliani):
http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/10496
I enjoyed watching the interview with Denis Cortese, the CEO of the Mayo Clinic. Let's get this guy to Washington fast!!!
I urge people to watch it as well as "A Conversation with Peter Orszag, Director, Office of Management & Budget"
http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/10495
Note: If you don't want to watch President Obama's public address last night skip to the 11:15 mark to listen to Orszag.
"GIULIANI: I think that private insurance will be overwhelmed. Right now, Medicaid has a big impact on the pricing of private insurance. If you all of a sudden double, in essence, the size of Medicaid, it will overwhelm -- private insurance companies will be gone."
What a crock of shit. First off, the insurance industry is highly profitable because they get together and fix their prices. So a little competition from the government would certainly lower their exorbitant profits and force them to smarten up. (What a shame.) These republican "free market" folks like to always talk about how much more efficient corporations are at performing a function like health care. If that's the case, then what the hell is Giuliani going on about when he says they'll be "gone"? If they could do it better, they'd be sleeping well at night knowing that a competing government program would have a limited lifespan. No, what he really means is that the obscene profits will be gone. Booo-hoooo!
Of course, none of this is to say that whatever government plan the idiots in Washington are crafting will necessarily be any better, particularly if it involves any sort of mandate that everyone carry SOME form of insurance. That'll be the day...
Ghouliani's vacation pictures:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgLN0kyyVzA&fe...
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
"I think the government is NOT being honest with the American public"....doh. He needs to listen to himself twist and turn, trying to cover up with bull shit at ever turn, his moronic logic.
This prick is worthless. His argument is crystal clear as to what he is doing. Scare the public. Toss enough shit in the air and against the wall...and just hope SOMETHING sticks in the American public moron's craw.
Sad...a nation of morons...and these bloodsuckers are a good reason why.
Rudy should know ... he was the government. He rejected Israeli warnings and assistance BEFORE 9/11. And let's not forget he's a hero, too.
How low has CNN sunk by presenting him as someone who has an opinion to voice when in fact, he is paid to say things that benefit his clients?
Giuliani is obviously being hypocritical and stretching logic to its limits. Even so, I think he's doing what he's "supposed" to do; making a lot of noise to try and scare people out of thinking a government plan might be a good idea. Logic be damned. He knows how ridiculous he sounds. He's paid not to care.
I think the US public is largely aware of the puppetry that's going on with asshats like Giuliani, it's just that their complacency is a more powerful force than the anger these shills generate. How much longer can that formula hold as these people grow more brazen?
insurance covers self-inflicted gun shot wounds to you own feet. And I hope they are not covered.
typically covered...
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
"If you all of a sudden double, in essence, the size of Medicaid, it will overwhelm -- private insurance companies will be gone."
We should be so lucky!
('producers' in their jargon) make more than the average primary care physician.
Hey, the private insurures need not take it personally - we are all pulling for them in a competition. If they can provide better coverage, great.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
I fail to see the downside of that.
And I just had a thunk...
Nov 08 was the GOP's Waterloo...and they don't even realize it. HA!
...nor does the MSM, hence the confusion and all the bullsh@t.
It's all so disgusting i sent a memo to the situation room to ask them to smarten up. I realize memos should go to the owners of CNN, so i'm just looking for their names and email...
When John Stewart wins 'most trusted news man in America' in a time magazine poll, it's time to write to your cable news owners.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Because everyone knows he's such an expert on Health Care Reform. Why wouldn't you ask him about it.
"Scare the heck out of you"? Is that a technical term?
I love 9/11's logic: your doctor loves dealing with 5 private insurance companies trying not to pay for anything and rejecting claims and using fine print and tricks to avoid paying... but a single government plan would "scare the heck out of you"... why, exactly, he never says.
Yeah, his talking points were all over the map. He really was just trying to scare us. He even used the word, as if saying it made it so! What a POS. Hey, Rudy, mention Reagan again!
"GIULIANI: I think that private insurance will be overwhelmed. Right now, Medicaid has a big impact on the pricing of private insurance. If you all of a sudden double, in essence, the size of Medicaid, it will overwhelm -- private insurance companies will be gone."
Oh, noes, those poor insurance companies!
I got news for you, 9/11 -- the greedy humps who run those companies will easily find other companies to run, for the same bloated paychecks. I really don't think we need to shed any tears for the billionaires who run these insurance chop shops.
hilarious...
http://www.videosift.com/video/Lewis-Black-De...
Even more hilarious....Hey...isn't the GOP DEAD?
