Glenn Greenwald: Lieberman and Bayh Enriching Themselves and Their Spouses with Opposition to Health Reform
By Heather Thursday Oct 29, 2009 12:30pm
Rachel Maddow talks to Glenn Greenwald about Joe Lieberman's threat to filibuster the health care bill if it contains a public option, Evan Bayh quickly following suit and the financial gain being made by both men and their spouses for doing so.
Maddow: Sen. Lieberman has made it very clear that he plans to oppose health reform that includes a public option. He’ll filibuster it in fact which would be historic. What do you think is motivating him?
Greenwald: Well I think you have to look first of all at a Research 2000 Daily KOS poll that was taken last month that shows that a margin of 68 to 21% of Connecticut voters, the people who he’s essentially representing, favor a public option. That’s a 47 point margin which is almost impossible to find on almost any other issue. So when you ask why he’s doing this, it’s clearly not because the people he’s supposed to be representing favor it.
I think clearly what it’s about is primarily that fact that the industry that he’s serving by doing this—by preventing competition with the public option—is an industry from which he receives very substantial benefits. He’s drowning in campaign contributions from the insurance industry, the health care industry, the pharmaceutical industry—more than $2.5 million.
In early 2005 his wife was hired by a large P.R. firm, Hill & Knowlton, in the pharmaceutical division, which at the time was representing the health care giant Glaxo in major legislation before the Senate. And several months later Joe Lieberman was on the floor of the Senate offering legislation that would directly steer huge amounts of incentives to that company in order to develop vaccines.
So I think what you’re seeing here is the kind of legalized corruption, legalized bribery that runs the United States Senate; only in this case it’s particularly sleazy and transparent because Lieberman is ready to gut the major initiative of the Democratic Party.
Maddow: In doing so, using a procedural tactic that he’s in part made his name by opposing is the thing that’s so dramatic. Sen. Lieberman of course—he made this big announcement yesterday—today Sen. Evan Bayh of Indiana followed suit saying that he reserves the right now not only to filibuster the final vote, but even to filibuster earlier than that any debate on a bill that he’s not happy with. Sen. Bayh—we had thought that other conservative Democrats might follow Lieberman’s lead here, he sort of threw the door open and now presumably Bayh and maybe even others will follow. Can you say anything about what may be motivating Bayh.
Greenwald: Well, let’s look at Sen. Bayh. His wife sits on the Board of Directors of WellPoint, one of the largest health insurance companies in the nation. They own by their own disclosures between $500,000 and a million dollars just of WellPoint stock alone. And as I think you reported yesterday when Sen. Lieberman threatened to filibuster to the public option as one would expect the value of the stock of the health care industries and the health care companies skyrocketed—which directly benefited, personally benefited the finances of the Bayh family.
Let me just quickly reference this column two weeks ago by Dan Carpenter, a columnist for the Indianapolis Sun, who knows Sen. Bayh the best. He talks about how his wife is benefiting directly from the very actions Sen. Bayh is taking in the Senate to block health care reform—financially benefiting his family. And he wrote “after it became clear he was going to be a Senator, Susan Bayh started stacking up memberships on the board of health care corporations. Susan Bayh got paid a little over $2 million for her service between 2006 and 2008. Her husband had a good 2008 also, collecting more than $500,000 in campaign donations from the health care industry.
And now these very same people who receive enormous amounts of benefits, in Lieberman’s case from camp contributions and through his wife and also in Bayh’s case are not ignoring their constituents and the interest of their country to serve the very industries that enrich them. It’s really clear corruption.
They went on to discuss the promises made by Joe Lieberman when he was allowed to keep his chairmanship and the way these corporate Democrats have been allowed to do anything they want while liberal Democrats have been threatened with loss of support unless they voted for the war supplemental bill.
It's just pathetic that this type of reporting is the rarity instead of the norm on cable television. If Lieberman and Bayh want to filibuster their own caucus in the Senate, I say break out the cots and the diapers.
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Why is this not the lead story on every news program and newspaper in the country???
Don't you know there are two wars and an epidemic going on?
Why must you point out these little issues that divert our focus away from the enemy and the dangers to the country!
Why oh WHY do you hate America!!
And there was balloon boy and the Michael Jackson movie.
