GOP Listening Tour Gives Jeb Bush Some Answers: Who Needs High School or College When You Can Listen to Rush Limbaugh
By Heather Sunday May 03, 2009 11:00am
From the GOP's National Council for a New America town hall meeting with Jeb Bush, Eric Cantor and Mitt Romney. The questioner has obviously been listening to too much Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity. He managed to cram in almost every right wing anti-Obama talking point that's out there in a matter of just a minute or so. He also apparently thinks that listening to right wing radio is a substitute for...going to school.
Q: I have another question on education and kind of to disagree with what you said Gov. Bush. I really think the past is important and I think we do emphasize science and math over liberal arts like history and I'm looking at Barack Obama who is basically the hippie flower child of Saul Alinsky who's a long dead hippie. And I guess like, yes math and science are important but what does it matter if you have highly productive people who, because they have no grasp of what's happened in the past, they're willing to let people who are going to create a marginal tax rate of 60 or 70%, I mean they're, is it surprising that Barack Obama was elected and he goes around apologizing in every country he goes to, when people are spoon fed years in high school and college of anti-American history? I mean quite honestly I think people learn more from listening to Rush Limbaugh's show than they do in high school and college. And do you have a response?
Bush: Well the context that I was talking about the past was really candidates running for office that have a kind of a nostalgic view of the world. That's a perilous thing and I think to President Obama, candidate Obama's credit he waged a 2008 campaign that was relevant for people's aspirations whether you agree with him or not. It was not a look back. It was a look forward and so our ideas need to be forward looking and relevant. I felt like there was a lot of nostalgia for the good old days in the messaging and, you know, it's great, it doesn't draw people towards your cause.
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I do agree with you that just as it's important to have a civil debate, a dialog about issues, it's okay to talk about history as well and in fact if you haven't read the book about the times that are going on now the best book to read about what's happening now is probably The Forgotten Man by Amity Shlaes which describes how the government tried to deal with the Depression. And to get to this point of tinkering and challenging and changing and creating so much uncertainty that it created a void that only government could fill and the private sector froze in place and it prolonged the Depression. And I think there is a lesson in history in that regard.
I love how these history revisionists always want to have a "civil" debate about topics where they're just dead wrong.
Here's how CNN reported in this: Republicans kick off campaign to shine party image.
Three prominent GOP leaders kicked off a campaign Saturday to reshape their party's image, gathering at a restaurant in northern Virginia for the first of a series of town hall meetings.
The goal of the initiative, called the National Council for a New America, is to connect Republican leaders with voters across the country to help get the party's electoral fortunes back on track.
"Certainly our party has taken its licks the last few cycles, but that's why we're here," House Minority Whip Eric Cantor said Saturday. "The reality is, the prescriptions coming out of Washington right now are not reflective of the mainstream of this country."
Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush said it's time for Republicans "to listen a little bit, learn a little bit." He advised Republicans to work on the party's message and "not be so nostalgic."
"I would say you can't beat something with nothing. The other side has something. I don't like it, but they have it," said Bush, who praised President Obama's tactical approach to politics and commended his 2008 campaign as "forward-looking."
They forgot to mention the guy who said we could learn more from listening to Rush Limbaugh than we could in high school and college being told to read Amity Shlaes by Gov. Bush. I wonder how the press would have handled this had the shoes been reversed. Let's say this was a Democratic town hall. And let's say the questioner said that you could learn more by listening to Air America than you could by going to high school and college. Then the response does not challenge or address at all the questioners statement and instead is to go read Noam Chomsky to learn more about history. Does anyone else here think that if that happened they'd have been cutting in with "Breaking News!!!!". Democrats say you can learn more by listening to Air America than you can in school!!! Flashing headlines. Days on end of asking every Democrat they can get on the air if they agree with what the person said.
A Republican says something this ridiculous about Rush Limbaugh and they aren't challenged by our ex-President's brother...not a peep. Didn't even mention it in their article on line.
As to Bush's history revisionism in recommending Amity Shlaes, from Oliver Willis: Amity Shlaes “The Forgotten Man” Is A Farce.
