Ed Show: Myth Information-- Aaron Carroll on the Health Care Reform Myths
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Ed Schultz goes through the poll numbers that show just how badly so many Americans are buying into the outright lies on health care/insurance reform that are being put out there. There needs to be a real debate about just what's actually potentially going into these bills where the public is going to end up on the short end of the stick and put at the mercy of the health insurance companies without the distraction of having to debunk this other nonsense as well.
Ed talks to Aaron Carroll, author of Don't Swallow Your Gum!: Myths, Half-Truths, and Outright Lies About Your Body and Health to talk about the hurdles with overcoming that misinformation.
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Just how fucking stupid republicans are!
These people are just fucking nuts.
republicanism is a mental illness!
Don't want a public option..
They never put single payer or public option ON THE TABLE from the start.
The democrat have not even try to explain a public option and what benefits would come from it..
There is something VERY STRANGE when you have over 75 % of Americans which wanted a public option and now they claim it's not the majority.
Democrats were paid to d... well by this Health Empire to let a public option get into the bill..
Have you listen the the double talk coming from Obama which was for the public option before he was against it..
The only purpose of this Corporate Health Bill they are going to ramp down our throat is TO gives the private insurance their list of demands ,, they stated when they meet with the 6 REPUBLICANS.(There were no democrats there just the blue dogs..)
This is the same BS as the Iraq War. Treason. Torture.. Illegally spying.. Giving trillions of our tax dollars to the Banking Empire and so on,,,,,They are using bait and switch with plenty of BS>>
Democrats said they could not pass bills for Americans because ----First they were the minority , then they only had control of the house , now they have to be bipartisan ,,, let the republicans pick and choose our policies.. If this isn't BS tell me was is...
I thought we voted the republicans out of office , but looking at the blue dogs , centrists and Obama they are wagging their tails behind the policies of Bush And Cheney..
Bush -- Cheney's 3rd term...
No, the Dems are nuts. In this Healthcare debate, it is the Republicans that have led the way with the real issues facing the big government approach that Obama and company want. Heck, Obama cannot show how he intends to pay for it all.
The last time I checked the GOP had not shown any initiative to have a written alternative to the Healthcare Bill of the Democratic Party. If they do have anything in either House lets see it.
It's so hard to spit truth when sheep just listen to whatever they're told.
Plus, just like any good sheep rancher, its always best to keep the sheep listening and happy while you shear them for all they have to.
The people that buy into these lies don't know it but they are being taken for a ride.
We got more important things to worry about....like football season. Priorities, people!
XOurX democrat leaders have more important things to do then give Americans a public health bill they Might live with..
They really put the public option on the table from the very first and had no intention of doing it... and,,, they have not explain what is in the Health bill.
Without a public option you have the same d... health insurance you have today.. Except it would make you join and pay what they demand.
They claim it will Make everyone buy health insurance.
It will "cut" $150 million from Medicare from duplicate tests (bs).
They will not let Americans shop/buy in other countries for cheaper drugs. and they will tell the doctor which drugs they may or may not prescribe for patients..
We keep doing this to our self... We had Kucinich or Dean running for president and they would have not back down from any Elephant..
We voted the blue dogs into office.. We reelected Pelosi and Reid.
We need to vote the a... out of office... They have become arrogant , greedy and have too many ties to these Global Empires..
We talk about one issue at a time and let the other go..
What about the Iraq war,,, What about the illegal spying, what about the treason and torture , What about the Patriot Act Bill,, What about renegotiating the Free Trade Bill which has sent ONLY American jobs , no wonder other countries say no for renegotiating it.
Obama has turn around on all of these issues..
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promi...
I campaigned for Kucinich first, then backed Obama when it became clear he was the only real alternative to McCain. I absolutely could not vote for McCain, and NOT just because of Palin.
I do not support Pelosi OR Reid, and I am completely disgusted by most of the other politicians currently infesting our nation's capitol. Bleh.
I remain an activist with one primary goal: to stop the corporatists who have usurped our nation, and clean up politics so that these uber wealthy contributors do not own our representatives.
I fear it's too late to effect change, but the probable revolution will inevitably shake things up tremendously.
