Frank Schaeffer Warns Against the Latest Threats From the Religious Right to President Obama
It's too bad Rachel Maddow isn't on MSNBC a bit earlier in the evening. There is not another show on cable television doing the type of reporting and muckraking she is night after night and some of the best interviews as well--tonight's interview with Frank Schaeffer being no exception. Rachel reports on the lastest round of attacks coming from the religious right against President Obama, this time with the use of Psalm 109:8 as reported by the Christian Science Monitor.
Biblical anti-Obama slogan: Use of Psalm 109:8 funny or sinister?
There’s a new slogan making its way onto car bumpers and across the Internet. It reads simply: “Pray for Obama: Psalm 109:8”
A nice sentiment?
Maybe not.
The psalm reads, “Let his days be few; and let another take his office.”
Presidential criticism through witty slogans is nothing new. Bumper stickers, t-shirts, and hats with “1/20/09” commemorated President Bush’s last day in office.
But the verse immediately following the psalm referenced is a bit more ominous: “Let his children be fatherless, and his wife a widow.”
Here's Rachel's take.
MADDOW: And then there's this, a Biblical quote making the rounds in anti-Obama circles, as reported this week in The Christian Science Monitor: Pray For President Obama - Psalm 109 Verse 8. What's Psalm 109:8? Well, it reads 'Let His Days Be Few, And Let Another Take His Office.' Let his days be few. Uh, it's followed immediately by another verse: 'Let His Children Be Fatherless, And His Wife A Widow.'
And don't forget, that sentiment is now being merchandized on bumper stickers, on mouse pads, on teddy bears, on aprons, framed tiles - those are nice - keepsake boxes, T-shirts. Let his days be few, ha, ha, on a teddy bear. Is anybody else creeped out by this?
Frank Schaeffer joined Rachel to weigh in. Video and transcript below the fold.
MADDOW: Joining us now is Frank Schaeffer, whose father Francis Schaeffer helped shape the evangelical movement in the United States. Mr. Schaeffer grew up in the religious far-right. He's the author of 'Patience With God: Faith For People Who Don't Like Religion Or Atheism. Mr. Schaeffer, thanks very much for coming back on the show.
SCHAEFFER: Thanks for having me on.
MADDOW: Let his days be few and let another take his office. Let his children be fatherless and his wife a widow. This is such strong language in secular terms about President Obama. Can you tell me if this means something less threatening to people hearing this in a Biblical context?
SCHAEFFER: No actually it means something more threatening. I think that the situation that I find genuinely frightening right now is that you have a ramping up of biblical language, language from the anti-abortion movement, for instance, death panels, and this sort of thing, and what it's coalescing into is branding Obama as Hitler, as they have already called him, as something foreign to our shores -we're reminded of that, he was 'born in Kenya' - as Brown, as Black, above all, as not us. He is Sarah Palin's 'not a real American.'
But now, it turns out, that he joins the ranks of the unjust kings of ancient Israel, unjust rulers, to which all these Biblical allusions are directed, who should be slaughtered, if not by God, then by just men.
So there's a direct parallel here with Timothy McVeigh's T-shirt on the day of the Oklahoma City bombing, in which he said that the 'tree of liberty had to be watered occasionally by the blood of tyrants' and that quote we saw again at a meeting at which Obama was present being carried on a placard by someone carrying a loaded weapon.
What we're looking at right now is two things going on. We see the evangelical groups that I talk about in my new book, 'Patience With God,' enthralled by an apocalyptic vision that I go into in some detail in there. They represent the millions of people who have turned the 'Left Behind' series into best-sellers. Most of them are not crazy, they're just deluded. But there is a crazy fringe to whom all these little messages that have been pouring out of Fox News, now on a bumper sticker, talking about doing away with Obama, asking God to kill him...
Really, this is trawling for assassins. And this is serious business. It's un-American, it's unpatriotic, and it goes to show that the religious right, the Republican far-right, have coalesced into a group that truly wants American revolution, and if it turns out to be blood in the streets and death, so be it. This is not funny stuff any more. They cannot be dismissed as just crazies on the fringe. It only takes one.
