Lou Dobbs Distorts Alan Grayson's Apology
Lou Dobbs apparently thinks his viewers don't even watch any other shows on his own network.
DOBBS: More evidence that Americans are increasingly skeptical of government-run health care -- according to a new Gallup poll, 89 percent of Republicans say health insurance should be the individual's responsibility. Sixty-four percent of independents agree that obtaining health care insurance coverage should be up to the individual. Overall, 61 percent of all Americans believe that health care insurance is the responsibility of the individual, not the government. However, Democrats disagree, 63 percent of whom say it's the government's responsibility to provide health care insurance.
Democrats were calling for Congressman Joe Wilson's head not so long ago when he yelled, "you lie", at President Obama during a joint session of Congress. The outburst was considered to be an example of how the antigovernment health care forces had crossed the line. But the left has been largely silent about Congressman Alan Grayson, the Democrat from Florida took the House floor last night and claimed the Republican health care plan is for people to die quickly. Listen to this.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
GRAYSON: If you get sick, America, the Republican health care plan is this. Die quickly. That's right. The Republicans want you to die quickly if you get sick.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
DOBBS: Congressman Grayson did issue an apology for his comments today after several Republicans asked him to.
Still auditioning for Fox Lou? That's not exactly a fair description of Grayson's "apology".
Just like the rest of Fox.
replace Dobbs with Rick Sanchez....He will have a more secure position and support at Faux,,,
Shameless and his dye job is getting worse!
Well, that kind of ugliness comes out through the skin eventually.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Dobbs is a tool, but I did not realize he was still alive. I'm sure his wife would be interested to know that as well...
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
He's been a zombie for about two years now.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
I was very disappointed with Grayson -- not by his point but by how he did it.
With his shrill statement he lowered the level of discourse on a very important issue - healthcare.
All Grayson did was pull us down into the gutter with our opponents. Outage can be accomplished far more effectively, with far more dignity. Here's how:
This is what Rep. Grayson actually said:
Grayson revised:
The revised answer accomplishes two things his actual statement did not: 1) It is far more ciivil; and 2) puts the GOP on the horns of a dilemma -- they have to explain away why their non-action will not cause the uninsured to possibly die from injury or illness.
It's been working so well for us.
The Republicans take civility as a sign of weakness. Obama's repeated attempts at bipartisanship have been met with obstructionism and derision.
The GOP has stated as a matter of fact that they want to "break" Obama rather than work to better the condition of working people.
Grayson did the right thing by apologizing to the people killed by the insurance corporations and their families.
would nave been ignored. Grayson's comments were not.
And that's why a lot of Americans don't even give the liberal message a listen. In short, it's why we lose.
Being nice is what causes the republicans to ignore the Democrats. Where have you been for the last 30 years? One thing that Grayson accomplished. The constiuents are now listening.
The Country clearly told you and your bullshit party to eat shit.
I am a Democrat all my adult life and remember what happened to my party in 1966 and 1968 -- after the landslide of 1964.
are getting so much attention for their hysterical claims is that they're being so polite and respectful in their delivery?
You realize that your opinion is insane, yes?
Listen carefully to what I am saying:
A) One can be fiercely liberal without resorting to dumb theatrics. It worked for Harry Truman, RFK and other past liberals -- you know a time when liberals regularly won elections;
B) One reason the other side seem to be getting the attention is because the media like the spectacle of mud being thrown. This fits the fringe right quite well because it gets their folks all riled but does nothing for our side. Instead, it turns off a lot of undecided, independent Americans who are repelled by gutter tactics. It is among those folks where the battle will be won or lost. But when we act like Joe Wilson it doesn't appeal to them but turns them off to politics, seeing both sides as unruly children; and
C) I don't want to see the public discourse keep getting lower and lower into the gutter. It is not too much to ask our leaders to argue extremely important national issues like adults instead of like a bunch of juvenile Howard Stern listeners.
ho hum
Sorry, that ranks up there with a "strongly worded letter."