I am with you. I loved the idea of a Democratic 8 years to try to straighten out the mess of Bushco. I feel great passion for a Healthcare Bill that is the same as the one the Congress has and as far as I can see it is good to go IF we as a people fed up withthe fuckups of the past get our shit together and really fight for it. We the people can do it just don't put up with the BS from the GOP and their guides; Limbaugh, O'reilly, Beck, Savage and Dobbs.
to be said, about fair elections? Did I vote Mitch Bitch back in? No I did not, and I doubt very seriously I voted for Bush either, nor Did I vote for most of these people who seem to mysteriously have a FULL 50 YEAR career in politics and in the senate, in the house, makes you wonder after a while, the scandals, the deals being made behind closed doors.
What do I keep reading about? Dynasties, Political families, names here and there all of them in the "know". Seems pretty RIGGED if you ask me.
Stop believing you have any kind of say in who gets elected. Kucinich was removed from view as soon as they recognized he had the truth and the ideas and the BALLS to carry it out. Marginalized over a stupid story about UFOs. WHAT?
What I do remember from experience is without a FAIR and BALANCED Media nothing is remotely fair and balanced, muchless politics.
This is actually worse than the lead up to Iraq where fear was used. It's part of it but not close to the same.
It's worse now because Big Whore Media are able to get otherwise normal people to act out on this that have never done such things before.
This has happened quickly.
It's time to call this like it is-more than just propaganda this is all out brainwashing and it's working.
If the dims would scream out the lies all the time every time it would help.
Look the fuck out!
You're absolutely right. Propaganda is the ONLY issue in the United States right now. And the corporate interests that own the propaganda machine will not stop until they have it all.
Read 'The Shock Doctrine' to see how Milton Friedman's corportist-fascist philosophy has been exported to completely divestate 3rd world countries by privatizing the commons and getting rid of social programs--it's happening here, it's happening now.
My brother had his appendix out when he was 12 and I was 7. He told me that if I swallowed my gum it would stick in my appendix and I'd have to go to the hospital too.
here's some facts that show where we are headed without health care cost reform:
1) more employees are reducing health care benefit/coverage
2) health care cost will continue to rise about/ at least 6% a yr. it will double in cost in 10 yrs.
the employer-based system has two major weaknesses. First, and most obviously, it means keeping your health insurance is dependent on keeping your job. That means that your health is only insured to the extent that your job is insured -- and your job isn't insured. If you lose your job, or get a divorce from the spouse whose employer covers you, you have to find a new employer who offers a health plan, or you will be stuck in the individual market. Alternatively, if you get sick, you may be stuck in your job, no matter how much you may want or need to leave it.
Second, employers are dropping their health plans; the percentage of people covered through an employer has dropped from 64 percent in 2000 to 59 percent in 2007, and that decline is likely to accelerate. Why? Because, according to a Kaiser Family Foundation survey, the average annual premium for family coverage has already increased from $5,791 in 1999 to $12,680 in 2008 -- a 9 percent annual increase -- and a study published in Health Affairs forecasts that national health spending will grow at an average annual rate of 6.7 percent until 2017. Arithmetically, with each year that passes, it becomes harder for companies to keep their health plans without reducing benefits, reducing wages or increasing employee contributions to health plans.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/...
My niece just responded to an email I sent (What Is Single Payer Health Care And Why Is It The Only Possible Solution?? from The Pen) with the following comments:
1) The big pharmaceuticals (she is a chemist for one of the largest) "give" massive quantities ("millions") of necessary drugs to the elderly and poor.
and
2) "The examples of single-payer systems in other countries do not impress me. The people in Canada I have met have told me that their taxes are about 60%. I am concerned that trusting the government to keep costs low is counter to what they have proven that they are interested in: increasing programs, and increasing the size of government. I do not want this."
I just responded to her email with a snippet from Canada's own Revenue Agency website, which completely refutes the "60%" assertion, but I would bet that she will not accept that fact, nor will she embrace single payer health care (or, indeed, any other kind of health care reform--she has a 'health savings account' and feels that is the optimal system).
My niece is not radical about her right wing beliefs. However, I am certain she will resist any health care reform that runs counter to what the corporatists want. There's too high a likelihood that she'd experience cognitive dissonance if she opened her mind.
