Lindsey Graham: Don't Allow Debt Ceiling to Be Raised Without Cuts and Means Testing for Social Security
Looks like Lindsey Graham is continuing to pander to the extreme right wing of his base, which isn't too happy with him right now, with this rhetoric. Graham wants to hold raising the debt ceiling hostage even though he admits here that it would not be a good thing to have the United States default on our Treasury obligations. But he wants to use this "opportunity" to raise the retirement age and means test Social Security and Medicare Part D, or in other words, turn them into welfare systems.
And as I've said before, we all know what Republicans think of welfare. This is nothing more than using the debt ceiling as an excuse to destroy Social Security and our social safety nets in America. Although Graham later admitted that Republicans really didn't want to shut down the government, he apparently is more than willing to play political games with our entire economy in order to get their last chunk of flesh from the working class.
GREGORY: Let me break a few of those things down because it's important, the level of detail. Let me start with this. You talk about the budget. You talk about spending. How will you vote on the debt ceiling? Will you vote to raise it which is a vote that will come up in relatively short order?
GRAHAM: Well to not raise the debt ceiling could be a default of the United States on bond and treasury obligations. That would be very bad for the position of the United States in the world at large but this is an opportunity to make sure that government is changing its spending ways.
I will not vote for the debt ceiling increase until I see a plan in place that will deal with our long term debt obligations starting with Social Security, a real bipartisan effort to make sure that Social Security stays solvent, adjusting the age, looking at means tests for benefits. On the spending side I'm not going to vote for a debt ceiling increase unless we go back to 2008 spending levels, cutting discretionary spending...
GREGORY: Let me stop you right there Senator. That's a big condition just on Social Security alone. Do you think Republicans are prepared to follow you in two things you said; raise the retirement age and means test benefits for older Americans?
GRAHAM: I would suggest that if we're serious about taking America in a new direction and you're not putting entitlement reform on the table, you've missed a great opportunity to change the course of America's future. And the last election was about change, change that really will make us something other than Greece. I think Pat Toomey, Rand Paul and the other candidates that are new to the Congress that said during the campaign, everything's on the table when it comes to making America fiscally sound. Let's see if we can find bipartisan reforms in Social Security before we raise the debt limit.
GREGORY: Do you think Sen. McConnell, the leader of the Republicans is going to go along with that?
GRAHAM: I hope so. I know that Speaker Boehner is going to produce spending limitation bills every day, but the question for the Republican Party, for the tea party and the Democratic Party, beyond discretionary spending are we willing to look at the debt commission suggestions on entitlement reform and begin to enact those reforms before it's too late. I hope that this new Congress will do something the other Congresses have never done and that is seriously look at entitlement reform by adjusting the age and means testing benefits, including Medicare Part D.
Obama health care needs to be repealed and replaced but the Republican Party created Medicare Part D, a prescription drug entitlement that's already gotten out of control. I hope we'll put that on the table for reform.
GREGORY: Would you vote to actually scrap that, to take it away?
GRAHAM: I would vote to means test it. I would vote to make sure that people with my income level and your income level don't get their benefit... their prescription drug bill paid by the federal government because we can't afford it. I would vote to make sure that someone in my income level would have their Social Security benefits renegotiated if they're under 55, not in a Draconian way but changes we can make now for people 55 and under to avoid a fiscal collapse that's surely coming if we do nothing.
The president said in his speech he wants to work with us. This is a good opportunity to find common ground; entitlement reforms starting with Social Security.
Of course, Graham and the rest of the pearl-clutching Republican Party had no problem doubling the national debt under President Bush and raising the debt ceiling seven times, as Jon Perr points out.



THESE are the people that Obama wants to work with? The Democrats control all branches of government for two years, don't get tons done because of bending over backwards for the other money party and obstruction. The Democrats don't talk about reforming the filibuster until they're ready to hand over power to the other money party, which is just brilliant. The right gets control of the Senate and now are coming out as the bullies they are. It would be nice if people could get together, work out differences, all that nice stuff. Maybe in the future that will happen, but now it is about power and working people don't have any.
There is no chance, none, that the Republicans will do this. They wouldn't survive they next election, there would be a huge backlash (across the globe, given the state of the international economy), the economy would crumble and they know it. They're sociopaths but they aren't stupid, well not the puppet masters that control them at least. I don't expect the Democrats though to go on the offensive and to attack these sociopaths though because I don't think the Democrats entirely disagree with the right wing's agenda. They might be a little more moderate, but what is that saying? Both parties have swung well to the right on economic issues over the last few decades.
Raise taxes, including a lot more tax on the richest 2%. Leave the SS alone.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
be depending on SS when he retires???........didn't think so!
It seems to be so easy for politicians to be able to tell others
what they will need to do or not do, especially when it will
never affect their own lives. How generous of him.
What about cuts and means testing with military spending?
Whilst I was in the AF, we were laughing about this one turbo driven tank they were experimenting in Rogers Dry Lake Bed. Although it was fast, every twenty minutes or so they had to clean the tanks filters, which were located on the outside, and had to be hosed down.
We were like you're in the middle of a battle and you have to leave the tank to pull the filters and clean them where you were a clean shot, or stay inside and be a dead duck?
They kept throwing money at that thing.
I also never heard of any SDI test that was successful, at least to what was expected.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Everything else should be considered before SS and Medical plans.
