John Conyers Won't Vote For a Bill Without a Public Option
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John Conyers draws a line in the sand for his vote on the health care bill.
Conyers: Well, we should be doing single payer, but we've compromised on that and what we're doing now is that we're stepping back. But this cannot be called reform of health care if a public option isn't on it and so this is down to the crunch time...
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With the efforts of men and women like him, common sense may yet prevail over common greed.
John Conyers of HR 676.
HR 676 is the minimum we should accept.
For a second there I thought it said John Cornyn Won't Vote For a Bill Without a Public Option
(chuckle)
BTW, ThinkProgress is reporting that an Arlington, Tx school district that refused to show Obama's speech yesterday because "they didn't want to disrupt the lesson plan" is going to BUS students to hear George Bush deliver a speech next week.
in search of more tattoos, yet another electronic distraction, or obsess over some celebrity or fantasy.
Maybe Texas should secede.
that visit to hear George Bush oughta do it nicely!!
What a bunch of maroons on the Arlington Tx school district board... total idiots! Glad my kid's not in that district...
John often NAILS IT! (one of the few politicians who are not evil IMO)
We need more like him - many more and the sooner the better.
to go round and round and round
i know the "public option" isn't popular with everyone but it seems it would be a good transition. personally, i like many would prefer a single payer system. there needs to be competition to bring cost down. that should be acceptable to the party of "NO". the bottom line is that health care reform is an economic necessity. health care insurance cost will double Again in less than 10 yrs. that's not sustainable.
PO is a compromise itself.
And even it won't happen.
was taken off the table early. i totally understand that. health care cost reform may be the biggest political battle in 70 plus yrs. K-street has 6 lobbyists per representative working them over. nobody is going to like everything about this health care legislation but it has to start somewhere.
the "paying pool" has to include everyone to bring prices down. individualism isn't going work in this issue. i think people underestimate how dirty the corporatists will be to prevent "change".
Change that benefits only them. We are going to get spanked by them for even complaining about their thievery. Count on it.
..Public Option, I guess you can say its not popular with 'everyone'! But mostly, it is a popular concept and a start at reigning in health insurance costs.
How would a $3800.00 a year fine for a family of 4 hit you? Single payer or no bill. I don't know about you, but I'm not done negotiating yet. Or wait, I forgot. I don't count. Neither do you.
... where the Dems don't collapse like a bunch of cheap-ass folding chairs under Rush's ass, and I might believe this kind of talk.
Otherwise, there's been too much overpromise and underdeliver.
Well said.
And it's been true since the primaries began...
how much more Totalitarian can it get?
Medical Slavery
That's why the wingnuts love it.
I'm amazed they know when to wipe their own asses without direct instruction.
in public bathrooms in many southern states. They also hand out little laminated cards next to cash registers in diners and convenience stores down there.
I pay less than $50 per month for health insurance. And so far, for small things, it's been surprisingly decent. But I have serious doubts that if I spend a few days in the ER (potential price tag for non-Americans reading this: $50k+) it's going to cover anything.
That's the good news. The bad news is that they'll move you into a different unit if you have to stay overnight so you could easily still incur that 50K bill.
Whether you use them or not.
Have you ever wondered who actually owns private hospitals? Not doctors. Have you ever wondered who profits from the excessive tests that are mandated by health insurance companies? That is, who owns drug testing labs and hospitals? Who are the stockholders? Who are the CEO's? Any guesses? Not doctors, so don't waste too much time thinking that, but do check it out for yourselves.
used to be a non-profit. Then, about 20 years ago, Medicorp bought it. Big for-profit operation. Last year the voters overwhelmingly approved a bond issue to build a regional nonprofit hospital about 10 minutes away from the for-profit. It will open early next year. Hope it puts the for-profit out of business.
If the community has a nonprofit in the mix,it should always be given preference to the for-profits. If there aren't profits beyond the dreams of greed and avarice, maybe the for profits will wither away.
But like many hospitals we're getting squeezed into insolvency. On the revenue side, we recover ever less due to predatory insurance companies, dwindling medicare payments and ever increasing numbers of uninsured. On the expense side, the cost of pharmaceuticals, medical equipment, software and service vendors continues to skyrocket and we do not get the sweetheart deals that these corporations can offer their partners in profit.
should say tonight.
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2009/090809a.html
"The days of Corporations and their Lobbyists calling all the shots in this country and putting profit before people in a totally unregulated business environment while packing up and moving to China are FINISHED."
