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John McCain with a bit of verbal acrobatics on CNN's American Morning, trying to say the stimulus package was a failure while decrying the "politics" being played when Ray LaHood told his Governor they were free to follow McCain and Kyl's advice and turn down the money for Arizona.

CHETRY: All right. Republicans are hitting the Obama administration hard, not only over the cost of overhauling health care, but also the stimulus plan. Whether it's working effectively and whether it's worth the billions it cost. In Arizona, it turned up to a dustup between one senator and members of the administration, and now Senator John McCain is joining that fight over whether the stimulus spending should be outright canceled. Senator John McCain is joining us live from Capitol Hill this morning.

Good to have you with us again, senator. Thanks for being here.

SEN. JOHN MCCAIN (R), ARIZONA: Thank you, Kiran.

CHETRY: Well, you know, your fellow senator, Arizona's Jon Kyl, has said that the stimulus should be canceled. He called it a failure. Do you think that we should stop the spending?

MCCAIN: Jon Kyl was on a talk show on Sunday, talking about how the stimulus has failed, which it has, and only 10 percent of the money has been distributed, and the predictions of the administration were there would be eight percent unemployment. We're now at 9.5 percent, headed for 10.

So, in an arrogant use of power, the president's chief of staff, Mr. Rahm Emanuel, told four cabinet secretaries to send a letter to our governor and ask her if she wanted the money or not. Now, our governor is right in the middle of a fiscal crisis and doesn't need that kind of harassment. So, the point is that the money has been, is being spent. The money has been allocated, and it is a failure and that's what Jon Kyl was talking about. And what Rahm Emanuel did was an arrogant use of power, that's all.

CHETRY: Well, what you're referring to is letters that went out to the governor of Arizona. One of them came from Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood, a Republican, who wrote that if you prefer to forfeit the money we are making available to your state as Senator Kyl suggests, please let me know.

But politics aside, do you think Arizona should say...

MCCAIN: Astonishing that they are making available? My state of Arizona is a donor state. We send more money to Washington than it sends back, so secretary of transportation is making available to Arizona our own money? I tell you, that's a remarkable statement. A remarkable statement.

CHETRY: What I'm wondering, though, is so we have Jon Kyl criticizing the stimulus, and saying that it's failing.

MCCAIN: As have I, and it is.

CHETRY: Right. And both senators from the state are saying that. So, what about perhaps putting your money...

MCCAIN: We're saying it failed.

CHETRY: What about putting your money where your mouth is and, OK, let's not take any money.

MCCAIN: We are saying that it failed, it has failed by any measurement. And by the way, one of the cabinet secretaries told me over the phone in these words that the letter that was sent is political b.s. That's what he said to me. And you know what? He's right.

CHETRY: So, do you think that the administration is out for political revenge for those who that don't agree...

MCCAIN: Of course.

CHETRY: With the stimulus?

MCCAIN: Of course. Why else would the present chief of staff, in the midst of all of the issues that we have, take time out to order four cabinet secretaries to send a letter to the governor of the state of Arizona trying to put her and Senator Kyl in a very uncomfortable position? That's - it's ridiculous.

CHETRY: Let's get back to the actual dollar amounts. Because it's no secret many states are struggling right now. As you said, Arizona one of them. According to the administration, they would be giving at least $521 million intended to go toward transit projects in your state. Another $45 million for housing loans, and some $73 million, I guess, that would be coming from HUD. Would you be willing to give up that kind of money for your state?

MCCAIN: I'm very concerned about the fact that with the Medicaid increases contemplated in the health bill that just went through the United States Senate committee, which I said would be putting billions of additional costs onto the state of Arizona and other states around America, which the governors just last weekend said they simply could not afford. Which is another reason why the health care plan as propounded by the president is failing in the minds of the American people.

CHETRY: Back to the stimulus money, though. For and you Jon Kyl...

MCCAIN: It's our tax dollars, and we obviously feel very strongly that we don't want our tax dollars wasted, especially Arizona's tax dollars. We send more money to Washington. The bill has been passed, the money is being distributed. Unfortunately, only 10 percent of it, and that is the case. But the stimulus has been a failure and everybody knows it.

CHETRY: So your governor, Jan Brewer, did put up on the Web site, where this money is going. Saying it's going to protect some of (INAUDIBLE), it's going to grow Arizona's future, it's going to create jobs. The mayor of Phoenix, who is a Democrat, says that he needs the money to build roads and to put people to work. They're on the frontlines of these, are they wrong?

