Gingrich and Jindal Blame Republican Losses on Bush Rather Than Ideology
From Face the Nation, Nov. 16, 2008: Newt Gingrich and Bobby Jindall discuss why the Republicans lost this year. As usual there were trying to fob it off on George Bush. Never mind that Bush went along with every single policy that is at the core of Republican ideology. And the fact they they defended him at every turn which led us down a path that has almost left the country completely bankrupt. Jindall tries to pump the "we're a center-right nation" line that is littering our airwaves, but the facts don't support it and neither did the election. And as usual, Newt wraps it up by saying Obama won because he was "Reaganite".
Gingrich: I think that's right and if you look at the [...] you look at Sen. Obama's campaign he's promising a middle class tax cut. That was a Reaganite position.
I seem to recall that what was being spewed by Conservatives and Newt was that Obama is a Socialist leading up to Obama's victory. Maybe the people want Socialism, Newt?
Full transcript to follow.
Schieffer: I want to run by a couple of statistics by both of you. In 1980 Ronald Reagan got 14% of the black vote. This year John McCain got 4%. Now that's understandable. You had the first African American candidate and I think both of you would agree he was a very good candidate who ran a good campaign. But look at the rest of this. Ronald Reagan got 37% of the Hispanic vote, George Bush got 44%, John McCain 31%. Ronald Reagan in 1984 got 61% of the youth vote. John McCain got 32%. Now doesn't that tell you that you have been concentrating on the wrong things here?
Gingrich: Well hang on a second Bob, hold on a second. You take Reagan's greatest reelection in 1984 and McCain's defeat and you compare them and guess what? The guy who lost got fewer votes. But that was Reagan's greatest single vote. Now look..yeah.
Schieffer: Doesn't that you're concentrating, haven't you put too much emphasis on social issues here and not enough on issues that...
Gingrich: You know what the number one issue was this fall? The number one issue this fall was that the Bush administration had failed. Okay. That Republicans in the House and the Senate had failed. This was a performance election. You're a 20, 25, 30 year old person and you look at this mess and you say gosh, do I like this attractive, new articulate candidate named Obama who's for change we can depend on, or do I want to vote for the party that has just been failing?
Now I think we have temporarily a big problem. I think that President-elect Obama is brilliant and committed and lucky. He might well consolidate that vote. On the other hand if they watch what you just said in the first half of this show and you end up with Congress bailing out billions to failing companies and those 20 year olds and 30 year olds start to figure out they're going to pay the taxes. They're not getting the billions. I think you might find a lot of dissatisfaction by next summer.
Schieffer: How about you Gov. Jindal? What about this bailout?
Jindal: Well I think the speaker is right. I think the American voters, the American tax payers are rightfully skeptical. You go back to September what we heard from Washington was it was absolutely urgent to pass this bill right away and then since then we've heard multiple, different explanations as to how they're going to spend this money. I think tax payers are right to say one, we're the ones that are going to be paying the bills. Secondly, they're looking for competence.
I think this election certainly shows us that the American people are, I think we still live in a center-right country, but they're looking for competence. They're looking for real solutions. To your earlier question I think the Republican party needs to fight for every single vote. I don't believe that you win or lose elections based identity politics. I think you build majority coalitions by showing that we want every single American to live the American dream and I think we do that by offering real solutions.
I think as we do that we can do what Reagan did. He got those so called Reagan Democrats to vote for a Republican candidate not based on party affiliation but because he had the best idea, the best qualifications to help them send their kids to better schools, earn more in their careers and have access to affordable health care.
Schieffer: So what he is saying, and I think you agree, people voted against incompetence, not against ideology?
Gingrich: I think that's right and if you look at the [...] you look at Sen. Obama's campaign he's promising a middle class tax cut. That was a Reaganite position.
I am curious (yellow)
Doesn't he have any eyebrows?
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you don't need any.
he has a pale white unibrow...
Must be posessed.
By corporations.
find someone to throw under the bus. Watch them start calling Bush a socialist.
Watch FOX start to mislabel him as (D)
It's the hip thing to do.
Good thing he didn't name himself Tiger after the Brady Bunch dawg.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7X0SWf347zA
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Jan Jindal... has a nice ring to it doesn't it?
These conservative purists are just like the Communists. It wasn't "Communism" that failed everywhere it was tried. It was something else, run by incompetent and immoral people. They will never examine whether the ideology people tried to implement is itself so faulty that it inevitably leads to incompetence and corruption.
Besides, Bobby Jindal thinks exorcisms cure cancer, so I wouldn't put much stock in anything he says.
Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?
