Jesse Ventura: You Give Me a Water Board, Dick Cheney and One Hour, and I'll Have Him Confess to the Sharon Tate Murders
By Heather Tuesday May 12, 2009 9:00am
On Larry King Live Jesse Ventura takes on the Bush administration chickenhawks and Rush Limbaugh, and defends Colin Powell. After being waterboarded himself in the SERE program, Ventura makes no bones about it. Waterboarding is torture. I'd like to see Hannity have Ventura on his show to debate the issue.
King's reaction to Ventura's straight talk on how terrible of a President W was is amusing. He's shocked...just shocked I tell you, that anyone would talk so badly about our former President.
KING: Joining us now, Jesse Ventura, former wrestler, former governor of Minnesota, former Navy SEAL, the author of "Don't Start The Revolution Without Me." That book is now out in paper back. Welcome to have you back, Jesse. There you see the cover of the book. How's Obama doing?
JESSE VENTURA, FMR. GOV. OF MINNESOTA: Too early to tell, Larry, really. In my opinion, George Bush is the worst president in my lifetime.
KING: Have an opinion, will you?
VENTURA: I will. I will. And he's the worst president in my lifetime. So Barack Obama, President Obama inherited something I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. You know? Two wars, an economy that's borderline depression. So it's far too early to judge him 100 days in. I think if you have me back about two years from now, I can give you a much better of how he's doing.
KING: He poked fun at himself at the White House correspondents' dinner Saturday night. Let's watch.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Finally, I believe that my next 100 days will be so successful I'll be able to complete them in 72 days. And on the 73rd day, I will rest.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
KING: He's very likable.
VENTURA: Oh, yes.
KING: Right?
VENTURA: Very intelligent, which is a change from our previous president.
KING: All right already with Bush.
VENTURA: No, I live in Mexico now, Larry. So I do a lot of reading. I don't watch much TV. This year's reading, I covered Bush's life. I covered Guantanamo and a few other subjects. And I'm very disturbed about it.
I'm bothered over Guantanamo because it seems we have created our own Hanoi Hilton. We can live with that? I have a problem. I will criticize President Obama on this level; it's a good thing I'm not president because I would prosecute every person that was involved in that torture. I would prosecute the people that did it. I would prosecute the people that ordered it. Because torture is against the law. KING: You were a Navy SEAL.
VENTURA: That's right. I was water boarded, so I know -- at SERE School, Survival Escape Resistance Evasion. It was a required school you had to go to prior to going into the combat zone, which in my era was Vietnam. All of us had to go there. We were all, in essence -- every one of us was water boarded. It is torture.
KING: What was it like?
VENTURA: It's drowning. It gives you the complete sensation that you are drowning. It is no good, because you -- I'll put it to you this way, you give me a water board, Dick Cheney and one hour, and I'll have him confess to the Sharon Tate murders.
KING: Even though you know it's not going to happen -- even though before it, you know you're not going to drown.
VENTURA: You don't know it. If it's -- if it's done wrong, you certainly could drown. You could swallow your tongue. You could do a whole bunch of stuff. If it's it done wrong or -- it's torture, Larry. It's torture.
[.....]
KING: A lot of things to go into, Jesse. What do you make of the Cheney/Limbaugh --
VENTURA: I don't have a lot of respect for Dick Cheney. Here's a guy who got five deferments from the Vietnam War. Clearly, he's a coward. He wouldn't go when it was his time to go. And now he is a chicken hawk. Now he is this big tough guy who wants this hardcore policy. And he's the guy that sanctioned all this torture by calling it enhanced interrogation.
KING: Do you think Rush Limbaugh's a better Republican than Colin Powell?
VENTURA: No, not at all. In fact, if you compare the two, let's look at Colin Powell, who's a war hero, who strapped it on for his country, and didn't run and hide.
KING: Twice.
VENTURA: And then you look at Dick Cheney who ran and hid. I have no respect for Dick Cheney. I have tremendous respect for General Powell.
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period. Let's see how long before they put Jesse on ahother CNN show.
the corporate guys pull up stakes slowly and methodically (Atlas shrugging and releasing the weight of the world from their shoulders), leaving society to the looters, which causes the inevitable slow and painful collapse into anarchy.
