Campbell Brown: Michael Ware Debates Torture Apologist Marc Thiessen
By Heather Saturday Jun 06, 2009 6:00pm
Campbell Brown thinks it's a "great debate" to use chickenhawk torture apologist Marc Thiessen's article at the National Revue on Obama's Cairo speech as the premise for this segment: President Obama undercut the military in his speech to the Muslim world.
What's next, Campbell? You going to ask your guests when Obama quit beating his wife?
About the only good thing about watching this was getting to see Michael Ware call a chickenhawk out to his face.
WARE: (INAUDIBLE) your article but the problem is you're not talking to a Veterans of Foreign Wars evening dinner. You're talking to the Arab or the Muslim world.
THIESSEN: Yes.
WARE: And to be honest, they don't feel terribly liberated by the U.S. military. Now, you and I might have views of that.
THIESSEN: Well, that's why the president has a responsibility to say something.
WARE: You and I may have our view of that. But when there's American tanks sitting in the Arab streets, when they see the killings in Afghanistan from our bombings, though they're not intended, that's not how they feel. When they see what happened in Abu Ghraib --
THIESSEN: The vast majority of Afghans support Americans --
WARE: You got to understand -- you got to understand, Marc, I mean, it might feel different in the ivory towers in the Capitol Hill and the Pentagon. But on the streets -- on the streets --
THIESSEN: Excuse me, I've been to Iraq and Afghanistan four times in each of those countries so I know what it's like in the Arab streets. I've been there.
WARE: Oh, I'm sorry. You spend how much time in Iraq?
THIESSEN: Oh, listen --
WARE: No, no, no, how much time, Marc? How much time, Marc?
THIESSEN: I've traveled -- oh, I know you lived there.
WARE: Right, I lived there for six years, right? I know the problem that President Obama is trying to address.
THIESSEN: Yes.
WARE: And I can tell you, I've spent more time in the trenches with your troops than I can guarantee you have. And I'm speaking for your soldiers.
THIESSEN: Michael, let me tell you something.
WARE: And I'm telling you, they don't need platitudes. They need a solution.
THIESSEN: I was under fire too. I was in the Pentagon in September 11, 2001 with our troops, so don't tell me about being under fire with the troops.
So in the chickenhawk's view, being at the Pentagon on 9-11 is the equivalent of being under fire with the troops in Iraq. That's rich. Why Brown thought subjecting Ware to this nonsense was a good idea is beyond me. He didn't seem too thrilled about it when it was over, either.
Transcript of the entire segment from LexisNexis below the fold.
BROWN: Welcome back.
Every night at this time, the "Great Debate." Tonight's premise: President Obama undercut the military in his speech to the Muslim world.
And with us to argue that point, the man who came right out and said it, Marc Thiessen, who was chief speechwriter for President Bush. Also with us, CNN international correspondent Michael Ware, who was in Iraq for much of the war.
We also want your opinion. So, vote by calling the number on the bottom of your screen.
First, we're going to have an opening statement from each of you, 30 seconds on the clock. You will hear a bell at the end of 30 seconds.
Marc, the premise again, Obama's words undercut the military. Make your case.
MARC THIESSEN, FORMER DEPUTY ASSISTANT TO THE PRESIDENT: Well, certainly, what he did was, he used throughout the speech shameful moral equivalence.
He said that the Iranian Revolution was bad, but the overthrow of Mossadegh was bad also. The Holocaust was bad, but the use of -- but the -- but the occupation of Palestine is bad also. And then he turned to our military. And he said, let me read you what he said. He said, "Just as America can never tolerate violence by extremists, we must never alter our principles -- 9/11 led us to act contrary to our principles."
That is drawing moral equivalence between the men and women of our military and our intelligence community who stop acts of violence and the men and women...
(BELL RINGING)
THIESSEN: ... who commit acts of violence.
BROWN: Michael?
MICHAEL WARE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, I listened to Marc and I have read his pieces. And, without hearing more, it's difficult for me to shake the feeling that -- that what's being said here is a gross disservice to the U.S. military and to the U.S. intelligence community.