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Indeed. So it's up to us in America to repeatedly make that point with examples. For instance, it is impossible to implement a "free market", meaning without oversight and regulation, without greed and fraud getting the upper hand in the game. Without government that provides checks and balances on all aspects of the society and guarantees Constitutional freedoms from government, the very worst aspects of human character get into the mix and dominate it.
Simply, a country cannot survive without government any more than a family can survive without rules -- the result is a dog-eat-dog world with everyone suffering except the bullies.
All they're saying is that GW wasn't a very accomplished bully.
I concur, anney.
As it says in our founding document:
The just power of government is to make our equal rights secure. Sometimes that means staying out of our way. Sometimes that means actively digging in its heels to protect us.
Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?
"It's not the ideology that's wrong"
How to make a republican Meatloaf:
1. Read the recipe.
2. Dismiss the recipe.
3. Substitute broken glass and corks for ground beef.
4. Whine and cry about the meatloaf tasting like shit.
5. Blame the Democrats.
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Reaganite my ass. 2 weeks ago it was socialism.
Here they are, going on and on how they have to go further RIGHT to attract voters.(???) Are they serious? And blaming Bush? Give me a freakin break! These idiots have no honor. But what else to expect from a Republican?
The further right, the better. Edging themselves closer to the abyss, this time next year- poof- they disappear...
Make no motto of love that worships war
Is he an American? He looks "exotic" to me.
Quick, someone call Limbaugh and Hannity...there's terrorists here!!
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
I guess if you are a Bible-thumping, Evolution denying, righty-tighty right-winger, skin color doesn't matter. Unless you are a Democrat. THEN you are exotic.
...if at sometime in the near future Michael Steele becomes the RNC chair and then Bobby Jindal gets the Repug nod as a Pres candidate. Do you think any of the reich-winger, xians, bigots will notice then??! And, what will happen if that occurs in 2012 > Jindal against Obama > they'll go freakin' crazy..!
"Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of Stupidity" - Frank Leahy
Makes you wonder, had Hillary won the nomination, would McCain have picked Jindal as his running mate, you know,...to court the favor of the "ethnic" vote?
he would have won the favor of the all-important "exorcise the demons out" vote!
Maybe they should court the "burn the witches" and the "cockroaches are eating my pineal gland" votes as well; getting back to the GOP big tent...
I thought that was why he picked Palin.
Alan Keyes.
He's the minority who would be equivalent to Palin in the excellent choice category.
Wouldn't have happened, those crazy eyes on Keyes scare McCain too much.
Reslugs just can't face the absolute fact that their backwards party is dying out fast and that most Americans are progressives, as proven in the last election.
Wikipedia sez...
Denial of responsibility: This form of denial involves avoiding personal responsibility by blaming, minimizing or justifying. Blaming is a direct statement shifting culpability and may overlap with denial of fact. Minimizing is an attempt to make the effects or results of an action appear to be less harmful than they may actually be. Justifying is when someone takes a choice and attempts to make that choice look okay due to their perception of what is "right" in a situation. Someone using denial of responsibility is usually attempting to avoid potential harm or pain by shifting attention away from themselves.
Or as my grandmother says "The only one you have to blame is yourself."
Yeah, right, lucky, not talented. He didn't run arguably one of the best and most disciplined campaigns of this century. He was just "lucky". I really hate when people denigrate someone's accomplishments like that. As if Obama just scratched off a lottery ticket and Oh My God, became president.
ReaganomicsNewternomics or Jindanomics...same old plan(s) wrapped in repackaged shit.
Make no motto of love that worships war
"That was a Reaganite position."
B.S. was the Reaganite position...66% tax increase for small business:
Tax Rates for Self Employed Persons
Year: Rates (in percent)
1981: 9.3
1983: 9.35
1984: 14
1985: 14.1
1987: 14.3
1989: 15.023
1990: 15.3
Source: Social Security administration:
www.socialsecurity.gov
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If all you can do is envoke Reagan to keep you're party afloat, then you truly are doomed. Young people often ask, "Reagan who?" seems like the repugs are all out of ideas.
Gringrich should look in the mirror if he's looking for scapegoats.
He was one of the chief manufacturers of the GOP focus on catering to the extremists in the GOP. He also engineered the GOP takeover of Congress by fringe lunatics and amateur politicians like Frist, Delay, Santorum, etc. He was also a chief architect of the whole family values campaigns, the focus on big business tax cuts, and the whole sale sell out of Washington to the K street lobbyists.
Take a look at who Gringrich now works for.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
Good. This means they won't fix it and that is fantastic news. They will keep going further and further right. that's all they have left.
That's exactly what I was thinking. If they want to take that road into the future, don't stand in their way.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Gingritch has a "Clinton" complex...he can't deal with the fact that he's not as good looking, not as smart, not as popular...and couldn't get laid half as often as Bill Clinton...not even with a fist full of fifties.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
Reagan was a socialite.
