Rove loses his cool in debate with Obama aide
Holding a whiteboard and yelling about the cost of health care reform, former Senior Bush advisor Karl Rove melted down on ABC's This Week Sunday. Rove faced off against David Plouffe, one of President Barack Obama's senior advisors.
Rove is a paid contributor for Fox News where he rarely receives the kind of debate offered by Plouffe.
Luke Russert, son of the late Tim Russert, took exception to Rove's use of the whiteboard. "With all due respect to Mr. Rove, a man I find quite personable, a breakdown of #s on a whiteboard should only be done by 1 man," tweeted Russert.
ROVE: Look, I think the country is better off if this thing doesn't pass. This thing is $2.4 trillion for the first 10 years of its operation. This thing has 10 years' worth of -- of tax increases, $569 billion in tax increases, including $210 billion in a new payroll tax and a new 3.8 percent surtax on investments that's going to make us less competitive, $500 billion-plus in Medicare cuts to pay for, in essence, four complete years of the operation of this program.
The subsidies don't begin until year four and are not fully operational until year 10. If you look at the first 10 years of the operation of this thing, it is $2.4 trillion, and this thing is paid for by Bernie Madoff-style accounting in which they double-count money and ignore enormous costs. They claim $138 billion of deficit reduction, but it's either between $480 billion in debt -- in deficits added to the -- to the red ink...
KARL: So...
ROVE: ... if you just look at what they double-count, and it's $720 billion if you count what they ignore in here. These people are double-counting $53 billion worth of Social Security revenue twice, once for Social Security, once to pay to this program; $70 billion for the new long-term care premium, they count it for the premium program and then for paying for this program. They count $500 billion worth of Medicare cuts twice. They ignore $208 billion in Medicare doc fixes that they just put off to the side and said we'll -- we'll pay for that later and $30 billion in Medicaid doc fixes.
This thing is not $138 billion in the black. It is either $480 billion, if you look at what they double-count, or $720 billion in deficit in the first 10 years if you take what they ignore.
KARL: So, David...
ROVE: This thing is a gigantic disaster.
KARL: ... Bernie Madoff accounting, a gigantic disaster?
PLOUFFE: Well, you know, listen, Karl and the Republicans would be familiar with that, since under their leadership, they took us from big budget surpluses at the beginning of the last decade to a $1.3 trillion deficit by not paying for things like the prescription drug plan, two wars, big tax cuts.
So, no, this is -- the Congressional Budget Office is very clear. Over the next two decades, this is going to cut the deficit by over a trillion dollars.
ROVE: But -- but...
PLOUFFE: A trillion dollars.
ROVE: ... cuts the deficit, it only cuts the deficit if you double-count, as you double-count $53 billion worth of Social Security payroll taxes twice, if you double-count $500 billion in Medicare cuts twice, once for reducing the cost of the $38 trillion unfunded liability in Medicare and, at the same time, for the current expenditures in this program, and if you double-count $72 trillion in premium payments for a new long-term care entitlement program twice, once for premium payments for the program and once for this.
Look, you have run up more deficit before this bill in the first 20 months and 11 days of your term in office than was done in the entire Bush years. Your plan is to take the deficits, which were 2 percent under George W. Bush, to 5.1 percent over the next 10 years under Barack Obama.
Don't be lecturing us about what you're doing with the profligate spending that started last year with the failed stimulus bill and continued with your budget increases. You have increased the discretionary domestic spending budget in the United States 25 percent starting in the middle of the last fiscal year.
This is $2.4 trillion in cost for its first 10 years, and the country cannot afford it, and you will bankrupt the country if this bill passes.
As I noted this morning, Rove said "this bill will be a disaster for the country if it passes. I pray every morning that it DOES pass" referring to the 2012 election.
PS: We need an Open Thread for the vote today.
Blackburn just said on CSpan, "Freedom dies today."
* There are two types of Republicans: millionaires and suckers.
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Rove spoke for over 4 minutes of that 5:47 clip.
That was no "debate".
"Someday somebody related to some of these sufferers, these victims, these collaterally damaged souls, may try to kill you. And I have to tell you, I think you’ll have it coming." - Christopher Cooper
Terrible moderator and pussified Obama Aide made it the KKKarl Rove Show.
'Talk to the hand'
Rove did speak for almost the entire clip and wouldn't let David Plouffe answer the questions and then at the end complained that David didn't answer any of the questions. - and there are people who fall for shit like this and think Rove (or the repug of the day) made great points and "won" the "debate"
But any good Republican will tell you Rove "won"
But for that all he had to do was fart.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!
Exactly right--when are these saps going to get a clue and call out these frauds like Rove in a more affirmative way?
The first thing is you never let these arrogant bastards talk over you---if you have a clueless moderator who can't or won't control things then take matters in your own hands.
Fight fire with fire, I say. Enough of these wimps that water down our message because they are too intimidated by cowards like Rove.
"We will find fulfillment not in the goods that we have, but in the good we can do for each other."
Robert F. Kennedy
Exactly.