Unless Faux decides to turn politics into a a reality show - well, maybe even then - we'll see nothing of any real importance - it might make the little people uneasy don't cha know?
The media conglomerates relax in the same bath houses as the health insurance corporations.
Hmmm...with our soft supple Congress critters...all sweaty with their nether muscles all relaxed.
I am going to look into opening a pitchfork rental shop.
...but need some help with a flaming torch....you rent those too?
... Let me get some oil for them, they do burn nice and bright though.
Plus the tropical touch is doubleplusgood!
Sounds like you guys are planning a theme party. Shall I bring the adult beverages?
We'll be needing some adult gatorade...
why, who owns newspapers and news outlets? and who places hundreds of millions of ADV dollars a year into the pockets of these companies? to paraphrase Mary Stuart Masterson (name that movie!): the answer is in the question!
"Why is this not the lead story on every news program and newspaper in the country???"
Thank you. That was exactly my question.
for Lieberman's sorry ass when he was going under... At the time, I did not get the genius of this powerplay of political 3D chess. Which certainly has allowed Obama to have this old coot right where he wanted to help further Dem policies and... oh, wait...
Fact is - Obama supported Ned not Joe in the election. Loserman wasn't welcomed back into the fold until after he won the election. What did you think Obama should do at that point - shun the elected senator from CT?
he only supported Lamont after he won the Dem nomination. So either you don't know what the term "fact" means or...
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2006/04/02/164/...
Also, following your logic, Obama should kiss the ass of every single GOP senator too. I mean, they were elected too, and disagreeing with them would be tantamount to shunning, right?
Obama, then a new and junior Illinois Senator, threw his support to the winner of the Democratic primary in Connecticut. A standard practice.
... at all.
Obama supported Lamont only after he won the primary, he supported Lieberman during the primaries. A massive political miscalculation, to say the least.
Lieberman turned out to be the most electable Democrat of the two. Lamont losing to a Republican would not have advanced the cause very much so in the context of a Democratic primary supporting the incumbent made sense.
I think that Liberman's problem is that he thinks he should be President. After Gore's victory (overturned by the Supreme Court) he would have been VP and at least in his mind the obvious Democratic candidate in '08.
A repug winning Conn would have been an improvement over Lieberman.
We used to joke that Bush could rape a baby goat on national TV and his supporters not only would be undeterred but would find an excuse for that too. Somehow I think I am stuck in a Twilight Zone episode, because I swear I am seeing Dems doing the same sh*t now...
that Liarbearman won because Repigs voted him in, not Dems. It was a fairly close thing, even then.
Conn Dems know what a slimy weasel Lieberman is.
... which is why Obama's endorsement of Lieberman in the Dem primaries of that year looks so awful, right down myopic or idiotic take your pick (and that is giving as much benefit of the doubt as possible).
Obama also caused the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, Sen. Schumer, Sen. Kennedy, Sen. Dodd, Sen. Boxer and many others to back Joementum in the primary in 2006.
No more 3-D chess. King Dr. Durden. He knows everything.
Sen. and Ex-President Thrown Under the Bus
Clinton. Their support of Joe was also
orchestrated by that 3-D chessman, Obama the bad. It's all physics if you study up or grow up.
telling other people to grow up.
LOL.
When you can't discuss anything directly... deflect, deflect, deflect. Eh?
... far from it actually.
My only sin seem to be that to know a tad more than you do, not a hard feat actually. But enough to send your pompoms into an angry overdrive.
And speaking of pompoms, the last time someone thought that reciting back my academic achievements was going to shame me somehow, was some jackass in highschool. LOL, so keep it up... you almost sound not that infantile, really.
Has it come down to this? To just deny reality or attack those who dare point out the obvious? So now Lieberman was a great chap all along, because stating the obvious historical record based in FACT... would make Mr. Obama look bad.
I had other things to do, so I could not respond immediately.
All I said was I agreed with you and took your point even further.
Of course, to reinforce my support, I repeated things you always say when someone tries to counter your arguments (although I left out the Occam's razor, projections, dichotomizing, and psychological stuff you use because you are better educated).
I am sorry to have tried. I will put my Tyler Pom Poms down and let you smack down people who have the nerve to challenge you all on your own.