You know look at the Boston Globe article a few weeks ago saying that the threat level faced by the Secret Service has gone up 400% higher than any other time in fifty two years for any president, Democrat or Republican—these are no jokes and as I talk about in Patience With God, if you trace these origins back to this paranoid, deluded evangelical group of which me and my father sadly were not only members but leaders in the ‘70’s and ‘80’s, the foot soldiers that people like Dick Armey and others are using now to push their political agenda to undo health care are also people that have within their ranks people such as the person who murdered Dr. Tiller and killed three police officers in Pittsburg because they thought Obama would take away their guns. This bumper sticker simply says to them “It’s open season”.
MADDOW: And, to be clear, I mean, over-the-top political criticism is as American as apple pie, and incredibly intense criticism has been leveled at George W. Bush and against every President that's gone before him in modern times, but you're saying that there is essentially a religious inflection in the most extreme of the commentary against Obama that's operating on a religious level, that's a signal to a religiously-minded audience.
SCHAEFFER: Absolutely. Look. This is the American version of the Taliban. The Taliban quotes the Qu'ran, and al Qaeda quotes certain verses in the Qu'ran, in or out of context, calling for jihad, and bloody war, and the curse of Allah on infidels. This is the Old Testament, Biblical equivalent of calling for holy war. Now, most Americans'll just see the bumper sticker and smile and think that it's facetious. Unfortunately, there are 22 million Americans or so who call themselves super-conservative evangelicals. Of this, a small minority might be violent. But, the general atmosphere here is really getting heated.
And what surprises me is that responsible, if you can put it that way, Republican leadership and the editors of some of these Christian magazines, etc. etc., do not stand up in holy horror and denounce this. You know, they're always asking 'Where is the Islamic leadership denouncing terrorism? Why aren't the moderates speaking out?' Well, I challenge the folks who I used to work with that I talk about in my book Patience With God and I would just say to them: 'Where the hell are you? This is not funny anymore. And be it on your head if something happens to our President if you are going to go around supporting and not speaking out against this stuff. It’s not just a question of who’s doing it. The bigger question is where are the people speaking out against these things? I don’t hear those voices raised in the evangelical fundamentalist community and until I do I am, my opinion is they’re culpable and one last thing on this.
And I…one last thing on this—I think it points up the fact that Obama supporters of which I have been one since he began running had better start speaking up in support of him and not sniping at him all the time because he’s not moving towards change as fast as we’d like in every area. This is serious stuff. The chips are down. He has real enemies, some of them are violent and as far as I’m concerned it’s time to support our president and stand with him and not only wish him the best, but as a believing Christian myself, pray for his safety in the face of these religious maniacs who every day, you know, one time I was on your show a while back and they were talking about is he the anti-Christ, now they’re saying he’s an unjust ruler and they’re asking god to strike him down. There are not very many steps left on this insane path.
I do not agree with Schaeffer that we need to get behind the President on policy matters we don't agree with but he's absolutely right that we do need to get behind him when it comes to pushing back against this sort of hate filled rhetoric.
h/t Hissyspitting for part of the transcript.




years. Go fuck yourself mr chenny! What we in America need is a fair trial followed by you spending the rest of your miserable life in a jail cell!
The republican party is suffering from mass insanity. I don't know if it is self inflicted, or if it was accidental! But it has happened. The leaders of the party each and everyone of them are stark raving mad. Why would sane people vote for these people that display their insanity like a badge of honor. You think not? Look at any of the sunday bobble head shows and listen to what mccain, or mcconell, or bond, or boner, it is purely insane dribble. They lie, and they know they are lying!
I am telling you that republicanism/conservatism is a mental illness that is killing America!
...of Matthew 25:40.
"...'Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.'"
Or one of my favorite Ghandi quotes:
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."
little more than sloth and ignorance in this nation for decades and passing it off as “education” I don't think they would "get it".
for sharing both of these quotes... I too really like the one from Gandhi... excellent! and I concur wholeheartedly with them both.