I'm not sure that the military or intelligence communities would feel under attack. I mean, I don't know about the view from the Pentagon and the White House, but having spent far too much time in the foxholes with the American troops being shot at, I think they need less of platitudes in a speech in Cairo than of a strategic speech...
(BELL RINGING)
WARE: ... that tries to stop angry Muslims shooting at them in the first place. I think that we're really arguing a very good point.
THIESSEN: I heard a bell.
BROWN: All right, Marc, I will let you respond to that. Go ahead.
THIESSEN: Well, I mean, it's just clear what he said.
He stood on foreign soil in front of an Arab audience, in a foreign land, and said that the men and women of our intelligence community had committed torture. He said that he was closing Guantanamo Bay, without making any defense whatsoever of the good men and women who run that facility, who got vital intelligence to protect the American people, and did not commit abuse, did not commit torture.
In fact, Eric Holder, when -- when he gave a speech in Berlin, said that they were professional and that they treat detainees humanely. Just a single sentence defending them would have been sufficient. But he threw them under bus in order to curry favor with a -- with a Muslim audience.
BROWN: Michael, did -- should there have been some acknowledgement of -- of American troops and what they have done in the speech somewhere?
WARE: Well, I think that's implicit throughout, you know, all of this discourse.
And I would -- I would argue that President Obama and Cairo was not giving a Republican candidate's stump speech on the campaign trail. I mean, one needs to be aware of one's audience.
Now, the Arab Muslim world has its own firsthand appreciation of the U.S. military and intelligence community and its sons who are in Guantanamo, for better or for worse. And Guantanamo exists in its own right. I don't think we need to defend the merits of that here.
Paying lip service to the troops who have been serving there honorably anyway to the grunts who are in the field, bleeding and sweating, I don't think is going to play in a Muslim audience. I don't think that's what they were there to hear. I don't think the troops in the field or at Guantanamo need to be treated like such needy children, that they need someone to stroke their hand in every speech.
MARC THIESSEN, FORMER BUSH SPEECHWRITER: This is not about treating them like needy children.
WARE: Let's stop the Arabs attacking them in the first place. I think that's more important, Marc.
THIESSEN: Could I say something?
BROWN: Go ahead.
THIESSEN: It's not about needy children or that kind of condescending attitude from Michael. I think that's a terrible thing to say about them.
He went out and affirmatively said that they had committed torture, that Guantanamo was contrary to our ideals. So it's not that he didn't praise them, though he should have praised them. He criticized them.
WARE: Well, that's to your point and I do believe --
THIESSEN: Hold on, hold on, you said some things. Now, let me say something in response.
WARE: Yes, sure. Go for it, mate.
THIESSEN: The United States military what he should have said in his speech, and certainly it shouldn't be just a Republican that would say this, Michael. Any Republican or Democrat should both agree that from Iraq to Afghanistan, to Kosovo to Bosnia, to the first Gulf war, the United States military has done more to liberate Muslims and Arabs from oppression and tyranny and genocide than any force in human history. You're throwing them under the bus that way.
(CROSSTALK)
WARE: (INAUDIBLE) your article but the problem is you're not talking to a Veterans of Foreign Wars evening dinner. You're talking to the Arab or the Muslim world.
THIESSEN: Yes.
WARE: And to be honest, they don't feel terribly liberated by the U.S. military. Now, you and I might have views of that.
THIESSEN: Well, that's why the president has a responsibility to say something.
WARE: You and I may have our view of that. But when there's American tanks sitting in the Arab streets, when they see the killings in Afghanistan from our bombings, though they're not intended, that's not how they feel. When they see what happened in Abu Ghraib --
THIESSEN: The vast majority of Afghans support Americans --
WARE: You got to understand -- you got to understand, Marc, I mean, it might feel different in the ivory towers in the Capitol Hill and the Pentagon. But on the streets -- on the streets --
THIESSEN: Excuse me, I've been to Iraq and Afghanistan four times in each of those countries so I know what it's like in the Arab streets. I've been there.