Moderator - "So Karl, you've just thrown out some BS numbers, I won't bother to refute them, I'll just go to the horse race aspect of the vote."
When you're done posting here, let ABC know you don't approve of this one sided nonsense, www.abcnews.com
Christiane Amanpour can't get there soon enough.
You tell him, David! Hey, let's face it, Duke Rove just doesn't like people from Delaware. He didn't like them as far back as 1995 - 1996. Probably because they are smarter than he is -- and better dancers!
Yep. And it's a perfect metaphor for how Democrats and Republicans interact. Republicans filibuster, scream and lie, and Democrats politely act like they're engaged in a fair debate.
Rove knows exactly what he's doing. He's feigning righteous indignation, and employing the "blind them with science" technique. He knows the average person listening has no clue how to double check any of the math and accounting he's yammering about, so he figures that if he says it with conviction, people will bestow credibility onto him he does not really deserve. And he's correct.
It doesn't help matters when the "moderator" just lets it happen, but it also doesn't help when the Democratic opponent just sits there, politely waiting out his turn.
No, no, no! Dumb answer. Plouffe just sounds like a petty little shit here. He's convincing only to people who are already on his side, which is a waste of time.
They have no credibility? Wrong phrasing, Plouffe. You say, "Karl Rove is a giant liar, and everyone knows it. I don't care how many little chalk boards he pulls out that he knows no one can read anyway. He's just making stuff up."
Than let Rove scream more, and when he's done you say, "See, he didn't actually explain it, he just told his same lies over again. That's what the other side does. They repeat lies loudly, and hope it gets accepted. And thanks to the media bias, you're not even challenging him, Mr. Russert."
Democrats are either the biggest political morons or they really don't want to win their political battles.
Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?
the pig that is Rove will not be able to spout such slop and get away with it. The man is execrable.
“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
rope, tree. Some assembly required.
I think I can figure out ho to put the pieces together.
I really hope that Ms. Amanpour does a better job with that forum than we've seen lately.
Who is this moderator? He sucks! Rove thinks that just because he gets his dick sucked on Faux news that everyone should let him blather on with his bullshit. He should have been cut off. And the senior aide should have jumped on him sooner. Disgusting clip.
We have inablers.
just wanted to repeat himself again and again, the desperation is amazing to watch. I would have liked to have heard what David Plouffe had to say in response to his points. Too bad Rove didn't let that happen.
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
Karl talked for 97% of the time. This is bullshit!
NOBODY 2012
Yeah - Rove usually lies his ass off anyway, but man, this was a firehose of bullshit.
it was in the newspapers, it must be true if it waas in the news.
His name is Duke! Duke, I tell you.
Calendar Section, image of Bill O'Reilly, and while I haven't read it I have read the teaser. Basically, it's saying Billo has been vindicated by being the voice of moderation and reason at FOX.
I know you all recall my posts on dropping that POS paper. Here's another perfect example.
When billo is the voice of moderation. I am totally ashamed of the entire GOP. My god how did these people become so stupid!
The stimulus bill hasn't failed. Employers have stopped laying people off, but it sounds like it'll be a while before they start rehiring. The Recession started under boosh and was coming dangerously close to a Depression, dependent upon which definition you use. The government is still holding about half the money for stimulus to see where it can best be utilized.
And all turdblossom did is what's referred to as Argumentum ad Verbosium, or what the rest of us call diarrhea of the mouth.
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under bush's brain we had eight years of failure in the economy and every other aspect you can think of.
I don't understand why anyone believes what he says?
When Plouffe mentioned hanging up the mission acomplished banner again, Rove lost it. He attacked Plouffe for denigrating our brave fighting men and women. Rove grabbed that straw man and held on tight. It even made the host laugh a little.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Plouffe made my day with his remark!
Tell it to Phil Gramm. LOL, LOL, LOL
and I don't know who's numbers are more accurate.
But one thing is for CERTAIN - this country went to hell in a handbasket while Rove's Brain was implanted in GW Chimp's skull.
Time to give the Democrats the benefit of the doubt and the chance to fuck things up.
At least the common man will have a bone thrown their way with them in charge.
I like having a bone...
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and we love it!
“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMK6lzmSk2o
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Amazing! Rove is so much smarter than the CBO. It's obvious the CBO got duped, and the financial genius that is Karl Rove got it all figured out and used the Glenn Beck communication method to prove to the US how stupid the CBO is. Honestly, what a total clown this guy is.
When the CBO projected (correctly) a $1.3 trillion deficit for the tax cuts ... he didn't seem to claim double counting ...
... when the illegal and immoral invasion of Iraq was (and still is) costing billions of dollars?
What about THAT waste, you sick little twat?
Bombs and tanks and death are acceptable to these cretins. Affordable healthcare for the American citizenry is not.
I hate these people.
BID
And this bill, why being moderately effective in what it proposes to accomplish has sent the right into seizures.
I just wish single payer was up for a vote, then we could all watch them slowly go down in one final death spiral.
I can dream can't I.