I think these so-called x-ians are posers; fakers who spew the words and have no idea what they mean. Christ never advocated what these people do while saying they follow his teachings. I personally think he'd be appalled at what humans have done in "his name".
that there will only be 144,000 chosen.
health care reform, and what started the whole debate was my stating that Jesus would be appalled at how we treat the very old, very young and less fortunate among us and this woman was offended by my comment. I guess I said something about her God she didn't like. She's a republican, but wouldn't admit it but you can tell these things talking to these people. Very very uninformed about what she was spouting off at me and could care less about facts. I guess I found your comment about Jesus being appalled is why I wrote this.
If they can make you believe absurdities, they can make you commit attrocities.
My other favorite Ghandi quote:
When asked what he thought of Western Civilization, Ghandi replied, "I think it would be a good idea."
Democracy is too important to be entrusted to politicians.
Rise Up!
Protest!
"When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."
As I said at Bob Cescas blog earlier today on this same topic, these people are not Christians. Their entire religeous motivation is based off of the angriest bits of the OT and the book of revelations. I suggest that they are revelationists motivated by revenge and death, their Jesus is an anti-Jesus (or even an anti-Christ)that is called republican Jesus.
When angry, count four, when very angry, swear.
-Mark Twain-
"America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between." ~ Oscar Wilde
"If the US government enforced its banking laws like it did its park regulations, we wouldn't be
in this damn park in the first place." OCCUPY.!!
The right wingnuts don't have much use for the New Testament except for Revelations: all that turn-the-other-cheek stuff is for wussies.
I occasionally watch bits of the many evangelical TV programs, just to stay in touch with what they're preaching (always good to know thine enemy).
I have hardly ever heard any of them preach, quote or talk about much in the New Testament - except at Christmas or Easter, when of course, jeebus is highlighted as the star of the show. They mostly use the early books of Old to reinforce their notions of power and control as exemplified by a cruel and unforgiving gawd.
"Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of Stupidity" - Frank Leahy
Since the late 1970s (in my experience) fundamentalist Xtianity has put a wide distance between itself and the New Testament - too socialistic for their taste, I think, plus the whole "love thy brother" & golden rule stuff is passe. Bring on the old time religion of the judgemental hell-fire jealous god of the Old Testament.
Rarely (thankfully) I am forced to attend church with my fundie, teabagging family. It's nearly all Old Testament all the time. Jesus is mentioned only when the pray, and these days they don't even do it much then.
As Lew Black said: "The God of the Old Testament is a prick"
If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders.
George Carlin
~
Corruption favors the wealthy.
it's time that the authorities start profiling evangelical xianist death cultists. It's only a matter of time before one of them commits another terrorist act like Oklahoma City or the assassination of Dr. Tiller.
I think I'm turning Japanese, I think I'm turning Japanese, I really think so.....
I stopped referring to myself as a Christian and stopped going to church. There is no bottom to the depravity of so-called "christians" who are actually racists masquerading as god-fearing people. It's a sickness.
I used to be more tolerant of Christianity and religion. Not any more. I'm becoming more like Richard Dawkins in that I have no tolerance for religion. Even as a hobby, it is as dangerously delusional as a drug habit.
Jesus taught a way of life for the individual to follow, a morality to apply to everyday life.
SOME "Christians" actually understand that and practice it.
However, those so-called "Christians" who use their "religion" to demonize others are not even trying to follow Jesus' teachings.
That form of "Christianity" is not a religion - it is a cult.
Democracy is too important to be entrusted to politicians.
Rise Up!
Protest!
uncomfortable dinner guests (putting it nicely)? isn't that how the robertsons view muslims despite the fact that not all are fanatics?
All religion and other forms of imagination need to be stopped. Now.
You'll never take my Tooth Fairy, you bastard.
...and I've since stayed completely away from the church. But I do remember one important lesson from Sunday school: To suggest that you can somehow command or direct God's will is to take the Lord's name in vain. Vanity--get it? People always confuse that one for cursing, but actually every time you see someone with a sign that says, "God Hates Fags," or "Pray for Obama, Psalm 109:8," you're actually seeing these so-called "Christians" committing sin. It's kinda' sad, really.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIaORknS1Dk
me-oww!