Johnathan Chait nails it
Now here is the extremely strange thing about The Forgotten Man: it does not really argue that the New Deal failed. In fact, Shlaes does not make any actual argument at all, though she does venture some bold claims, which she both fails to substantiate and contradicts elsewhere. Reviewing her book in The New York Times, David Leonhardt noted that Shlaes makes her arguments ‘mostly by implication.’ This is putting it kindly. Shlaes introduces the book by asserting her thesis, but she barely even tries to demonstrate it. Instead she chooses to fill nearly four hundred pages with stories that mostly go nowhere. The experience of reading The Forgotten Man is more like talking to an old person who lived through the Depression than it is like reading an actual history of the Depression. Major events get cursory treatment while minor characters, such as an idiosyncratic black preacher or the founder of Alcoholics Anonymous, receive lengthy portraits. Having been prepared for a revisionist argument against the New Deal, I kept wondering if I had picked up the wrong book.
Here you have it folks. The "new" face of the Republican party. Jeb Bush, Eric Cantor and Mittens having town halls with ditto heads to get their ideas on how to save the party. Good luck with that guys. The audience clapped after the ditto head asked his question. Reminds me of those book burners at the tea bag parties. I'm sure we're going to have many more of these moments to come as they continue this tour and come face to face with the extremists in their party attending them. Pass the popcorn folks.
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And that would pretty much be who actually takes them seriously these days:
The High school dropouts and college failures that listen to Rush.
"I mean quite honestly I think people learn more from listening to Rush Limbaugh's show than they do in high school and college."
Okay, this remark could not have come from even a group of "special ed" kids. Even the mentally challenged and permanently brain damaged folks tend to have better sense than the goopers that seem to have their tongues all permanently stuck to Rush's fat ass.
Maybe Rush should issue a degree in Limbaughlogy for his long term listeners.
I wonder how that would look on a job resume?
It would get 'em a job at FalseNews.
At least he was clever enough to get somebody to cover his shift at the pizza place in a strip mall in Virginia where he works...
The Repuke base doesn't even try and hide it; they are proud to be uneducated.
I just looked it up on Conservapedia!
I prefer Dickipedia.
http://www.dickipedia.org/dick.php?title=Main...
...that when you get educated in America you actually become brainwashed / programmed and UNeducated. So these imbeciles are PROUD to not have an education - it keeps them lifelong believers of wingnut idiocy the same way that people that start to doubt Christianity are herded back up when they are told "It's true; it's in the bible and everything in the bible is true"
Education might actually mean thinking for yourself and questioning authority instead of the Limpballs way, which is to swallow authority whole (ewww, awful image, esp. in light of Limpy) and not question anything the great GOP-Limpballs bunch decrees. And of course they hate liberal universities because the professors don't kowtow to the wingnut philosophy.
As for civil debate, that does not dovetail with Limpballs AT ALL. He doesn't debate, just steamrolls over the other person.
To meet the guy that was speaking. What an idiot! But all republicans are idiots, liars and morons!
They will be the ones running for office in ten-twenty years time. No only will we "meet" them, they'll be in charge of policy decisions. (C&L has a long lifespan ahead of it).
His sentence construction and grammar were interesting.
You've probably met him as he handed you your order from the drive-through window at your local fast food establishment.
It's the Republican youth that i find the most disgusting. Limbaugh will be proud.
Thankfully, quite a bit of the statistics I've read suggest Generation Y (at 27 years old, I'm an elder stateswoman of Gen Y) is one of the more Democratic and liberal to come along in a while, suggesting Epic Failure Republican Youth are a minority.
Jeb Bush on education....LMFAO! 4 words....No Child Left Behind......he made such a mess of the FL education system it is now more of a joke then ever before. BTW that dork asking the question, should spend a little more time learning history (not fox news history) and a little less time listening to Rush Limbaugh.
Throw out every under performing student at 16 at the first sign of the student having learning difficulties so you can keep your funding
Looks like the "Project for a New American Century" is trying to rebrand itself.
Same scumbags, bright new packaging.