We all know now that Lieberman's an asshole. However back in the fall 2006 gaining control of the Senate from President Ted Bundy and company was the true priority. Lieberman pledged allegiance and reneged...he's the real culprit.
It's easy to be right from your position.
Lieberman was the biggest liability in the 2000 ticket, heck he basically sabotaged the whole thing when he pulled that BS with the overseas votes, throwing the towel in the middle of the recount.
Maybe the make out sessions with Bush for half a decade were not enough of a hint, or were you all thinking that is how they say hello in Connecticut? Giving tongue and rubbing the crotch?
Then he was this close to pull a Zell Miller in the 2004 election.
Lieberman has done all he could to sabotage the Dem party, beginning with his throwing of Clinton under the bus. That is over 1 decade of documented sabotage, against anything Dem or remotely liberal... on a daily basis. Yeah, great political acumen going on there...
All this talk about 3D chess, but so far all I see round pieces and 1D movements, like in checkers.
Except for his consistent pro Israel votes and his war mongering dumb shit Leiberman was actually a reliable Democrat. He went extreme once Obama became the opponent to his friend McCain.
The simple fact is that none of us liked or trusted the guy, but we needed him at the time.
Everybody accepted Nasty Joe back because we needed his vote...period.
But not for Lieberman being an honorless liar, your argument is just the second guessing of a political strategy.
but by popping him in the primary we stopped the war! Just like we did with Gene and Bobby in '68. By the way, Humphrey would not have gotten the nomination without Obama.
so now "Lieberman was a reliable Democrat" Are you F*CKING KIDDING ME?
You are much better than this Left and Left, and Obama is just another politician. Some of you need to come to grasp with the concept, that yes... he is human and bound to do some pretty shitty things. You guys are going to some weird twilight zone, in which history is rewritten just to accommodate the fact that you can't fathom the slightest criticism of Mr. Obama.
Seriously, take a breather and realize in what grossly fashion you had to rewrite history to justify Obama's action.
I shudder to even think what like of propaganda will take for you to whitewash Obama's FISA vote.
Corporate cocksucking pays well.
Obviously. As long as Joe has his knee pads, he will never go broke...or care about the voters.
This is coruption to the highest degree. It is overt and yet nobody, not any Senators nor the President will do anything about it. if either of these two Senator's wives make that much profit from this type of legislation, then they should excuse themselves from any vote!
But NO! They will go against the American people so that they can line their pockets. This to me, is Treason.
QUICK! Someone call Harry Reid!!!
Reid does not respond to calls, only FAXes... and strongly worded ones at that!
But it's legal because those who make the laws are those who benefit from them. That's a conflict of interest, too. What to do, what to do?
What to do, what to do?
1) American Idol
2) Dancing with the Stars
3) OH OH! The new Michael Jackson movie is coming out!!
Treason, corruption, all of the above! Why is there no law against this? It's clearly conflict of interest.
The betrayal of millions of people should reap millions of dollars.
It is and always has been about the money.
If these slugs ever had a principle they sold it long ago - now the money exchange is automatic and impersonal - just business. Who cares if people die in the process - people die no matter what so . . .
The farging iceholes!
I get tired of the illusions people create for themselves. Corporations OWN this country. We do not live in a democracy. We live in a Plutocracy......aka Pseudo-Fascist state.
These corporations now control: What we eat, what we breathe, what healthcare we receive, what income we can make, what wars we fight, what leaders we get...and on...and on.
They spend billions of dollars convincing us otherwise..and it works.
It works because most people are so ignorant they can't put anything in context and therfore can't understand the world around them. They watch TV and get spoon-fed corporate bullshit. They like it that way. It's easy, simple, and reassuring.
These corporations know this fundamentally.
"You've got to free yourself from mental slavery. None but ourselves can free our minds"-Bob Marley
Right on!!! Big business is more important than big government, at least in Republicans' eyes. They do not want to help out the poor & middle class. They only want to help the rich. The rich deserve tax cuts because they are so much better that everyone else. They say, "You must take after the rich, who are far more admirable than the poor are".