Yes - an important distinction which Christians seldom grasp. The 4th Commandment is to prohibit "wrongful use" of the name of God, or to prevent invocation of God's name for selfish purposes. Cursing it is not. Blasphemy, in the Cristian tradition, is more encompassing - and includes irreverence for the name of God, including cursing.
And using the Bible for bait.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
this is bad....very very bad.
Agreed.
or as scarlet letters marking "no go" zones
i have yet to see one display, and i am always in the search for new bumper stickers when in traffic; but then again, it was a while before i actually saw the buck fush stickers as well, not to mention the rare, but always inappropriate, "car balls".
There was a great one I saw around DC when Kerry and Edwards were running.
It read "It'll take TWO Johns to flush the crap out of the White House."
and a bottle of red paint to 'em.
I relish the first opportunity I'll have to ask one of these yahoos "Why do you hate America?"
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
What are car balls?
"If the US government enforced its banking laws like it did its park regulations, we wouldn't be
in this damn park in the first place." OCCUPY.!!
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_V2-0sMmaIk4/SXIiOzN...
Oh my friggin'... Bob!! (only a redkeck... )
Words simply escape me. Tasteless and stupid rubbish...
"If the US government enforced its banking laws like it did its park regulations, we wouldn't be
in this damn park in the first place." OCCUPY.!!
They used to pull you over in parts of MS if you had car balls. People bitched.
I think the "O" shit bumper stickers are clever. I also loved the "M The Moron" stickers that imitated the "W the president" stickers.
would help. We could pay off $14 Trillion in 3 years.
Palin advocates profiling people who are interested in harming Americans. Seems to me that the government should thus feel free to profile any of these white, right-wing, gun-toting extremists and follow their activities closely! It's best to keep an eye on anyone who advocates assassinating a president or killing a 9-year-old girl.
Don't think the Secret Service and the FBI aren't doing exactly that. The law prohibits them from moving in on them in a pre-emptive manner, but believe me, they're watching. These idiots think they're flying under the radar with this crap because it's supposedly "coded". Such is the arrogant naivete of the right wing.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
They claim to be followers of Christ, who's statements & teachings were VERY different. Ever hear of Loving Ones Enemy as Thyself? I guess they hate themselves and wish their own days were "numbered"
The Evangelical Movement of the early 1800's decided the ENTIRE BIBLE is the Word Of God - regardless the contradictions between the Old Testament and the New.
.. idiots ..
Democracy is too important to be entrusted to politicians.
Rise Up!
Protest!
the many contradictions and inaccuracies within the old testament itself.
I think I'm turning Japanese, I think I'm turning Japanese, I really think so.....
hey mountainman23 i read your post from last night's open thread. thanks for that article from commondreams.org.............i've had this conversation with many, regarding the cause and effect of subsidized corn into mexico and the social effects/migration of people to mexico city to work in factories for u.s. companies and heading north into the u.s. as part of the strategic "cheap labor" movement. thanks again.
I quoted the Lord's Prayer once - mostly as a reminder to myself to be more generous and respectful than the other person ... a 'real' Christian ... was being to myself and others in a forum, and their response was:
HOW DARE YOU QUOTE SCRIPTURE TO ME!
Reminds me of the old Star Trek episode, where they find a parallel Earth in which the Communists won, and the Americans have regressed to a primitive, tribal society. When Kirk starts to talk about American history, the tribal chief angrily objects:
THOSE ARE HOLY WORDS! YOU SHALL NOT SPEAK THEM!
Jesus is so extreme in his inconvenience that there's no way they could ever listen to him. They have to throw him out, excepting a very few of his sayings that can be twisted into aggressive terms. He's basically been reduced to a hood ornament on their Holy Roller bandwagon - he's stuck out in front all bright and shiny so they can wave him around, but he has nothing to do with the engine that runs their beliefs.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
He's a mascot.
to display something like this.
is you can observe images of people transmitted across spectrum and reproduced on a screen instead of confronting the real deal.
yeah. That's kinda the point.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
Speaking of Militias and the Christian Right. Why on earth is CNN still giving a voice to that Militia Postal Worker, portraying him as a regular guy who sits down for dinner with his family? These ppl are dangerous and giving them air time as one of the guys is not hard hitting journalism
Generates lot's of ad revenue from Swanson's TV dinners.
