Frank Schaeffer, Author of "Crazy for God" on What's Left of the GOP: Today the Republican Party is rooting for doom
By Heather Sunday Mar 08, 2009 2:45pm
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D.L. Hughley talks to Crazy for God author Frank Schaeffer, whose father was one of the founders of the religious right. Schaeffer discusses his articles at the Huffington Post Why Obama Must Not Work With Republicans and Why Are the Republicans Such Anti-Obama Liars?. From the latter:
Today the Republican Party is rooting for doom. And since the Republicans are now anti-American members of an Obama-must-fail insurgency, lies become a self-fulfilling prophecy: talk doom, and keep the economy in a panic and we may get what we wish for.
Don't conservative Republicans object to the lies? No, because the Republicans don't have any actual and traditional conservative followers left. The Republican base is now made up of religious and neoconservative ideologues, and the uneducated white underclass with a token person of color or two up front on TV to obscure the all-white, all reactionary all backward -- there-is-no-global-warming -- rube reality. Actual conservatives, let alone the educated classes, have long since fled.
The Republican religious nuts are rooting for Jesus to "rapture" them, not for America, and the neoconservatives are rooting for war and the Israeli hard liners, not for America. Truth (and sanity) are out the window.
So, what is the problem with lying to our faces, say, claiming that all American's taxes are going up when 95% of American's taxes are going to go down? Why not claim Obama is a socialist, even if he's not? Why not say anything at all to drive our country into a pit when losing is seen as winning? That, is all the Republicans have to offer America: more lies on a path to destruction from which the Republican "leadership" plans to resurrect themselves and "save" America from Obama.
Updated: Full Transcript to follow.
HUGHLEY: James Dobson, a prominent voice of the evangelical movement recently stepped down as chairman of Focus on the Family. So who was left to lead the religious right? Joining me now is a former evangelist and author "Crazy for God," Frank Schaeffer. How are you doing, Frank?
It seems as if President Bush was the perfect candidate for the religious right. He was born-again, he was an evangelical, he was an End of Days believer. So the Republican, evangelical right got what they wanted. What went wrong?
FRANK SCHAEFFER, AUTHOR, "CRAZY FOR GOD": Well, first of all, he was unqualified to be president.
HUGHLEY: All he had to do was believe in Jesus, right?
SCHAEFFER: That's right. That's why he got elected. You saw this in the last election when Sarah Palin was introduced as the vice presidential candidate for McCain. The only reason he picked her is because she was another born-again Christian and he thought he would throw that sop to the religious right. So the game continued but this time it didn't work because people had it for voting for people just on the basis of their belief in kind of a fundamentalist Christianity.
HUGHLEY: But you -- you grew up that way?
SCHAEFFER: Yeah.
HUGHLEY: Your father was instrumental in the evangelical movement.
SCHAEFFER: My father was someone who was key to the formation of the religious right. In the 1970s and '80s, for people who know about that little subculture in our country, Francis and Edith Schaeffer were very big names. And "Crazy for God," my book, talked about what it was like to grow up in that home. And later as we became involved, palling around with the Bush family, dad going to the Reagan White House a number of times and meeting with the president about pro-life issues and all of these other things, that's the world I grew up in.
And then as an adult, I really began to have second thoughts about where the religion right was going. Essentially, if I could put it this way, moved away from that background and politically changed sides. So, for instance, recently I have been one of the bloggers on Huffington Post and other places that have been supporting the Obama candidacy from the very beginning. And for ...
HUGHLEY: (inaudible) thing.
SCHAEFFER: And for me to be doing that, if you asked me 25 years ago would I be doing this, I would have thought you were crazy. That's how people can change. So I changed my mind.
HUGHLEY: But your father, who was so integral in starting the evangelical movement, what would he think of the new you? Of the more ...
