McCain: Palin Irrelevant But People Continue to Attack Her
Looks like David Gregory is bound and determined to have John McCain beat Bob Dole's record for Meet the Press appearances before the year is over. During his appearance this week, despite his kind words for Sarah Palin, it sounds like he just threw her under the bus with this remark.
McCain: I'm entertained every time I see people attack her and attack her and attack her -- she's irrelevant but they continue to attack her.
Sarah Barracuda is doing her best to make sure she stays relevant whether the Republican Party likes it or not, John -- and sadly we've got you to thank for that. Look how he has that gritted teeth smile and the dagger look at Gregory for asking the question. I also have a lot of trouble believing that he read, much less enjoyed, Palin's book.
Um, McCain is not saying she's irrelevant.
Doesn't JM say and do enough to be legitimately challenged, critiqued, etc, without having to misquote or mis-contextualize him? As an avid C&L lover of many years, one problem that seems to be growing lately is posts like this which undermine the legitimacy of the whole site.
With all due respect, neccamt, I'm a little sick of people saying that something with which they don't agree undermines the whole site.
You don't agree. Fine. You're entitled to your opinion and it is equally as valid as Heather's.
However, I've been watching McCain for several years and I'm familiar with McCain's between the lines speak. He's HUGELY embarrassed by Sarah Palin and I'd venture a guess that he holds her responsible for his loss. However, he can't ever say that, because it would be admitting weakness.
He's telling America that the woman he chose to be one heartbeat away from the presidency is "irrelevant". He's telling the media that they keep covering someone that doesn't matter. You don't think that's throwing her under the bus? This is the same woman who was his political "soulmate" a year ago.
I don't think there's any kind of miscontextualization here at all. If anything, I think you're being far too literal in your thinking.
But that's just my opinion. YMMV.
This isn't a matter of opinion.
Yeah, McCain almost certainly regrets having taken Palin on as a running mate. But in this clip he was quite obviously NOT calling her irrelevant.
McCain: I'm entertained every time I see people attack her and attack her and attack her -- she's irrelevant but they continue to attack her.
Am I hearing things?
doublespeak. He is thinking he could possibly be her running mate in 2012, running on the "We told you so" platform.
But he wants to get a dig in, too. I think he hates her. If he doesn't, he should.
But to criticize her would be similar to looking in a mirror.
TomPiltoff,
Let's see, other than LITERALLY saying she's irrelvent, you perceive that to mean something else. Why don't you pull a random word out of your ass that YOU think it means. God it's hard having serious discussions with imbeciles. N***er Please!
You've got to be kidding me.
YES, McCain clearly said the words 'she's irrelevant'.
But he wasn't calling her irrelevant.
If you can't figure out how that's possible, I'm not explaining.
Thanks for not explaining. We'd better stick to what they actually utter, and leave the mind reading to the freaks.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
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TomPiltoff,
Nobody's saying you can't have a discussion in your own mind. That way it doesn't have to be based on facts. If you can't understand what's being said, just make something up. We aren't asking for you to explain your train of thought it's clearly derailed. We're not judging your powers of perception. OK we are but it's like arguing [Deleted-Sitemonitor]
I think he did a double little thingie there, sly old fox.
How's this:
attack her and attack her -(they/we/I/everyone claim)- she's irrelevant but they continue to attack her.
It's what the Brits do, very well. They have a way of insulting you right to your very face. I think it's the back-door diss.
far left loon >.<
You're a fu(kin' idiot.
YES, I clearly typed 'You're a fu(kin' idiot'
But I am not calling you a fu(kin' idiot.
If you can't figure out how that is possible, I'm not explaining.
Cool post.
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and I agree in principle with all you are saying. It simply appears from the clip that JM is referencing what the so-called liberal media says about Palin in order to mock the attacks on her.
This is what I mean by 'undermining the site' -- that when the JMs and SPs etc of the world talk and act, they never fail to provide mountains of crit-worthy material, as I praise Heather a couple posts up for capturing JMs warmongering 'break their will' garbage.