Did they forget that it was their party that suggested that anybody who disagreed with them during the "eight years of darkness" that was the Bush Administration was unpatriotic, un-American, or supporting terrorists?
They must be counting upon Americans to have really short memories.
If I were Jeb, I'd consider changing my last name.
Clampett might be a nice fit, but it's already taken.
It's JED Clampett. Close, but no cigar.
Damn. Been awhile since I've seen The Beverly Hillbillies. Guess I'm gonna have go buy the boxsets and spend a weekend watching them.
Sigh...I have no life.
They run the Hillbillies every weekday around 6pm.
Yeah but he's still a hillbilly.
You could learn a lot listening to Rush Limbaugh... I totally agree with that. Only, not in the way the moron who was asking it meant. In fact, the polar opposite. Every single syllable that comes out of that Pig's mouth is pretty much the inverted opposite of truth or anything coming any where NEAR reality.
So, yeah, you can learn alot listening to Rush. Just like you can learn a lot about addiction by watching a crackhead smoke crack for a day. Or you can learn a lot about relationships and love by watching a husband beat his wife.
Is the word NO what they learn listening to Rush?
...could have gotten a LOT of confessions from the Guantanamo detainees if they'd forced them to listen to Rush Limbaugh 24/7...
Has he no shame no decency to show a bush face in public after what his brother put this country through????????
Shame... Bush family?
You need to ask?
I wouldn't be surprised if we start to see more and more of Jeb in the future. The GOP is leaderless right now and it might just be his time to shine. I mean if you were a gooper and you were given the choice between Sarah Palin and Jeb Bush, who would you pick? I'm just glad I'm not a gooper.
Obama
Gooper means backwards so they'll choose Palin - the dumber of the two.
no one will vote for a bush ever again
let him go around the country speweing his revisionist bs
he will just make sure that the repug party will be dead in 4 years
...I believe you and your entire fucked up family should go on a tour of every city and town in America to apologize for the eight years of abject hell that that wicked, lazy, sad ass excuse for an older brother you { Edited. SM} unleashed upon our nation.
There is no need to apologize, just set up the citizen gauntlet, pass out the paddles, and send them through one at a time............I know that I would like to have a few wacks at those elitist assholes!
It's going to be a very COLD day in Hell before Fratellino occupies the White House and I'm sure he knows it too.
I can't help but remember Governor Jeb's "intelligent" response to Hurricane Katrina. "It's a scary, scary thing".
Katrina just up and blew away all his flight school students.
...listening to the cyst butt, sex offending junkie divisive racist Limbaugh than high school instructors or college professors is truly a lost soul...he will be ridiculed anywhere, anytime he repeats stupid shit like that.
I thought the NSA was centralized.
I'd like to have a debate with them but they are just to emotional. They need to take the emotion out of their arguments.
As terrifying as the drooler with the question is the underlying take away is even scarier:
Here comes Jeb.
[**shiver up spine**]
we really do have to improve on education. If that's what the future of the republican party is, we shouldn't have too much to worry about.
these people are so desperate for some attention...some identity. there's NO leadership because the
republican party has moved so far to the RIGHT. they have a all or none mentality. look at how they represent the handling of "the depression" rarely do i hear anything positive about moves made by
roosevelt. only suggesting/talking about the negatives is NOT rational to a person like myself. rarely is anything in politics/lawmaking black and white. that's exactly why education is important to have the ability to understand/comprehend/communicate/cross check reference to support an opinion. i was listening to NPR. they were talking about education. in the state of NV the high school graduation percentage is around 44-45%. is that to make sure there are plenty of people that HAVE to take low paying jobs? the republican party is lost and out of favor. watch the strategy to get back into the game. the(r) are going to tell us when to start NOT blaming the BUSH administration for his legacy he left us. i see this coming in bigger doses: the word conservative,NOT BUSHES fault any longer and socialism. even though they doubled the size of government/deficit during BUSH years.
They have turned into the political equivalent of a bunch of shambling zombies, crying out for Obama's head.
No brains, no life left, just a stream of decomposing undead bodies, dropping limbs, led by Rush Limbaugh himself.
Then the bush brothers must all have IQs below freezing.