SCHAEFFER: You know, in some ways, he would be pleased. Because my dad was very interested in the human life issue of abortion. But when it comes to things like gay bashing, political correctness on the right wing issues, starting the war in Iraq for bad reasons or no reasons, my father would not have been going along with that. So where the religious right went, which was to turn into this kind of hard-assed neo fascist kind of direction in America that has given us eight years of a bad presidency, a collapsed economy, two wars, one of which we shouldn't have been in.
By the way, my son was a United States Marine. So I talk with no apology about what I think about the war.
HUGHLEY: You saw what an apology can get you in trouble.
SCHAEFFER: He was out there getting shot at. So I can say what I think about it.
And the fact of the matter is, I think we have come through a very, very bad time and unfortunately, I'm sorry to say, my dad and I, when I was a young man and he in his career had a lot to do with it. Because we were the people, who along with others like James Dobson, Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell and the others, we put all of this crap in place. And now the reason I wrote "Crazy for God" is because the title is literally that if awe approach God in a certain way, it will drive you crazy. And this has been a period of craziness.
HUGHLEY: And you have said some -- you do blog for the Huffington Post. You have written some things and I have read you for a little while. You have written some things that I never heard anybody say out loud. You said the Republican base is now made up of religious and neoconservative ideologues and the uneducated white underclass was a token person of color or up two up in front of the "TV to obscure the all-white, all reactionary, all backward, and there is no global warming, rube reality. Actual conservatives, let alone the educated class have long since fled." You believe everybody in the Republican Party is a neocon or an ideologue.
SCHAEFFER: I'd put it differently. I'd say the Republican Party knows that's who that their base is. There are individuals, private citizens ...
HUGHLEY: You mean elected people.
SCHAEFFER: I'm talking either the elected people fall into one of those two categories. Either they are pandering to the religious right -- I don't know what they believe, of course. I can't get into their head. They are pandering to the religion out right or they are pandering to the neocons to whom every war is a good war. And there is very little room in between.
And the people, for instance like William F. Buckley, who was a friend of my dad's, or Barry Goldwater. You could have disagreed or agreed with them. But these were not crazy people. These were not Fruit Loops.
HUGHLEY: They wanted a separation of church and state.
SCHAEFFER: Right. They wanted a separation of church and state. They were not using politics to beat people over the head with a moral crusade. They were not looking to start wars for no reason. We moved from a period where the Republicans represented something you could agree or disagree with, to a period where it represents a kind of fundamentalist Christianity on one side and a view of the world, which sees everyone who is other, whether that is black, white, Arab, Muslim, a different country, gay, as the enemy. And basically that's a very dangerous position.
And so I think when you look at a guy like Rush Limbaugh today, what you're seeing is the lid off. This is the raw, naked true face of where Republicanism is. And be my guest, if people want to vote for that, fine. We just had eight years of this that drove us over the cliff and you want to keep going over the clip, fine. But as far as I'm concerned, the greatest miracle, speaking of God because I'm still a religious person what has happened happen ed in any lifetime, is the election of Barack Obama. Who I think is in a position to genuinely turn this country around. It's going to take a while but I'm tremendously optimistic about what he can do.
HUGHLEY: That's an amazing thing. In your letter. You wrote an open letter to President Obama. You asked him not to even count on Republican backing.
SCHAEFFER: Right.
HUGHLEY: You say that they hate him.
SCHAEFFER: They do hate him.
HUGHLEY: They hate him.
SCHAEFFER: They do hate him.
HUGHLEY: That's pretty strong.
SCHAEFFER: Rush Limbaugh's telling the truth when he says he wants him to fail. These people are ideological enough that they would rather take our whole country down and be proven right than be patriotic Americans and stand up and do the thing that every American ought to do right now, which is support the president, whether you voted for him or not.
(APPLAUSE)
HUGHLEY: Why -- why then are men like Rush Limbaugh and a woman like Ann Coulter so tremendously popular? Why then? It makes me as an American go, this is how a large percentage of the country feels.