MCCAIN: I'm sure they're probably - of course, they are correct in that the money will be of some help. It has been a failure and it is an outright failure and that's undeniable.

CHETRY: I want to ask you one other quick question.

MCCAIN: And, again, this politicization of this issue is totally unnecessary and our conversation, frankly about this is unnecessary because if those letters hadn't been written, we wouldn't be having this conversation. We would be focusing on the F-22 $1.75 billion unnecessary cost that we are voting on this morning. We'd be talking about health care, which is now aroused most Americans now are very skeptical if not outright opposed to it.

CHETRY: Yes, Michael Steele called it an experiment. He called it socialism, talking about the health care plan that's out there right now in the House. Do you agree?

MCCAIN: I have my own opinions on most issues now, and I'll be glad to give you my opinions, and I appreciate the opportunity to do so. This costs too much, taxes too much, and spends too much and the American people are becoming very aware of it. This Congressional Budget Office judgment, which was an act of courage by the director of the Congressional Budget Office, shows that this does nothing for reducing the costs of health care in America which is really the problem with health care in America, not the quality, but the cost of it. And that's why the most respected organization - one of the most respected in America, the Mayo Clinic, has come out strongly opposed to this proposal.

CHETRY: And senator, so you have the president out there. He's been out all week. He's going to be speaking again, trying to push this health care plan. He wants it passed before the August recess in Congress. Do you see that happening?

MCCAIN: Well, I hope not, but I do not underestimate the power of the president and the fact that they have large majorities in both houses of Congress. But I think the American people are waking up to how dangerous this is not only for the future of health care in America, but our fiscal future.

CHETRY: All right. Senator John McCain joining us this morning.

MCCAIN: Thank you. CHETRY: Thanks for being with us. Appreciate it.

MCCAIN: Thank you.

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MCCAIN: The predictions of the administration were there would be eight percent unemployment. We're now at 9.5 percent, headed for 10.

I've heard this lie many times recently by Republican dissemblers. I don't even have to fact check this one, Obama never said that unemployment would only go up to 8 percent and stop there.

Lies, lies, lies.

Before long every newsreader will be asking "So why did Obama promise that unemployment wouldn't go over 8%"?

Please please don't get me going on this. My blood pressure is high enough with what McAsshole said on this topic without you raising it higher with more Republican bullshit. Let's let that drop until another time, OK?

Uncle Joe Mccarthy's picture

they keep repeating alot of falsehoods, and never get called on it

its ok

the repukes want america to fail

CoIntelPro.PronktasticlyAgainst.SCLM.E-Voting.Incumbents's picture

nothing new.

the media helps the liars spew the lies.

nothing new.


Some stuff you can't make up!

mclame offered nothing but bs
and is just another fucking liar.
the gop is trying to destroy the
American economy just like they
have California's economy....it's bankrupt.

DBoucher's picture

Chetry - "Could you just give me a yes or a no? Just answer the effin' question you effin' politician!"

McCain: Obama is a failure. The Stimulus package is a failure. I of course think Sarah Palin knows more about energy than anyone else, so trust my judgement on everything.


Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.

McCain: Obama is a failure. The Stimulus package is a failure. I of course think Sarah Palin knows more about energy than anyone else, so trust my judgment on everything. The economy would have been much worse if I had not suspended my campaign to fix the mess even though the economy was sound at the time. And my nonexistent health care plan would have been much better to.

You forgot some.

What is Sen. McCain's position on the stimulus packages being put out on C Street?

Is there sufficient money in the stimulus package to entice Hanoi to take this two faced old toad back?


Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.

Michelle's picture

If only 10% of the stimulus package has been spent,can anybody know if it is successful or not, or is the entire stimulus package a failure even though 90% has not been spent.

Puts me in mind of yesterday's story about Jindal taking credit for the stimulus money, months after he said he would reject it.

Maroons.


I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America, and to the republic which it established, one nation from many peoples, promising liberty and justice for all

constituent's picture

although he's in charge of monetary policy i will give Bernacke more attention regarding the "stimulus"
than McLiar. less than one-fourth of the stimulus money/funds has gotten out their. bernacke recently said it's too early. what the (r) does NOT like is someone punching back if you will. typical of (r)'s spread the blame and purposely confuse the issue.

ccf's picture

so how bout some more of dat monay??? mccain? what you thinkin'?