Celsius!
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Q U E S T I O N:
Why are (R)epublicans always searching for a "NEW" America?
Is it that they don't like the "OLD" America?
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Since the old republicans are such failures, they need new republicans who happen to be identical in every way to old republicans.
They just do not like Americans. They want Joe Sixpack's vote and Betty Winebox's vote but they would not help them if their hair was on fire. So the question is; Why do Republicans hate America and Americans?
In all my years, I've yet to have a serious discussion or debate with a republican voter on the facts. Whenever they realize they've lost the argument they'll pull out something like.. "it doesn't really matter.. both parties are crooked" There is about a dozen meally mouthed statements designed to stifle intelligent discussion.
most (r) i meet are black and white thinkers. maybe it's the wiring but more often than NOT they don't want a back and forth dicussion that requires grey matter grey area spectrum of thinking. again, many of them are all or nothing mentality. they don't care if your correct. why? because they have identified with a "culture club". they don't/won't go against their identity....their culture club. that's why i don't like wedge issues. i don't think obama does either. he's more of a technocrat...get things done. unfortunately, some people don't want to get things done. they don't want change. even if it's their best interest. i disagree both parties are crooked......i think both parties have crooked people in them and one has more in my opinion. obama is trying to bring "the people" back into the process but many don't see it.
Again you are right on.
Man do I fucking haate that
education system as governor, Limpballs has effectively become (one of) the de facto schoolteachers for many of Florida's construction- other tradesworkers during his time slot.
How did we end up with the biggest family moron in the WH for eight years? I'm not saying I agree with anything this dolt says, but I was shocked that he didn't sound like his bone headed brother.
As for this young idiot that spoke first....God help us all. Are there really people that f*cking stupid that they believe limpballs could teach you anything but how to be a complete biggoted ass hole?
Proof in the pudding when jebbie takes that statement, agrees, and moves on with his rambling.
Jesus, these repukes are scary.
he's definitely the smartest of these cretins, there were many that thought Jeb was on the short list for Prez, but goofy beat him to the punch.
Yeah, there really are people as stupid as this young man. They don't want to invest the time, energy or money in acquiring an education of any kind and need to justify their lack. They are usually palpably angry because they are in a lowly, dead-end job and are quite sure they should be leading the parade. Many feel they've been denied THE AMERICAN DREAM, however, most are too lazy to get up off their fat, unproductive asses to acquire any skills or education. It's convenient to blame their problems on immigrants, liberals, etc. rather than look inward.
a fucking idiot when you try to dis education. yeah that learning and knowledge stuff is for bleeeding heart pussies. it's a good thing god made computers grow on trees so i could write this. all those brainiac "scientists" with their stupid "inventions" that they say they created through the accumulation of their so called "knowledge" aren't fooling anyone. i gotta go, my cell phone that sends messages through sapce (god bless those hard working cell phone farmers) is ringing.
Yeah if the Repubs had their way, we'd still be living in caves wearing robes and sandals hunting for our own food and dragging our women by the hair.
Oh wait, sounds like Tennessee!
I was forced into one history class in college and it was very much anti-american. Something about how we crush and destroy anyone fighting our big business, whether in-country or out.
Of course it happened to be true, but that's no excuse. My feelings were hurt.
almost oooops
I saw that. Nice save though, Woody.
;)
Not W.
He'll be in the race in '12...
By then, the Pukes and the lap-dog press will have sold him as a "RETURN" to old-fashioned values...
I'd bet my crisis-ravaged, declining, miniscule retirement accounts...
can't wait for Jeb to get into office as president.
****
The mind boggles.
"tending or disposed to maintain existing views, conditions, or institutions"
Why would Jeb want to "look forward"? That's a Pinko Commie Liberal view.
I wasn't aware that history science and math were liberal arts
The way faux news tries to rewrite history, it should be concidered a conservative art.
Yeah the radical left wing agenda of multi-national conglomerate publishers I learned from which credited Columbus as discovering America, glossed over the genocide of native Americans, somehow forgetting the huge role of labor unions in the formation of American industry and touted people like Rockefeller, JP Morgan, Ford and Hearst and innovators and entrepreneurs. God damn hippy propaganda!!
ditto
sidenote:
it is kind of scary that they think the history taught in high school is too liberal.