WARE: Oh, I'm sorry. You spend how much time in Iraq?
THIESSEN: Oh, listen --
WARE: No, no, no, how much time, Marc? How much time, Marc?
THIESSEN: I've traveled -- oh, I know you lived there.
WARE: Right, I lived there for six years, right? I know the problem that President Obama is trying to address.
THIESSEN: Yes.
WARE: And I can tell you, I've spent more time in the trenches with your troops than I can guarantee you have. And I'm speaking for your soldiers.
THIESSEN: Michael, let me tell you something.
WARE: And I'm telling you, they don't need platitudes. They need a solution.
THIESSEN: I was under fire too. I was in the Pentagon in September 11, 2001 with our troops so don't tell me about being under fire with the troops.
WARE: Yes --
(CROSSTALK)
THIESSEN: And let me tell you something, the point is -- the point is --
WARE: Anyone who was there that day, but your point about the Arab street --
THIESSEN: Excuse me --
WARE: Marc, come on, mate.
THIESSEN: Can I get a word in?
WARE: Come on, Marc.
BROWN: All right. Hold on, Michael.
WARE: Let's discuss something real, Marc.
BROWN: Let Marc make a point. Let Marc make his point. Go ahead, Marc.
THIESSEN: The point is it's not that they have to be praised because for praise's sake is that he criticized them. He attacked them in a foreign land.
The president of the United States does not go to a foreign country, particularly to an Arab audience, where Al Qaeda's propaganda is echoing the things that you were saying just a moment ago about how we do all these terrible things and feed into that propaganda. That is a shameful thing for the commander in chief of the United States --
WARE: Listen, listen.
THIESSEN: Let me finish.
WARE: I understand what you're -- I understand what you're saying.
THIESSEN: It was a shameful thing for the commander in chief of the United States Armed Forces to do to the men and women under his command. He's not a left-wing senator from Illinois anymore. He's the president of the United States.
BROWN: All right.
THIESSEN: And he has responsibilities to men and women under his command.
WARE: Marc, I think you protest too much. I don't think that your boys and girls in uniform would feel as aggrieved as you do.
THIESSEN: They're not boys and girls. They are heroes.
WARE: And as you said -- as you said --
THIESSEN: They are heroes, Michael. They're not boys and girls.
WARE: As you said at some point --
BROWN: All right, guys.
WARE: The president doesn't really have shortcomings (ph) on foreign soil.
BROWN: Let me -- hold on a second. We're treading the same ground here. Let me just ask for clarification if I can from Marc.
THIESSEN: Sure.
BROWN: Because, Marc, is it -- isn't President Obama attacking not the military or the troops necessarily, but the policies of the former president and the decisions he made, and President Bush? I don't think it's directed at the people who were doing their jobs in terms of carrying out those policies. Is that a fair assessment?
THIESSEN: I don't think so, no. Because the people who carried out those policies who could -- the policies were not to torture and not to commit abuse. And the people who carried them out followed the policies and did not commit abuses. There were numerous reports that have been done on this.
And, you know, Eric Holder -- a month ago, Eric Holder went to Berlin and gave a speech on Guantanamo. And in that speech, before he said they were closing Guantanamo, he said, "I went to Guantanamo. I reviewed the place. It is conducted -- it's run professionally. It is run ethically and the detainees are treated humanely, but it's become a symbol and so we're going to close it."
BROWN: Right.
THIESSEN: All the president had to do was say that these people do the right thing before he started talking about closing Guantanamo and throwing them under the bus in a foreign audience.
BROWN: Michael, very quickly.
WARE: Marc, I think you're being far too precious. I mean, the point's taken.
Under the Bush administration there was legal authority given for what was done. Now, you wouldn't call that an extreme interrogation. You can call that waterboarding. You can call that torture. That's putting ahead. I don't think at any point there was a question about the honorable service of the troops or not.
BROWN: All right.