As much as Mccain is in the media, you would not have guessed that he lost the election. If you lose the presidential election, you should not be able to be in the main stream media for at least a year. His opinions to me are irrelevant and stupid.

People?" And that he knows what they are thinking? I want the name of the cabinet member who told him the letters were "bs." More vague generalizations. And the letters that were sent out? They are called courtesy letters. Leave it to the desperate losers to call it harassment. If it was up to me, anyone who refused the stimulus money would NOT GET ANY.

Winski's picture

Just like his bozo daughter, mcsame is out of his pin this morning muttering in microphones that may or may not be turned on with the latest limberger/beck/hannratty/billo-the-clown talking points that may or may not be on a subject that anyone has ever heard about - or cares...

Too stupid for breath....

Amitola's picture

Who knows more about FAILURE than John McCain?!!

- he just about (should have) failed out of the USNA
- he failed as a Navy pilot (crashed a bunch of planes)
- he failed at being faithful to his injured wife (the one who stood
by him while he was a pow)
- he failed several times at running for president
- and, pretty much every time he speaks, he fails to tell the truth.


"Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of Stupidity" - Frank Leahy

OliverDreams's picture

I am sooooo thankful that this clueless bastard didn't become President. Talking about dodging a bullet.

mnich13's picture

... he's a swell guy.

surfjac's picture

..you shouldn't use "swell" about a Republican.


Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"

Don't forget that he failed to run an honest, ethical campaign, and he failed to select a qualified vice president.

just for a couple more. And yet the MSM is apparently blissfully ignorant of any of these facts.

The MSM desperately needs their republicanzi.

I mean, Wolf Blitzer had Rudy Jillianee on as an advisor on national health care policy today. there is simply no excuse for that, contracts or not. So much for his "situation room" idea!

BTW - it was disgusting. I hope everyone else changed the channel half way through like i did.


"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-

Farley's picture

He didn't even show up for it. Really, it's as if his microphone was connected to another interview.

This man is a looooooon!

Cat Atomic's picture

'We shouldn't be talking about this. We intended to simply misspend or hoard the stimulus dollars, then complain that the money wasn't spent and the plan had failed. How can we blame Obama if you point out that we're actually sabotaging the effort?'

What a little weasel he is.

Dahgrostabph-r-i's picture

Do you have any idea how happy I am that this idiot is not our president?

Indeed!


Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.

Kahn's picture

I'm sure everyone noticed how he completely ignored the questions and would simply go off on a tangent about whatever else he wanted to talk about.
The best I saw Chetry do was when she said: "Back to the smimulus money"

When she should have been saying: "Sir, that is irrelevant to what I asked you, can you give me an answer" Something!
This type of 'interviewing' is useless, might as well just turn on the camera and walk away, let them prattle on for 5 minutes and say bye, bye.

savannah43's picture

his mouth is.

I don't feel terribly inclined to trust the judgment on economic issues of a man who professed he is very bad at economics.

I do remember, however, that he professed himself as being the only one who knows how to capture Osama Bin Laden, and I'm very curious to know when he intends to put his ingenious plan into action. Perhaps he shouldn't waste everyone's time talking about economic issues. Y'know, since he announced how little he knows about them.

Dahgrostabph-r-i's picture

I love how facts just don't matter to these right wing dipshits:

Stimulous has failed - but I don't want to give the money back

Health Care Bill is in trouble - even though over 65% of the American voting public is behind it

Sotomeyor is unqualified - What are her qualifications? It doesn't matter - nothing could be good enough for the repugs

The fact that this party is taken seriously is a sign that America is screwed in the head and needs some real repair. The best thing we can do is take away all the right wingers citizenships and let them find a new country to corrupt. Me, I'm tired of these idiots, they are never going to be onboard with us as Americans so why do we waste our time and effort?

all there. They can either repent, or ultimately go to the real hell.

Em Tee's picture

Why would anyone waste time/breath/energy talking to this cranky, old, failure? As if he even knows what he is talking about. His answers don't even make much sense. Time for his bowl of oatmeal.

gussmith's picture

Quoting McCain: "Jon Kyl was on a talk show on Sunday, talking about how the stimulus has failed, which it has, and only 10 percent of the money has been distributed...,"

Seeing that it was clear up front that this is a two year program how can it be that the stimulus has failed when only 10% has been put into the economy?

Truth_Critic's picture

...give the disingenuous peeps the podium.

