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Amy Goodman and Sharif Abdel Kouddous discuss Haiti's history of military coups and other reasons for the extreme poverty that has savaged that country with their guests Kim Ives and Edwidge Danticat. This is the type of discussion you surely won't hear on our mainstream media which is busy ambulance chasing instead of looking at the root causes of the poverty that have made this horrible natural disaster even worse. You can watch the entire segment at Democracy Now's site--Haiti Devastated by Largest Earthquake in 200 Years, Thousands Feared Dead.

SHARIF ABDEL KOUDDOUS: And can you explain why are there UN peacekeepers deployed on the ground? Explain for people. We had the ouster of the democratically elected president Jean-Bertrand Aristide in 2004. Where does it stand politically right now in Haiti?

KIM IVES: Well, the UN occupation is extremely unpopular. This was sent in after Aristide was removed by a plot essentially by the US, France and Canada on February 29, 2004. US, France and Canada sent in occupation troops, which remained there for three months. And then they handed off the mission to the UN, as they’ve done in the past—in 1995, in particular—to the UN to carry out. That’s mainly done by the Brazilians, are heading that. But it’s extremely unwelcome. People are sick and tired of the millions being spent, having guys riding around in giant tanks pointing guns at them. And, you know, essentially, this is a force to keep the country bottled up. And I don’t know what’s going to happen now, because the dogs of madness have really—are going to be unleashed by this catastrophe.

SHARIF ABDEL KOUDDOUS: I want to read a statement that was just released by the former president Jean-Bertrand Aristide. He said, “My wife and I stand with the people of our country and mourn the death and destruction that has befallen Haiti. It is a tragedy that defies expression; a tragedy that compels all people to the highest levels of human compassion and solidarity. From Africa, the ancestral home of Haiti, we send our profoundest condolences and love to the thousands of children, mothers, fathers, brothers and sisters worst affected.” Where in Africa right now is he speaking from, Kim?

KIM IVES: He’s in South Africa, in Johannesburg. And this is one of the things. Aristide is being kept in exile, even now under the Obama administration, being kept out of the hemisphere. Apparently he’s gotten tremendous pressure since he went on the radio on November 25th and spoke out against the exclusionary elections that the Haitian government is trying to carry out, where the Lavalas Family party, the country’s largest, the party he founded, has been excluded from those elections, along with fourteen other parties.

And now he’s stuck in South Africa. He has no passport, which has long since expired. He has no laissez-passer, which he asked for explicitly in that radio address. And he should be invited. In fact, he should be brought back to help heal the country. I mean, the Haitian ambassador to the US, Ray Joseph, who was a participant in the coup d’état, has called for unity. I think if ever there was a moment when the Haitian government could now demonstrate unity, it would be now in allowing Aristide to come back, which has been one of the principal demands of the Haitian people over these past five years.

AMY GOODMAN: When we asked about the history—1915 to ‘34, 1991, explain the significance of these dates.

KIM IVES: Nineteen fifteen to 1934 was the first US Marine occupation, carried out under Woodrow Wilson, and finally, during the administration of FDR, it was ended. In ’91, Jean-Bertrand Aristide was inaugurated and—

AMY GOODMAN: As the first elected president.

KIM IVES: As, yes, the first democratically elected president. Eight months later, he was overthrown by a US CIA-backed coup. He remained three years in exile. They thought the coup could be somehow consolidated. It wasn’t. The resistance to it continued during that period. Finally, Clinton was forced to bring in 20,000 US troops, not to stop the coup, really, but to stop a revolution, which was in the making because of that coup.

AMY GOODMAN: Which would lead to immigrants coming into the United States.

KIM IVES: Possibly, yeah. I mean, the immigrants were being forced out by the coup. If there were a revolution in Haiti, maybe the flow would reverse. But the fact is the Clinton administration brought Aristide back as a sort of hostage on the shoulders of 20,000 US troops, and they remained until about 1999.

He was reelected in 2000. They again immediately started a coup when he was inaugurated on February 7, 2001, involving Contras based in the Dominican Republic and diplomatic and economic embargos, and all the—the whole works. They forced him out at gunpoint, essentially. A team of US Navy Seals came in and kidnapped him from his home in Tabarre on February 29th, 2004. And he’s been in exile ever since.

[...]