The GOP has slipped into insanity, but the snake heads are still biting. It may be dead and it just doesn't know it yet.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
You know, the MSM just has to start listening to the quiet voices of reason that occasionally appear on their shows. that's all. I bet that would make a huge difference to politics and the welfare of the nation. As it is the MSM is dragging the nation down.
It looks like a monopoly of the MSM can be deadly.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Ins. Co. & CEO With 2008 Total CEO Compensation
■Aetna, Ronald A. Williams: $24,300,112
■Cigna, H. Edward Hanway: $12,236,740
■Coventry, Dale Wolf: $9,047,469
■Health Net, Jay Gellert: $4,425,355
■Humana, Michael McCallister: $4,764,309
■U. Health Group, Stephen J. Hemsley: $3,241,042
■Wellpoint, Angela Braly: $9,844,212
From:
http://www.healthreformwatch.com/2009/05/20/h...
Add in the lower eshalon, but still outrageously well paid management types, and you're talking serious cash. That plus the removing the profit motive and the bargaining position of scale and it's pretty clear that a single payer system could cover all fairly and cheaply.
The fact that it's not discussed is disgusting. Rich people killing poor, sick people for money. Soylent green 2009.
Its about time the present medical establishment gets some competition. That's what they're so terrified of. That people would finally have a real choice, instead of being corralled into their damned God-awful expensive services. I'd love to see my former doctor standing in a food-line or on the streets begging for bread. Its about time someone with large, scaly fingers sticks it up their ass for once.
Are you sure it's the physicians that are fleecing the money now or the insurers?
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Run. Big scary government is trying to help 40,000,000 people get health insurance.
Why is he against the "invisible hand of the free market"? If private health insurance companies can't compete, they can close up shop.
"If the US government enforced its banking laws like it did its park regulations, we wouldn't be
in this damn park in the first place." OCCUPY.!!
As a former republican I know their motto: IF YOU AIN'T CHEATING YOU AIN'T TRYING! It comes from the fact they CAN'T COMPETE! Look at Bush vs Gore! Look at OHIO! Look at THE KENNEDY'S! They really don't like Jesus but they'll "cheat 'em" because they know you like HIM. They are a mess. Silver spooned or just plain crooked.
Giuliani is that same mafia mess mentality...They CHEAT IN COLLEGE, TAXES,GAMBLING,GOLF,THEIR WIVE'S AND HUSBANDS AND THEIR PHONY GOD....
SinDie McCain
He was at a news conference, freaking out and telling everyone he was sure they were going to need "at least 50,000" body bags. I didn't see his so-called leadership. I didn't see him acting calm, cool and collected. He was acting like a scared, little drama-queen, scaring everyone esle with an over-inflated possible death count.
Why doesn't anyone ever mention his 50,000 body bag request when he talks about how well he handled 9/11?
Why are they asking this lisping moron? He ran the worst presidential campaign EVER. "I don't have to go to the people, people will come to me", like a fucking Roman emperor. We saw how well that worked out.
various stem cell treatments for people with spinalcord injury comes to mind.
Rudy didn't even make it to the election.
NOBODY 2012
So the health of the insurance industry is more important than that of 40 mil. of his fellow Americans?
Gotta love the Rethug logic. Well at least he's loyal to his benefactors ,to bad he doesn't show his spouses the same respect.
"They're coming here for treatment. Nobody goes there for treatment."
Actually, Rudy, yes they do. Americans have been crossing the border to Canada to get healthcare for years. They're just not the ones you usually pal around with.
According to this New York Times article, 60 000 Americans crossed over into Ontario in one year alone to get healthcare.
Listening to this Moron spout his FEAR just bolsters my support even more for a public option. Funny how Blitzer didn't press him on the competition line and the PROFIT line. This is about the bottom line period and until the Government gets involved there will never be any acceptable insurance.
Remember there is NO capitalism only SOCIALIZED capitalism, Lets celebrate the death of the Insurance industry lets put in place the Government Option and get rid of the shake down artist.
Rudy's biggest argument is probably the most honest statement of the Republican position I've heard from any of these mealy-mouthed bastards. "The government will put the private health insurance companies out of business."
SO WHAT?! I could care less if every one of them went out of business. If it means that every American has public health coverage like most industrialized countries around the world, let all the insurance companies drop dead.
His second argument about people coming to the US for treatment is pure bullshit too. They come here for rare and unusual specialized care they may not be able to get at home, but certainly not for necessary care provided in their own country.
Give it up, Rudy, you are the worst person to be talking about this subject.
Democratic Party progressive, Vietnam veteran and proud Union member for 41 years
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