It's a failure but, but, but only a portion has been distributed.


Study the symptoms not the virus...

ronhohn's picture

... I always thought that we pay federal taxes to support the federal government - the whole thing, military, politicians and all.
What do states expect? Have all of the taxes returned? Maybe with interest?


If you need funds to pay for essentials, you have a revenue problem
If you need funds to pay for frivolity, you have a spending problem

Senator, does your failed try at the Presidency identify you as being more mavericky than Sarah Palin's failed stint as Alaska's governor? Do you now feel that had you quit the campaign, that that would have better positioned you to run again 2012?


Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.

Didn't McCain crash like 3 jets? How many billions of tax payer money was that he wasted?

That Mick Piobr's picture

for burning the USS Forrestal and killing over 100 sailors too.

Supposedly that is why his plane "malfunctioned" over Hanoi.

Oh yea, the Forrestal. He ran and hid after he set fire to the ship if I recall. The guvment, along with daddy's connections, bailed him out of that one too.

Original Col Kilgore's picture

Not only did he routinely wreck expensive fighter jets but he cavorted with the NVA to get preferential treatment. He even had a bedside visit from General Giap. Its been said he later held Vietnam hostage, for any proof they had of his compliance with the enemy, in return for more trade for Vietnam. Hes a two faced prick !

McCain's running mate's state of Alaska is #1 in the amount of Federal tax dollars it takes versus what it gives back. Guess he forgot to mention that.

constituent's picture

mcLame has been covered/under a social/government medical system his entire life. now when others want the same type of government insurance coverage he& hisfamily have had, we can't have it.

Truth_Critic's picture

Federal Taxes Paid vs. Federal Spending Received by State, 1981-2005

How has your state been treated?

I know there is a better chart out there, though I can't locate it right now. :-/

[ http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/22... ]


Study the symptoms not the virus...

Bonkers's picture

Off topic:
Randi Rhodes is playing a hilarious rock and roll remix of Glenn "Mmmmmelting Down" Beck right now. Pretty funny.

Har! Here it is everybody. I will try to remember to post it on the next inevitable Beck/Fox thread:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3yn3SelVCs


I'm just superstitious enough to hedge my bets.

Truth_Critic's picture

And if I read the 2005 statistics correctly...

...Arizona sent in $35,988 million and got back $44,639. They ranked #21 in the nation... getting $1.19 in return for every $1.00 sent in? :-/


Study the symptoms not the virus...

texrednface's picture

I found the same chart you found, but also found articles by Jeff Flatt(R-Ar.) calling Arizona a "donor state" because it pays more in Federal Gasoline taxes than say New York.
http://www.heritage.org/press/commentary/ed04...

But according to the Tax Foundation numbers they are studying all taxes, including gas taxes. McCain is trying to snow us.

savannah43's picture

bullshit. He is addled. He needs to retire.

Truth_Critic's picture

Sounds like one of those pick and choose exorcises, the (R)'s are good with! ;)


Study the symptoms not the virus...

"So, in an arrogant use of power, the president's chief of staff, Mr. Rahm Emanuel, told four cabinet secretaries to send a letter to our governor and ask her if she wanted the money or not. Now, our governor is right in the middle of a fiscal crisis and doesn't need that kind of harassment. So, the point is that the money has been, is being spent. The money has been allocated, and it is a failure and that's what Jon Kyl was talking about. And what Rahm Emanuel did was an arrogant use of power, that's all."

Oh you little mealy mouth cesspool of arrogant hypocrisy. You said that only 10% of the4 money has been spent/distributed. So what the hell would have happened if your governor has not taken the money or if the money was not there to take. Your hotter than hell, scorpion ridden, skin cancer causing, good for nothing except sending right wing Nazi type into peoples houses and killing them because they are brown skinned state would have had to lay off who knows how many employees and the companies what are doing the road work that is being paid for by the stimulus money would have had to lay off or not hire who knows how many more employees who then go and spend money buying beer that is being distributed by your wife's beer distribution monopoly. They also buy cars and food and pool supplies. To say that the stimulus is a failure is a Frank Lunz taking point that make you sound like the piece of shit that you are.

Lay off McCain's tax payer funded skin cancer treatment. The conservative elite in congress have socialized tax payer funded health care and that's all that matters. If you expect the same thing it's considered a guvment socialized hand out program....even though you are paying for it which is the same argument McCain is making about Arizona. getting tax payer money back.