SCHAEFFER: No, don't think so. I think if people read my book, they're going to see that the religious right started with good intentions. And then was manipulated by very crass people who have taken it in a different direction for personal gain. Today you have about 20 million people who buy all of Ann Coulter's books, watch Rush Limbaugh. Send money into the televangelists. It's all the same people.
The fact of the matter is, there are 300 million of us. There's no 20 million of us. The truth is I failed every math class. But somebody in the audience will tell us what the percentage of 20 million of 300 million. It's not a big percentage. It's just a loud percentage. This is the drunk on the subway making trouble in the car for all of the people on the subway. There are 100 decent citizens on there, there is one ass in the front that's molesting women. That's the Republican Party now in terms of the loud car.
HUGHLEY: I'm going to get in trouble again, aren't I?
SCHAEFFER: The difference is, I'm not apologizing or kissing Rush Limbaugh's butt. Though there is quite a bit to kiss.
HUGHLEY: Thank you very much. Frank Schaffer, thank you so much. Thank you so much.
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propaganda capital of the world.
And pin it to the top until it goes viral.
You could add a transcription of the interview for maximum effect.
This man should be at the top of every ones blog, he nailed it.
...and trashes the GOP convention:
GOP convention 'looked like Nazi Germany'
Then watch what happens:
D.L. Hughley: Canceled!
Guess he just didn't 'know his place'. Like Steele.
Oh wait, yes I can. He told the truth.
Oops.
I just read that transcript and thought to myself, "Damn, for a comedian, that was damn fine journalism."
Granted, I also thought, "Damn, it's a good thing I've been drinking because that was more truth from someone from the right than I've ever experienced.
Gosh...Does anyone think there might be a connection?
Nah.
...painted this as D.L. Hughley deciding to quit the show for personal reasons...
Well, the only thing I can say I guess is that I have a newfound respect for him.
a) it did look like Nazi Germany.
b) the Republicans are like the guy molesting women on the train.
c) show canceled is proof that a handful of people CAN change the country for the worse.
A show like this (e.g. Donahue) could exist 20 years ago. Not now, thanks to media consolidation.
maby the guy just wasnt very funny?
To be honest Tyree, I didn't think he was all that funny, but I did like his serious interviews. I do think the show was kind of in an odd place from the humor standpoint and didn't necesarily belong on CNN...
i agree annaleigh ,
Cindy Sheehan is one tough mother
maybe they'll give him a show around with a slot around Stewart and Colbert, and in the meantime he can work on the funnies! :)
is Comedy Central material, Annaleigh.
He's too serious. Please see the video I posted above.
But nevertheless, I just wanted to say I love your comments and think the world of you.
~peace
I see you are talking about D.L.
Bedtime for me.
Apologies.
That's totally alright, good night! ;)
Please.
He was the only anti-war voice on MSNBC and promptly got canceled in favor of Michael Savage (aka Weiner) who then got canceled for saying all gays should die of AIDS.
as these posts dont follow directly after the poster your posting to he he , i said nothing about phil donahue!
;)
imagine if "liberals" or democrats even had said they wished for bush's policies to fail in iraq .................
what would the reaction have been to speech like that in 2004?
what would the rightists have called those people?
doesn't really matter, except on an emotional level.
Americans are raised to be sheep to be sheared.
I think this one is worn out already...
They weren't even halfway subtle about that, were they - "Spending more time with his family?"
I'm more disappointed that Hughley didn't have some kind of protection written into his contract.
The ending of "Wag the Dog" is always in the back of my mind when I hear people starting to speak the truth, like D.L. Hughley. Mr. Schaeffer might want to think of the same.
Music to my ears. Must be spread everywhere.
What kind of world is it when 20 million insane Americans can hijack the planet?
Very hard to argue with what he has to say. I'm sure a Hannity, Malkin or Limabugh would find a way(name calling).
That was a insightful honest interview.
That was F-in AWESOME!
Thank you, Heather!
Thanks for posting this.