What he said was perfect. It's about time Dems showed they weren't going to be kicked around by the repigs.
I just wish all of them would speak to repigs this way.
All he did was make liberal-wanna-bes feel morally superior about themselves and gave them an excuse to thump their chests. It was nothing more than a dopey feel-good moment.
Do you really think he changed a single mind either on the other side or -- more importantly -- among undecided folks in the middle? I bet he hardly moved the ball at all. And while we're at it, how does it feel to now be on the same discourse level as the folks screaming "socialist" at those town hall meetings?
You make a valid point,but let's not discount the months of aggravation Liberals have had to endure watching people like Harry Reid pretend to lead.It's been a truly embarrassing display.I submit that Grayson's actions are just the shot in the arm the Dem base needs right now to feel like all is not completely lost after weeks of yellow bellied capitulation to an intransigent and dishonest Republican opposition.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
If there's anything that disgusted me about the Grayson business, it's the way the media has gone after him for his comments. Where was this hostility when Palin & Co. were disseminating their "death panels" canard? That ran for weeks with barely a murmur of protest before some outlets began to mention that, actually, it wasn't true. And now Grayson gets pilloried for coming up with a similar slogan? It's even more reprehensible when one considers that the Repub statement was an outright lie, whereas Grayson's statement is at least logically defensible.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlqJc8qYU_o
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
when it has been proven time and time again that the Republican Party would rather wallow in lies and obstruction?
Expecting a different result from repetitions of the same ineffective strategy is not smart.
Grayson's comments did not make me "feel superior." But thanks for the instant psychoanalysis just the same.
Grayson's remarks made me feel as though somebody recognized the situation for what it really is and is fighting for MY best interests.
I am SICK of mealy-mouth Democrats cowering in the face of these often-vicious Republicans.
Stick with that political correct notion and see how far you get with your opponents.
You can't always agree to disagree... when your looking at the facts and you rely on your heart instead of your head, you'll often discount those facts.
To each their own, you seem complacent to me.
Amended: "morally superior" is a nice clue.
Study the symptoms not the virus...
To the GOP? And what the hell is a "liberal-wanna-be?"
Couldn't "complete the deal" AND refunds the money.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
Like that would happen.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
This person is apologizing for the behavior of liberals to the GOP. Do not ever speak for me, sir or madam or whatever.
F.l. Cocozzelli i guess!
Bite my shiny metal ass.
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Grayson said EXACTLY what needed to be said. The only thing is that he (or someone else) should have said it and in the same manner much sooner.
L
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
I agree.
Bite my shiny metal ass.
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that shit is infuriating.
me-oww!
thanks for the concern though. This whole 'makes liberals feel superior' seems to be a recurring theme of yours.
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me-oww!
I'd though he/she was a 'hit and run' artist whose 15 minutes of
famefree time on the library computer were just about up..."Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
then decided not to.
I grew up in a political family, Democratic, at a time when the Democrats were on top, not only by the numbers, but in thought, word and deed. And 'playing nice and polite' was not part of their gig. If it was stupid, it was ridiculed. And not at all privately or kindly.
This 'can't we all get along' bullshit has got to stop. The answer is a resounding NO!
I am reminded of a Star Trek epi (Mirror, Mirror) wherein Kirk was flipped into a more brutal alternate universe. When back in his own universe, Kirk notes it was easier for him to pretend to be a savage, than it was for a savage to pretend to be civilised. We can be 'liberal' 'left' or 'progressive,' while being rude to those who will have it all over us otherwise. The whole polite thing has just gotten us ridiculed and kicked in the teeth.
me-oww!
Not this star trek shit! lol!
;)
Bite my shiny metal ass.
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:P
me-oww!
Oh, the pain..............
What is your conceptual, continuity?
I remember the "evil Kirk" with the gash on his forehead, smiling that evil smile. Great lighting. How I miss Technicolor...
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
but does anyone has seen the "red dwarf" series? A really funny outer space adventure into ridiculous and beyond made by the BBC.
Bite my shiny metal ass.