Now get off McCain's lawn and don't question him! He was a POW doncha know!!

"We are saying that it failed, it has failed by any measurement. And by the way, one of the cabinet secretaries told me over the phone in these words that the letter that was sent is political b.s. That's what he said to me. And you know what? He's right."

The cabinet secretaries are no more doing political b.s. that you and Kyl are by saying the stimulus is not working just to grandstand against the Democrats. If it is not working than be a man and give the money back or deny the rest of the $$$$$ that your scorching state is going to take and apparently not use to help the economy. Dip Shit.

texrednface's picture

Senator McCain in this interview called Arizona a "donor state"

Yet,here is a 2006 article on federal tax donor and recipient states: http://www.taxfoundation.org/press/show/1395....
http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/1397.html

If I interpret this correctly Arizona is not a "donor state"in Federal Tax dollars.
However, according to Rep.Jeff Flatt(R-Ar)and our friends at the Heritage Foundation, Arizona is a "donor State"in revenues derived by the Federal Taxes on gasoline. see:http://www.heritage.org/press/commentary/ed042109d.cfm

Is John McCain misspeaking, being specious, or what? Has the amount Arizona has spent in federal tax dollars vs. their contributions changed since 2006, when the Tax Foundation released this study? changed? Help me understand this discrepancy.

"Why else would the present chief of staff, in the midst of all of the issues that we have, take time out to order four cabinet secretaries to send a letter to the governor of the state of Arizona trying to put her and Senator Kyl in a very uncomfortable position? That's - it's ridiculous."

He did it because you were trying to put the president of the U.S. of A. in a very uncomfortable position, pissant. The chief of staff was attempting to save the tax payers a little cashola as opposed to letting your lame state throw it away and not use it to stimulate the economy as you say.

"...of course, they are correct in that the money will be of some help. It has been a failure and it is an outright failure and that's undeniable."

What can you say about that statement that it does not say for itself. I guess you could say that McShame is senile.

Everytime I see McGrumpy interviewed I do a little victory dance to celebrate that he's not our president. What a little prick he is.

ysbaddaden's picture
)O(

Everytime you turn around the past few weeks they talk about Wall Street gaining ground.

But unemployment remains high; it's a lagging economic indicator, which means the possibility of more home foreclosures, unless the banks start loaning again like they were supposed to with TARP. But boosh attached no strings to that--that would've been too Socialist...


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

Truth_Critic's picture

...ysb √


Study the symptoms not the virus...

"and the predictions of the administration were there would be eight percent unemployment. We're now at 9.5 percent, headed for 10."

And you McShit said that the Economy was sound right before it exploded into a heaping pile of Republican caused shit. So what is your point?

bc3000's picture

They are a welfare state, just like most of the states represented by republicans.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/files/sr139.pdf

They receive more money from the federal government than they send.

Original Col Kilgore's picture

I am starting to suffer from serious bullshit overload. Its making my head hurt. To hear MC Cain bitch about money after cheerleading Bushes bullshit wars and trillions of wasted dollars is making me puke. You , my American friends are seriously up against a tide of non stop bullshit. Add it to the garbage i have heard spewed about Canada and UKs health care. I could ask why the bullshitters even get a forum to lie their asses off but i already know the answer to that too. I was at CNN site reading the Ticker and they have articles saying Obama is done like dinner poll wise already. I went to comment and took too long i guess. CNN wasnt getting enough support for their bullshit in the comments so they gassed the thread after 59 comments. Anything anti Obama they can get rolling though ? They will let the comments run into the many hundreds. See what you are up against ? I feel so sorry for progressive, compassionate, intelligent Americans who have to live amongst the others. I wouldn't last long down there. I just cant shut up when someone is trying to cram crap down my throat. Id never stop laughing in their faces till someone shot me.

What I do not understand is by McCain's own words if only 10% of the money has been spent then how can you come to the conclusion that the stimulus has been a failure????

That is like saying we are in the first inning of a baseball game and we are down 1-0 so we have lost the game.

Sure the base unemployment number is higher than what anyone could have predicted, but the stimulus was designed to reduce unemployment by 1 1/2 to 2% over a 2 year period and we are only 4 months into it. So, if the unemployment rate ends up being 10%, then without the stimulus it may very well have been 11 1/2 to 12%.

Also all that cash that has gone to the states and the tax cuts have definately helped to stabilize some states and the consumer. See this article.

http://money.cnn.com/2009/02/13/news/economy/...