Quite possibly the best post of the YEAR!!!
how, after they "pull up stakes" where are all the businesses going to go, Evet? We're their market, you moron
Nice way to play the fear card, though. Read something besides 'Atlas Shrugged', Evet; it was written by an intellectual and emotional infant.
I remember once listening to an interview with Ayn Rand in which the interviewer was perplexed by her claim she remembered forming her core philosophy at age five.
What I found interesting was that it didn't surprise me in the least - we are in fact all familiar with people that espouse Ayn Rand's Philosphy - *every* five year old is sure that they are the center of the universe, that everything they have they are entitled to and earned, that they should be allowed to do whatever they please - I was, you were, I'm sure Ghandi, Buddha, and the Dalai Lama were as well.
Most people grow out of it, find out life is a balance between being self centered and helping others and accepting help from others, and get on with it. For some reason, Ayn Rand is warmly praised for espousing holding on to that ignorance about anything outside yourself.
I keep vaguely hoping someone will write a follow-up to "Atlas Shrugged" where they come back out of the wilderness, and society doesn't want them back - it turns out *they* were the problem all along. Sure it would be intellectually dishonest, but it's not like the original was a miracle of rational thought in the first place.
Jonnan
You aren't the market you used to be. With globalization there are another 6 billion people to sell crap to.
And Gandolf is going to abandon us because Frodo lost his job and has no health care. Then, Atticus Finch is going to come and argue that gay's do have the right to marry. Then, just as the world is about to fall apart, Willy Loman is going to not kill himself because he can just go on welfare!
Oh I'm sorry, am I not making any sense? Ayn Rand wrote fiction you twit, and it was terrible, boring, and drab. Get a clue.
because you've never read good fiction. You probably slept through High School english and copied, having no idea who Atticus Finch or Willy Loman are. Ayn Rand is your god, her drivel your bible, and that's all there is to the world for you. Your a pathetic, selfish, angry little white man.
I wonder what his opinion is of Nancy Pelosi?
I had this on while making dinner, and he was very good.
I'm glad he was on and said all that he did (which was plenty, during the hour). It got out on the "airwaves". It was a pleasure to listen. Americans need to hear this kinda stuff. He covered torture, gay marriage, legalizing weed and all sorts of topics.
I love hearing his candor, how refreshing.
I guess he's got time to bleed now... (need to watch predator again, sigh)
Thanks Jesse.
I'll see you at the Palo Escopeta crossroads.:)
where he said he'd prosecute didn't you? Wanna take a guess at WHY Ventura is withholding an opinion for now?
investigations please.
No, I don't want to guess. But I'm sure you do.
...the best governor Minnesota ever had, but he knows how to call a spade a spade and I'll respect that.
Too bad he's not POTUS, I'm sure he would push for prosecutions.
He was wrong on a lot of things but - and this is remarkable in a human being, much less a politician - he was also willing to learn, to admit he was wrong, and to change his stance accordingly. I really have a tremendous amount of respect for the guy.
And at least until the muppet occupying his old desk certifes Franken, he's the only person who's ever won an election against Norm Coleman, as far as I know.
And at the time he became gov. of MN, he was a phenom--an ex-wrestler who entered the race late, with commercials of him as an action figure beating up the other admittedly wimpy-even-for-politicians candidates, and yes going on TV and admitting he didn't know about something And he won, but governing isn't campaigning. Still, aside from some rock-headed attitudes (Colin Powell is a demi-god) he's usually pretty BS-free, and as he ages is getting wiser too. I hope he does get more chances to sound off.
or a waterboard to get Cheney to admit he was responsible for Lynne slipping over to the sweet life.
I'd love to hear his thoughts on Chuck the f**k Norris.
Thanks Jesse.
Regretfully, Jesse turned out to be too thin-skinned and not actually smart enough to be a great governor. I think the office eventually overwhelmed him, not that this is a surprising outcome: the media, the Democrats, and the Republicans all worked together to ensure he was not elected a second time.
