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As our friends at Media pointed out, Bill Kristol was still fear mongering about government health care rationing on Fox News Sunday this weekend.

WALLACE: Let's go to the substance of this before we get back to the regulation question, Bill, because there is, the fact -- as I suspect, a number of us have living wills, do not resuscitate things. And "The Wall Street Journal" editorial, as you say, said the problem wasn't the policy, it was the process, the idea of being forced to drop something out of the law and then going around Congress and doing it through a regulation.

But there was an interesting article I read yesterday that pointed out states like Arizona and Indiana are already in their state Medicaid, beginning to ration care and saying, you know, we're just not going to pay for transplants or extraordinary measures because we can't afford to do it. So, in that sense, there is already rationing going on, a lot more serious than this end-of-life counseling.

KRISTOL: And the more government takes over health care, the more government rationing there will be, and the more the government will tell you whether you have to have a living will or whether you have to discuss it with your doctor every year, or every five years. And that is this argument against Obamacare.

The point about this regulation, it was buried in the thousand of pages of regulations. Do we really want our health care system run by people at HHS, writing ten thousands of pages of regulations based on this incredibly complex Obamacare bill, or do we want a system in which people can work this out with their own doctors? I think it's a very good issue for Republicans to have the oversight hearings on, along with many, many other regulatory issues where Republicans should look a look at what the Obama administration is doing.

As Media Matters noted in their article, there is plenty of rationing going on, but it's the insurance companies that are doing it.

Chris Wallace pointed to Arizona as an example of governments rationing their health care, but he didn't bother to mention how the state got there as this article explains.

How we got here: Arizona budget history:

2003: Housing boom officially begins, increasing revenue and decreasing the projected shortfall. State further decreases the shortfall with more cost delays and a $310 million federal bailout.

2006: State has a $1.5 billion budget surplus. Gov. Janet Napolitano, a Democrat, works with a GOP-led Legislature to expand or create a number of state programs, including $160 million for all-day kindergarten. They also pass $500 million in tax cuts.

2007: Housing boom begins to go bust. National recession officially begins.

2008: Napolitano joins the U.S. Department of Homeland Security; Secretary of State Jan Brewer becomes governor. Brewer suggests a tax increase to overcome budget shortfalls.

January 2009: Brewer sworn in, putting the executive and legislative branches of state government in GOP hands.

March 2009: Brewer speech lays out a recovery plan that includes a sales-tax increase; two Republican lawmakers walk out.

July 2009: Brewer vetoes bulk of a legislative budget plan for 2010. Plan lacked a tax increase.

November 2009: Brewer signs a budget package that cuts $144 million from K-12 schools and $155 million from the state Department of Economic Security. For the first time, the state exceeds its threshold of $500 million in IOUs backed by state-held accounts and must turn to institutional lenders.
This year

January: State for the first time goes to the public bond market to sell 14 state buildings, including the tower that houses the Governor's Office, for $735.4 million. The state retains control of the buildings and leases them back at an interest rate of 4 percent.

February: Legislature passes a bill to ask voters to pass a three-year 1-cent-per-dollar increase in the state sales tax. The state begins to close parks.

March: Lawmakers eliminate KidsCare, a $22 million program for children from lower-income families, but restores it after discovering the state would lose $7 billion in federal Medicaid dollars.

May: Voters approve the state sales-tax hike.

July: State ends funding for all-day kindergarten, saving the state $218 million.

November: Voters decide not to let the Legislature take $345 million from the First Things First early-childhood-education program and $123 million from a land-conservation fund to help balance the general fund.

December: Budget shortfall for the current fiscal year, which ends in June, is $825 million and for next fiscal year is $1.4 billion.

So Republicans refused to raise taxes in the state and then Jan Brewer started cutting social services instead. Sadly as this article in the New York Times noted, this is something we're going to see more of and until our economy improves or states choose some different priorities with how to solve their budget deficits instead of balancing them off of the backs of the poor.

Arizona Medicaid Cuts Seen as a Sign of the Times:

With enrollments exploding, revenues shrinking and the low-hanging fruit plucked long ago, virtually every state has had to make painful cuts to its Medicaid program during the economic downturn.

What distinguishes the reductions recently imposed in Arizona, where coverage was eliminated on Oct. 1 for certain transplants of the heart, liver, lung, pancreas and bone marrow, is the decision to stop paying for treatments urgently needed to ward off death.