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forced by Craig Charles' imprisonment over a rape allegation. The first four or five seasons-great. after that, shitty
me-oww!
(actually, not sure I ever have on this site), nor tell someone to "f*ck off," etc. But the mealy-mouthed, beating around the bush crap MUST STOP. At the rate we're going, I can already hear the 'Thugs planning on calling Obama "The Black Carter" (not that Carter hasn't aged well in his post-Presidency, of course, but I hope you know what I mean). He and we, who worked hard to get him elected, DESERVE more than to be dictated to by 25%'ers, beckrushkkklanityslaggage, cnnfuxnewsmack, teabaggers, etc.
We should EXPECT the words and actions of Alan Grayson to come from the rest of our Dems as well!
BTW, if the poster was a woman, is "Princess" still derogative? I'm still trying to figure out women :)...
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
"Goodnight sweet prince" is!
Bite my shiny metal ass.
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"knight in shining armor" types...
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
It's what I call the a-hole who manages my apartment building.
me-oww!
I totally agree, fastfeat. Sometimes, enough is enough!
PS, yep, "Princess" can be derogative ...
PPS, good luck trying to figure out women ;)
They are from Venus i've heard.
Where is that Venus and how do i get there?
Bite my shiny metal ass.
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Just give up.
There isn't a man alive or who has lived in the past that has figured them out yet.
It's kinda like an all women's club. And we ain't invited.
Which is cool.
I'm ok with that.
Gives me more time to go surfin and party.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
I don't want to be a club member, just sneak in the door once in awhile...
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
No sirree. Nope. not even goin there bud.:)
Look what happened to Jim Morrison.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
(Not that there's anything wrong with that...)
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
get lucky.
Takes the whole "luck" element out of the equation...
(/snark, usually...)
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GNA...
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
Get dressed up, take her out to a fine restaurant, a fine meal, an exceptional bottle of Pinot Noir. Some stimulating conversation(try to avoid politics) ( as if) Tell her how nice she looks.
Then say good night, and tell her how much you enjoyed the evening.
:)
Then ask her if she wants to go for an after dinner drink somewhere nice.Not necessarily your place. Hey, you gotta have an out up to the last minute.
Cause ya never know. :)
What is your conceptual, continuity?
Maybe this will assist you in your quest for Venus:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x24e8_banana...
;)
No, just no! :s
Bite my shiny metal ass.
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"understand" 'em? Can't be done!!
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
good luck with trying to understand man/women. I'm going to sleep and dream of a hot lady ;)
Gn C&L.
Bite my shiny metal ass.
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sweet dreams/astral projections to you, Alerta_Alerta!
;)
Republicans can only understand short, emotionally-driven statements since they are so emotionally immature. So your long, nuanced statement would have been completely ignored.
Grayson basically used the same schoolyard tactics that the Republicans use all the time, so of course he got their attention.
Finally someone on the Democratic side figured out how to fight the Republicans!
this form of combat, but I expect you have heard the phrase, "Fight fire with fire." Grayson's statement got more attention than almost anything else the Dems have said since forever. It worked. If you don't want to be in this street fight, then stay home. This is a voluntary force.
version: "I now pose this question..." Finally, someone in DC figured out how to respond to those who know no boundaries, and had enough stuff to use it.
these fucking SCUMBAGS are using the Lee Atwater/Frank Luntz playbook which asserts that emotional loading and framing trumps facts and logic. If you think we should follow Marquis Of Queensbury gentlemans boxing rules while the OtherSide regards this as a gang-brawl with crowbars, baseball bats and zip-guns you're NUTS. I am NOT FUCKING INTERESTED IN BEING NICE! These people are NAZIS (Godwin Bedamnned!) with a Goebbels Big Lie propaganda machine, and they tortured, murdered, invaded, wire-tapped, stole billions, (endless repeating sequence) and the very foundation of our country is at stake. Go be nice at a school board meeting or something.
"This ain't no party...this ain't no disco...this ain't no foolin' around!"