Big business or just business is important, but what we have today cannot be called business. In business you find or develope a product that people need or want and service that need. Today we have advertizing to convince you that you need something. I guess what I am trying to say is that what we are doing business wise is unsustainable. It is short term profits over long term sustainability. It's grab a small fortune here while you can for nothing. Think about it what do health insurance companies produce? What needed purpose do they perform? None. They take your money and tell you what you have to do or not. They are paid to take your money and deny you the use of it. Once on the floor of the congress I cannot remember which congressman it was said he was a small business owner and if the minimun wage was raised it would put him out of business. My thought were if the only way you can make money is to have a work force that are essentially slave labor, then you don't really have a business to start with.
I am sick of these people that make money by begging or cheating others,ie: senators,congressmen,bankers, insurance,lobbyests,wallstreet. We need to get rid of these current day oppressers and criminals. We need to start by emptying washington of the pollitical scum that is cloging all the drains and then we can fix things by putting average Americans in the jobs of senator and congress where they can serve the public for their elected term and return home to their previous life, and let someone else do their civic duty.
We can take the big money out. Redraw the districts to make them smaller and each congressman would have fewere offices to maintain. For two years you could be a in congress. Then maybe one or your neighbors would be there for two years.
What we have now is killing the country with greed and corruption. WE have to change it and now!
Remember present day republicanism/conservatism is a mental illness!
they're protecting our freedoms.
Finally, a bipartisan issue, legal bribery. ;o}
Not all that long ago when senators and such would recuse themselves out of fear of being embarrassed by such obvious conflicts of interest and clearly recorded payola.
Yeah...there was a time when we left our doors and windows unlocked too.
I AlWAYS thought that idea was BS. People say that but in reality some jerks get too drunk and walk into the wrong house and sometimes for no good reason a neighbor (always the nice one) loses it and goes on a murdering spree. On a smaller scale teenagers have always done break-ins just to get the liquor.
This kind of behavior is as historic as houses - so the next time someone tries to say they didn't lock their doors - tell them they are either stupid or they are making stuff up.
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Where I live we once had a message from the Sheriff to ask that people *please* not leave their cars unlocked, and if you left it unlocked at least take the key out of the ignition.
It is more of a rural thing. You wouldn't understand. Part of it is the fact that a locked door doesn't make a hell of a lot of difference when your nearest neighbor is a mile away.
Mr.
SmartyHandypants! I grew up in a rural part of north Arkansas. Everyone in our valley left their doors and windows unlocked! In fact, our front and back doors were always open, and the screen doors kept insects out, but let the breezes come in.Furthermore, we had an informal exchange/barter system in our little valley: our family typically got 6-8 gallons of milk a day, and left what we couldn't use in big gallon jars on our kitchen table. Neighbors would come in, take some milk, and leave eggs or homemade sausage or other goodies in exchange for a gallon or two of milk. They would also leave empty gallon jars so we didn't have to scrounge for containers for the next day's milk.
This valley has changed tremendously. Not only are doors and windows locked, it's unlikely that the people who now live in the valley actually know each other.
The main reason to become a senator or congressman is the money you can make. Why else would you spend millions of dollars for a jon that pays less then two hundred thousand? You will never get me to believe that these people went their with the intentions of helping others. They invested so much money and time because they can game the system, fool the masses into believing this bullshit really needs to have people like them. This has been a joke of a system my entire lifetime I cannot vouch for before that. But if we don't clean the scum out of washington and start with a new bunch of average Americans there for two years to do his or her civic duty and return home to their former life!
republicansim/conservatism is a mental illness!
Bribery, pure and simple...and very few care or understand.
We need election reform!! YES YES...That's the ticket!!
We'll write to all our elected officials!! And we'll tell them...we don't want them to take any more corporate donations!! Yes..YES!! I'm sure they will respond to that. We are the PEOPLE! We're in control!!!
We'll write letters! EMAIL!...and things will change! We'll even get universal healthcare!! YES! YES! and and...an upgraded infrastructure!! YES!! YES!!...and flying cars! They promised us flying cars!!!
It's the Indianapolis Star, not the Sun:
http://www.indystar.com/article/20091004/OPIN...?
...is, in fact a publication unworthy of use lining a parakeet cage. Dan Carpenter, however, has been the lone progressive voice there for years...and I'm sure that he's as disappointed in 'ol Evvie as I (one of his constituants) am. Hard to believe his dad Birch was a "real" Democrat back in the day.