It's not about "journalism". It's about ratings and ad revenue.
when you deregulate the airwaves and rescind the rules concerning news departments. There is no "news" on American television anymore, just propaganda.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
at what point does all this mudslinging and vociferous outrage by the right become treason? Seriously... I'm curious at what point all of this desire to depose the President becomes an act of treason.
as long as trans national corporate persons can move capital freely around the globe in search of the LOWEST labor costs the righties will be packaged by the media for daily consumption in one form or another.
It has become that a long time ago. The problem is that our "government" does not have the balls to do anything until someone gets killed. Unless of course that the ones getting killed are our fine soldiers and then our "government" sends more and more to the slaughter.
to do anything even when that happens. Look at Dr. Tiller's case. There should have been a huge crackdown on anti-abortion groups, rightwing pundits, etc. Was there? Of course not.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
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We have surrendered our passion for freedom to the acquisition of stuff. We cannot even mount a decent opposition to wars that are destroying what little we have left in our treasury or to resist the oligarchy that has taken over our electoral process.
that this shit keeps going.
No, I am not amazed. The religious right wing thugs have nothing to do with religion. They have everything to do with hatred and bigotry.
TIC, TIC, TIC.
they're also all about making money... taking their believers' cash and using it to afford the lifestyles they think they so richly deserve...
with the wingnut ownership of so much of our media, the insane gun laws that allow just anybody to purchase as many murder weapons as possible, and this is what you get. Par for the course.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
I agree with this guy. Where are the republican leaders and why aren't they trying to tamp this shit down? Is it because they are so desperate for their votes they are willing to let them do any crazy shit they please? Or is it because they agree with them?
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
that there are no moderates anymore in the rethug base. The base consists of right wing christian dim-witted inbred rednecks.
Maybe it's because they want it to happen??
that's it.........they don't want much if any bipartisanship. they got this far and don't want to lose momentum. lawmakers now have ambitions to be a high powered lobbyist. it's like going from triple
AAA baseball to the big leagues. although, it's been obvious for sometime the last 10 yrs. have been telling corporations/global elites want war/Imperialism. they want us out of the decision making process. the propaganda is thick and distasteful. you look at how the BUSH administration didn't allow bodies of troops to be viewed at dover by the public......just propaganda to keep us out of the process. i'm really sick of it.
I'd like to think I understand why BHO has pushed biparisanship so hard - in an effort to show his bona fides and willingness to collaborate. But all that's resulted is a bunch of nasty jerks - many of them cowards who never served in the military or adulterers (not that I care about that, it's just that these hypocrits like to spout off constantly about family values) - screaming NO!, lying outrageously (no attempt at being subtle), and offering no solutions of their own.
It's clear that the corporations want an ongoing Republican or conservative or teabagger control over the money, and frankly the citizens can go eff themselves.
Look, Bush never won in 2000, and it's questionable if he won in 2004. BHO only got in because he really got out the vote; he stated clearly that would be the ONLY way he could win is if a huge portion of the population voted, so that the scummy voter fraud tricks couldn't work this time around.
It's clear that these scum will say or do anything, anything at all, to stay in power. Right now the game is played by having the corporate whores, like Rush & weird Glenn, do their tricks on radio and tv, and then the other fake "news" stations endlessly "discuss" this b.s. as if was something "real." It's not. It's phoney, ginned up nonsense meant to DISTRACT from any real discussion about real issues.
That the corporations are willing to entertain ANYTHING to get meet their needs, up to and including violence, is patently obvious. Discussing these types of ersatz "christians" as if they were some kind of real religion is now stupid and mug's game.
These organizations, including the Catholic Church, should be taxed to the hilt. They are political organizations out to push a political agenda, while protecting their own (ie, pederasts in the Catholic Church, and adulterers in the C Street Family).