"Ronald Reagan is DEAD! His policies live on but we're doing something about THAT!"
To F.I. Cocozelli:
Mr. Grayson used six words.
You used seventy words.
By the time you get to your point, you've lost your audience. Republicans and the average Joe Six-Pack have minuscule attention spans and need short, simple sentences with little in the way of metaphor. It's only liberals like us, people who still value reason and intellect over gut, who can appreciate and be persuaded by your version of Grayson's argument.
What Grayson said may have been indelicate... but it was basically true. The party of 'no' has been called out again. Dobbs is a joke. I'll steer clear of CNN until Dobbs is dumped... and likely off to Fox where he will fit right in.
Dobbs keeps me away from CNN too.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
We can only conclude that Lou Birther Dobbs is a liar. Sad but true.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
How in the world can he say that was an apology? Grayson actually rubbed their nose in it even more. Dobbs should pay attention to events before shooting off his mouth with more dumb statements. We need more congressmen like Congressman Grayson.
Dobbs thinks he's witty, poor bastard.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Dobbs is simply attempting to cloud the issue, like he always does.
lying. What a journalist. Sometimes I think CNN is just auditions for Fox.
Yep--fail @ CNN, big, shiny new contract @ Fux. Witness beck.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
...and he counts on his fact-challenged audience to be unaware of anything beyond what he tells them, certainly not likely to go messin' around with the ol' google-box and getting the true story. He assumes the audience is composed of a bunch of idiots to be told whatever he regards as useful. (Probably why he should go work for Ailes)
"Ronald Reagan is DEAD! His policies live on but we're doing something about THAT!"
Here is a perfect example of Republicans living under a constant state of hypocrisy.
http://progressnotcongress.org/?p=3047
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I thought it was the "State of Insanity" located somewhere on planet hypocrisy.
I need to check my atlas. *shrugs*
lol
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
In your face Repukes. Go Grayson go.
The Dems are caving again and many continue to want to play nice with the Pukes. The Dems - bringing a sponge to a gunfight.
Goes together like "hand in glove."
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
It is only fair to have the GOP screaming "DEATH PANELS" and "the democrats are trying to kill grandma" but if a Democrat exposes the truth about the GOOP's plan - he has to apologize?
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
“The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over”
Joseph Goebbels
Did Rove add the lack of truthfulness, or did Goebbels do that as well?
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
...someone knows who Lois is...
How about the Miles V. story "The Mountains of Mourning"
Illustrates to me the weight and emotional cost of the responsibilties of leadership....
"Ronald Reagan is DEAD! His policies live on but we're doing something about THAT!"
a word he's said.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
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Another compassionate conservative speaks out: Rep. Broun told a constituent who has major depression to go the emergency room. Like you can fix depression with a bandage you mofo. Go Grayson go; don't let the reichwhiners stop you.
Pumpkinhead is trying to compare this to a Rushthuglklan congressman yelling "You lie!" to the POTUS in the middle of a presidential addess? Reaching a little there aren't ya Pumpkinhead?
have been doing since yesterday.
The circle(jerk) shall remain unbroken.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
Is a distortion.
republicanism is a mental illness!
What Grayson did in no way even came close to what Joe Wilson did. You cannot make such a comparison! After all the GOP propaganda talk of "death panels" and "they'll kill your grandmother," (among other things), they have the audacity to ask Grayson to apologize? Nope. At least Grayson is supporting healthcare for citizens, unlike Wilson and his ilk, who only want to make a profit for the insurance companies, which in turn will contribute to their campaigns.
Does God tell Dobbs to lie like that?
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
What a sad pathetic man. Dobbs doesn't realize how irrelevant he is has become over the last 4-5 years in terms journalistic clout.
Grayson said it right. And, he said it to perpetual LIARS. All that Grayson needs now is to repeat it, over and over and over and over because it is real. He needs our support. Bumper stickers, tee-shirts, posters, banners. Over and over and over and over again and again. "I'm sorry the republicans left you dead"....it works.