WARE: And to throw this up now just seems like cheap, you know, political point scoring.
BROWN: OK, guys, we're going to take a quick break. But we're going to do is we do every single night. We ask our debaters to find common ground.
I know you've got it in you. We're going to take a break and give you the commercials to think about it. When we come back, they're going to find common ground. Stay with us.
BROWN: Welcome back to our "Great Debate." Tonight's premise, President Obama undercut the military in his speech to the Muslim world.
Former Bush speechwriter Marc Thiessen thinks so. CNN international correspondent Michael Ware weighing in on the other side. After a vigorous debate, I'm asking them both to find some common ground here.
Marc, where do you think you can agree with Michael?
THIESSEN: Well, I'll propose some common ground. The church commission of 2005 which investigated claims of abuse in Guantanamo Bay, their findings were, and let me read this to you. "At Guantanamo, where there had been 24,000 interrogation sessions since the beginning of interrogation operations, there are only three cases of substantiated interrogation-related abuse all consisting of minor assault."
Michael, will you agree that the men and women in Guantanamo Bay did not torture people, did not abuse detainees, and that they acted in the -- upheld the principles of the United States of America?
WARE: Yes, Marc, that's an easy one. I mean, because you're opposing their political -- I mean, I just wish you'd stop playing political games in trying to score political points, mate.
BROWN: OK. Come on -- hey, Michael, this is the common ground part.
WARE: The bottom line and I can't blame you say this. Let me finish.
The bottom line is at no point do I cast dispersions on anyone who served in Guantanamo Bay. I think, Marc, the point of common ground that we have here is that we're both trying to stand up for the American military and intelligence community. I do so because I've been in that mud and blood and guts with them.
Now, I disagree with you that I think they would take slight from a president who failed to mention them or by referencing Guantanamo policy is discrediting them. Nonetheless, both you and I, in our different ways, are trying to say that these people are out there doing one of the hardest jobs imaginable, and they need and deserve respect. Anyone who faces those bullets in the Arab world deserves credit in my view, Marc.
THIESSEN: I agree with that 100 percent.
BROWN: I love it. Guys, thank you so much. It was a great debate, Marc and Michael.
WARE: Oh, I hardly use the word "great," Campbell.
BROWN: All right. Have a good weekend. Appreciate your time tonight.
THIESSEN: Great.
WARE: Cheers, mate.
BROWN: And we're going to see right now how you voted in tonight's "Great Debate." Thirty-seven percent agree that President Obama undercut the military with his Cairo speech, 63 percent disagree.
This is not a scientific poll. Just our snapshot of our viewers who called in tonight. And thanks to everybody who did make the call.
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Such a smug myopic fool. US imperialism -- yes such a noble task. We overthrew Iran's elected leader for the promise of capitalism (read BP keeps the oil).
make when they feel apprehensive--that little toothy grimace? Marc Thiessen keeps doing that in this video. How old do you think he is, 16? Why did they get an adolescent chimp to argue with Ware? If they were in the same room, Thiessen probably would have wet himself. This is political discourse?
I would love to waterboard the coward thiessen.
He is a liar and an idiot!
he has a nose perfect for waterboarding!
This "two sides to every argument" crap that the media feels the desire to do on every issue is revolting. Let's take a guy who lives in Iraq and square him with a guy who has heard of Iraq... seriously? By that standard, I should be an expert on the Muslim world and the military because I was in NYC when the towers were struck.
Hey Campbell, can I be on your show to debate important topics?
How about the rack. Can we discuss the merrits of bringing back the rack on tomorrow's show? I'm sure Marc Thiessen will be ready to argue a case for that too.
A man that made 4 trips to Iraq. Was in a heavily guarded area, spent a few hours and is going to tell someone that lived there for 6 years what it is like.
For the love of god these bush/chenny idiots have no shame, no honor, no integrity, no honesty, no intelligence. He is just another pastey faced lying republican.
republicanism is a mental illness don't you think?
YES! And one for which their is no cure.