My intent was not to defend JM, but rather to point out that whenever we take statements out of context we run the risk of alienating people who are here trying to make up their minds about things.
For me, whose mind is already made up, though open still!, and admittedly/proudly lefter than most, it could be a hoot to laugh at the poor manner in which JM tried to make his point -- that the same media that keeps calling SP irrelevant also keeps attacking her -- but if I were an on-the-fence visitor and this video caught my eye, I would be hard pressed to buy this as coded doublespeak meant to secretly hint at the JMs feeling that SP is irrelevant. More likely, I would view the clip and disagree with Heather's reading of his statement. This could lead to a generalized view of what they are doing over at C&L, and even push me (if I were on that fence) to the right a bit.
Surely he blames her for the election, and why not, she is extreme to the extreme. Surely he regrets picking her in the first place. I WISH she were irrelevant. In fact, I find her dangerous.
and I put a whole lot of video clips up at this site daily along with my help here at Video Cafe and once in a while people are not going to agree as Nicole said. I thought McCain was tweaking her. He's got an awful temper and he can't be happy about that book, or being asked about it. Everyone is free to disagree about whether or not that's what he was doing, but I thought he was getting dig in on her.
I appreciate your good intentions, however I agree with the consensus here that to say McCain is calling Palin irrelevant is a misread. Kind of a blatant one, and one which could (as neccamt noted) give a visitor the impression that this site is, well, sensationalist or manipulative.
...went through during and after the Presidential campaign. I don't know or care what that tired "irrelevant" decrepit loser meant. Let him explain.
... if progressives are going to start using the conservative playbook with respect to the facts, the movement will soon find itself in the same boat as the conservative movement, don't you think?
It's in the conservative playbook to deny what's clearly on the record, whether anyone can infer anything different or not.
And one has to remember mcgramps temper, tendency to mistate, and questionable "sense of humor," ie bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran..."
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you may wish to never visit us again....since your very brief visit caused you so much Concern....#:{
"Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of Stupidity" - Frank Leahy
... I'd crashed a social gathering by googling "william kristol botox" (seriously that's what brought me here - well, to a different video at C&L). If the 'regulars' here don't take kindly to progressive-minded strangers who demand smart and fair editorializing, then best of luck to 'em.
people would get that impression. The rest of us know what "subtle" means. And, I don't think your intentions are good, so I don't appreciate yours.
My intentions are simply to do my part to prevent the cheapening of progressive discourse. Enough posts like this one, and I can envision a conservative version of MediaMatters gaining traction. ... savannah43: How do you reckon "subtlety" figures in all this? (It's an honest question, not baited or anything, I assure you.)
I was a little surprised when I came in here to see such a lengthy exchange-- yikers bikers. Don't let it scare you off.
far left loon >.<
Mr. Tyzik is just pointing out that, the impression you get from reading the headline is that you were about to see a video of John McCain directly calling Sarah Palin irrelevant. What you got instead was a video of him clearly mocking the media for calling her irrelevant, yet being willing to attack her. That would make most people feel like they were mislead.
Just like if the headline read "Dick Cheney in Car Accident"
, then you click on the link and it's an article about some random guy who's name just happens to be Richard Cheney, but its not about the former Vice President, most people would be a little put off by that. I agree, had this been my first time on this site and this been the first headline I clicked on, I would probably not have come back. If you can't see this point after me breaking it down this far, then I really don't know what else to say.
However bad this sick, ignorant, dangerous, sorry ass excuse for a woman is but not for McCain, there wouldn't be a Palin.
"...whenever we take statements out of context we run the risk of alienating people who are here trying to make up their minds about things."
whenever one takes statements out of context one runs the risk of alienating people who are here trying to make up their minds about things.
is that better?
Who is "we?"
Some French guy with incontinence problems.
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By 'we' I meant we humans. We who read thing and hear things and say things, we who may get it right or may get it wrong. We who share information we gather in the world, and sometimes share it out of context -- however altruistically or maliciously --
Surely you didn't think I meant just 'we' on the left? Or 'we' on the interweb? Or what?
I think the so-called edit simply clarifies what I meant.
