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I caught this on Hardball as well and was focused on Matthews touting tort reform as a solution to health care costs, which is nothing but a distraction and right wing talking point as Daphne Eviatar does a nice job of summing up here. Digby took note of why allowing the likes of Haley Barbour to tout Mississippi as a model for health care reform is absolutely ridiculous.

The state is a disaster when it comes to health care on every front. But they have reduced their premiums and now nobody can expect restitution if a drunk doctor cuts off the wrong limb, so everything's just ducky in Haley's world. In fact the whole country should "experiment" with Mississippi's great successes.

In case you were wondering, number one is Vermont, followed by Hawaii and Iowa. If Barbour and his buddies were willing to take the lead of the states that actually deliver pretty good health care his words wouldn't ring so hollow. But all he cares about is destroying trial lawyers on behalf of his rich friends and throwing poor people off Medicaid. I don't think that's a serious solution to the problem so there's no reason to listen to anything he or any other Republican says on this subject.

Lots of stats and more over at Digby's place. So much for that "librul" media huh?

Transcript via Nexis Lexis below the fold.

MATTHEWS: Fair enough. You`re in opposition. That was a good statement of an opposition leader and it`s a good statement. But let me ask you this. The Republican Party deserves credit because you pushed through Welfare reform, a tough bill, back -- because Newt Gingrich pushed it and the president had to sign it under duress, I think, in 1996, or he would have lost -- he might have lost about 4 percent or 5 percent in that fight with Bob Dole. I don`t think he would have lost, but he would have lost a lot of ground. So you guys showed the upper hand. You got the job done. You forced the Democrat to eat it and he did.

Why don`t you ever do that health care? You`ve had power in your party. You`ve had control of both houses under Bush, George W. You`ve had both houses and you`ve had the presidency, plenty of chances to get to a really good health care bill using tax cuts or whatever to serve the country that`s not being served by health care. But yet you wait around, like a troll under the bridge, waiting for the Democrats to do it, and you come out and bite their leg.

Why don`t you walk across that bridge? Why don`t you guys have a health care bill when you`re in power? Just a thought.

BARBOUR: Well, yes, we trolls who hide under the bridge, candidly, a lot of Republicans, including me, think it would be much better to let the states do some things like we`ve done in Mississippi, where we`ve had serious tort reform, and our medical liability reform has brought down insurance premiums by 60 percent in four years, that we have reformed Medicaid so that we`re saving the taxpayers money, that we think to let the states for a while have different ideas, see what works, see what doesn`t, and then come together with a rational bill at the federal level is a better approach.

Instead, what we`re seeing is some of the worst models that have been done by states that have driven health insurance premiums through the roof in states like New York, where you are -- that`s become the model and that`s why CBO -- in a Democrat Congress, the Congressional Budget Office says these health care reform bills done by the Democrats are going to make health insurance premiums go up and that the government plan for health care will be even more expensive than the private plans, even after the private plans` premiums go up. We don`t think that`s the right solution. We think states can do better than that solution.

MATTHEWS: You know what? I think you`ve just done a great job on the Democrats` weakness, their Achilles heel, which is tort reform. They get so much money from the trial lawyers. They will not engage in tort reform. The president said they would in that speech to Congress, the joint session a couple weeks ago. They`re not doing it. You have hit them in their gut. They don`t do it because that`s where they get their money.

But thank you very much, Haley Barbour. You scored a very good point on Democrats on health care. Tort reform would be a great way to save the consumer money and bring back specialists to states like Pennsylvania, and they`ve all left.

Up next: What`s next for health care reform? The Senate holds its first big vote on Saturday, but Harry Reid doesn`t quite have those 60 votes to pass it, or even to get it voted on. That`s next in "The Fix."

This is HARDBALL. That was Governor Haley Barbour of Mississippi.

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MKirschMD's picture

Tort reform is hardly an exclusive right wing issue. I'm not a right winger or a crook or a liar. Poll last wk indicated that majority of Americans want some medical liability reform. I acknowledge that it would benefit the insurance companies, but this doesn't mean it's a bad idea. Why do conscientious physicians hate the system? Do you really believe the political left's canard that defensive medicine isn't a serious and costly issue? For some balance, see www.MDWhistleblower.blogspot.com under Legal Quality.

Tyler Durden's picture

... alas I assume you thought all them disclaimers was going to make your blogwhoring less obvious LOL.

Anyhow, yeah... let's focus on what amounts to less than 2% of overall healthcare cost overhead. It is not like the other 30% + the insurance companies add, for no apparent value added, is that important anyway.

Samson-'s picture

very true, BUT tort reform is 100% distracting. deal. with. that.

Ali's picture

Plenty of very good conscientious physicians are practicing defensive medicine. Imagine what it feels like to be slapped with a law suit sueing not just you and your medical practice, but naming your spouse and going after your modest home just because you didn't order that one test and 6 years later the person turned up with some terrible disease?

There are many so many problems with health care in this country and a nice balanced tort reform is just one small part.