But he certainly hit the nail on the head here. What I REALLY liked was Larry King telling Jesse to stop criticizing Bush. THAT shows you exactly how in-the-bag the media are for the Bush Administration - the media REALLY drank the Kool-Aid for the Republican party. Frankly I wish Jesse had gotten in Larry's face about THAT.
"All right already with Bush" my ass - not nearly enough has been said about Bush... But of course Larry is afraid of the village turning on him...
Here is his Resume:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Ventura
In an 2008 CNN interview he called ALL of the NEOCONS: CHICKEN HAWKS.
He is like Cynthia McKinney they are to good for being HIGH Politicians.
It's not that the media are in the bag for the Bush misadministration per se, it's that the media obey their corporate masters, who will only back a corporate lackey like Bush.
we have created our own Hanoi Hiltons, not hilton
abu ghraib, gitmo, bagram, navy ships in int'l waters, black sites in eastern europe and god knows where else, let's not pretend that our torture program is only conducted at one location
and, again, we have someone who knows what the fuck he's talking about when it comes to torture. of course the msm will 'he said/she said' his comments and give equal say to those that haven't the foggiest idea what the fuck they are talking about. say, like the entire rightwing chickenhawk armchair-general cabal.
"closing" Gitmo just means moving suspects to one of those torture chambers instead.
Yeah but he's not an experienced military veteran, he's a wrestler. Conveniently effective marginalization.
he said he was a Navy Seal who was waterboarded himself as part of the program.
At least, I hope so...
Yes I can read. But to Rush Limbaugh he's a wrestler. So he has no credibility.
SNARK!!
Rush is an entertainer, a comedian, someone who is paid to tell lies for laughs. Talk about no credibility....
"entertainer", but let's not forget that he also is a coward who never served this country in the military, preferring instead referrals that relieved him of the obligation to serve his country. Any loudmouth who talks to the drum beat of patriotic fever who has NOT served his country in the military service, which is pretty much the entire neocon establishment, should not be allowed to a public forum to put down those who did serve their country. these loudmouths have no credibility on the subject, being cowards and patriotic frauds and shirking their duty to their country while advocating sending the soldier sons and daughters of America off to war to potentially die defending the right of loudmouth cowards to speak.
...He is a military veteran, SEAL teams during VietNam war. It was even mentioned in the body of the article we are posting about. He was ALSO a wrestler, film actor, Mayor of Brooklyn Park MN, Gov of MN and now author.
He has made a name for himself in many pursuits.
That's more than I can say for Porky Limbaugh. Porky has successfully avoided serving in the military and is therefore, a hypocritical coward. But his main, his only real accomplishment, if you can call it that, is that he has gotten very rich making noise on screechy bigoted right wing talk radio. That's some big accomplishment!
... is a former Navy SEAL.
So we should at least figure his credentials are at least as valid as those of Erik 'Blackwater' Prince.
Former actor? What about Fred Thompson? Fred Grandy? Arnold Schwarzenegger? Ronald Reagan? Certainly, working as an actor isn't the issue.
I don't think you can marginalize Ventura as easily as you think.
I don't think you can call what Ventura did on the big screen "acting."
He did more acting in the wrestling ring.
Sacrilege!!!! Blaaaaasphemer!!!
tell me this isn't a master thespian at work!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG_Z3ky5lwE&fe...
Arnold Schwarzenegger was in the same gorram movie, so if it sucked, and Jesse Ventura is a lousy actor ...
Does the word "shiny" mean anything to you?
I'm still waiting for Carl Weathers to run for governor somewhere. That would make a Predator trifecta.
Did you miss that he is a veteran, not just a vet but a Navy Seal vet? Did you not read or listen before you wrote?
My son, who was 18 at the time, went to SERE. Everything Ventura said is true, and more.
Here's my question, has anyone died during SERE? The parents might know if their child died during SERE, if they knew they were there, but the military will never come out and announce it, they'd cover it up in a heartbeat.
People have died in Boot Camp, and in military exercises. Has anyone dies during SERE waterboarding??
OK picture time.
Jesse Ventura will be marginalized by the pro torturers as a wrestler and his military sevice will be conveniently brushed aside, and the media and the sheeple will bobble their heads in agreement.