I sent Evvie an e-mail awhile back on the health care issue...and casually mentioned that if I'd wanted two Republican senators form Indiana, I'd sure as hell have voted for two. At this point, Lugar's certainly the lesser of two evils. At least he's not bought and sold so easily.
Corruption ? Gee whiz , who'd a thunk it ? It is so prevalent now that the minority , the good guys , are powerless to stop it or over come it . The MSM won't touch this stuff but just turns a blind eye and pretends that they are legitimate .
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Throw the bums out.
QUICK!! Call Nancy Pelosi!!!
RECALL!
I second that!
Attacks" visits Congress? I think it's the only chance we have.
Oh...get real. All the corporations need to do is find out what the aliens want and they'll buy them off to.
Ya better hope that the aliens don't eat human beings.
drained all the blood from humans. Doesn't that sound kind of familiar?
Kinda like my ex wife. LOL.
I heard just a little while ago that Bayh had changed his mind about the bill. I just didn't hear all the details.
WOW! That is news! I didn't know that Bayh had one!
must have sold her stock. Now the price will go down and she'll re-buy it. Blatant.
Hill & Knowlton are Human Rights Abusers and Lie-Tellers with strong connections to both political parties. Hill & Knowlton's legacy is nothing to be proud of either.
"...Every big media event needs what journalists and flacks alike refer to as "the hook." An ideal hook becomes the central element of a story that makes it newsworthy, evokes a strong emotional response, and sticks in the memory. In the case of the Gulf War, the "hook" was invented by Hill & Knowlton. In style, substance and mode of delivery, it bore an uncanny resemblance to England's World War I hearings that accused German soldiers of killing babies....Only a few astute observers noticed the hypocrisy in Hill & Knowlton's use of the term "human rights." One of those observers was John MacArthur, author of The Second Front, which remains the best book written about the manipulation of the news media during the Gulf War. In the fall of 1990, MacArthur reported, Hill & Knowlton's Washington switchboard was simultaneously fielding calls for the Human Rights Foundation and for "government representatives of Indonesia, another H&K client. Like H&K client Turkey, Indonesia is a practitioner of naked aggression, having seized . . . the former Portuguese colony of East Timor in 1975. Since the annexation of East Timor, the Indonesian government has killed, by conservative estimate, about 100,000 inhabitants of the region...
From Nicholas Wilson:
"...A few months after the Bari bombing, Hill & Knowlton was hired by the Kuwaiti government to generate support for U.S. entry into the Gulf War against Iraq. One of their most successful deceptions was the incubator story. "I saw the Iraqi soldiers come into the hospital with guns. They took the babies out of the incubators ... and left the children to die on the cold floor." This was the story told by "Nayirah, " a 15-year old Kuwaiti girl who shocked a public hearing of Congress' Human Rights Caucus on October 10, 1990. It was widely reported in the media, and helped demonize Iraqis in American public opinion. The young woman was later unmasked as the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador, and Kuwaiti hospital officials interviewed after the Gulf War had ended said no infants had been dumped from incubators, but only a small fraction of those who were exposed to the original propaganda ever learned that....Hill & Knowlton had helped "Nayirah" prepare her written testimony to Congress which mentioned 15 babies being dumped. H&K had sent its own film crew to the hearing, then sent the tearful testimony on video to a service that provided it to 700 TV stations nationwide. Portions were used on NBC Nightly News. The fraudulent story reached an estimated 35 million people...."
Hill & Knowlton was the original Rendon Group....Hill & Knowlton is certainly not a virtuous outfit.
WellPoint Inc. (NYSE: WLP) announced that its third quarter net income totaled $730.2 million, topping analysts' estimates. Revenue for the quarter came to $15.43 billion, up from $14.96 billion a year ago.
....also, the stock went up 2.6% today for some reason....
How is it legal for Senator Lieberman to knowingly and willingly block legislation, when its clear that he and is wife are being paid off by the health insurance and pharmaceutical lobby?
How can this information be any better disseminated so that everyone can finally understand the unscrupulous behavior of Senator Lieberman and his wife?