There are many, many like her, I fear...
that you refer her to this article,
T.R. Reid
5 Myths About Health Care Reform Around the World
The Washington Post, August 23,2009
Also ask her why people only ever bring up Canada (ranked #30 by the recent World Health Organization's listing of health care systems) or England (#30) as their only examples of why they think single payer wont work. They NEVER say a thing about France (#1).
Oh and by the way, our fine nation is listed at # 37. So we're NOT the "finest health care system in the world" as people love to say over and over.
That health care account will come in handy when she is told that "without surgery she will die within days."
This was a NY Times op/ed from last June and with all the lies people are believing about health care, I went back to re-read it recently. The Republicans really seem to understand the psychology involved. Some excerpts:
Your Brain Lies to You
Even if they do not understand the neuroscience behind source amnesia, campaign strategists can exploit it to spread misinformation. They know that if their message is initially memorable, its impression will persist long after it is debunked. In repeating a falsehood, someone may back it up with an opening line like "I think I read somewhere" or even with a reference to a specific source.
We tend to remember news that accords with our worldview, and discount statements that contradict it.
and
Journalists and campaign workers may think they are acting to counter misinformation by pointing out that it is not true. But by repeating a false rumor, they may inadvertently make it stronger. In its concerted effort to "stop the smears," the Obama campaign may want to keep this in mind. Rather than emphasize that Mr. Obama is not a Muslim, for instance, it may be more effective to stress that he embraced Christianity as a young man.
Consumers of news, for their part, are prone to selectively accept and remember statements that reinforce beliefs they already hold.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/27/opinion/27a...
We can see the truth of that statement. People believe these lies because they validate what they think in the first place. No matter how many facts are published to refute the lies, they are dismissed because they are published by the liberal media. But they believe the lies on Fox News and from the radio talkers.
It is really difficult to counter these lies. They even spread to people who were not initially inclined to believe them. Lies repeated often enough become truth.
A macro-level overview reinforces what you have said--think flat earthers or the Dinosaur Museum. Our species is still prone to magical thinking, and we are most eager to embrace a simplistic, easy-to-understand-and-repeat view of our universe.
The earth is only about 8,000 years old, didn't you know?
.. to France. Free healthcare, mandatory 35 hour work week by law... AND 4 weeks vacation... to start. And we rag on these people... now who really are the fucking idiots?
There are no plausible reasons why people vote and protest against their own personal well being outside plain old stupidity. If you believe in the Death Panel and healthcare reform to include immigrant coverage... you are on the top 1% of the most stupid people since god created the earth
60004.5 billion years ago.from the good old Red, White, and Blue tricolor (sans blue field of stars). They actually have a vibrant democracy over there, and if the government does something the people don't like, they protest in the streets. (Remember what happened in Milwaukee during the Republican Convention? The police were busting down doors of houses of organizers to arrest protestors who had arrived in town, before they even began protesting -- Fascist Tactics.)
The big difference between France and the USA, IMHO? The French had a revolution to overthrow their ruling oligarchy -- torches and pitchforks and, oh yes, guillotines. Whereas our ruling oligarchy somehow just keep getting re-elected to Congress.
(Really hate to correct you, but ... )
That's 5 weeks of vacation, plus if your employer has you work more than 35 hours per week. the time worked is accrued as additional vacation time.
And yes, not only is there free healthcare for all, but France also considers a roof over your head AS A RIGHT. Okay, it isn't guaranteed to be the Ritz, but it's far better than the USA's growing tent-cities (or bridge overpass, if you can find a vacant one.)
Viva la France!
France held its revolution in 1789, but the Republic founded by that revolution disappeared in 1799, replaced by Napoleon's Consulate, which was replaced by his dictatorial empire in 1804, the Bourbon Restoration in 1815, the July Monarchy (a constitutional, but right-wing government in 1830). Then there was another left-wing revolution in 1848, which created the right-wing reactionary Second Republic, whose President, Louis-Napoleon Bonaparte was crowned Emperor Napoleon III in 1852. He remained dictator until he fled the country in 1870, in the wake of the Franco-Prussian War. The Third Republic that followed (and lasted until France was defeated by Nazi Germany in 1940) was the form of government under which egalitarian and socialist reforms finally took root, and those roots didn't really start to take hold until about 1890- 100 years after the French Revolution.