Nobody for President's picture

Where we'd be now if this douche had gotten elected? What an ass.

nyguy's picture

In my opinion, I, like every American I’m speaking with, we’re ill about this position that we have been put in where it is the taxpayers looking to bail out. But ultimately, what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the health-care reform that is needed to help shore up our economy, helping the oh! — it’s got to be all about job creation, too, shoring up our economy and putting it back on the right track. So health-care reform and reducing taxes and reining in spending has got to accompany tax reductions and tax relief for Americans. And trade, we’ve got to see trade as opportunity, not as a competitive, scary thing. But one in five jobs being created in the trade sector today, we’ve got to look at that as more opportunity. All those things under the umbrella of job creation. This bailout is a part of that.

Teddy Phufner's picture

You want to see the definition of an entrenched partisan hack, look no further than John McCain. A man who was a POW who back-peddled on torture, who has a horrible track record in supporting the troops, who at every available opportunity attacks his political opponent with venom only reserved for those with the rare combination of ignorance, cognitive dissonance, entrenched elitism and unrepentant narcissism.

A complete and utter disgrace.

bmw 528's picture

I guess what this fraudulant toady forgot that the stimulus program was supposed to take two years, not four and a half months. Of course, when your national party is in shambles and has no plausable alternatives to propose, lies are all you have left. And the Neocons do, with impunity.

So if clueless fuckwit Mc Cain has a better plan or idea---BRING IT ON! Where is it, moron? Or are you going to keep that a secret too until you become President?

Guess you'll be keeping that secret for a long time.


"We will find fulfillment not in the goods that we have, but in the good we can do for each other."

Robert F. Kennedy

surfjac's picture

..and if you lie enough, people start to believe the BS. Yes, two year program four and a half months old, no progress, failure, failure, failure, etc. until the electorate just hears: program failure.
Yep, McCain not President - GOOD, GOP liars? - You BET!


Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"

crcombine's picture

...it's gotta' be painful to talk out of both sides of your mouth like that.
Has McGrouchy said one thing in the last 10 years that's made sense? His short time with Palin totally destroyed his ability to speak coherently.


"Buy the ticket, take the ride."
Hunter S. Thompson

What? It's only been a few months. I think it's a little to early to call it a failure. We've held steady and improved in some ways (eg: the stock market) but it took Bush almost 8 years to fvck things up this bad. They won't be fixed overnight.

CNN should take heed of the fact that John Stewart is now the most trusted news man in America. Brian Williams can quit the wise-guy act now on John's show too - Williams came in second [according to a time magazine poll].

This just in - Candy Crowly says Obama is week and a no vote on his health plan will be his "Waterloo". I say BS. - it is a non political issue. dead and dying people need help now. This is just one of today's reason John Stewart is the most trusted news man, and not anybody on CNN. CNN, i'm looking in your direction - it's your move - stop perpetuating republicanzi lies by not setting the record straight with the knowable facts. that's it.


"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-

SJD's picture

lying sack of dog stuff!

follow the money's picture

lets see..
lets start here:
this little article right here:
1/24/02:
"The last tango: enron and bush"
by Tim Wheeler

6/12/03:
"The plot to Kill Social security"
(Bush's plan to bankrupt the nation's retirement program)
by Farhad Manjoo

6/20/08:
"Bear Stearns managers indictment alleges fraud"
by greg farrell

7/17/08:
"Senate panel hears about European tax havens in leichtenstein"

8/8/07:
"Bear Stearns fat cats cashed out at the top"
by brett arends/the street

9/15/08:
"Stocks tank after wall street shake-up"
by CBSnew.com

9/18/08:
"Lehman Brothers: Belly-up!"

9/20/08:
"Bush seeking $700Billion for financial bailout"
msn.com

9/20/08:
"Financial Bailout:Americas own Kleptocracy"
by global research.com

10/6/08:
AIG....party?

10/7/08:
"Waxman probes AIG's Post bailout retreat!"