See how easy it is to misinterpret things? Gotcha.
consider me got.
you get on a time machine and go back to 2000 and try and list to this date the absolute slanderous lies Republicans laid on Progressives, such as "hating the Nation as well as the troops".
If you are still in the process of "making up your mind" after the eight horrific, wretched years Republicans put this Country through, you've either been in a coma or away in prison.
I am not in the process of 'making up my mind' -- as I stated, I am sure I am lefter than most. Lefter than that even!
I agree about the last 8 years, that the Right has screwed the pooch and left us in a real bind they are only too happy to blame on Obama in his less than a year in office, but what if I were on the fence? Would this misread of grandpa's statement help show me the light?
out of context. I still think he was either getting a dig in or it was a really bad Freudian slip. Anyway, it was not my intent to start a huge argument over it. I think his brain mis-fires when he's aggravated and he clearly wasn't happy about the question. Like I said, people are free to disagree and obviously I'm not in the majority here. I've got more posts to work on. Hopefully the next ones don't have this sort of response.
...comments as being "misunderstood or misinterpreted" while you people attempt to verbally slaughter Obama for any statement or phrase that you can possibly twist.
GFY.
look to your left. I am standing there.
a liberal.
oh for pete's sake!
referring to?
you are laughing because you are hilarious!
My cats taught me to do this.
now i understand.
A shiny new posting about Rove.
)O(
Sun, 12/06/2009 - 16:30 — ysbaddaden
Why izzit that every conservative troll that comes along tries to play a game of more liberal than thee?
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Vernon Twinburger.
You a-holes who keep calling troll are mistaken, as my neccamt username is, as i noted, a matter of not having been able to access the site under my usual name, Vernon Twinburger. Am I still a conservative troll, assbaddaden?
Seriously, if I HAD been new around here, this all would have frightened me away!
Wow, seven whole comments since October, you're a real old-timer ain't ya?
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one can't be enough for you assbaddaden.
"He is a troll! Oh, wait, he has been a member since logins were initiated last year (and in fact since long before)... well then, he's too quiet!"
I think I can stand on the content of my few comments, and on the idea that quality is better than quantity, a memo you seem not to have gotten.
Ignoring the author's exact quote, "During his appearance this week, despite his kind words for Sarah Palin, it sounds like he just threw her under the bus with this remark," is not exactly quality, merely ironic.
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Of all the people to join in on the j'accusing, you're the last one I expected, ysb.
So the guy doesn't comment as much as some of us...So what? Hell, congratulations on having a life- as well as your own p.o.v.- neccamt/Vernon.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
I'm not the subject of the thread, mcgramp's quote is, and since it appears I have to explain the irony, he's misquoting a quote to accuse the author of misquoting a quote.
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i lose. as long as you don't have to be wrong, here, assbaddaden. you are right, i was out of line to question the post, or to do anything but cower beneath your giant intellect.
btw thx andy K. very kind.
I question posts all the time, it's all in the manner one questions the post.
I tend to ask questions, or turn it into a joke, whereas you start with an accusatory tone.
See:
Sun, 12/06/2009 - 11:48 — neccamt
Doesn't JM say and do enough to be legitimately challenged, critiqued, etc, without having to misquote or mis-contextualize him? As an avid C&L lover of many years, one problem that seems to be growing lately is posts like this which undermine the legitimacy of the whole site.
And
Sun, 12/06/2009 - 15:12 — ysbaddaden
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Rove lets his lack of a completed formal education show. Please help us belittle KKKarl.
I have some, but the thread wasn't really moving.
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man, i hope this 'ignore' button works...
but i guess i'm a troll too, since i don't post all the time. please stop with the "purity tests". we don't need them on this side of the spectrum please.
finally I AM
Sun, 12/06/2009 - 16:48 — Vernon Twinburger
Vernon Twinburger.
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That's what got me started, as in was that supposed to impress us?
Earlier it was stated:
really, Left + Left
Sun, 12/06/2009 - 16:27 — neccamt
look to your left. I am standing there.
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That's stupid game playing of more liberal than thee I referred to earlier. Talk about "purity tests" which sounds more like a urine test.