Um Jeb, um, could you comment um, on the um, umness of the GOP? Um, I know you are, um, not as smart as your, um, brother; but, um, could you make me feel smarter than I am since I didn't go to high school or college but I listen to um Rush every day. Um thanks.
One more example of exactly why repigs are a non evolving species.
Oh PLEASE can we sneak someone in one of these town hall meetings?
A double agent.
"Umm, I would like to address my question to all three of youse. I would like to know what the Republicans plan to do to stop the Democrats from constantly talking about and doing stuff for education? I don't really understand why democrats should like, take our tax money and make education available to everyone when clearly not everyone needs or wants it.
And why do they tax us to make college so-called affordable when the vast majority of Americans don't need college. I mean, we're not going to the moon anymore, we did that already. So why should we be sending people to college when really they just need to listen to Rush and Hannity and Bill for a higher education? You'll learn everything you need to know from these guys so could you please address Democrats taxing people for education when you can get a free education on the radio for every day?
Huh?"
Well let me answer that sir. Barak Hussein Obama is a socialist and want to take your money and my money and give it to all his friends to throw away on books and schools and elitist things like that there. As you have shown people have no need to go to collage or even high school. The economy would do much better if our god fearing citizens could go to work as soon as they can to help their families buy things like food. All those years that the Obama socialists want our kids to waste in schools are years that they could be contributing to the Republican Party. If by chance some of these kids are lucky enough to be smarter than others they could go into the armed services and help this country take care of the liberal threat that we are experiencing now. So yeah, fuck education. heh
God bless America, graytest ****ry in the wirld!
So the Republicans are trying to remake themselves by drumming up the same crap that threw them out of power. What's even funnier is they're trying to distance themselves from Bush II and the past eight years by using a...wait for it...A BUSH? What makes them think that people will react differently to Jeb, he's still a Bush. These people are morons!
EVERYTHING this moron says CAME from Rush Limbaugh - FACTS OPTIONAL.
hippie
flower child
Saul Alinsky
marginal tax rate of 60 or 70%
apologizing in every country he goes to
spoon fed years in high school and college of anti-American history
ALL REGURGITATED RADIO WINGNUT NONSENSE.
Saul Alinsky
That just cracks me up. That anyone gives a rat's ass about Saul Alinksy or even wants to be bothered looking him up to find out WTF he is.
Rush Limbaugh is the chief Ponzi guy, I'm telling you. Clear Channel gives him $400M then makes $300M worth of corporate cuts to pay for him and they're still in the red.
And he's sitting there atop that $400M Ponzi mountain hunched over in his chair, like Snoopy playing vulture, and makes he all kinds of allusions to people who don't matter. And he gets pimply schoolboys and adults who never really grew up to to follow his every word like he's speaking code especially to them. "Saul Alinsky marginal tax rates entrepreneurs punish America Barak Obama socialism."
Next Clear Channel will be selling special Rush Decoder Rings so his fans know WTF he's talking about.
He sits atop that $400M cash mountain and he is a sad fat bitter man who cannot satiate himself with either food or drugs because he loves nobody and he has nobody who loves him..
What's even funnier is they're trying to distance themselves from Bush II and the past eight years by using a...wait for it...A BUSH?
Not just a Bush, but an even older-looking than before Jeb Bush. A more portly, more middle-aged, grayer, slower Jeb Bush.
Oh yeah babe, they're gonna be bringing' in those new young voters who are looking for the next Barbara Bush look-alike.
People DO learn more by listening to Rush. Of course, you have to keep in mind that that "more" is pure bullshit, but they learn it, alright.
What that "kid" said sounded like disordered thinking from a schizoid personality. I mean seriously, it made no sense at all, it was just a string of secret Rush Decoder words.
That's the Republican Party today.
That party of senseless, disordered, schizoid thinking.
to be our next "saviour."