But what he'll do is sugar-coat expensive mandates, and bullshit about triggers, and say nothing that could ever be even slightly construed to be critical of the Owners/oligarchs/hegemons.
Remember Van Jones? "ThePrez" is NOT that courageous...
(no surprise there), used by Big Oil. Cheney and his band of thieves again?
hoped they were electing when they voted for Obama...
Jones was an EFFECTIVE social/community organizer, who pissed off the white establishment with cop-watches and jobs for poor, and inner-city folks.
Obama only pissed off those people AFTER he became president...
This endorsement of the need for "effective treatment analysis" was highlighted in an op/ed piece today, and how doctors may not always be the objective voice you think -
http://www.sacbee.com/opinion/story/2168499.html
I had the opportunity to talk to a nurse in a hospital yesterday, and she informed me that the insurance companies mandate/require many of the tests and procedures that are done. I asked why she thought they did that, and she said because they are the shareholders in the companies and hospitals that profit from them. Imagine my surprise.
I heard much the same two weeks ago.
The insurance companies, hospital board of executives, and stockholders require hospitals to buy all kinds of fancy equipment to compete against each other, they then have to justify the cost by excessive usage, and then the same insurance companies (maybe under a different name) insists that doctors over-test, and don't pay for them, and insist that needs reform.
They also turn around and increase payment costs for patient medical insurance, and doctor's malpractice insurance, despite the fact that malpractice payout has been flat for about 15 years.
They create the problem, rake in the cash, and then complain about the problem, so they can prevent the real problems from being addressed.
Good for him. I agree anything short of a public option is NO healthcare reform and only will further side with the rich insurance companies.
..will be if there is no Public Option?
I don't care what Bill Clinton sez' about this (words to the effect that he'll get a health care bill and Obama's numbers go up), I think his numbers will drop. There is a strong public support for the Public Option and in spite of manipulating words by the pollster, support seems to be growing.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/20/new-...
if he compromises even more specifically a "trigger". my demographic will not be pleased. the "trigger" issue will be more delay,deny and dissatisfaction. this health care cost reform needs to get started now. we don't need more damage to our economy. they wanted a global economy well we need to be able to compete in a global economy. NEXT up to implement universal health care is CHINA. china having universal health care will only encourage more "outsourcing".
What if we don't or can't pay them all the money we have borrowed? Did we put up collateral? Last part was a joke. I hope.
overall i think not. why? i believe china may slow down eventually from this white hot economy but i believe they're concentrating on stimulating their own consumerism model amongst their own people. consumerism may not return in this country at recent levels. everyone's garage in this country is already full of useless shxt.
overworked, overstimulated, debt-ridden, distracted, dependent, partially-attentive public, especially the American Suburban Middle Class.
Tough one.
Doo-dah...doo-dah...
I used to think like you do
When I was a self-absorbed 15 year old.
he may miss that too.
a POS option to buy artificially inflated insurance called the "Public Option" and I was weary and insulted when Obama was calling the planned privatization scam "healthcare reform". If this option isn't an option to join Medicare by paying whatever reasonable price it is they want to charge, don't call it a "public" option. Their current idea of a public option is just one more way to get screwed.
HR-676 or nothing.
New video from Robert Reich to educate people about the public option.
YouTube link
Nice way to go Mr Conyers and thanks ahead of time. At least you realize that America is First and foremost, n ow can you get the rest of the EUNICHS in the House to go along with you.
SCREW the SOCIALIZED CORPORATIONS, this fight is about PROFITS, I have NO sympathy for MURDER INC. (the insurance industry) these BOZOS haven't met a dollar they didn't like or a customer they didn't take a liking to for the bottom line as they figure how they can screw them.
The Racist NAzi BoneHeads on the right have NOTHING to say, let them go quietly to the back room and suck dick and take it in the ass like they usually do. Fascist Nazi Clowns.
is president.
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http://healthcare.kucinich.us/petition/
agreed with Conyers. i'd rather see Obama go down in flames than try to pass something w/o a public option. if the weakling Dems can't get a pro-reform bill passed then boot 'em out of office and let the Republicans back in.
i have to keep reminding myself that the public option will not
help.
if you have insurance available to you...whether you can
afford it or not....you do not get to select the public option.
only if your employer provides no insurance or you are not working
and have no insurance do you get to select the public option...
this is from white house spokespersons today
John Conyers will sell out. Forget what he says here, watch what he does. He will vote for whatever is politically best for him. He always has and he always will.
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