Get it now?
this new fangled intar-web sarcasm there, Trantorian.
See my post at 12:08. Meant to reply here.
Trantor.. Hary Seldon's Trantor... Nice.
Yes the center of the galactic empire, doomed to fail. Hari Seldon predicted this using psychohistory and set up the Foundation to oversee the recovery. Great series of books. And I feel like a Trantorian these days.
It was the first time I saw a man wear a pink boa, I couldn't get the image out of my mind for days.
but I think you would not need an entire hour.
Cheney'd give up Lynn for a witch within the first 10 seconds, call Bush a commie inside a half-minute...
... savor the experience like a fine wine.
Larry King however, can fuck off.
I'm looking forward to that special evening when Larry King simply turns to dust right on camera.
Angel?
fart dust!
no...bunny.
whats magic done run out.
the media...anytime the water boarding is torture issue comes up...makes it sound like the jury is still out, and then claims they are being objective.
It's such bullshit.
What a laughingstock we are at times.
Well only to the rest of the world, and who cares what they think?
i wonder what the relatives of the japanese soldiers executed by the US govt for waterboarding american gis are thinking about this back and forth...
The Japanese know exactly what the USA will do: Hiroshima and Nagasaki are indelibly etched on the common psyche. Notice, they have no nukes.
.... the media do that. It's how they keep it in the news cycle. It's also why they keep the irrelevant debate about whether or not torture "works" alive. It prolongs the discussion. They've got 24 hours a day to fill, ya know.
.... the media do that. It's how they keep it in the news cycle. It's also why they keep the irrelevant debate about whether or not torture "works" alive. It prolongs the discussion. They've got 24 hours a day to fill, ya know.
As if Torture was debatable.
I remember in 2001 when I was saying "How can you debate this!?!" and a few years later "Oh thats how."
I love this man!
So Jesse, tell me. How do you really feel about DICK Cheney? Don't sugar coat it now.
Hahahahahah hahhahhahhhah hah alolololololoolololo Wiping tears of laughter from my eyes because a lot of Right wingnuts hold Ventura up as an expert on a lot of stuff. Didn't Hannity have him on a few months ago to kiss his ass? Hahahahahaaa
Wonder if waterboarding even came up.
But I do love not only Ventura's comments, but his ability to get them in first thing. King asks him about Obama and Ventura replies it's too early to tell but Bush is the worst president in his (and my) lifetime. Great job, Jesse! Just don't expect a return invitation from Faux Noise.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=la5VOD6WRLM
That Cheney waterboarding comment was fabulous.
but his bare hands to make deferrment dickless sing like a bird.
Jesse Ventura > Chuck Norris.
The ironic thing is that Jesse Ventura is too honest and makes too much sense to be in politics. He would be the career politician's nightmare and the private citizen's dream. Unfortunately, people aren't ready for such in-your-face doses of reality from those in political office, so they'll keep voting for the same old political hacks who know how to lie and cheat and steal their way back into office.
This has been my stance from the beginning.
No excuses. Prosecute anyone involved.
The "I was just following orders" didn't work for WWII, it doesn't fit here.
WATERBOARDING IS TORTURE.
Everybody's selling something.
You're selling twaddle.
what king said about waterboarding represents what many in the public think. they think that you know your not going to drown. well first of all you could drown. when a person is water boarded the co2 concentration in your blood rises to levels that activate primal reflexes/involuntary if you will. the person is brought to the perception/actuality of (near) death by drowning. the process of death could happen the next time they are water boarded since a few more seconds could take them to a point of no return due to co2 saturation point. in my opinion, the act/effects of waterboarding are probably further enhancedby very aggressive behavior/treatment and sleep deprivation. the acts probably have a cummulative effect on the pysche to become less logical and more frightened in a serious clinical sense. but each session of water boarding is like a statistical roll of the dice. each session of waterboarding doesn't provide a sure outcome of the next upcoming session of water boarding.
Agreed.
probablyare designed to further enhancedby very aggressive behavior/treatment and sleep deprivation. the actsprobablyare designed to have a cummulative effect on the pysche to become less logical and more frightened in a serious clinical senseI made a couple of changes for you. They didn't have all those doctors and psycologists on board to save the victims. They were making sure the programme was designed for optimal terror.