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Me thinks he tries too hard to convince us he is
Sun, 12/06/2009 - 16:31 — savannah43
a liberal.
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I agree.
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I listened to McCain call Palin irrelevant then I heard him ....say, paraphrasing....'..she will offer a lot to the future of the Republican Party. Double speak unless you happen to speak the language.
Some stuff you can't make up!
if by troll you mean I never comment here but always read, not to accurate. I have previously commented under then name Vernon Twinburger, but having faced a seemingly insurmountable challenge in trying to login with that username, I started a new one as neccamt. So yeah, I accept your apology, which I am sure is forthcoming, which is to say GFY.
you've been avidly loving all of us at C&L for about 2 to 4 hours.... so, I'm guessing that makes you a legitimate critic...?
Anyone who watches the vid and hears what McCain says understands the point made here.
"Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of Stupidity" - Frank Leahy
i have loved C&L for years. That was not a lie, though your little research may seem to suggest it is. Look for Vernon Twinburger... that is me too... but thanks for the friendship!
Josh Marshall's TPM had this up and has taken it down, this is such a non-issue. Josh will usually keep the post up and draw a correction.
This one is so back he withdrew the post altogether.
The thing about Republicans is that that don't get either irony or nuance. This post throws those accusations right back in the face of the C&L.
Irrelevant to what?
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_nB6ZnyiJT8M/Sk57c_4...
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asshat
mccain did say she was irrelevant.
Some stuff you can't make up!
He was quite clearly quoting those who attack Palin when he said "she's irrelevant". The only thing missing were air quotes, but it's obvious to me he was not speaking for himself.
Now, that being said, his body language belies the uncomfortableness which he feels at having to be nice to her / about her himself.
Yes, he's a true politician, that McCain.
I'm sure he hates the little so-and-so but she has traction with the great unwashed, and the GOP needs anything it can get. Besides, it's always better to be seen as generous and large. (I'd like to hear what he calls her at home after a few martinis.)
far left loon >.<
My sister, like John Amato, is a Buffy fan, but not a Twilight fan. She used the term "Mary Sue" while describing Twilight. I had to look that up, but find it applies to Palin!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Sue
I prefer Mary Jane.
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I listened to the tape and mcgramps did call sara palin irrelevant
But I think it was a missfired attempt at humor by paraphrasing her detractors
But at the same time without any real caveats on his part he did put it into the aether
With plausible deniability for later.
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This is my opinion of the clip as well.
...that he's irrelevant too?
Palin is a distraction that only appears relevant because of all the attention people pay to her by attacking her. Palin says and does stupid things because her actions continue to generate money for her.
that's palin's position/strategy to maintain the interest/distraction of the extreme right. Palin is the rock star for the right and a bore for us. Palin will continue to stir the pot and tell people what they want to hear so continue the divide and conquer strategy. it's pretty pathetic.....actually.
McCain is just as irrelevant as Palin.
it's simple. McCain and Palin are hostile. They keep opening their trollish mouths and that keeps them both in the media circus.
McCain is just so stupid it's unusual, like most criminals and all Republicans.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
McCain is paraphrasing detractors (read sane people). It's easy to see how his statement could be misread, especially in transcript form. He raises his finger as if to say "on one hand they say she's irrelevant, but they continue to attack her" blah blah blah...
Personally I think she IS irrelevant AND should continue to be attacked, it's not like they're opposing viewpoints. However McCain saying he is proud of her while clearly being uncomfortable talking about her IS hypocritical.
McCain is a
hypocriteRepublican."Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
It just makes no sense in the manner he's speaking, and the body language. I've seen Josh Marshall call this up as well and this is the first I've seen the footage. He's either completely lost his mind and cannot use the English language, or he is doing as Sphy says, paraphrasing. You have to believe he's doing the latter.
I don't know if she is indeed irrelevant myself. She's got a whole lot of lobotomized followers behind her who, it is clear, cannot understand the English language when she speaks out of her ass the way she does.