"Let's talk about something real."
Excellent job by Ware.
Thiessen never did address Ware's direct question about how much time he'd spent in Iraq.
And why the hell, do the commentators let the right wingers get away with the hypocritical shit that they play on everyone else? Thiessen asks Ware to let him finish his point and then turns right around and interrupts Ware. These folks are colassol douche bags, and for some strange reason, they think no one will notice. It's why the right is currently imploding. They're actually sufficiently self-decieved that they not only believe their own BS, but that others will too.
They are treated like they are always right, by being called "the right", funny how that works. You want to see these morons act normal, quit flattering them! Republicans or conservatives are better terms for these people than right, far right, or the dreaded capitalized "Right". I wish this site would stop doing that, but I guess that's too much to ask for.
How about the "Wrongs?"
experiencing 9/11, as harrowing as that would have been, isn't being "in the trenches with the troops" like Ware has been--1 day vs. 6 years. Huge difference, and you can see it in their eyes and manner. But it's the Thiessen types who get respect.
--Campbell Brown was moderator. I'd like to see Thiessen properly destroyed by Ware is a real debate moderated by an unknown high school debate teacher who has no ties to a corporate broadcast paycheck. Brown should be ashamed.
Campbell Brown is only where she is because she smacked down Tucker Bounds before the election. She got major props for that by the liberals. She rode that baby into the show she has now and she is all full of herself like she is actually good. Frankly I can't stand to watch her. At this point it is almost as bad a watching Tucker Bounds.
That and she's married to a former Bushie (isn't that Dan Bartlett?). It doesn't hurt to have friends in high places when the corporate-owned media is looking for figureheads.
Married to Dan Senor. Sorry for the mistake.
Pure comedy. A real man who's been there and knows what he is talking about and a sissy boy who knows squat. The repub party is irrelevant. They have nothing to offer.
A few years ago I flew over Pearl Harbor and let me tell you how it was when the Japanese attacked..... Makes about as much sense as this turd debating how the Iraqis and Afghans and how our troops feel about how Bush prosecuted the war compared to what President Obama is saying and why he has to say what he is saying.
That douchebag has cheney like hubris to talk to Michael Ware about
the Middle East. That guy got pwned.
I used to like Campbell Brown. Not anymore. She's just another talking head pretending that there is two sides to torture while letting some wanker spew bullshit talking points.
Michael Ware is a top notch journalist whose done some quality work and is one of the few who can objectively report about the true nature of these wars and their costs to both sides.
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So this asshole knows all about how it is in the Arab world because he was in the Pentagon on 9-11. The Pentagon is as big as a city. This pasty faced dough boy was probably on the completely opposite side of the building in a bathroom throwing up with shit in his pants and pee on his shoes. Hahahahahahahhahahahah He knows what it's like. Just like Limbaugh knows what Vietnam was like.
9/11, 9/11, 9/11!
that he knew what it was like to "be under fire", because he was at the Pentagon that day.
Being in a fire is not the same as being "under fire". Nobody had him in their crosshairs when the plane struck the Pentagon.
Being "under fire" means that even though people are intentionally trying to kill our troops, they live with that fear and deal with it, all the while carrying out assignments that this guy Thiessen can not even imagine.
He was in a crash, explosion, and a fire. He didn't know that it was coming. Had he known would he have bravely stayed at his post?
Plane = missile
That's right.
Pentagon on 9-11." Yeah, the innermost ring ladies room where he peed his pants.
Great job Michael! I wonder how smug Marc Thiessen would be if Michael was sitting right next to him? I hate cocky little cowardly creeps, like Thiessen. That goes for Campbell Brown too, all she represents are talking heads.
CNN, wake up, Bring back Aaron Brown!
Hey, what ever happened to Aaron Brown???
He's going to be on PBS. Here's the link
(His nick in Seattle I heard somewhere)
dunno.
and he knows what's going on in the Middle East because he's been there. Obama is right to listen to people who have been there, and to not defer to people who consider a few hours of fear and confusion to be the same as living in war.