What I'm saying is that pissed-off working men armed with torches and pitchforks didn't do the job of reforming France in 1789: You can give the credit to Otto von Bismarck and Helmuth von Moltke (the Elder) for doing the job in 1870.
BTW, St. Paul, not Milwaukee.
France did have a bunch of megalomaniacal dictators (Napoleon I, II, and III). But I like to think that none of this could have happened there without first the French Revolution of 14 July, 1789 -- something that we could use a bit more of here in the USA. (I think that the French, as well, consider that a major milestone, since they see fit to celebrate that every year like our 04 July.)
And yes, St. Paul Minnesota and not Milwaukee Wisconsin (Milwaukee, will you please accept my apology?) Again, my underlying premise was that while the French will march in the streets in protest of perceived government wrongs, in these United States protestors wind up protesting sometimes miles away behind chain link fences in designated protest locations. Or else getting their doors broken down and rounded up like terrorists by SWAT teams in the extreme example of St. Paul.
Could you at least concede those points, no matter how inaccurately I expressed them originally?
They are very good about takin' it to the streets. However, they have quite often gotten exactly what they wanted the least after doing so.
One last correction, however: Napoleon II wasn't really what you'd call a megalomaniac. His rule as Emperor lasted, iirc, for 15 days, from the time of his father's abdication until the Allies entered Paris. He was 4. He lived out the rest of his short life (he died at 21) under very close watch by his mother's family, the Hapsburgs of the Austrian Empire.
Obama 1. Never clearly explained what the problem is, i.e. that Americans pay roughly twice per capita what other industrialized nations do for helthcare but rank 38th in quality while tens of millions go uncovered, that insurance companies make money by denying care or explained hat there already are death panels only it's private insurers who have them. 2. Obama never explained that a public option would save money, that it would end death panels, that more people would receive better care and that the government must compete with private insurers because it's the only way to keep them semi honest. 3. And most importantly, he didn't get on national television for a prime-time address to correct these myths and call out Republicans for their bull shit. And his White House has not even found a message much less stayed on it.
In short, Obama has failed to lead. And I'm not really sure his heart was ever truly in it. Progressives may have been had by an insincere charmball.
Bingo!
Although I was never had - I always thought he was to DLC, it doesn't make it any easier to watch.
From snake-oil salesmen and Amway to armageddon-hungry rapturists and the Snuggie, Americans will believe anything they're told.
Particularly when it aligns with their presuppositions.
"Jesus is white in every painting I've ever seen, therefore, Jesus couldn't have been black."
"I've seen millionaires on TV, therefore, I'll be a millionaire one day (and when I do, I don't want the government taxing me extra)."
"The government lied about bombing Cambodia, therefore, they're lying about Roswell, therefore, UFO's must be real."
"I didn't see monkeys change into humans, therefore, evolution is a hoax."
It has everything to do with Blind Faith and the Evangelical pursuit of "success" (i.e. greed). Were more value placed on truth than on money, it might be a different place.
that any of these bills have anything to do with "health care reform"
anytime a progressive or real dem speaks on this issue, the words health care need to be dropped and replaced with insurance reform
the worst thing to happen to this country was to allow for profit health insurance companies ever to be created
they do absofuckinglutely nothing...and their biz plan is setup more like mafia insurance than real insurance
for the past 30 years, there has already been goverment funded health care...the only thing is, the monies have all been going to the for profit insurance companies...and those companies have been fucking the people...and are rewarded for it
it is time for this to end
if it doesnt, we are fucking doomed
n/t
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MWDwvjETyo&fe...
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The politicians are back from recess next week. We need to burn those phone lines every day until they go home at night.
Then the next day and the next day and the next day and
don't let the phones quiet down until we get healthcare.
RING THOSE PHONES. CALL YOUR POLITICIANS IN D.C. Every day twice a day and three times the next day. Keep telling them you want public health care. Now and forever.
What do you expect polling the ignorant sheep, uneducated racists that watch Faux Noise and believe every down right lie they spew with no conscience??
this article right here:
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/29/medicare-...
by Igor Volsky
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