The problem here is "The American People" are not to be fully trusted when they believe the lies and fables of Sarah Palin, Cheney, Congressional Republicans, Conservative pundits, talkingheads and big, fat, lying radio "entertainers, etc. When Americans vote against their own and their country's best interests as they have done time and time again, people like Sarah Palin should be taken seriously. The manner in which to combat them and the media's promotion of them has yet to be discovered.
McCain wishes the scrutiny would stop.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Thank you, for making me watch that asshat. (not)
He's not calling her irrelevant....he's "quoting" what the supposed media is saying. Note the smirk and whiny voice at that point.
She is both relevant by cheerleading the extreme nutbags of the right, and irrelevant, as she is just utterly useless as any kind of political leader. So if by attacked, he means people uncovering the truths about this useless woman, then yes, she deserves it.
no doubt but she will entertain the extreme right. palin will do the dirty work to keep the underlining hate fresh/ongoing. she won't run for any office. although she could get appointed. personally, i've never ever learned anything from palin.....no depth...no substance...perfect for the black and white thinkers.
As if gramps opinion matters? He made the monster - I'm sure there is a love/hate thing in some ways.
I hope he talks about Palin all the time. It reminds people of his judgment and wisdom.
:)
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
and the more time we waste focused on President McCain and Ms. Half term governor the less time we have staying on the important issues of the day.
Just because the Villagers can't let go doesn't mean we can't.
Let them go... please
...he uses big words like 'particularly' and 'delicatessen.' -- Jack
I checked in on the comments to see if I was the only one who got that McCain wasn't actually calling Palin irrelevant. It's disappointing (sometimes a little demoralizing) to see our sites & blogs taking things out of context just for an "ooooh!" headline. So, I'm pretty happy about the fact that, for the most part, we readers don't pretend we didn't notice.
I'm reminded of the John Kerry botched joke about getting stuck in Iraq and how media outlets went gaga attacking him. I can't say I'd be sorry to see McCain get the same treatment over this gaffe!
What gaffe?
Yeah, I remember that one, the villagers went nuts forgetting again that Kerry did serve, while boosh essentially deserted.
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I definitely remember that, and a hojillion more instances of the same kind of thing (my teabaging/birther mom responds to everything with, "Obama thinks there are 57 states, you know."). And then our guys apologize for saying something they didn't say... Yeah, I don't think I'd mind seeing any of them get "the treatment" -- sucks that we'd have to be the ones to do it. Makes me feel all slimy.
language. Imagine the things that could have resulted from his "jumblese" if he had won the presidency. Especially with the queen of "jumblese" as VP. I think that stupid people think she's a genius because they cannot understand what she is saying.
...little girl. And I'm still thoroughly nauseated.
President McCain thinks Sarah is irrelevant. What a mean daddy!
On top of that, mcgramps is still in the senate, whilst sarah quit the governorship apparently right before being forced out and/or arrested.
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Does anybody here, really believe that any politicians, Obama included, say what they mean and mean what they say?
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Al Franken? Bernie Sanders? Heck, even Ron Paul?
Al Franken is too new to have a track record, Bernie Sanders is just rising to a lot of attention, and ron paul (or his supporters) pretend to be Independents, when actually they are ray gunn republicans.
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I certainly don't.
I believe everything they say is take-it-to-the-bank truth, just as my comments are. :)
far left loon >.<
who believes anything he says?
"...it sounds like he just threw her under the bus with this remark...."
Sounds to me when you use phrases like "sound like" you're not saying such is the case, but that the statement is loaded.
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Why izzit that every conservative troll that comes along tries to play a game of more liberal than thee?
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Well, McCain has a point, as long as blogs like the Huffington Post and C&L keep talking about Palin, she won't go away. Personally, I've ignored every article I've seen about her since the elections. Why this complete irrelevancy of a human being keeps occupying the blogs is a mystery to me. Can we have even a week without Palin, for Christ's sake, please!
I was fed up with John McCain long before he launched the Palin petard on this country.
I think he was hurt worse than he would admit by phil gramm being an advisor, and publicly calling America a nation of whiners.
And wasn't there something about his having lost count of how many homes he has, right when many Americans were being foreclosed on?