What's that? SocialIST?? Oh, sorry.
Paris Hilton looks better in a string bikini than Reagan.
thinner now though.
and thinks the reason why his face is all bloody, after the collision, is not because he ran full speed against a wall... but rather that he did not run fast enough.
That is, incidentally, also one of the definitions of insanity: do the same thing over and over again, and given the same conditions, expect a different outcome.
Gingrich calls Reagan a Socialist. It doesn't seem possible but I swear the Republicans just get wierder and wierder each and every day.
that's what happens when you've got an ideology that has absolutely no basis in fact?
it is at times great fun to watch the GOP drowning in its own shit.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
...in 2012. Sarah Palin will be a distant embarrassing memory and these two will be the ticket. And lose.
There will be a split in the GOP with Palin and the bible thumpers on one side and Newt and the Neo-Cons on the other, with Jindal caught in the middle.
...God will send down buckets and buckets of rain for forty days and nights and instruct Fred Thompson to build an ark...
Make no motto of love that worships war
Palin is already on the road to obscurity.
The next stops.."Palin Knows Best"...then a divorce...her daughter decides not to marry...Todd gets caught in a compromising situation with a fur seal...Sarah does a photo spread for Playboy while she still has her looks...then she takes singing lessons and starts doing a nightclub act.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
Palin on American Idol? Maybe she'll end up stalking Paula Abdul.
Kathy Lee Gifford?
I'd rather never see her again. Gingrich basically said she isn't qualified. I find her extremly annoying. I hope she stays in Alaska and serves up more mooseburgers. But the Diva in her wants constant attention. Sigh! She will not go away quietly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j19kw2Vrzwk
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I like your scenario but I want her around because she clearly annoys would-
be Repub "leaders." Not only that, I saw her actually look at her child/grandchild today so she really doesn't think that he's a sack of moose feed to haul around! So she must have a kind heart.
ljmel
Includes video of entire interview:
Obama On Economic Crisis, Transition
Much better viewing!!
When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
Bill Bennett is convinced the GOP problem lies in the "halls of higher learning." According to him, most grads know about Harriet Tubman and Rosa Parks. But only "15%" of grads have ever heard of George C. Marshall, Alvin York and "All Quiet On The Western Front." I guess he took a poll.
This is good news for humanity. As long as these nitwits think its anything but them, they will continue to shrink. Bush is the product of an cynical bankrupt ideology, just as a token Asian-exorcist will be when his turn comes. The good news for Jindal? He'll lock down that Christo-terrorist vote.
Hate filled religion rules the Republican party, fomented by Fox and Limbaugh. They have become the US version of Al-Qaeda and the Taliban.
don't give Palin that much credit. She's not that smart.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
what will the two groups be deciding...whether Jindal should be face down in a pickup...or tied to the back of it?
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
Ouch, Must be tough to be Bobby Jindal right now, maybe he sould consult Micheal Jackson about bleaching his skin.
It was the flying space monkeys.
They used their Stupid Rays on good, Gawd-fearing, patriotic Americans, causing them to vote against the great and powerful GOP. This is the only reasonable explanation for the election.
Of course, Liberals are the loyal minions of these space aliens. I have proof. The goldfish told me so.
Step away from the aquarium, Aquarius
Lest people think you have an unhealthy fixation with fish.
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the crawdaddy then maybe I'd believe you...
... but a freekin goldfish? No way!
And you know what the crappe is full of.
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that in the middle of all of what has happened over the last eight years, that the Republican Party can't seem to get into their thick skulls that their evil association with the Bible Thumping Evangelicals is one of the big problems. Most Americans are upset that the RR has any say whatsoever in the workings of the US Government.
Then there is the NeoCon/PNAC group (Wolfowitz, Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld etc.) who sold the bill of goods to our idiot in chief W about how easy Iraq would be and the whole setup of Lies that brought us to Iraq. And they still are telling the same Lies and the Moron Factor is still believing them.
Not to mention the K-Street Group who sold the whole $$$$ fiasco to Bushco.
Until THEY can see what we Can see, they will continue to fall on the own weapons.
Quit propping up the old dead guy. This ain't Weekend at Bernie's!
You not gonna "Palin" me boy. They're just going to use Jindal. He is more rehearsed than Stupid Sarah....with those dumbass pulling Reagan out of the grave talking points.
when you don't have a government by Law, but Government by Man. Also typically political (but especially Republican), to blame somebody else for your (or by extension, your Party's) faults.
If it can't be the #$@%^@^ liberals, or the %&*$& bloggers, then it has to be Bush or Cheney. God knows, it *can't* be our fault for giving them the decision-making capability, no strings attached.....