Get to the point! Quit being so "touchy feeley" about it. Don't rebuild his clock....just tell the time....and the time is right-on!
I hope that Grayson's use of the awful truth spreads and multiplies.
If only the rest of the Democratic party would just. start. telling. the. truth!
...according to a new Gallup poll, 89 percent of Republicans say health insurance should be the individual's responsibility. Sixty-four percent of independents agree that obtaining health care insurance coverage should be up to the individual...
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Funny, I'd have thought that "Mr. Independent" would have lead with the numbers from his "party"...
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
Please just let him and his ilk keep on keeping on!
:)
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
Who cares what 100% of them say?
is still getting paid to massage Diebold software to achieve the desired results. Any day, I expect "breaking news" on any/all of the networks.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
on the House floor, of course. never mind Rep Grayson apologized to the dead, its still one more apology than Wilson didn't do on the House floor. and Grayson was right with what he said, and how he said it. with the right amount of feeling. and as he defended it on the Situation Room on CNN last nite. the GOP are only hoping to gain the House back by being anti-Obama 24/7. thats it. they want to achieve that with doing no work at all. just cynicism and negativity.
OH Lou, he didn't apologise because republicans demanded he do so. I saw the entire video, and he apologised to the American people for not doing something sooner.
So Lou.. YOU LIE!
Can kiss my arse. He belongs on Foked Nooz. Simple as that.
Grayson was right. He gave them a taste of their own medicine. And they gagged on it.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
from grayson (to a republican representative promoting their "plan")
"that's amorphous nonsense"
poetry
and a good vocabulary can grab a mic and say what needs to be said sans script? It's what really burns the "professionals."
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
Is this Racist so Stupid that he really believes that we in the real world are like his delusional Racist, Fascist, Socialist followers. You know those Anti American scum that constantly distort the truth.
Here's one folks lets go after this Racist Nazi Christian SPONSORS, this piece of whale dirt is lower than a child Molester, Murder, Spouse abuser, murderer he is SCUM.
It worked for Blecch,,,it'll work here.
Do you want your product to be forever associated with liars and divisive propagranda?
Then you might want to drop this fatass bozo.
Grayson should apologize. What he said was out of line. Comparing Republicans to Neanderthals is very offensive. To Neanderthals.
Grayson is so right! "Don't get sick....If you do...die". That's old people thinking that is just disgusting. Keep saying it. I'm sorry the republicants are Neanderthalls. But it's their fault. They don't have plans, just schemes. Grayson is right, Right, RIGHT!
Support Grayson for his HONEST OBSERVATIONS.......These old cronies HAVE NO PLAN. NEVER DID HAVE A PLAN. THEY NEVER WILL HAVE A PLAN....Just schemes....no dreams.
I saw a clip from CSPAN just last week of Grayson just lambasting some imbecile from the Federal Reserve...don't have a cite...
I think this guy's gonna be giving a lot of asshats serious indigestion...
"Ronald Reagan is DEAD! His policies live on but we're doing something about THAT!"
"Overall, 61 percent of all Americans believe that health care insurance is the responsibility of the individual, not the government. However, Democrats disagree, 63 percent of whom say it's the government's responsibility to provide health care insurance."
Given the percentage of Americans who identify themselves as Democrats in recent polls isn't that mathematically impossible?
The 'Saved By The Bell' cast has more credibility than you do....somehow I just have the feeling they do.....:)
I'm thinking he's looking at vetta cystern's slot. They'll have all the crazies over at fox propaganda before long.
What a total lying sack of shit. This guy has sunk to a new low, even for his pathetic self.
Hey Dobbs , why don't you just get it over with and go see Murdoch about a new job with Fox , it's where you belong .
Insanity , it is what it is , there is no understanding it .
There, now I can shout at you.
Please 'O Please sell this guy to Faux. Wait better yet pay them to take him. Just anything please! And the same goes for the pundit shows.
for the sake of clean vision and intellectual honesty, please stop pretending that there is a real difference between FOX and CNN. Anecdotally, maybe.
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