The cuts in transplant coverage, which could deny organs to 100 adults currently on the transplant list, are testament to both the severity of fiscal pressures on the states and the particular bloodlessness of budget-cutting in Arizona.

“It’s a real sign of the times,” said Alan Weil, executive director of the National Academy for State Health Policy. “And I think this is a precursor to a much larger number of states having this discussion.”

Policy choices with such life-threatening implications are all the more striking given the partisan framing of the health debate.

Republicans have argued that the new health law will lead to rationing, warning even of “death panels.” Democrats have responded that care is already rationed, with 50 million people going largely without insurance, and that the law will bring greater equity.

The Arizona case, said Diane Rowland, director of the Kaiser Commission on Medicaid and the Uninsured, “is a classic example of making decisions based not on medical need but based on a budget.” And, she added, “it results, potentially, in denial of care to individuals in a life-or-death situation.”

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berniem's picture

Please, don't relate anything this idiot says to us, pleeeeeze!!! Look, pretty much the only place this guy gets face time is on Faux and the only people who listen or even care are those reactionary half-wits that watch it and vote republican and don't have enough sense to question anything that they're fed. On the other hand, having to read or hear sub-humans like this clown or Ms. Cheney or Lil Tucker, et al, just makes us despair as to the condition of this country. We get enough wingnut BS from the MSM and would rather really hear about more substantive issues than what the newest drivel is to be spewed from the mouths of the inane and out of touch!

let alone on the teevee.


"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn

docb's picture

Why listen to these fools

RobertD's picture
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"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
-- John F. Kennedy

DBoucher's picture

Not totally relevant but I had a heart attack and was admitted to Hhospital from the 25th to the 31st. I was fed 3 times a day and provided with numerous medications and put through a battery of tests. Cost to me; zilch. Oh Canada.

miss_kitty's picture

in jail?

Peter G's picture

The other convicts voted him off the island?


Hasa Diga Eebowai

Wichitaliberal's picture

Is Kristol really a liberal paid to make conservatives look bad? Nobody can get this much airtime for being so utterly wrong and stupid on a consistent basis. Oh wait, there's Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh. My mistake.

Ape-Man's picture

Kristol has never been right about a single thing, which gives me great hope and confidence in the public option or single payer.


"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-

Peter G's picture

is that a single payer system will prevent them from buying their way to the front of the line. There is no denying that a properly run universal single payer requires the use of triage to properly prioritize things like transplants. If everyone is eligible to participate in the process that that reduces their personal chances of "winning."


Hasa Diga Eebowai

Ape-Man's picture

I think hidden selfish motives are behind all the hysterical republican nonsense.
Let them win again and it will only get worse.


"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-

AK23's picture

I think you nailed it perfectly. The real fear people like Kristol have is that in a "fair and balanced" society, one that runs on a single payer health care system that levels the playing field, they won't be able to use their money and power to push their way past the average joe's to get all the advantages, ie. top notch healthcare in lightning speed. The don't want to be on the same playing field as the janitors, secretary's and teachers. They want to be able to live in their super rich, conservative bubble. That's why they hate liberals. They aren't compassionate nor do they want the greater good for all, it's all about them.

That's why we're hearing all of this death panel, rationing, their gonna kill grandma BS, it's because their trying to scare people into NOT wanting the playing field leveled. It's like reverse psychology.

MountainMan23's picture

"healthcare rationing" = "letting all those, ahem, colored people and hippies into our hospitals"


When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?

Not soon enough!

Ape-Man's picture

As MSNBCs Lawrence O'Donnell said "Just how dangerous are these new Republicans?"

That's right America - Republicans are dangerous.

Just for a start, they are potentially deadly to all people with pre-existing conditions, including such members of their own families.


"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-

ysbaddaden's picture
)O(

Diabolus est Deus Inversus

Kirien's picture

If Mr. Kristol had to deal with the health care system most of the American populace has to deal with...he'd very quickly realize there is already rationing and death panels.

Rationing by the health insurance industry...and death panels set up by the same.

ronspri's picture

Which is what makes Mr Kristols argument about as shallow as it can get.

Zach's picture

"Rationing" sounds bad. Just call it "austerity" - sounds less scary doesn't it?

As for me, I do prefer a health care system run by HHS, as opposed to one run by a giant consortium of drug companies, pharmaceutical companies, lawyers and lobbyists.