They don't want to give up the power and the money, and clearly they're willing to do whatever it takes.
i've wanted to believe that obama's intentions regarding bipartisanship was to tip the scale the other way if you will from the "individualism" philosophy to a somewhat more "collective" thought.........people have been divided by clever social engineering (divide and conquer)......i believe he's well aware of this and is trying to intervene. the every person for themselves has become a weakness. just a thought.
Be careful what you pretend to be, because you are what you pretend to be.
-- Kurt Vonnegut
We are what we repeatedly do. (Excellence, therefore, is not a virtue, but a habit.)
-- Aristotle
"We are what we repeatedly do."
Then I'm a pot smoker.
And that's excellent!
"We are what we repeatedly do."
Damn. Guess that makes me a whack-off.
a pot smoking wack off the peak of human existence?
Cowering. These are the people that vote them into office. You really think they're going to do anything about this? Most of them agree with these yahoos anyway, and would love to see some drooling troglodyte take the President down.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
is grass if i see that little slogan. so help me jeebus.
ditto
Cue the Kabuki....
I shall be carrying a little can of black paint around in my bag, for use on any car I see with this hateful piece of shit stuck on it.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
the Family would find such overt signs of rightwing intentions to be bad strategy...
How odd that this particular Psalm sat on the books (as it were) for a couple thousand years or so. But now -- and only now -- is it seen as relevant scripture by these religious wack-jobs. Can you imagine the outrage if someone suggested it be applied to Bush and Dick when they were in office?
Anyone would said it would've had their asses hauled in for questioning. IOKIYAR, after all.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
religion.../eyeroll
Fundamentalism - *eyeroll*
Insanity knows no boundaries of faith/not-faith. Remember, Stalin was an atheist.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
You just know there is more than one lunatic out there cleaning his gun and thinking he could be a "hero".
CNN did a story about The Oath Keepers this morning and showed what frightening people they are. As they talked to some of them it became crystal clear to me that their mission is Glenn Beck's mission. I don't know which came first, The Oath Keepers or Beck's show, but they are now speaking the same words and stacking on the same insane fears to people who will listen.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
because they will lose.
everyone and everything they love.
Rational minds do consider those things but these are clearly not rational people.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
start new wars and keep the general population in conflict with each other.
If not the most valuable tool.
Maybe, but it certainly is the "opiate of the masses" and distracts from the real war - the CLASS WAR.
Nestle Baking said Tuesday that it expects a shortage of its canned Libby’s Pumpkin.
5...4...3...2...1...
Remember they put a tax on pumpkins-- non-food item? So lots of farmers probably didn't grow them this year, as sales dropped. Just a theory.
"If the US government enforced its banking laws like it did its park regulations, we wouldn't be
in this damn park in the first place." OCCUPY.!!
Remember they put a tax on pumpkins-- non-food item? Maybe fewer farmers planted this year.
"If the US government enforced its banking laws like it did its park regulations, we wouldn't be
in this damn park in the first place." OCCUPY.!!
Their pumpkin patches weren't considered sincere enough by the Great Pumpkin.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
the republican party refuses to allow "moderate" members/philosophy. this perpetual political propaganda was very effective just prior and during the BUSH administration. so it continues. the republicans have little to no intentions of collective/social protection/help for "we the people". the global elites/oligarchs and their corporate militia will not let up. i think there's a concern that the "we the people" could rise as a collective but the nonsense propaganda continues to fragment/divide people. the FEAR formula rules the day.
the Elites got it made.
Left, Right, Wingnuts, Moonbats, etc, etc, (choose your label) dropped their differences and grievances and unified then the elites would be truly terrified.
with the Psalm?
"The deal has to be negotiated in the real world, not on some idealized Aristotelian plane. We understand that. A 100-percent deal may be impossible."
Famous "Reality Based" Commentator
If I have I didn't know what it meant so I paid no attention to it. Of course I pay little attention to most bumper stickers unless they are clever and there aren't many of those around these days.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
... found at least one CafePress store with it and a bunch of other Obama-hating crap.
I will bet Maddow's show has just made it a popular item as the right picks up on it and promotes it while belittling her.
"The deal has to be negotiated in the real world, not on some idealized Aristotelian plane. We understand that. A 100-percent deal may be impossible."