I like Jesse because he says things without mincing his words, and it's so funny to see Larry Queen squirm... He's secretly praying that Jesse doesn't say anything too real because his soundbite format isn't set up to mine anything of substance.
How totally refreshing to hear a politician talk so openly and frankly. Bravo, Jesse!
I have a few friends who claim they are "Christians" and when asked if they are for torture, their answer is yes. My question to them is "when you see Christ hanging on a cross, you must approve what He went through."
what's these xtian friends' responses to that?
... just the capper. Christ was subjected to a show trial, tortured - flogged, crowned with thorns, and made to drag the instrument of his execution to Golgotha, and then executed as a political point.
All the while, he was being taunted. To make sure he was dead, a soldier drove a spear into his side.
Furthermore, Pontius Pilate understood that he was being asked to sign off on this political exercise and, in good conscience, washed his hands of the matter. Pilate understood that the Pharisees had crossed the line, and wanted no part of their witch-hunt.
and so how does this understanding (or at least knowledge of these facts) make torture of anyone okay? How is it that someone who calls him or her self a Christian (and who thereby believes that Christ is their savior) can condone this treatment of anyone else? That's what I want to understand... what do they say about that?
I was raised Catholic, and the 'torture question' is simple.
It's wrong. It's torture, it's against the law, and it's a war crime.
When I mention the specifics of Christ's torture, it's to bring home the lesson that it's wrong, and to highlight that the Pharisees also used the arguments of expediency, and that Christ was a threat, etc.
and so do millions of other sentient beings. I'm still baffled why the Evangelical Christians seem to be missing it. That's my point...
"I was raised Catholic, and the 'torture question' is simple.
It's wrong. It's torture, it's against the law, and it's a war crime."
I was raised as nothing in particular, other than humna being, and I re-itereate what you say. No "god" required to know it's wrong and illegal.
Just in case anyone reading here wonders about the morality of an atheist. We are human beings. That's all it takes to see.
Romans commonly sped the condemned to their ends in this manner.
Like putting an animal out of its misery...it was considered a mercy
To my understanding, the idea is that Christ was sent by God, the Father, to suffer and die to open heaven to mankind. It's not, to a person of faith, something that you can really approve or disapprove of, because the choice wasn't made by men, but by God through men.
I think if you're going to challenge Christians on torture, you go to Matthew 7:12:
The fact that God's plan was for Christ to be sacrificed - and, remember, Christ wasn't all that keen on the idea, spending the night in Gethsemane to pray - doesn't negate the lesson that torture is wrong.
But that isn't what I'm getting at. What I'm saying is that the question is a non-starter. Christ's suffering was pre-ordained by God, and accepted by Christ. A Christian has to accept this faithfully, not approve or disapprove of it.
But it's a one-off incident. And that's why I pointed to the Golden Rule as the better talking point. Because, as a matter of faith, a Christian must accept and adhere to that, too.
If Christ was God incarnate, then why would he be hesitant about following through with his own plan? That is, the plan to fake his death, because God never died right?
There's your argument, and then there's the argument that Christ was both God and man: That God, the Father, gave Christ the choice to deny his own divinity, to live the uncomplicated life of a man. Christ is tempted in the desert, and prays for guidance at Gethsemane, but in the end accepts to go through the worst pain and humiliation that men of the time could lump on him, all in order to fulfill the contract that God made with Abraham.
Waterboarding causes the heart rate to accelerate incredibly, Cheneys Vaderesque heart would last about 1-2 minutes before conking out. So yeah, he'd be dead by the end of an hour of waterboarding GUARANTEED!
let's see this NOW!
it'd be fun to see it fly out of his chest like a scene from Alien.
Not wishing it of course...just kind of day dreaming. ; o )
and make no bones about it.
I too have had the impression that Ventura tends to be a mite 'full of himself', but I would LOVE to see THAT 'full of himself' up against Cheney, (Mr. "Five Deferment himself), and his widdle gurl...
Now I think I could even get my hubby to watch that! And let Lawrence O'Donnell in on it too! Heck, include Brad Blakeman, and the two/three wingnuts would STILL be out-numbered a million to one!