And polls showed the religious right, which republicans had been depending on since ray gunn, weren't fully committed.
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Talk about hurting you. McCain, Gramm, AND Rove? Way too much pain.
One of these days Mc Lamo is either going to stroke out or go on a public rampage:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/05/john...
This buffoon needs help, now.
"We will find fulfillment not in the goods that we have, but in the good we can do for each other."
Robert F. Kennedy
signing. Please let it be that.
I'll second that idea!
"We will find fulfillment not in the goods that we have, but in the good we can do for each other."
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. . ."she's irrelevant." I listened to the clip twice just to be sure. What he actually meant is beyond me, but I definitely heard the words in this order, and since she was the topic of conversation, I can only assume that he meant Palin.
Why hasn't McCain told the military where bin laden is hidding?
He said that he knew where bin Laden was hidding and how to capture him.
Why is he still keeping it a secret?
I remember that! Dang...
Here's the C&L post about it.
What is he doing now? Just sitting there with his arms crossed, saying, "Oh, no. You had your chance..."
McCain: I'm entertained every time I see people attack her and attack her and attack her -- she's irrelevant but they continue to attack her.
TomPiltoff- Um, McCain is not saying she's irrelevant.
It's just like when the Daily show plays clips of Cheney denying saying something, then playing the actual clip where he says what he's denying. They've done it dozens of times.
Tom's funny but not in a ha ha kind of way. He's different.
I'm really at a loss on how to further clarify the obvious.
Like ilsita says below, nobody is arguing that McCain didn't say the words 'she's irrelevant'.
It's the context that is key.
Let me give you an example.
"My friend Jeff said 'I want a taco'."
Get it? I said the words 'I want a taco'. The part that's tripping you up is understanding that even though the words came out of my mouth, I'm not saying *I* want a taco.
I can't dumb it down for you any more.
What I think he meant was, "They (meaning those who attack her) keep saying she's irrelevant..." He used "shortmouth," the verbal equivalent of shorthand. It is also the mental equivalent of not enunciating. It's being too lazy or ignorant to put enough energy into actually completing a thought. Or perhaps he just hung around with Palin too long and her inability to form complete sentences infected him.
I think he knows exactly what he's doing. He throws stuff against the wall to see what sticks. If it sticks great. If not he can deny he said it: very careful phrasing, not stupid or lazy. It's who he is and how he operates. He's a ham, he's an actor, he's a doublespeaker. That's how he has remained in the Senate so long.
He threw it out there and we're left to decide, yet he called her irrelevanr, and can deny it; both. He knows what he's doing.
--I do it myself sometimes. :)
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People seem not to be getting that the actual fact of the words "she's irrelevant" spewing forth from McCain's mouth is not at issue, but whether or not he was expressing his own personal opinion or paraphrasing her critics. It's:
A. "She's irrelevant, so I don't know why they waste their time attacking her."
vs.
B. "These dummies continue to attack her, even while they insist that she's irrelevant..." (In other words: How irrelevant could she be, if they can't shut up about her?)
Attack her, and attack her, and attack her. Poor little Sarah. It's not like she's doing any attacking herself. Oh no. I think that when McCain said "irrelevant," he was reaching for a word. He did not really mean "irrelevant." McCain is not all that smart. That's why he lost.
I will say one thing about Palin, and it scares me. My worst nightmare is that Sarah Palin will be elected President of the United States in 2012, but I have to admit, she is the nastiest, meanest, BITCH that ever lived (forgive me, I just don't know how else to say it). If being nasty and mean will make you President, then she's gonna win, hands down. The woman is like a stone wall. I have to admit it. She really is. But she would be like Bush: a puppet for those who want to turn America into their own personal cash cow, while the world goes down the tubes.
That's why they are pushing her so hard. They want her to be their puppet. And she would be, too. If she were elected President, she wouldn't know her butt from a hole in the ground. These people, they are just salivating thinking about it. For them, happy times would be there again.
Don't be afraid of her. 2012 is light years away in politics. Everyone can see she's a media whore, except a rabid 20%.
far left loon >.<
They bite too?
How kinky...
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