It's pretty damned disappointing that reform has become so political and the obstructionists are so good at what they do.

katenh's picture

but as long as I can I will not allow you people to BS your way into sweet deals on liability insurance and less quality control and less consequences for your brethren's careless ways.

The fact is, docs have a long history of sticking together and protecting their own -- regardless of the consequences for patient care.

My father was a trial lawyer who specialized in medical malpractice until just a couple years ago when he retired. Sure, he did very well and in fact he was a bit of a prick.

But I'll tell you this: He defended people who without the ability to hire a lawyer and pay for legal fees, etc., would have been shit out of luck due to a "medical mistake" such as once when a drunk doc caused a man who was admitted to hospital for a minor illness to permanently lose both his hearing and his eyesight due to doubling a drug and over-dosing -- making the injection in plain sight of his sheepish staff.

Or the mildly retarded kid who was admitted to a local mental ward for depression (attempted suicide) and was sent home while still on meds and hen or his family not told to keep him out of the heat --even though the meds mandated that -- no one asked about his living envrion even thought it was August in the midwest and it was known the family was poor. He "overheated" and ended up severely retarded, having to have 24 hour care for the rest of his life. In the courtroom the doc sidled up to him when everyone was going into the courtroom, "Now Johnnie, tell everyone like you should that you were using drugs." or something of the type, when of course he wasn't doing anything of the sort and the boy just turned and looked at her, drooling at the mouth unable to respond.

All heart I tell ya. I've got other stories and I will continue to tell them when I get a chance.

I'm sure those liability payments cut into your Jag payments or your vacation home payments Doctor, but real lives are at stake with your job and when you screw up. If you can't stand the heat, get the hell out of the kitchen.

And leave the lawyers to do their job.

Tax the Rich's picture

My very vibrant mother-in-law almost died after a simple apendectomy; simply because the idiot Doctor didn't want to admit she had an infection from his surgery.

My two very wealthy sister-in-laws wanted to sue his ass and had plenty of cash to do it. None of the lawyers would take the case. It is nearly impossible to win a malpractice case in Michigan, thanks to former Governor Engler and the republicans when they were in charge.

I understand that some of the people who sue should not win, but to have a system where someone who is killed or permanently disabled due to incompetence cannot get justice is absurd. True victim should be entitled to big bucks.

If you don't want to pay out the big bucks, then get out of the insurance business! Free market baby!


If I were a psychopath, I would join the republican party, and get in on the gravy train taking the Teabircher morons to the cleaners.

cycle3man's picture

Brilliant, tort reform, my behind, how patients have

the doctors killed as a result of not having to practice thorough

medicine??????

Samson-'s picture

the hardball screen grab above looks like the before and after pictures of a heavy meth user...

ron's picture

and covering less people is not the best way to reform healthcare.

Mark B's picture

It figures that Tweety would have Foghorn Leghorn on to talk about how great things are in Mississippi. Isn't this the same state that had a KKK march this past weekend? Give me a fucking break.

i am really tired of tweety.
he willing bends over and grabs
his ankles for the gop/fringe and
even supplies the dumbass lube.

For some reason Tweety really likes this guy.

Today on King's shitty show he let McConnell say that the majority of Americans were against Health Care Reform without a challenge.

bmw 528's picture

When Matthews touts the Titanic and its crew as examples of world class shipbuilding and excellence in navigation.


"We will find fulfillment not in the goods that we have, but in the good we can do for each other."

Robert F. Kennedy

katenh's picture

so right, so fucking tragic.

"Mississippi" and "health" really don't belong in the same sentence. Don't they have one of the highest obesity rates in the country?

chris-notthetroll's picture

And I'd like to know which MS residents have seen a 60% reduction in their insurance premiums. Cause everyone I know here have seen their premiums go up, not down.

uhm, Mississippi is the fattest state in the union. With nearly 1 in every 3 people being obese. really, their system works? theres no way prices can be affordable with all those fat sick people.

Matthews: What a strange host! Republican today Democrat tomorrow. It's very disconcerting to watch this dude. He's like a chameleon...

Fred Thompson and Skeletor aka Giuliani. I remember during the early stages of the '08 primaries Matthews was waxing poetic on Thompson's Aquavelva. It was pretty surreal to watch. As for Skeletor, he thought Barbour would be the perfect conservative running mate for him. So it's no surprise that Matthews doesn't even consider or care to research how Barbour takes care of his constituents today.

C&L's posts on the Iron Law of Birtherism are excellent resources to shut down any right wing rhetoric on how well these "conservative" states are doing in terams of health care delivery.

Oh and Matthews and Barbour both need to cut the crap on tort reform. Matthews had a point in that the repugs had Congress for the better part of 12 years along with a repug president. If they thought tort reform was such a big deal to address they should've done it then. He let Barbour slither out of that one.

nyguy's picture

Matthews should have pull out a stick, a bat or something and beat him to death with it. How dare interview the guy?

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