I really appreciate Frank Schaeffer's viewpoint. When I was college-age, coming out of a Christian Jr. High and High School, I was very impressed with his father, who wrote "How Should We Then Live?" Listening to the son's story puts the views of his father in perspective. It is amazing how the religious right tends towards hypocrisy.
Terry Gross did an excellent interview last December on Fresh Aire. Here's the link:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?...
...that I check into C&L for. Since I don't watch TV I am simply unaware that you can get away with having someone on TV say this kind of stuff. Thank you once again C&L for being an invaluable resource for those of us who shun the tube.
and john a. long may it continue.
I wish every liberal program in America would have this gentleman on. He speaks nothing but the truth, particularly about that Rapture crap. Right-wingers don't give a damned about this country and they should be shamed into nonexistence. The politicians and most of the pundits are afraid to tell this type of truth. I hope this gentleman gets many many bookings.
Jon Stewart....Stephen Colbert....
....your next guest is waitng for an invite."
Can anyone get this link to them?
Thanks John A., Heather and C&L. Best.Post.Evah.
In as few words as possible: The economy is reflected in the market curves, DJI, Nasdaq S&P and others.
The three components to move these are public traded companies, the brokerages and the investors. (Am I missing something?).
In the past, Companies operated, did well or did badly, and investors bought or sold their shares in that company, increasing or decreasing the company's value.
But recently, for about the last 6 or 8 months, I am disturbed by the wild fluctuations in stock prices. Up 500 one day, down 400 the next and back up 300, with no news coming from the company or the brokerage upgrading or downgrading a company.
I am going to make an assumptions that most money dealers are capitalist republicans, whom people trust with their investments.
I now suspect it is the investors who trade large amounts of stocks (mutual funds, or millionares), and thereby manipulate stock prices, hurting the company and destroying people's faith in America.
For a savvy investor, there is lots of maney to be made, if they time their buys and sales and their calls and puts.
If this is the case, or could be the case, the financial world is in reality turned upside down.
Remember the sudden change in oil prices?
The reason was global hedge funds loading their capital to oil futures and then taking it suddenly away 'cause they needed cash for their customers scared by the financial crisis and withdrawing their investments in hedge funds.
Something like that could also be behind the fluctuations in the stock market.
are not capitalists. They take no risk and don't produce any type of good. They're shell shufflers and they have been around for millenia (see that dusty tome on the money-changers outside the temple) and have been denigrated in all cultures at various time. In 21st parlance, they are parasites -- and too fucking stupid not to attack their own host.
WTF is so great about CONservatism???
Im even sick of Democrats using that term as if its something we should all work toward!
there ain't enough of them.
I just can't believe it, truly amazing a real christian speaking out on TV. That is what a REAL Christian is. Good catch.
I just saw, breaking news on CNN, some dude walked into a church in southern Illinois and shot the pasture today. Gotta find out what kind of church this was, was it a hater church or was it a pro-Obama church, I am very interested in the rest of the story.
but it was a Baptist church. So it likely has some level of conservatism to it. Whether it was one of the churches that decided to support Obama, I don't know.
being somewhat familiar with the area, combined with being a baptist church, i'm gonna guess it was NOT pro obama...
just opining...
I was hunting, http://www.fbmaryville.org/sermons/ .
I think they were conservative, looks like they are begging for money to expand the church, looks like 1 hell of a holly complex already. 1 of the sermons he put doubt on Global warming.... I am sure MSM will do a proper investigation for us as usual *rolls eyes*.
I wonder how the complex thingie might figure into that... We are in the middle of one of the worst financial crisis we've had, and it really looks bad to be begging for money to make a church fancier.
My Grandpa was a preacher during the Great Depression, but he was Native American, poor, and took Jesus' teachings seriously, so church was wherever you could have it, and he supported his family through farming, instead of depending on whomever he preached to support his family. So my Dad always looked down on churches who put too much stock into their buildings, and pastors who lived off their suffering flock.