If the media get tunnel vision on attacking SS and Medical plans the way the republicans surely have, we should raise bloody hell with them until they get the message. Everyone should get on them like never before.
It's already started on the MSM so i suggest you call or write starting right now.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Senate_Militar...
audit-prosecute-incarcerate
First when and Republican says; "Entitlements, stop him there make it clear Social Security is not an "Entitlement", they have been lumping SSTF into the word and it's not part of the deficit.
Next tell them, the American people expect the FULL FAITH and CREDIT, on the investment authorized by Congress, to spend our Hard, HARD earned FICA Taxes, tell them it's not broken and until they discuss how it has been made insolvent, by Congress and what, first they are going to do about the FULL FAITH and CREDIT and that is the direction we start down first for Social Security and nothing else will be discussed.
Then tell us the TRUTH about the last 75 years of borrowing and trying to scare the American people about there Tax money. Tell the American people, the US TREASURY Owes, OWES, well over $4.7 Trillion dollars, FULL FAITH and CREDIT and until that's made crystal clear, we have nothing to talk about.
Ministerbruce
Hate-filled rich creep. He can fuck off with his 'ideas' and all. And lets do means testing for Lindsay and his hater pals and see if they're deserving of all that retirement they've paid into and been promised. Hell, let's just take it off them for misfeasance, nonfeasance, and malfeasance plus a general dereliction of duty as congresspeople.
me-oww!
I'd say he's had more than enough already. Just cut him off completely. He'll still get by like a prince.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
He'll still get by like a
princeprincess. FIFYThe dirty old queen.
far left loon >.<
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YYEndRASZ4
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
How about Congressional salaries and benefits and retirement savings be "means tested". That would be the fair thing to do.
miss kitty, out of all four faces...
wem
I wonder if "short term memory" Lindsay remembers that is was Republican Billy Tauzin that rammed through Medicare Part D that forbade the government from negotiating for cheaper drugs with PHARMA, and ol Billy was rewarded with a job with PHARMA at 2 mil a year. We are the only industrialized country that doesn't negoiate the price of prescription drugs. Who takes the most drugs, Seniors, or course. So letting PHARM stick it to Seniors, cost Med Part D billions unnecessarily.
but then, hey, it's only taxpayer money, right?
wem
The guy talks like Huckleberry Hound. I mean really, how seriously can we take a Senator who's constantly doing an impression of a cartoon character from 50 years ago?
He so obviously lives in a bubble.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
still dreamin' of ole' man river and the good ole' days of yore..., when men were men (unless you were black, or native american, or chinese, or irish, or muslim...) women were put on pedestals, put in work houses or brothels, children were educated with governesses and/or private tutors, or worked on farms and never attended school, or worked in workhouses or factories; where the overall life expectancy was around 40 for men and 25 for women and children were 1 in 10 of surviving the first 15 years of life. Actually, yeah, he does live in a bubble!
wem
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://ww...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpGx4foRdPw
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
yet dying Americans need to pay up front for their meds?
WTF!
I thought the Republicans represented 'the culture of life?
The GOOD life, life with more money than Christ. And if you don't have it, The Greedy Old Plutocrats would thank you for fucking off and dying right now!!!!
me-oww!
I knew this coming. Cutting Social Security benefits is going to be demanded by the Repubs as a bargaining chip for raising the debt ceiling. And what will Obama do? Will he stand by seniors or will he throw the seniors and baby boomers to the sharks?
my guess is he is well off with congressional and possibly military pensions and healthcare packages.....
wrong thread.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
Darryl Issa went from Fox onto Face the Nation and started saying the same thing about "means testing Social Security", saying "that is how it was originally set up".
Listening to these people, you'd swear SocSec was going bankrupt next June instead of 2025.
* There are two types of Republicans: millionaires and suckers.
"Mugsy's Rap Sheet": Recording history for those who seek to rewrite it.
lindsey graham may think the general middle class
owes him a pound of flesh, but when the middle/poor
classes finally catch on to being dry-fucked by the miscreant
elite self-entitled rich, it's his head they will be after literally
and then they know where to find it.........up his bloody ass.
Alas, if we had a president in the opposition party (in the minority against the two wings of the business party) s/he would find a microphone and say
"The Republicans have opposed social security since it was established; it demonstrates that government can work, and that drives them crazy. All that is needed to "fix" Social Security is to tax the millionaires at the same rate as you and I are taxed for Social Security. If you're opposed to throwing a couple hundred bucks to grandma every week, in a system she paid into since before you were born, then you're a Republican. The rest of us are Americans, thank you."
Unfortunately, we don't have a president from the opposition party.
Guess it's a good thing Obama pre-emptively caved in on the Bush tax cuts. Look at all the awesome stuff we got!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2xajou_lHI
and give something away such as means testing or age. Then the Repukes will blame the whole thing on Obama at the next election. Seniors will rely on Fox news for facts and a crazy as s... Repuke will get elected. Please no ! Obama and the Dems need to call out the Repukes and let them shut down govt and not make payments on Treasuries. Once we are really screwed maybe some of Americas idiots will realize who's to blame. It worked under Clinton and if America is not truly the land of the stupid it should work now. And as far as means testing, why are we not means testing those who have served in Congress for pensions ? What have these rich clowns done to deserve a pension when those of us actually doing real work with few benefits have seen ours eliminated ?
and bullshit walks, the repubes have modified that old saying to: money talks and talks, and talks, and talks... and all the rest is bullshit!
wem
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