Because the Congress critters long ago enacted legislation, under the auspices of "campaign reform", that basically says.."Congress can do whatever the fuck it wants, take as much as it wants...neener neener neener."
Why do you think the Congress has not really lobbied for a raise in quite some time. They don't need it. They look like real sweet guys by not bitching about pay...but in the meantime, they are raking in more personal wealth than ever before.
I thought they voted to give themselves a raise every year.
No. Not true.
From what I can gather, Reid ended it this year when he put a freeze on it.
Here's what I found
Yeah...i know. They put that whole auto raise thing together cause they were getting grief all the time whenever they had to vote a pay raise. The minority party allows made political hay of it, so in the spirit of bi partisanship, the two parties agreed to a ceasefire that would allow each side to avoid political heat.
If people ran for public office for the salary...no one would run. It's always about the Benjamins and the Benjamins are there once your elected...always has been.
From the July 1, 2009 edition of the New Haven Independent, “Joe: No Go On “Public Option” by Paul Bass:
“...U.S. Sen. Joe Lieberman has a bipartisan group of senators ready to help pass health care reform — minus a government-run insurance plan...During a New Haven stop to support overall reform, Connecticut’s independent fourth-term senator gave his strongest statement to date opposing Democrats’ and President Obama’s call for a “public option” health care plan…………...“Public option” is shorthand for a Medicare-like government plan that would compete with private companies to cover many of the 47 million Americans who don’t get private health insurance through their employers or elsewhere……...“If we create a public option, the public is going to end up paying for it,” Lieberman said following an hour-long confab with public-health experts at the Ashmun Street community center of the Monterey Homes public housing complex. “That’s a cost we can’t take on.”…The public option plan aims to cover 95 percent of the uninsured; require all Americans to have insurance; cut costs; and tax companies that don’t provide insurance to employees. The idea has met with public approval in opinion polling, but resistance from Republican lawmakers, some conservative Democrats, and insurance companies….Connecticut’s other U.S. senator, Chris Dodd, supports the public option. So do all five U.S. representatives from CT, including Rosa DeLauro….”
From the Slate’s “Did Lieberman Just Kill the Public Option?” Oct. 27, 2009, article written by Timothy Noah:
“...In his 2008 book The Good Fight, Reid writes that he and Lieberman differed on the Iraq war but "on other issues, he's always with me." But can Reid really count on Lieberman this time? In recent years Lieberman has not shown himself to be an especially trustworthy character. … Ezra Klein of Washingtonpost.com and Jonathan Chait of the New Republic both point out that Lieberman's reason for opposing the public option—that it's too expensive—makes no sense, because the public option actually lowers the cost of health reform by exerting downward competitive pressure on the private-insurance premiums whose purchase the government would subsidize….”
Joe Lieberman in 2006 said that: “I’m a loyal Democrat,” he told reporters, “but I have loyalties that are greater than those to my party.”
When I worked for the Federal Government, I was a Contract Specialist. As such, every year I had to fill out a Statement of Financial Interest. I had to list sources of income, including my husband's salary, investments, and debts above a certain amount. If it appeared that I or anyone in my household had an interest in a company that might submit a proposal for a contract I was involved in, I would be required to recuse myself. And if I lied, I could be fired. And I only made $60K a year. I'm sure these guys are required to fill out and file a similar form. Shouldn't they have to recuse themselves? Are they lying?
You would have to buy Joe about 500,000 cookies for him to come on your show!
...'legalized corruption and bribery'...'bought and paid for'...The only reason that Republicans and compliant Democrats, and even what Lieberman is, is that they've been taking the money for all these years and if they don't 'come across' now, the evidence of genuine wrong-doing will be at the DOJ tomorrow. Of course, they won't do anything with it, but somebody, in some state, will.
The only, long-term, answer is public financing of campaigns...limits on how much is spent and how long campaigns last...the whole gamut of controls that will outlaw accepting any contributions to political campaigns. So long as these pricks, and pricketts, can use the excuse of financing campaigns, they'll be taking the money - after all, it's the American way. You don't think politicians are gonna stand by and watch CEOs pocket tens and hundreds of millions, while they, the pols, have to 'get by' on a few hundred thou a year, do you?
the hen house? Those who make the laws are the ones being bribed. How can that be fixed short of a violent revolution?