SHARIF ABDEL KOUDDOUS: And also, Kim Ives, the issue of food. We saw last year a food crisis around the world in early 2009. Haiti was one of the worst hit by that food crisis. There were reports of people eating mud for—because of starvation. Explain the issue of food and also how the United States affected the food supply in Haiti.

KIM IVES: Well, yeah. Essentially, Haiti was self-sufficient thirty years ago in its production of food, particularly rice. And since the fall of the Duvalier regime, it has really been opened up. The neoliberal regime, one of its principal demands is the lowering of tariff barriers, so that rice grown in Arkansas and Texas and Louisiana can be dumped on the country, which has effectively destroyed the rice farmers of the Artibonite Valley, leaving Haiti now required to import almost 80 percent of its food. So foreign aid has essentially destroyed Haitian food self-sufficiency.

AMY GOODMAN: And then the poverty that that leads to, the deforestation of the mountains. Having spent—gone to Haiti a number of times, people going up into the mountains to make charcoal, to burn whatever wood they can get, and that leads to the precarious natural situation, where you have an earthquake or a hurricane and the mudslides that—from Pétionville down, right?

KIM IVES: Exactly.

AMY GOODMAN: That make the crisis much worse.

KIM IVES: Exactly. And, Amy, just in the days before this, there was a lot of rain. So a lot of this is mudslides. I mean, the ground was already saturated with water, so it was extremely unstable. And I think that made the collapses even more terrible.

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Handypants's picture

Amy is always interesting but also always seems to lack the dynamics of the real news - I can't remember her mentioning the balloon boy.

"So foreign aid has essentially destroyed Haitian food self-sufficiency."

So glad we could help! (/snark)


"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that!
" ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )

oil and water

Samson-'s picture

let aristide back into Haiti.

although i fear that the shock doctrine (a la klein) will be ramped up into high gear as more and more multinat'ls start the queue to force their way into haiti as the country is still in, well, shock.

Peter G's picture

for a Haitian civil war to you? Is there anything left in that country that could possibly appeal any multinational corporation?


Hasa Diga Eebowai

Eris23's picture

Yes. There is the same that has always been there which didn't really get mentioned in this posting here. It's cheap exploitable labor. If you'll take note, every time Aristide has been forcefully removed from the country, it was around a time that he raised the national minimum wage.

jimbo92107's picture

Haitians have no food or water. Even if they did, they have few weapons, no organization, not even roofs over their heads.

This is not the profile of a revolution. It's the profile of a mass die-off.

What has 16 million arms and legs, and eats mud? The humanitarian cataclysm in Haiti is the result of America, France and the UN treating a nation of people as a cynical joke. America destroyed their democracy twice with proxy coups. Navy SEALS kidnapped Haiti's president during the BushCo days to keep them from re-establishing a local economy for things like rice.

Haiti's democratically elected president Aristide is exiled in South Africa, effectively under arrest. Today's UN puppet government is little more than a phone bank to coordinate a loose association of private contractors that do a shitty job of simulating a real central government's functions. After the earthquake hit, instead of aiding the people, they literally ran away.

Aristide was also a despot by the time he left. The country never had a chance.

I can confirm what you're saying. Most of the Haitians I know did not like Aristide, saying that he promoted violence and did not have his countrymen's best interests at heart.

There's some more info here, if anyone's intereted:

http://deiberthaiti.blogspot.com/2009/12/inde...

ron's picture

he did have his People's best interest at heart. He tried to raaise the minimum wage for Haitians by $.30 an hour and it was the oligarchy that forced him out.

Peter G's picture

and an attempt to assume dictatorial powers is what forced him out.


Hasa Diga Eebowai

Samson-'s picture

is a pretty rightwing institution, that during the previous coup worked quickly to replace the democratically elected president with a rightwing judge from the supreme court.

Peter G's picture

It's much cheaper to buy politicians in poor countries than rich ones. The fact remains that Aristide was no better or worse than the sad lot he was opposing. Legally it was Aristide who was in the wrong when that non-confidence vote ended his government's legitimacy. The CIA did not organize that non-confidence vote, the Haitians did.


Hasa Diga Eebowai

ron's picture

which would be the elite or connected to the elite had the non-confidence vote.

Eris23's picture
...