Compare Theissen to Michael Ware.
Theissen looks like a republican public relations
joke routine on SNL. But seriously folks, that's
exactly what he is. He is a wholesome republican
blow dried PR drone who looks like a freaking android
from an assembly line. Can you imagine a bunch of
heads rolling by all looking exactly like him down
on the RNC PR production line? HA!
I'll take 10 of Ware who has 100X real world experience
any day.
Ya, they all dress and act the same. All part of the Republicani plan of coarse. They would not have it any other way.
This Marc guy is not about solving issues - just look at his face...
this is what makes C&L where the funny lives.
I take seriously the viewpoint of Ware, the only Western journalist kidnapped in Iraq by Al Qaeda that I know of who survived, with the exception of the woman from the Christian Science Monitor. It was Iraqi Sunni's who demanded his release
I cannot listen to the little bitch chickenhawk and can barely stand to look at his picture. I simply hate those type of people, who not only are cowards themselves but act as though they know what they are speaking of when they clearly have their pinheads shoved up their asses
Anyone notice that Campbell dropped the "no bias no bull" tagline? Gee, I wonder why? She is just another corporate stenographer mouthing the Politboro line and getting paid big time bucks for delivering insipid mediocrity.
She is about as flaccid and weak as Thiessen who must have adopted Sarah Palin's fradulent philosophy by pretending he is some foreign policy genius with the same credentials as Ware does even though he never went to Iraq. Typical right wing liar and phony.
Other than the "GREAT debate" itself, the premise of the debate, Thiessen, and Campbell [Nancy Grace] Brown, the debate was a smashing success. Good job, CNN! I just can't understand why you're ratings going down.
Here's an idea. Maybe, just maybe, if you quit insulting the intelligance of thinking people your rating will improve. That clip was shameful!
Only two words come to mind in describing Thiessen...Condescending Twit. Oh and by the way. Nice hair dude.
It’s like a college professor having to debate a chimpanzee. So Marc, did these alleged trips to Iraq include any power point presentations??
Michael Ware looks like he just stepped off the battlefield.
Marc Theissen looks like he just stepped out of a limo.
I'll take the commentary of someone who has actually lived in the Arab world over some pasty think-tank "fellow" who is probably afraid of his own shadow.
Why do all these Repub torture and imperialism apologists always look like clones of the Pillsbury Doughboy?
Hey, I was gonna ask that.
This is what Ware says (said): "I've seen that point" in your article..
And did this punk-ass bitch really say, "i was under
attackfire, too, Michael. I was at the Pentagon on Sept. 11th. ???He'd be dead.
Wow. he spent time "under fire with the troops" at the pentagon. Really? That little pasty prep schooler wouldn't last two seconds in Iraq or Afghanistan. He wouldn't even last 3 seconds back in the Troubled areas in Ireland. Time with troops under fire? He should be taken out back and spanked like the little rich kid he is.
Those who sit at desks sending other people's children to their deaths in foreign lands? Those troops? Dispatch him to East LA or the South Bronx. Let's see how he holds up then.
smart guy with stubble and little smile against doughy clean-shave repulitard...par for the course
Marc Thiessen, a perfect representation of the Bush administration approach to everything: Talk a high principled talk and couple it with extreme hubris and even more extreme incompetence resulting in avoidable chaos and loss of life. Yeah, lets do what Thiessen says so the troops will feel more comfy as they feel the impact of the roadside bombs. What a f--ng idiot.
Thiessen wrote his attack article before Obama even opened his mouth? Please, the memo is so stale "Obama attacks U.S. on foreign soil" I can see it on a whiteboard in some RNC think tank. Anyone who truly thinks that what President Obama was saying is an idiot. No fair and balanced bullcrap necessary.
Note to Marc, America was under attack on 9/11. Not just you. Firefighters and rescue workers are the heroes of that day. Not you.