Ok, it's coming down to trusting someone in the Senate that is a straight shooter...Hey Joe... Joe Biden...You've got two (?) Senators: Bayh and Lieberman openly being bribed on the Senate floor by Wellpoint Insurance, right in front of everybody. Will you do something about it? Thanks, I knew I could count on you. Joe, the conflict of interest is just so criminal it needs immediate attention. Thanks again man. I knew I could trust you.
Channel 8, Hartford, CT. He was being interviewed by Channel 8's Mark Davis. Davis confronted him on a poll that showed a vast majority of LIEberman's constituents favor the public option. How did Joe handle that? By saying that those people do not understand what the public option really is.
Watch interview here: http://www.wtnh.com/dpp/news/health/news_wtnh...
that they re-elected someone that couldn't give two sh*ts about them. Just hearing his name makes my blood boil...and I'm not even from CT.
Re. Senator Evan Bayh - a wolf in sheep's clothing
"Our success as a party will largely be determined by how well we do here in the heartland... The time has come to be secure about our values. The time has come to lead." --Evan Bayh
This guy would like the (R) seat, but to get his foot in the door he throttles his rhetoric towards the conservate fundi-lite crowd. It's merely a logistical/ideology thing.
Key words... Moral instead of good/ness or bad/ness, Our values un-defined and Liberty un-defined, just to name a few.
Anything/everything gov't-run or productive, let alone the public option, is automatically socialism.
I really don't understand the amount of dismay and anguish being tossed at the beloved Senator Joe Lieberman. I sincerely find that there is absolutely no type of justified anger that can be aimed at the dear good Senator from Conneticut. The man has not changed his spots or ways of thinking. On the contrary, we Americans should be forever grateful that there is at least one Senator left in that sacred chamber that is honest, upfront and true to his own set standard of morals.
If we are to blame anyone - then the blame should go squarely to the thick voters living in the state of Conneticut that continue to be so easily swayed and blinded every 6 years. Conneticut is obviously a state of humans with very short memory spans and the rest of America continues to suffer for their repeated error.
I've got my car loaded full of "snake-oil" and I'm headed for Conneticut ... I'm absolutely possitive that I can make a real killing on these
retardsdim-wits."Those who do not take an interest in public affairs are doomed to be ruled by evil men." -- Plato
What would happen if any other political party pushed for a cap and trade bill that could create green jobs of which 9 out of 10 created would be unsustainable, require government subsidizing and cost the nations economy millions of real jobs? And this is not to mention the increase in manufacturing costs that would be passed on to us in time of depression.
No matter if you are a Democrat, Republican, Libertarian or an Independent, what do you think is going to happen when the government revenues are down and spending is quadrupled? As one senator from Florida was categorized as, “One must be a fry short of a happy meal” to believe that wiping out the U.S. dollar and reducing the purchasing power of our salaries and retirement savings is a good thing.
How do you think the media or yourself would react if the republicans were the majority party and were negotiating behind closed doors on a republican senator’s proposal to overhaul one of our economy's largest industries, especially when it hasn't been written yet? On an almost straight party-line vote, Democrats in the Senate Finance Committee squashed an amendment by Senator Jim Bunning that would have required the Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reed and the Baucus healthcare or “rob our children and their children bill” to be posted on the Internet for all Americans to read for 72 hours prior to the Committee voting on it.
There are Republicans who should be voted out of office as well. They are the ones who didn’t listen to the American people and under the veil of "negotiations," kept the “rob our children and their children” bill scheme to socialize the nation's health care system alive. And those are not the only ones. Every politician who allowed the Federal Reserve to loan two trillion dollars without knowing to whom, for what or the disclosure of terms should be investigated, made accountable for their irresponsibility and thrown out of office as well. Sleeping on the job is no excuse.
The Federal Reserve has no real oversight and it’s time for these politicians to get the message loud and clear. We need to learn from our past mistakes and before voting, find out the candidate’s passed association’s, voting record, speeches made and most importantly, don’t let the progressives in the media or celebrities who receive bribes from the likes of George Soros brain wash you. The buss is speeding to go over a cliff and we need to get hold of the staring wheel and the brakes.
Cybercorrespondent
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