Famous "Reality Based" Commentator
Psalm 109 is kind of long. According to this academic journal article
http://www.jstor.org/stable/542590?seq=1
in lines 6-19 of Psalm 109, the writer was actually referring to curses that his adversaries lodged against him. So the full context turns the Christian right-wingers point on its head--they're actually advocating that Obama's critics be destroyed.
Proving once again that for the anti-Obama crowd, the devil is in the details.
... with whom do the Christian right identify? True, the cited verse seems to suggest these are the wishes of David's enemies, but as the passage proceeds, it nonetheless seems as if these are David's entreaties of the Lord.
I think it's clear that any serious student of the Bible would NOT use Psalm 109 in this manner. It is, instead, being forwarded by the people in whom hatred has taken root, that they can no longer recognize the Word of God or distinguish it from their own vitriol.
is their favorite pastime. Most of them have never actually read their book; they just nod in stupid agreement with whatever some preacher tells them.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
This is just another supporting reason for classifying religion as a mental illness.
..what's the difference? They both defy logic.
"When one man is delusional, they call him crazy.
When a group of people are delusional, they call it religion."
Robert Pirsig
they can put it in the blank spot in the DSM where they deleted "homosexuality"
the scientific mindset is a mental disease because it led to the development of the atom bomb.
People are people, and some of them will always be hateful, evil fuckheads, whether there is religion or not. Religion is just a handy scapegoat. It's the fundamentalist attitude - THERE IS ONLY ONE KIND OF TRUTH EVERYTHING ELSE IS INSANE HORSESHIT - that creates the problems. Remember, Stalin was an atheist, too.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
I sense the danger the same way Schaeffer does. But I don't think it's being taken too seriously in Progressive and Liberal circles. At least seriously enough to respond. Have WE or anyone consequential on OUR SIDE made it publicly clear that if the Rapturous thugs even think of assassinating our duly elected President or Congressmembers and launching an insurrection - they will be met FULL FORCE? And destroyed as a political force?
to soft but then again the way things are our government would probably send out the storm troopers to beat up any Progressive and Liberals hassling those poor lil' innocent fundies.
... that the guilty party be tried according to our laws. If found guilty, punished accordingly.
Cowards and terrorists of any stripe - Islamic, Christian, Republican - the law has the answer for you. We refuse to live in fear.
No Cafe Press thong with this quote on it? Deviant bastards!
Before enlightenment - chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment - chop wood, carry water.
If you had you would be thankful for the consumer friendly merchandise decisions made over there at Cafe Press.
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It makes it easy to spot retards and superstitious assholes from a distance before I actually have to interact with them directly.
Hard to believe the war on Christmas is here again.
Seems like only yesterday...
That was a simple time. We'd all sit around the fire, roasting marshmallows and singing carols. I think the war on Christmas has lost some of its meaning. It's become too commercialized.
I say bring back the war on Christmas like it used to be.
many of us know what it was like in the front lines of the war on Christmas. We risked our evenings confronting nasty village officials trying to erect Mangers on the public square and thus infuriate those of us who ferociously disbelieve.
I remember best the cold winter of '06 when we had to walk over the uneven ground of the mall parking lot to monitor the language of the pensioners working as store greeters to make sure there were no Son of God slogans hidden in the inflection with which they bleated "Happy Holidays."
Fond memories? It was hell, I tell you. Pure hell. War is hell.
There is no hell.
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Wed, 11/18/2009 - 09:03 — curtilingus
Hard to believe the war on Christmas is here again.
Seems like only yesterday...
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Diabolus est Deus Inversus
I truly find Frank Schaeffer to be one of the most valuable and important voices in exposing the religious rightwing.
I just wish his audience expanded beyond MSNBC and HuffPo
Baptist minister to me. I wonder if you are3 left with the lingering scent one friend once described as "Eau de Baptiste" after your shake his hand.
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We'd better begin to group together again and support the Pres. Like Frank says, this is heading to a very dark place for America.
Well that's a tough pill to swallow because Obama does not seem to be pursuing the best interests of the country either.
Where do we go from there?