They will lay down for a few years, in true parasite fashion. They will wait until we have washed down most of the fuckups his brother left us with. And then by the time we start to recover... Jeb will be ready and voila we will have a brand new Bush ready to get the reins of government and start sucking us dry like the family of parasites they are.
They will suck enough to leave us with some vital signs, leave us to rebuild and recover. And then... right on clue I expect the twins to be ready to carry the family tradition.
These assholes know exactly the kind of diminutive short term memories of the American public.
These assholes know exactly the kind of diminutive short term memories of the American public.
But can't forget what his brother wrought. There ain't no way the public will ever be able to forget that asahole.
Yeah, I know. asahole. I meant it that way.
I lost all interest in what Jebbie was saying after I noticed the menu behind him. I was waiting for a telephone number I could use to order over...
Palin:Dead Turkeys & Bears::Jebmo:Strip Mall Deli?
(Forgive me, please, if I have that syntax backward.)
Rush = Fail
Rush's listeners = Epic Fail
Many years ago, before I was an enlightened liberal and denounced the forces of darkness and evil, I too use to listen to Rush.
What I found out over time was what I found out about ALL conservatives eventually. They talk a good game, some of them even sound intelligent on the surface, but, THEY ARE TOTALLY FULL OF SHIT!
Eventually you have to say to yourself, who am I gonna believe? Rush, Bush, or my own lying eyes?
As someone once said: "although all conservatives are not stupid people, most stupid people are conservatives!"
We need to catch these guys with a 'mic on' thing: you know, sipping martinis afterward, snorting coke, laughing about what moronic schmucks Rush listeners are. Because, I'm sure they do just that, at their country clubs, bragging about their riches.
Quite honestly, what planet do these people live on? I've never seen anything like it.
when you've got a 3 time looser at marriage, drug addicted, obese, draft dodger and right wing carnival barker to tell you what to think.
Who needs facts and science when you can create your own reality.
"I mean quite honestly I think people learn more from listening to Rush Limbaugh's show than they do in high school and college."
I can tell you right now, that you're not likely to learn how to keep up an oxycontin habit from a high school teacher or college professor.
Listen to Bush 41 (father) and his brother Jeb speak English.
further proof that W 43 was an act, acting Texan, playing dumb and fooling everyone.
Listen to how Jeb speaks English... this is W's Brother?
than I can from reading books written by journalists, scientists, or academics, but it doesn't mean that my newfound knowledge will better equip me to accurately evaluate the world around me.
jeb bush is a fairly smart guy and is likely thinking that these guys are absolutely nuts while also pondering on how to use them to his own advantage.
What in the Wide-Wide-Wide World Of Sports was Ole Jeb there attempting to poke at?
As for the guys question on learning more from listening to Rush. Well, Maybe for a conservative to learn. Conservative were always looking at everyone elses answers to write as theirs.
Jeb and Joe the Plumber should go on tour.
What's the saying, "This is a country where a person can make a million dollars/year telling people who make $20,000/year that the people who make $40,000/year are their oppressors." America in a nutshell, man.
I'm not sure what the student meant when he said Anti-America history; does he meant history that didn't paint America is a good light or perhaps history that relentlessly criticize and attack America?
Do a significant population of Americans lack the ability to perceive from more than one point of view? So maybe this would explain why there are Americans that are uneducable, they are so dense that the world revolves around them.
The blind leading the fucking stupid!
Quite frankly it is the uneducated, high school dropouts and college uneducated fools that listen to Limp-Dick. The drooling idiot is right about that.
but I've met some very educated people, multiple degrees, that consider themselves uber-christians and listen to Rush the Hutt and think he's funny.
Jesus wouldn't approve of them laughing at a retarded person.
This reminds me of a study Al Franken mentions in his book Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them. The study concluded that people who got a majority of their information from talk radio shows (like Rush Limbaugh's) believed they were the best informed about whatever issues the study asked but they were in fact the least well informed.
People should read Chomsky for historical enlightenment.
Will McDonalds let you listen to Rush during your shift?
No more Bushs' in government! Blood, guts, extortion and death follow them everywhere they go. They are jinxed with Nazi blood money from grandpa. No! No! No!
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