... is one creepy-looking fellow.
And if he's spouting Republican/conservative nonsense, then I don't need to listen to him. I wonder if his voice matches his face.
Ugh.
The thumpers will claim we're not supposed to put our faith in governments but in Jeeezzzzzussss.
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That's OK. Bushes actions embodied Thug Ideology. The CheneyBushCo Regime is Thug Ideology WRIT LARGE.
Don't forget that. The Thugs were behind their boy all the fucking way at great expense to the world and humankind. Until Grampy McPalin fucked up. Really. They were backing Bush as recently as that. "Our Preznit, right or wrong..." rah rah bullshit. Remember the banking bailout?
I'm all for ending the divisiveness here, but not at the expense of an accurate recording of history, Professor Newt. You understand the victors write history, not ugly hypocritical losers like you this time.
Newt's a fucking history professor. He's flapping his big yap for the historical record now. He knows exactly how that shit works.
Marginalise Newt.
me-oww!
The GOP tried that already, but someone pulled the stake out of his heart. Don't they know, you gotta cut the head off to make sure he doesn't come back to life.
Or swipe their shoes.
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And there the "newsman" goes "thank you, thank you" Bull PooP! These two do not deserve a national format, Newt's grow well in Georgia, they should stay there, Jindal endorsed the looting of Louisiana post Katrina, the Hague would be a good place for him to answer for his actions.
Peace All
More my kind of Indian
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Every decision arrived at by the Bush administration and supported by his Republican Congress was qualified first with the question, "What would Reagan do?"
And then that is EXACTLY what they did.
They determined it that way, sold it to the American people that way and campaigned in subsequent elections on that premise.
That they are now saying Bush and the Rep Congress lost their way from following Conservative Saint Reagan and began to behave like "liberals" is outrageous revisionist history.
If Eisenhower, Nixon, Ford, Reagan and GHW Bush had had the same Republican Congressional majority for as long as GW Bush did, they ALL would have driven this country off a cliff just as disastrously as GW Bush did. The only thing that prevented them from doing it was there were just enough Democrats on hand to wrestle the car keys away from them at critical turns.
Not so from January 2001 to January 2007.
George W. Bush and his GOP Congress from January 2001 to January 2007 conducted a PERFECT "conservative" administration agenda. Reagan would have been proud. There is no weaseling out of it.
Sorry, guys. You don't get to distance yourself from the very "core values" you beat the shit out of everyone else with who knew better than you what they would lead to.
Ronald Reagan skyrockets to the top of the list of the worst presidents of all time if for no other reason than that he gave ANAL-birth to George H.W. Bush, George W. Bush, Tom DeLay, Newt Gingrich, Karl Rove, Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter and a shit-litter of others like them to cluster f*ck this country into another dark age.
I think this person could loan jindal some new eyebrows; they have more than enough to spare:
http://www.supernannyrules.com/wp-content/upl...
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as evidence see Lee Atwater on wiki.
Republican nut jobs fighting?....pass the popcorn,I'm liking this. Hey ginuewt,how did that 'send all unwanted kids to boys town working out?' oops sorry I asked.
But yeah, that's the new talking point from the Republican party, huh? "This is STILL a Center Right nation". I hope that the News Media doesn't start picking this up in the echo chamber. Right now it's pretty empty, but I can see them setting up their basic talking points to start bitting at Obama's heels as he tries to govern this country.
I wonder when the pump has been primed enough and every news anchor starts saying "...well, after all, President Obama, this is a Center Right nation....."
I guess you can't blame Jindal -- he was in diapers when Reagan was president -- but he has it completely wrong when he says it wasn't identity politics but Reagan's ideas and policies that attracted voters. Polling revealed that majorities of Americans disagreed with Reagan on virtually everything, yet he still won twice.
i was there...and i remember him dishing out the same repug bs they still do
health care savings plans....which are fine...until you get sick
and oh really is right...people voted for reagan despite the fact that they disagreed with him on virtually everything
I don't think people voted for Reagan, as much as Mondale talked them out of voting for him.
I'd love to hear what these two would do differently.
Then pull up videos of them supporting Bush. heh.
Obviously, Neither Gingrich nor Jindal have gotten hannity's memo regarding the FACT that our present financial hardship is ALL OBAMA's FAULT! Good party Republicans should read their e-hate-mail... or listen more closely to their AM-hate-radio.
...in the right corner, wearing human face masks and black trunks over tiny dicks under large codpieces, we have Newt (the serial adulterer and faux intellectual) Gingrich and his partner Bobby the (her dead did a complete 360 during the exorcism) Jindal. What a team!
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