But Jesse,
How will we know if Cheney is lieing, or not?
talking? If so, he's lying! You can take that to the bank!!
If you want to defend Cheney, just come out and do it.
..then he's pretty much lying, yes/no?
And as it has been pointed out, we don't need torture to get Dick Cheney to lie; if his lips move, he's lying.
...just to say that. Everytime that black hearted cocksucker Cheney says waterboarding isn't torture, I'd like to see him waterboarded.
he'll confess to anything that will make the torture stop
..but with Cheney, all he seems to do is lying so how would you know he was lying? The sarcasm and the semantics aside, I think Mr. Ventura did make good points in that way he has to make points.
When detained it would be viewed as actionable intelligence.
From Star Trek:
James T. Kirk: "Norman, everything Harry Mudd says is a lie."
Harry Mudd: "Norman, I'm lying to you."
Norman's meltdown proceeds.
where was Cheney and what was he doing the night of August 9, 1969???
Inquiring minds want to know . . .
After all, he was a draft dodger, he has proven to be a bloodthirsty torturer . . . who knows what evil lurks in the heart of Dick?
Of course, Cheney was probably referencing actual pigs...
doesn't he seem honest? credible? might not agree with everything he says (e.g. 9/11 truth) but I sure as hell trust him.
what I don't understand, is how Jesse is so likeable here but he supports Ron Paul, Tea Parties and limited government -- all three treasonous (and racist) acts here...
What the hell is your problem? Ventura simply deserves credit for being honest...that doesn't mean that I agree with all of his positions. Don't be obtuse.
You must be joking. How is it treasonous to want lower taxes. Ventura has never publicly commented that he wants there to be an armed overthrow of the US Government. What's treasonous about limited government? I'm of the opinion that alot of our fiscal issues are because of wasteful federal spending programs. You may not like Ron Paul, but we all have the right to support any candidate that we feel represents our views best. I don't think any of these are treasonous.
Freedom isn't free...
So STFU and pay your farking taxes, dillweed!
Seriously...thanks for reminding me that we can do what ever we want to maintain our freedom. But when it comes to the freedom of others, screw them right. You're a genius, thank you for your insight.
He means treasonous on this website. On this website, all taxes are patriotic.
He means treasonous on this website. On this website, all taxes are patriotic.
for some of us it's not black or white/clear divide. ventura may be "likeable" because he seems to be truthful and outspoken. something that's not often done or witnessed in international media. i personally don't dislike someone because they may disagree with me ideas/opinions/issues. that's
a social strategy that has been used for the last 10-20 yrs. there has to be compromise in a democracy.
i don't agree with ron paul on everything but he certainly has some ideas that have similiar elements of the ideas/philosophy i believe in. i could appreciate efficient government what some call
"limited government" and the TEA parties speak for themselves. no one likes TAXes it's the necessary evil. i don't even know what to say about your '(and racists)' statement. i don't know for sure i could be mistaken and very surprised to see/hear clear cut evidence that rep.paul is a racist.
one hell of a lot of people publish racist crap in a newsletter that has his name on it. If he isn't a racist, then he's a lousy manager. And he hasn't managed to disassociate himself from a lot of racists that cling to his cause. Many of whom have been quite close to him, as above.
Taxes that aren't wasted aren't evil, and they are entirely necessary to the common good. And wasted tax money isn't necessary and are entirely evil.
Does this mean we can stop pissing away money on a military that would make Hitler wet-dream (because being able to blow up the enemy hiding in their own countries, the cowards, for the 50th or 60th time is sooooo important, isn't it?) and start spending our money on education, alternative energy and college scholarships for kids that need it and rebuilding post-Katrina gulf coast areas?
http://64.203.107.114/histdocs/crockett_not_y...
Not yours to give by Davey Crockett.