Police: Ill. pastor deflected gunshot with Bible
Snip - MARYVILLE, Ill. — A pastor shot and killed during his Sunday sermon deflected the first of the gunman's four rounds with a Bible, spraying a confetti of paper into the air during a horrifying scene that congregants initially thought was a skit, police said.
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/08/illi...
My condolences too the family.
Yes, my condolences and prayers are with the family, too...
The area of Collinsville, Edwardsville (SIU), Wood River and Granite City (Suburbs of Saint Louis) are quite affected by the economic turndown (letdown).
He could have been leaning too much on the church for answers to his own personal problems.
Couple that with a need to hold a gun along with an instant gratification expectation and the church naturally is a target.
There may not be a survivor story about a possible conversation between the pastor and the gunman which could have been about the pastors refusal to allow the gunman to 3 meals a day and some money and so forth.
Here is 1 possible excellent resource.
http://www.christiansecuritynetwork.org/
"Actual conservatives have long since fled"
Where did they go? There aren't really a lot of libertarians or Ron Paul supporters. The closest thing to an "actual conservative" is someone who complained about Bush's spending in 2006. But of course that same person wholeheartedly supported Bush in 2004.
The philosophy of conservatism is entirely a figment of the imagination.
But I think the generation who grew under Reagan has no clue as to what an actual conservative used to be. Which is what Frank Schaeffer is talking about.
"Conservatism" today stands for everything this guy just said which are religious right extremists, neo-conservative pro-Israel war hawks and totally uneducated and easily brainwashed rubes.
It is just simply amazing how easily people here forget. It's shameful.
2006 Fox News Poll: 51% Of Democrats Wanted Bush To Fail
The Republican Party is not rooting for Doom. That's why they're screaming so loud right now.
wanting Bush's policy results to come to light before he left office and wanting his policies to fail may have appeared too similar.
Nickjacket, I was here. I read the comments and argued with plenty of people about it. They didn't mince words and they weren't coy about it, either. I was surprised by the low number, truth be told.
We all saw the illegality of a pre-emptive war based on lies that has killed and displaced millions not to mention costing the american taxpayer untold trillions and made us guilty of genocide while diminishing our clout worldwide to say the least.
And then there was the Enron debacle. Also, remember BCI?
Long live Gramm!
Right Dennis? This is for you.
http://curtspang.blogspot.com/2008/07/mccain-...
It's a Fox news poll. Nuff said.
I think it's more to the point that a lot of people saw the direction we were headed which was right off a cliff and didn't want to see it happen.
Right back at ya, glory box. Now more than f'ing ever.
Are you saying the eight years of Bushism were helpful? I think you are smarter than that.
Are we in a big fat f*cking mess?
You betch your ass.
Fiddle, fiddle. Dither, dither.
...ass tested idiot approved.
We just knew for sure that he would.
Failure is the typical result of doing really stupid things.
Dennis, you got your job back. I'm sure it's hard work being a (R)ushpublican water carrying bitch boy, but with the state of the economy the way it is, any job's better than relying on food banks with their (shudder) POOR PEOPLE. God forbid you had to go there and smell them in their poor people clothes and all those smelly rotten kids. Your poor white precious Rushpublican ass might have contracted a disease.
Your rhetoric was tiring years ago, and it's tiring now.
Firstly, it's a FUX news poll, and secondly, dennis, I often question if you even try to understand what some of us say here.
Yes, but exactly how enlightened does it make you to put it thusly.
To me, not very.
They are much in need of edification. As are the somnambulant apologists of the Democrat's Corporatist leaning.
The simple fact is the Corporations and the Fat Cats who sit behind them dominate the country and the political discourse.
I was just listening to John Kerry prattling on about NOT nationalizing the Banks. Just keep pouring the money in and prop up the Fat Cats who caused them to fail.
Government by and for the corporations… and their buddies.
Conservatism is about preserving the divine right of Kings, or Corporations as is the case, as we have it now.
There is plenty of that around still.
Yes, it does.