Down
He may as well just force people by law to buy sh*t because no matter what he says people are not spending the kind of money we need to keep this economy liquid.
He's trying that with Health Care though.
you stop whining about your little agenda and start thinking about the country as a whole? I've got things I'm not happy about, but I don't piss on Obama because he can't get things done. It's the fucking Rethugs and Blue Dogs that are making the work impossible.
I'm totally sick of this "he isn't doing what I want, so I'm just gonna whine" bullshit. Grow up and act like an adult. The world is not your sandbox to order as you see fit. Work with what you have, don't spend your time crying about what you don't.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
You are in denial.
My opinion is not exactly over the top and it is shared by many progressives. He has systematically gone back on all his campaign promises and gone even further than Bush on some issues such as illegal detention. The health care debate is over and now we have a poisoned bill. he continues to favor business interests over real reform.
Where does your hope lie these days?
THANK YOU for proving my point. It's people like you that keep anything real from getting done. WAH WAH WAH I'M TAKING MY BALL AND GOING HOME. Great going, Sparky. Way to pitch in for the team.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
the left and progressives that might be a possibility.
Because "[t]his really is getting scary".
Isn't that exactly how we got into Iraq?
Corruption favors the wealthy.
Thank you fiver. Better said than I could.
zazzle dot com is one website that sells these bumper stickers etc. that company is run largely by former fox executives.
http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/28/zazzle-b...
coincidence? i report. you decide.
To finance a dot.com that produces bumper stickers on line?
Oh man that's just what we need to get the economy booming again.
industry is run and dominated by money hungry Sociopaths. But hey at least they believe it's better to fight wars and shoot people on a computer then in real life. I'll give them credit for that.
article on which this is based. Besides revealing how much of Maddow's on script was lifted verbatim form her source, the article does nothing to describe anyone or anything behind this biblical slogan. The author instead cites three examples of its use on Twitter for FSM sakes. What a frightening movement.
http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/2009/1...
Has anybody contacted Cafe Press to find out who is marketing the slogan through them?
Has anybody scrolled through Cafe Press to find other examples of outrageous slogans of all varieties?
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We trust you have done that for us ricky.
..there are lots of steps left on this insane path?
"kill 'em all and let god sort'em out"
does less to elevate serious discussion about real threats from the right than it does to point our the countervailing pinheadedness among some on the left and boost sales of the stupid Psalm paraphenalia.
I haven't been to Cafe Press because I am not writing or posting about the issue. I am, as one contributor once called me "an anonymous commenter." I did go there once to acquire my Pastafarian paraphenalia, but that was long ago when the noodle first moved me through carbo bliss.
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the sheer volume of this rhetoric (and merchandise) makes it a very serious subject and worthy of discussion.
it would take a while just to review the thongs.
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http://www.newkabbalah.com/adam.html
http://www.ferretpress.com/weblog/uploaded_im...
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
If the Christ came back and saw what was being done in his name he'd never be able to stop throwing up.
Let's see how far to the right they go before they fall off of the edge of this flat world.
... to a point, yes. Otherwise, you're making the same mistake the evangelicals do, ascribing human reactions and views to God.
A God of infinite wisdom, just and merciful ... but intolerant of human stupidity, even in His name?
How long did it take? How many tries did it take before he/she got it right? Were there only seven days for him/her to pick from when deciding when to rest? Did he/she finish before resting like God, or take a break in the middle like someone with a union contract? Was there a gender to be concerned with?
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..the process is complete!?!
that is the paradigm through which most believers in God are taught. I actually do not act at all. I flow.
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... just don't look behind you.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
I have no front, behind, or side. Which is why I am neither to your left, your right, or in between.
But that is not important. I want to know if the guy( or gal or thing) that created God has designated an extra damned day we get to take off.
Update: Damn fine photo link fiver. There are G's in gravity and God.
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The first Monday in September.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
for a Thursday myself. She is quite a kidder to have picked a day we already had.
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Cool pic. OK, you hard-core surfers out there - where is this? Waimea? Todos Santos? Cloudbreak?
I gots no clue.
Wal Mart parking lot.
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