We get it--you don't like paying taxes. You whine about it at every opportunity. Now knock it the fuck off, all right?
there are some media talking heads that are trying to tell us when we can stop blaming BUSH only after obama has been in office for 100 plus days. i hear it/see it in the media and on this site. that's ridiculous and i see ventura has a similiar opinion. BUSH and the (r) dominated congress did a lot of damage. it's way too soon to have an reasonable opinion regarding obama governing/policies/outcomes. it's interesting to listen to people that didn't want obama. they are influenced by the agenda by the (r)party and wallStreet to try to dilute/blur the BUSH legacy. i give ventura credit for saying some things about
BUSH. i don't believe he gives a damn if he's asked to come on again or not. actually because he doesn't give a damn he probably will asked on again.
but he does speak his mind. He is right on prosecutions. No one should be exempt from that. Top to bottom. Torture is torture and everyone knows torture when they see it.
I noticed that he asked some loaded questions trying to put BushCo, and Cheney is a positive light.
"Do you think Rush Limbaugh's a better Republican than Colin Powell?"
What kind of loaded question is that? And right out of the blue, no less.
Also, feeble attempt to get off the subject of Bush, and his condescending attitude when Ventura gave his opinion were very telling.
King is a sham. No wonder I stopped watching him a long, long time ago.
..................old, man really old, old, in his support for BUSHCRIMEFAMILY, over the hill..........he'll be off the networks soon, 'cause the 1%ers drank the love-bush kool-aid, and now have a tummy ache wawaaa........... Old Establishment is what Larry King is. I've never been a fan of his. He is pro-status quo in every way, and his trying to tone down Jesse Ventura, is just the latest in a long line of 'support' for BUSHCRIMEFAMILY. Probably this old f**k has 'his' $$$$$$$$ in Petroleum/Military/Industrial/Media investments and wants to 'protect' his investments.
Oh I can't WAIT until Rushbo spews his poisonous vitriol against Jesse Ventura for speaking his mind!
This is going to be good.. Rush goes up against Jesse Ventura in the ring!
Let's get ready to RUMBLE!!
i tell ya, it was refreshing to hear ventura on king last night. i caught the last fifteen minutes of it, but damn, he was sounding like his own man and a liberal at heart. he's all for legalizing drugs and his arguments for this were sound. excuse me, but wasn't ventura a staunch conservative republican. I'm sure they now are not embracing what he had to say. he's going the way of our own governor, arnold. it's only a matter of time before people of quality see though the guise of saying one thing and doing another that the republican party now stands for. Now, will someone please talk with clint eastwood. How can a man direct such poignant films
involving the human experience and still believe in the crap that the last admin put out. if any of my facts are incorrect on this i attribute it to my age. 65
He ran as a third party candidate and he beat Norm Coleman and Hubert Humphrey's son Skip. He's more of a libertarian type. No conservative republican would call religion a crutch for weak people.
I guess I can be too dry sometimes. Especially if they aren't familiar. So it goes.
they're the ones that need to update their sense of humors...senses of humor...what IS the proper grammar here?
Driving thru the South recently I heard a man/woman radio duo explain that the difference between their show and the other conservative talk shows is that they come from a Christian perspective...and then they both defended waterboarding using the same lame talking points.
It's not torture. It is an enhanced baptism. Give me one hour and waterboard and I'll get the Truth out of them Goddman Muslims. They'll be crying out for Jesus Christ, their personal saviour!
Amen. PTL!
... the human coat hanger/praying mantis who's been a longtime bootlicker of the Bush Crime Family.
He's one of the Worst. People. Ever.
... Professor Wogglebug's clock. And Cheney's, too.
Good job, Jesse.
I thought LK was a renaissance man. I can barely stomach him now. He panders to everyone. One night if a republican is on he kisses their ass and turns around and does the same thing with the dems. I know that they are supposed to remain impartial but asking Ventura to get off the Bush shit showed me what he's made of. I wish Ventura would run for president..and not go on LK,the little weasel.
Yes a combat vet. With combat experience and TRAINED by Americas elite, don't worry the American Traitors will swift boat him.
GO Jesse GO you are expressing my feelings to thje letter.
Jessie hits the nail on the head again! He says it the way it is, and doesn't sugar coat it. This guy needs to run for prez down the road.
when i was young. it was terrifying. i made sure to learn how to swim and eventually became scuba certified after that. drowning is torture. no doubt in my mind. it's not fun gaspng for air while your throat chokes, your lungs fill with fluid and your mind panics and begins to pass out.
ventura has it exactly right.