Gee, I'm so surprised about John Kerry.
Not.
Everyone is in this together, getting screwed together, but nobody seems to get that part.
Peace~
An oxymoron if ever there was one , " Conservatives " . A coalition of the mentally imbalanced , a malignant cancer on society and in our government are the so called " Conservatives " .
Time-Warner's execs must be fuming, in front of their 6-foot high fireplace atop 666 Fifth Ave.
on your lack of self-loathing and taking an objective assessment of your upbringing and then dealing with it. However, that being said, your version of Augustine's Confessions is just another Americo-centric, self-absorbed, self-referential and self-reverential monologue. 'And the fact of the matter is, I think we have come through a very, very bad time . . ' Right, and if you truly love Christ, then take on the overt, Xtian fascists and corporatists in the US that are responsible for the death of millions of civilians and for the shattering of communities/cultures/tribes/democratically-elected governments in OTHER sovereign states and write a book about that. Be sure to do so on bended knee.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-wJNpWgss8
Mr. Schaeffer has just said what I’ve know for a very long time. I feel kinship with him because I too was where he was during the 70’s and 80’s. Being a Christian doesn’t mean pushing your ideology onto others like the religious right has been doing for the last 20 years or so. It’s supposed to be about loving your fellow man, and helping others. The Republican Party has been destroyed by its religious allies, and vice versa. The hate these people project is despicable. I only hope conservatives come to their senses and dump the hate mongering, bigoted tongue waging religious right that was laughed at during the 60’s.
Thank you for your courage and moral virtue!
Global Warming is already on the decline. The sun is the powering the system. Carbon Dioxide is a greenhouse gas according to Carl Sagan. Who needed it to explain the high heat of Venus.
All planets heated up, then all planets started cooling. The Sun really is the proper indicator of this. The idea of taxing air is a ploy if nothing else and we should avoid this restrictive measure.
Lowering pollution is a good thing, so I am for that, but this whole Carbon Footprint stuff is like saying "Lets let trees have less to breathe. We breathe out carbon dioxide. So we get a meter and tax our mouths?
Cumon guys, be rational.
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Krack
Outstanding!
....all of Frank's books. I've been using them for years to tear apart the dumbing down of America.
Finally, an ounce of truth and rationality to battle the rightwing echo chamber!
20 million blowhards, led by Rush Limbaugh, have hijacked the nation and the world. American Fascism has truly arrived.
The reason Republicans want us to remain at war-even though the original reasons for the war have been discredited- is to trigger 'The end Times', so Jesus can return.
if your all powerful god, needs help from you to trigger its doomsday bizness. Maybe that god is not that powerful afte rall, why would you wanna rush things is that god is such a douche?
America was manipulated by 6% of the total population? Out of twenty million people, I'm sure you could very easily find enough to populate a Presidential Administration. Namely the Bush Administration. Can you say 'cronies'? Now that a deep pit of despair has been dug, I would like to know just exactly to what ends? This six percent has a whole lot of explaining to do. Some of them still hold seats in our Government.
Nothing like an "outraged" effeminate , pseudo-straight Lib who's shamelessly hawking his book that no one will read on a show that has been cancelled! Man, can you say they suck out loud?! Schaefer, what a pussy! Even the Libs at CNN realize this crap is painful to watch...even for them! Yeah, I'm sure Al-Queda and Hezbollah are really scared of these types along with Pelosi, Reid and The Community-Organizer-In Chief. I'm sure when we "negotiate' with them, there will be "peace in our time." Neville Chamberlain anyone? Sorry, Francis, didn't mean to anger you some more... good luck, DL, you'll need it...
You're so cute with the usual conservative shlock.
When obstructionist assholes like yourself, your idol Rush, and the rest of his lambs stop their bitching and actually work towards fixing things.
JJ, is it tough watching your party, your ideology, and your way of life disintegrate in front of your eyes? I bet you cry into your pillow of Reagan every night.