"The enemy is anybody who's going to get you killed, no matter which side he's on." - John Yossarian, Catch-22

ronspri's picture

" Do we really want our health care system run by people at HHS...."

Actually my question was, do we really want our health care run by insurance companies and drug companies that operate with the primary goal of maximum profit? That is the free market answer. That isn't an answer. Unfortunately health care is not a commodity like a car or cell phone. That seems to be their fundamental misunderstanding. I'm not a big fan of this bill but until they can make it better instead of worse they need to keep their blow holes shut.

Notice they start right in on things that go to US citizens and communities when they talk about reducing the debt. Those big government checks going to giant companies that use the money to invest overseas, Nope cant cut that. Ya wanna know what is ruining the economy? People that don't spend it in the US and on it's citizens. Those taxes are MY MONEY(to turn a phrase) and I want it spent here. We need to start cutting off the money to the people that are exporting our money and jobs. That will save us money and build a new US economy.

Unity-Sustainability.

angryspittle's picture

Has this wad of fuck EVER been right about anything?

with their own doctors?<

is that the system we had?
i thought we had to work it out with our insurance providers.

ron's picture

the jounalist host would surely be smart enough to bring that up if it were true wouldn't they?

rtb1961's picture

Of course privatised health care ain't rationed, it's simply starvation based, the poor get none and none is not the same as evil socialists rationing.
When Kristol smiles when he lies about health, are those smiles because he is mentally counting the money he is being paid to lie or are those smiles because he is thinking about the poor dying in agony without health care.
We need government run mental health care, for all those psychopaths and narcissists, it's about they were locked up for our safety.

Bayman1215's picture

You are completely stupid and gullible if you listen to Kristol and believe his lies. That goes for all of Fox, right wing teanut radio and the GOP.

constituent's picture

although ,not liked by many, the mandate is wanted by the insurance companies in a trade off to cover pre-existing conditions. they know that the dewindling paying pool can't continue to pay. the right knows the escalating health care ins./care has to be slowed down but don't want to fix it until it's broken many times over.

watstearns's picture

Here is a petition for federal election reform, so that Congress will obey the people not corporations: http://www.petitiononline.com/PoliTru3/petiti....
If we act together now, we can still save our country.

What is the matter with these rubes....can't they read? Healthcare will still be administered through private healthcare companies...just regulated by the government. Somebody has to be watching the henhouse.


“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”

Kreskin's picture

Bill Kristol is at it again ? BFD . Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


"The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all."

Embittered Angry Anti-Republicrat Max-Hussein-1's picture
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R E M E M B E R:
It's NOT rationing when Republicans cut into Medicare.

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Starve the WAR Beast...
... Save the World.

follow the money's picture

Speaking of 'Rationing'
here you go:
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/29/medicare-...

"Flashback: Republicans Opposed Medicare In 1960's By Warning Of Rationing, 'Socialized Medicine'
by: Igor Volsky on July 9th, 2009/think progress.org

They threatened so called 'Rationing' in 1960's
hey there's
Ronald Reagan's Picture too, from 1960.

rationed by private insurance companies for profit. Health care will be rationed one way or another. That's the harsh reality. Private insurance companies ration care by denying coverage, only accepting the healthiest beneficiaries, dropping people when they get sick, etc.

ysbaddaden's picture
)O(

Oh darn...less sponges, watches, keys and beepers sewed into us,

Whatever will we do!!!


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

timtimes's picture

Yes, rationing for the ultra rich who would have to make room for the rest of us. I'm all for it. The healthcare 'problem' is rather simple. The healthcare industry is being run with the same dedication to business 'values' as was afforded to us by Enron executives.
Enjoy.


Mom always told me I was special and I believed her.

boycottfaux's picture

It might have been more constructive, instructive and productive to FIRST explain to the fauxbots the purpose of executing a LIVING WILL at the start of the show before the RWers went to town with their death panel MISinformation . .

YOUR wishes to family and healthcare providers directing the treatment of YOUR medical prognosis!!!

I'd like to add - if it is YOUR wish to remain on life support, then:

RICH people can stay on the life support machine until the cows come home . .

OTHERS will be taken off life support when their insurance company coverage runs out . .

NOW, who is making YOUR decisions?

ysbaddaden's picture
)O(

So buy the controlling interest in Clamine Lotion

Schmuck...


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

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