When did that vote occur? That's not what I recall happening at all. I recall some armed thugs with a record of human rights violations that had absolutely no authority under the government of Haiti unilaterally declaring that Aristide had stolen the election, and subsequently using violence to raise hell and get him out.

Samson-'s picture

the deal that clinton forced him to sign with the IMF/WB in order for the US to put him back in place after being overthrown. and it was those "austerity" measures that were the coup de grace in destroying the haitian economy, and thus his popularity.

Apparently he was a real asshole when the US placed him back into power, hence his being ousted again.

Some non-corrupt people running the place might be nice for a change.

Samson-'s picture

yet, like the first time, the second time he was overthrown was not from a popular uprising, per se--or, that is, from my understanding. although, the violence is a bit disconcerting, but that, too, might not be as straightforward as is being reported...

snippet:

This past Sunday Aristide was forced from office by a combination of people who have little in common except their opposition to these progressive policies and their refusal of democracy as a way of settling political differences. With the enthusiastic backing of Haiti's former colonial master and near universal approval in the mainstream press, a leader elected with overwhelming popular support has just been replaced by a gaggle of convicted human rights abusers, seditious ex-army officers and heavily pro-American business leaders. Soon the army will be restored, and it surely won't be long before the systematic killing of Aristide's supporters begins in earnest.

One of the real reasons why he has been so consistently vilified in the press over the past few weeks is that the Reuters and AP wire services upon which most coverage depends rely in turn on local media (e.g. Radio Metropole, Tele-Haiti, Radio Caraibe...) which are all owned and operated by opponents of Aristide. The founder of Tele-Haiti, for instance, is none other than Andre Apaid, the chief spokesman of the Group of 184 and one of the richest men in the country; this group is frequently cited as an important component of the opposition to Aristide and praised as a bulwark of Haiti's fledgling 'civil society'. (In fact, Apaid was a Duvalier supporter and remains an American citizen who obtained a Haitian passport by falsely claiming to have been born in Haiti, a country which doesn't allow dual-citizenship in any case; not coincidentally, Apaid also owns 15 factories in Haiti and led opposition to Aristide's campaign last year to raise the minimum wage).

Worst of all, Aristide remained indelibly associated with what's left of a genuine popular movement for political and economic empowerment. For this reason alone, it was essential that Aristide not only be forced from office but utterly discredited in the eyes of his people and the world as a whole. As Noam Chomsky has so often explained, the 'threat of a good example' always solicits measures of retaliation that bear no relation to the strategic or economic importance of the country in question. This is why the leaders of the world have just joined together to crush a democracy in the name of democracy.

http://www.albionmonitor.com/0403a/aristidecr...

ron's picture

The rewriting of history didn't begin at the end of Bush's presidency.

Eris23's picture
...

After Aristide was placed back in power in 94, he received absolutely none of the money that was promised to him. He got no real support. In 2000, the fiasco surrounding the elections gave the US the excuse to make it official, rather than unofficial, policy to not give any money to Haiti, despite the fact that this had been policy for the past 6 years.

MinuteMan's picture

The story about Aristide's kidnapping in 2004 is nonsense (I know someone who helped put him on the plane). The way Aristide's opponents often ended up on the wrong end of a machete blade seems to have escaped this "expert's" notice, it seesm.

Compelling argument there.

Handypants's picture

For a country with a bunch of power and a slogan of "self-determination" we sure do like to determine what other countries do with their self-determination.


"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that!
" ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )

Shadowgm's picture

God gave us free will so I could tell you what to do.

Freedom is on the march. Liberty is on the move.

Handypants's picture
...

They're free to do whatsoever we say.

See - just like freedom as long as we define what freedom means to us.

UGH!


"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that!
" ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )

ysbaddaden's picture
)O(

The interesting thing about coups is in the book Dracula, he adopted the pseudonym DeVille in London.


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

ricky's picture

"Folks, this is not your father's Republican Party."
Joe Biden

Evet's picture

is all that matters right now.

Peter G's picture

Now it's the UN Peacekeeping force that is the oppressor. Permit me to say: "BULLSHIT". They were the only people willing to stand between the opposing forces of what promised to be a truly bloody civil war. That the Haitians who are anxious to fight find the presence of the UN inconvenient is true.


Hasa Diga Eebowai

Handypants's picture
...