Is the Oxycotin rehab hitting you that hard?
That was a kick ass interview. I really like Hughly and his show quickly became must see watching. CNN took so long to cancel a slimeball like Beck and has taken about 2 months to cancel Hughly, he did say it was to spend more time with his family but who knows. We need more honest christians who can speak the truth about the horrors of Dubya and the deception of the neocons and fake christians.
Glad to see that my Liberal countrymen and women are as open-minded as the word liberal is supposed to mean....
I would love to stay and chat all night on policy but I gotta go to bed 'cause I got to get up and go to work in the morning, make that money to pay them taxes that BO gets to spread around...make everyone feel good. Russo, I am neither an asshole nor obstructionist because I an neither a Liberal nor a politician. If you expect everyone to just bow at the feet of this guy, who's never run anything in his life and now is tasked with trying to fix America and expects, nay demands that all agree with him- Are you kidding?! I understand that is the way Left America wants it to be but this still is America, it's ok to disagree but that only seems when it is the other way around, bashing The GOP or Conservatives, right? Conservatism dead?! Hardly; the problem with the GOP and with Bush and ultimately McCain is that they weren't conservative enough. McCain was the lamest candidate ever...tired, uninspiring (even though his life was 10 times more inspiring than the Messiah's) who dropped the ball (and the election) when he went along with Bush and Obama with the first Bailout-what a sellout- and STILL almost beat Obama-with every reporter and news outlet in his back pocket! Obama is making the same mistake Bush did in 2004- he thinks he's got more power than he does and they get cocky. Only difference-Bush had been President for 4 years by then and knew a few things, real things-Obama thinks he knows all the moves and he just started rehearsing. These bills are his-lock, stock and loaded barrel. He better hope they are successful or he will make Jimmy Carter look like a Stud! God help America-Oops, sorry, forgot where I was! See ya in the funny papers...
Everything George Bush ever did, he ran right into the ground. Including the United States. You pompous gasbag. Don't pretend to take the high road. And by the way, bush has never known anything in his entire life. He is an idiot, just like you. The only difference between you and him is you can write more than your name.
That was some great schtick, Joe Bob
your post has nothing to do, at all, with the topic of the thread at hand.
As stated many times, right wingers can only operate in two modes: projection and deflection.
Yours is a clear example of deflection. When you guys are shown how full of shit your policies are. Then, all you can do is... deflect, deflect, deflect. Change the conversation topic at any costs, stat!
You "tough" guys had no problem with shoveling down our throats 8 years of the most incompetent presidency in recent history. After just 8 weeks of Obama, youse guys can't stop bitching and are literally crying for your mummy Rush.
LOL.
You are kidding, right? Fox News has never told the truth about anything, and if you think they do, you are one of the ignorant rubes. The real head of the Republicon (spelling intentional) party is Rupert Murdoch. He issues a memo each day listing the talking points of the day for all his news outlets. This nonsensical, misleading, distorted, garbage is then picked up by all the other liars. Or maybe, Murdoch just sends Rush, et. al. the talking points directly. Wake up! You are either a fool or one of them.
Bush as well as St. Reagan and Gerald Ford made stupidity fashionable.
Hicks like who use nyms coined by Limpballs identify with other
stupid assholes. The can't get a job anywhere but as a Walmart greeter wiping baby shit off the shopping carts and recharging the huvrounds for other tards too lazy to walk.
Because some Republican retards are so f*cking stupid that they actually believe their own stories about Obama supporters thinking of him as the Messiah or savior or something (armpit farting as they say things like "Obamessiah haw haw haw"), because some Republican retards have so spiritualized their own hysteria that they assume that everybody else is both as f*cking frightened of their own shadows as they are, and also that everybody else feels the need to spiritualize everything, and basically because it's, I admit it, a little bit hilarious watching these f*cking racist retards squirm ever since election day, going straight back into the emotional maturity level they held in the womb.