I'm a scuba diver who knows the panicky feeling of having a faulty regulator. You breathe in and get only water. Not fun.
The hell with the murderers Cheney, Bush and their rotten ilk.
He knows what he's talking about and he knows how bad the bush/cheney administration was and doesn't mince words about it or try to gloss over it.
While he was still governor. He was wearing jeans, no security around and just talking and being nice to anyone who would approach him. I like him a lot.
He knows 9/11 was not a bunch of teens with boxcutters on planes. That's makes him more respectable than most any politician out there. It takes 5 minutes to figure it out if you look and most no one will spend the 5 minutes.
We just wanna make sure we pick either authoriarian fascist (republicans) or fascist light (democrats). Do what the boob toob says.
I am almost offended that basic physics cannot be done by the majority of humans out there, nor can basic research.
But Ventura is honest and not a coward.
The past eight years have been filled with cowards and liars. Bush/chenny both cowards and liars along with everyone that was part of their administration.
I agree with Jessie everyone involved in torture should be prosecuted! The guy's that did it the people that told them to do it. The lawyers that made shit up and twisted words for bush/chenny the whold damned bunch should stand trial from the top to the bottom.
It is utter bullshit to say that some of the CIA should get immunity! NO! Hell NO! Do you want these people living next door to you? Do you want someone that is willing to torture someone they don't know for no good reason, to be aroung your children?
If they would do these things to someone else's kids why would they not do it to yours?
If you take a minute and think about it everyone is someone's child.
Quit being cowards and liars republicans and join the human race again!
I'm not a Ventura fan, but he did a hell of a job here.
Next...Sean Hannity.
Couldn't have said it any better, AMEN!
I'd like to see Jesse be the one to Waterboard Hannity "For Charity".
The Inquisition used to take the accused to the torture chamber and show them the equipment. Most would recant their heresy or confess to their alleged crimes on the spot.
Cheney, Hannity or any of these right-wing 'tough guys' would be shitting his pants and confessing to being the shooter on the grassy knoll long before he even got his hair wet.
In Vietnam it was his job to cover up war crimes like massacres (My Lai).
In Gulf War I, he took part in the slaughter of innocent civilians and retreating Iraqi soldiers for no military purpose, ie massacres.
I voted for him (though only because the other candidates were mediocrities and I didn't think he had a chance). I didn't care for him as a governor overall, though he did some really good stuff. The light rail line I ride a few times a week to work is largely due to him. However, I give him credit for always speaking his mind, a rare trait in a politician.
HORRAY!!!! He had the platform, and he made the most out of it by clearing up this smoke screen of "it's not torture" bull shit. Prior to watching this clip, I watched the pathetic stinker on Good Morning joe....and that spawn of Satan, cheney's bitch daughter needs her ass kicked...and HARD!!
she and her old man are doing all they can to spread this doubt about whether it was torture or not, whether it matters so long as we got vital information, and whether the information we got was accurate or couldn't have been gotten some other way.
ABSOLUTE BULL SHIT!!! Throw it in the air...and hope it sticks. Nonsense. I want this f*cker to pay!! he needs to be chased down the street with pitchforks at his ass. him and all the disgusting crime family that were involved. ALL OF THEM!!
And he uses it too. He totally crushes the stereotype of a pro wrestler as a dumb lug. he showed americans that a 3rd party is not only viable, but necessary. and now he's saying this about waterboarding.....
as far as cheney and waterboarding, what he says goes even deeper. what he's saying is that he can waterboard someone until they say whatever he wants, even if its a complete lie. what does that say about the veracity of information obtained through torture, as opposed to a calculated application of stockholm syndrome by offering a prisoner food, medicine, and safety?
I love the guy!
As for LK, he can just go.
I think we just found our next Supreme Court Justice.
a: larry king trying to poo-poo every bad thing ventura was saying about the former president
2: the part of the interview not in the above clip, ventura saying a seal motto ?? "admit nothing, deny everything, make counter accusations", if that isn't a buush doctrine, i don't know what is
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