10/8/08:
"Lawmakers steamed over glitzy AIG retreat
after bailout"
Cnn.com

11/10/08:
"AIG Hosts 'Seminar' at Fancy Resort Point Hilton
Squaw Peak Resort in Phoenix, Arizona."
by abcnews.com

12/10/08:
"Oversight Panel Questions Bank Bailout"
by Jim Kuhnhenn

12/15/08:
"Bush Administration created executive pay loophole"
by John Byrne

12/20/08:
"Paulson calls for release of bailout"
washington

12/22/08:
"Bailed out bankers take home $1.6Billion"
lavish salaries, perks, bonuses, insulate top execs from fiscal pain
by Frank Bass
and Rita Beamish

"$1.6Billion went to bailed-out bank execs"
records show bonuses, chauffeurs, health club benefits, financial planning

12/23/08:
"Lawmaker wants rest of bailout fund released"
washington

12/23/08:
"Bailed out banks not disclosing spending"
They aren't legally obligated to say where billions in aid are going
by Matt Apuzzo

1/1/09:
"Bailout not easy to keep track of"
washington

1/1/09:
"Citigroup reins in pay for its top executives"
by Ieva Augstums

1/2/09:
"Merrill lynch, Wachovia officially in new hands"
by Harry R. Weber

1/2/09:
"Wall Street's woes left main street reeling"
by Ellen Simon

1/5/09:
"Inquiry seeks answers on Treasury's bailout choices"
by Binyamin Appelbaum

1/10/09:
"Rubin resigns top Citigroup post"
New York

1/10/09:
"Bush prepares request for rest of bailout funds"
by David Cho and Lori Montgomery/washington

1/12/09:
"Second $350B of bailout sought"
by Andrew Taylor and Philip Elliot

1/13/09:
"Bush requests rest of bailout"
by Jim Kuhnhenn

1/17/09:
"Some Companies Getting Bailed out Have Offshore Tax Shelters"
by Susie Madrak/crooks and liars.com

3/27/09:
"Take your TARP money back"
by Allen Chernoff/cnn.com

3/31/09:
"Bailout Watchdogs: We Want more info"
by Jennifer Liberto and David Goldman/cnn.com

this is the tip of the iceberg...there is so much more..ta-ta..

Soonerman's picture

..they are good at repeating falsehoods loud and often so, the voting public believes it and it's working. That is the general plan by conservatives. The difference between them and the dems is they stay unified across the board. Chickenshit Dems like my congressmen, Dan Boren, need to bail to their side. This guy is more worried about his career than standing up and doing the right on healthcare. So, what if he loses is seat in Oklahoma, do the frakin' right thing!
Secondly, the supposed "librul" media ONLY interviews cons now! Hell, even on CNN, it's just CONs being able to spout their falsehoods and lies. Of course, Obama is going to lose popularity. Every channel and news organization has a Con on it spouting unchallenged garbage.
The conservatives plan for the media is brilliant and it's working. They spent a decade complaining about the un-fairness of the media to the conservative viewpoint, then Faux comes along and is nothing but the Con viewpoint, they have high ratings (little substance though like The Jerry Springer Show) and now, all the other stations are trying to mimic them.

As for the stimilurs, what's it been like 3 months? Isn't that at most 6 paychecks (bi-weekly pay)?
It's sad to see republicans rooting for America to fail.

Soonerman's picture

..that the two parties are in league with each other. Where are the Dems with adds and such? Where are the Dems in the newspapers? Why is this party so chickenshit to take a stand against these morons?They just sit there in silence and let the garbage go unchallenged! Why?
Cons calling a 2 year program a failure after 4 months or 3? And, Zero Dems step to the plate to hit the knuckle ball out of the park.
Another CON misconception (and you can see it in the McCain's words): All taxes paid by the citizens of the US, your state or your town aren't YOURS. All taxpayers are not conservatives!!! I'm liberal and work my ass off everyday. For example, my father had 12 brothers and sisters. Out of the 9 that are still alive, 6 of them still work and have been for the last 30 years. The other 3 are fully retired from professions like nursing, engineering and even the military. ALL OF THEM PAY TAXES AND ALL OF THEM SUPPORTED OBAMA! So, stop this nonsense belief that you are the only ones that pay taxes!

Somebody want to get McAncient a new bottle of Geritol, he needs to go take a good shit for himself and clear out his brain.

I'd love for Jon Stewart to feature this video while taking a watersip, I'm sure Ms. Chetry nearly spit out her coffee on the doublespeak McCain was blathering out on this one.


Democratic Party progressive, Vietnam veteran and proud Union member for 41 years

pope307's picture

As an Arizonan, I cringe every time this guy or his counterpart, Jon Kyl open their mouths. Couldn't even answer the question, "would you put your stimulus money where your mouth is?". Of course not, he's a duplicitous Repub. Embarrassing.

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