The repubs are melting down and it's a pleasure to watch. Because they deserve it. They are so nasty and so divisive and so bigoted, that they deserve every moment in hell that they so richly earned. Karma's a bitch.
That was straight from the horse's mouth -- an evangelical who saw what happens when politics and fundamentalism unite, and so he had a complete change of heart. Shaeffer put his country first, spoke the truth, and DL Hughley gets cencelled? Utter BULLSHIT.
But I thought we have "no right to judge other people's religious beliefs"?
Anyway this guy needs to be on TV more.
How refreshing and absolutely true. Give him his own show!!
I am so glad to see someone that is a moral religious man stand up and call a dog a dog. This whole belief that The Republican Party IS the religious party is outright rediculois. They do not ACT in a moral or reightous way, they only give it lip service. These same people that told all of us we were being un-american and traitors for stating that Bush was a FOOL, are now doing the same thing to our current President elect yet see no problem with their actions.
I really like this guy, and I'm thiiis close to buying his book.
the first time a (former) evangelical has spoken to my soul and spoken the truth.
Too bad both sides are wrong, they are BOTH continuing the wars.
This guy is amazing, and so is Hughley. As I never seem to be around for the latter's TV show, I am grateful to you for reprinting the transcript of his fascinating interview with Schaeffer. Thankfully, my local library has a copy of Crazy for God, and although it is checked out now, it should be available soon.
Many of even the best religious leaders are known to have at least one son that walked a contrary path. On the other end of the spectrum, well-known atheist Madeline O'Hare's son supports our nation's religious standing to this day.
It is my hope that Mr. Frank Schaeffer, son of the late Frances Schaeffer will later realize his mistake in moving from his father's well respected religious stand and later apologize. He does not apparently realize the extent to which he had marred his father's image.
Schaeffer appears proud that he "saw the light" to join hands with others "guided" by the same whose primary weapon of warfare is scorn that he so proudly uses against the religious. So much for the wise counsel of God that warns against it. What would anyone think of anyone that find it necessary to mercilessly slander those from which he alienated himself in an effort to extol his new stand?
The title of his book, "Crazy for God" only shows another example of disdain toward the Christian religion that bears the gospel of peace. Although good to express hope in the new administration that he prefers over the former, why in this nation of freely elected officials did he find it necessary to speak of the former administration with scorn that is typical of the political left? Did he learn enough from his father to have a conscience against such dishonor to our nation's former top leader? Are we still free as a people to disagree without such dishonor? Is scorn a sign of support to a good cause?
If Schaffer truly found a stand that's more honorable than that of his deceased fathers, why couldn't he simply point out problems that caused his departure without demonizing everything his father stood for? Is that the way to honor his father? He instead marginalized his father with other respected religious leaders with a hostile rebellious tone. He departed from more than a group of people, but from a much higher calling of respect, grace, forgiveness.
I too have the hope that Obama would carry out critically needed reforms in the acute crisis that our nation faces. However, it is very tragic that our nation's policymakers and supporters are diametrically divided to an increasing extant to the point of each blaming the other for 100% of the problems. Is this a sign of strength in what's supposed to be a free nation? Schaeffer gives the impression that it's a very serious crime to criticize Democrats and is fair game to demonize Republicans. I am also grieved at how so many that carried the Republican label so grievously mishandled public funds and at other mistakes they made. But I think we all know better than to think that they were the only bad guys.
The primary mark of Schaeffer's alliance with the political left is his obvious disdain of the stand of Biblical believers. Life's experience forbids us from taking the path of scorn that he is walking in. Rejection of a scorner's words for one to learn of the "condemned" individual or group for himself generally shows the scorner the one to be distrusted. Let's not forget that throughout history many that experienced similar scorn as Schaeffer's did so simply because they tried to express critically needed warnings that were ignored.
The "light" that dazzles Frank Schaeffer appears to be the kind that emanates from wool over the eyes. I hope that he will put the brakes on the path he is taking and return to the true light his father walked in.
Take care,
Earl
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