Ware is awesome, as per usual. How he continues to deal with losers of this ilk I don't know. It must be maddening.
to thiessen for his tenacity for twisting the argument. he closes with his only "win" by getting ware to concede his point (that us soldiers are good). too bad his point had nothing to do with the question.
Thiessen is a hardcore wingnut, and his claims about torture "working" have never been substantiated. I've never seen him before - he's quite doughy and smug. Thiessen waves the flag and tries to hide behind the troops when the policies he's still backing have killed many and endangered even more.
They bring on a fucking speechwriter to debate foreign policy and security matters with Michael Ware - a man who spent more time in Iraq than any civilian anywhere. What makes Thiessen qualified to discuss any of this???
Tomorrow on Campbell Brown: anti-gravity scientists from the Heritage Foundation and AEI, will be on to debate leftwingers Sir Isaac Newton, and Galileo Galilei.
He was under attack on 9/11!!!!!
had the knuckle draggers cheering. I haven't really come to a conclusion as to what people like him and other right wingers says about America. Does the pathetic ignorance of a few reflect badly on us all "YES", are these people patriots " Hummm! I haven't come to a firm conclusion on that", I am sure that in the little flea turd of a brain that they have they consider themselves super patriots. These people have disgusted me since Reagan started it all, I'm 60 and I remember Eisenhower, I just wish we had more Republicans like him, but it seems like they prefer Rush. That's ok too; the stupider they are the longer they are out of power. P.S. There are a few Dems we need to shitcan also, and we should start with Arlen Spincter .
the republicans are desperately falling over themselves to kiss the ass of our troops because they know they fucked up and are doing them a disservice
I just hope that they see the major improvements they need so that they will learn not to vote republican (or at least not to vote against their own best interetst...republican) ever again.
If they really cared they would have given them proper equipment and would advocate bringing them home, ASAP. They only want us to believe that they care. Not working, is it.
I love how this nit-wit want to say "I've been to Iraq and Afghanistan 4 times" but when Ware points out that he has been there for 6 years all of a sudden it doesn't count any more.
We wouldn't give Al Quaida a forum to speak why would we give the republicans a forum?
silhouetted has all the characteristics of a typical thug genus that belongs in a (large) specimen drawer inside an anthropological museum.
Round face absent of character, bland (compare to Michael).
Shapeless soft corpulent body.
Hair that is excessively 'coiffed'.
Inability to feel anything beyond fullness after a meal.
Don't bother.
is married to the former Bush deputy WH Press Secretary Dan Senor.
Conflict?
Did Thiessen ever serve in the military?
a probable Regent U graduate " poofter "
a ballsy Australian with six years experience in Hell
this is what Ms. Brown, ( who seems to have a hard time enunciating
properly, by the way ) deems a debate ? No wonder CNN is on the
downward slide. Are there no ballsy American reporters resembling
Mr. Ware working these days ? ( In no way am I saying I'm not
appreciating him, I'm just wondering. ) American Journalists=
Take the money and leave your spine at home along with your
integrity.
..as exhibited by the right wing tool is why the US is hated worldwide..
Obama is just doing damage control, trying to fix what can't be repaired..
enough said
Haven't we determined that a large portion of the "enhanced interrogations" were conducted by private contractors? How is that throwing our military under the bus?
To avoid a draft. Chickenhawks learned from Nam that the draft will kill a war, especially one like Iraq. Thus, hire "soldiers." Corporate soldiers who get all their benefits from their corporate employers. That leaves more taxpayer money to be taken by Bush, Cheney, et al.
Veteran's benefits? Bah.
Now now, Michael, let Marc finish his big long bullshit diatribe.
That chickenshit Thiessen even had to go hide behind 9-11. What a fucking coward.
...seems to have gotten more shrill and strident since last fall when I first tuned into CNN for election coverage.
Her voice is more like fingernails down a blackboard...or, dare I say, almost EXACTLY like that of the campaigning Sarah Palin.
Auuugghh! Earplugs, PLEASE!
...and I'll be your petulant interrupter today. Now apologize in advance for talking while I was interrupting you.
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