Peace is just an uncomfortable pause for the warmongers and those anxious to fight.


"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that!
" ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )

So Haiti has gone in 30 years from self sufficiency to abject "mud eating" poverty thanks to neo liberal free market ideology.
Let the bells ring and the banners fly.


"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "

-Jack Handy

Peter G's picture

review the history of Haiti. Aside from colonial era oppression they endured the homegrown Duvalier variety for decades. Google the Tonton Macoute.


Hasa Diga Eebowai

pinkobait's picture

I will freely admit to being basically ignorant of the intricacies of Haiti's troubled past(with the exception of course,of the "homegrown Duvalier variety")i.e. "Poppa Doc" "Baby doc" and Mama sang tenor.

KIM IVES: Well, yeah. Essentially, Haiti was self-sufficient thirty years ago in its production of food, particularly rice. And since the fall of the Duvalier regime, it has really been opened up. The neoliberal regime, one of its principal demands is the lowering of tariff barriers, so that rice grown in Arkansas and Texas and Louisiana can be dumped on the country, which has effectively destroyed the rice farmers of the Artibonite Valley, leaving Haiti now required to import almost 80 percent of its food. So foreign aid has essentially destroyed Haitian food self-sufficiency.


"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "

-Jack Handy

all that rice from the Artibonite Valley would be flowing to port Au Prince to be cooked up in the water that...


"Folks, this is not your father's Republican Party."
Joe Biden

cooked up in the water that...

will no doubt eventually have to be bought from some "enterprising" American corporation?


"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "

-Jack Handy

Samson-'s picture

some french multinat'l water company that privatized the haitian water supply

ricky's picture

right by the I-10 overpass a few short miles away from the Superdome as the fish swims.


"Folks, this is not your father's Republican Party."
Joe Biden

ricky's picture

for not having a serious discussion about how western imperialism
left an empty plate for Haitians and upset their techtonic equilibrium.


"Folks, this is not your father's Republican Party."
Joe Biden

Alice X - Chomsky Nader's picture

How to help Haiti c/o Salon here

There are links to the Red Cross, Doctors without Borders, Partners in Health and UNICEF.

I have just now donated to Doctors without Borders.

Obviously the need is great.

----

The Red Cross is estimating the number of dead at between 45,000 and 50,000. With an unknown and for the time being probably unknowable number of people in peril.

Doctors Without Borders reports their three medical facilities are inoperable, one has collapsed.


statusquObama, change you can only pretend in

Does anyone have any bets on how long it'll take before some Protestant/Methodist/Catholic/Mormon group will come in with blankets and water and will threaten to leave if the populace doesn't convert?

Alice X - Chomsky Nader's picture

Noam Chomsky on Haiti and the results of US neoliberalism, from April 2004 here


statusquObama, change you can only pretend in

Thank you Alice.


"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "

-Jack Handy

God, we suck. Not enough that we screw poor people in our own country, we have to spread it around.

"politics is the shadow cast on society by big business"
John Dewey
(from the above cited Chomsky article)


"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "

-Jack Handy

ahaque's picture

PAT ROBERTSON AND THE TALIBAN

A 'Deal with the Devil' is what the insensitive Pat Robertson has to say about Haiti's earthquake. He has said similar thigs in the past after 9/11 and Hurricane Katrina. Do these 'God's agents' have no shame. People are dyig in Haiti and need help from the world community and all he can think of is a deal with the devil? Who has given this man the right to malign other human beings? Another evalengical preacher claimed recently that "God hates a lot of people". I guess God came down to give that information to him personally!

If one looks closely, there many similarities between the extreme right wing preachers and the Afghan Taliban. They want to impose their will on majority, so do the Taliban. They believe they are right and everyone else is wrong, so do the Taliban. They believe they are the only ones who will go to heaven, so do the Taliban. They believe it is their moral duty to set all erring people straight, so do the Taliban. They believe God has given them a mission to root out sin from the world, so do the Taliban.

pinkobait's picture

Is,not to put too fine a point on it,one evil Mother fucker.


"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "

-Jack Handy

sassafra's picture

in 2000 with a turnout that barely rose to 10% of the electorate and with most of the opposition parties boycotting, aristide won the presidency. that hardly stands forth as a shining example of democracy.
aristide was and is no gem.

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