Plouffe couldn't really speak because of the overwhelming stench of Boehner on KKKarls' breath. Nice whiteboard, "coach". When are you going to take one for the team (besides Scooter, that is) and start serving your sentence. I'm sure a couple of the boys on the inside will agree ya shure got a purty mouth. That'll teach you to keep it shut.
do they just go away?
and one I have wondered about too. I think they call it "in contempt." Well, he certainly is a contemptuous bastard.
Listening to the Left and the Right on this issue all morning...
On the Right, it's "tyranny", "disaster", "Armageddon"... "the end of the country as we know it."
The hyperbole coming from the Right would almost be comical if it wasn't inciting their lunatic followers to violence.
* There are two types of Republicans: millionaires and suckers.
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the real motive would be for the teabaggers to cause violence, get THEIR ASS KICKED and end up in the hospital and then say, "See health care didn't work for me, I still got hurt and insurance isn't paying for it".
Did Turd-Blossom just choke on his pork $oda?
Republicans outright lie on these shows. Their plan is to distort and misinform on live TV. When they are fact checked and proven wrong the next day it is too late.
This is not my father's America
replacing FACTS with PREFERENCES.
Our next generation will be a generation of dunces. (not that this generation is much better).
“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
Rove dominated the conversation. Everything he said may have all been lies but he took command of the interview and that is what the typical dumb American will come away with. The uninformed that don't know the facts will see a submissive Democrat, and a passionate Rove. The moderator should have shut Rove up and given David a chance to speak, but when he didn't, David should have fought for his time. That is the core problem with the Democrats. They are TOO reasonable and over estimate the public's intelligence. It is NOT ENOUGH to have only the truth. You have to fight for your message as well.
does not watch This Week. He is waiting for the spiky haired guy's
new game show and Celebrity Apprentice. Don't you read any ads on this blog?
"That's fu*#ing retarded."
Big City Mayor
Plouffe should have come prepared. He knew what Rove's talking points would be. Rove just kept repeating the same points over and over. Rove "won" because he bullied the debate and wasn't refuted in a convincing matter. It's not enough to say that Rove-Bush fucked things up when they were in power and think that will end the debate. The Dems have to know what the talking points are - which should be very predictable - and be prepared to do some smackdown. Jeeesh.
But I enjoyed his panic attack. You are correct, he is not used to not being in control. To get at him, an opponent must push him off center. Not easy because that is his tactic also. He molds even the questions asked of him. Why pray tell is he even on our television?
He is evil and he believes the big lie. In fact he is a main perpetrator of the big lie.
as national shame. Why is David Vitter still a Senator, or John Ensign or Mark Sanford still a Governor? Elliot Spitzer resigned, so did Massa. Democrats see that those that embarrass the Party are removed. The GOP just doubles down and the media falls into line. There is no price to pay for moral or criminal acts anymore. Look at Wall Street. There is actually a huge reward for criminal acts. Rove, and much of the Bush Administration are the worst kind of criminals (War deaths, torture, spying, financial crisis) and yet there was never any accountability. Where was the media? When the media is so compliant towards one side(GOP), how will anyone ever be held to account? Obama was wrong to want to simply move on and look ahead. You cannot correct course and insure against future heinous acts unless you hold people to account.
Thanks.
“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
Because the "lib'rul media" is a big lie. Our media is bought and paid for by conservative corporations. And until we get back a "fairness" act of some sort in media , we're screwed.....and maybe, because right wing politics is so entrenched, nothing will ever change, as long as we let the media mold our political conversation.
“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
Nixon licker, Rove should go the way of Saint Reagan, Loser Bush, Loser McCain, Loser Palin.
When your ideas are failures, QUIT!
I seriously doubt anyone listening to Rove followed what he was saying. We know what he's going to say because, well, he's Karl Rove. His supporters didn't follow him because it's not their job to question him, it's their job to trust him to be right no matter what he says.
To me he came across as a little frantic and desperate. Kind of like a crazy man.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Said the draft dodging college drop-out who never held elected office..
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Whose only reason for not being in jail is because of technicalities he would deny everyone else
Especially minorities.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Aided and abetted Novak on the outing of Valerie Plame.
Who also got a pass. Libby was the fall guy for that one. But all he got busted for was obstruction of justice.
Just like North was the fall guy for Reagan.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
Girls don't make passes at fat-asses who wear glasses.
Story of my life.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
apparently Jeff Gannon did......lots of times.
“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
When Karl took a breath, Plouffe should have said, Crazy mofos say what?
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
I must have missed that.
“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
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The more Republicans scream and kick and whine about this bill, the more I start to think it's probably going to be a good plan. Because anything they love is a disaster for the country, and anything that enrages them so much is probably going to be of great benefit to millions of Americans.
Another prediction: 10-20 years down the road, when it proves to be successful, these same slimeballs will be trying to take credit for it and/or attributing its success to the Reagan administration.
Or saving it from the dumbocrats.
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Too bad, Turdblossum.
Why didn't Kerfluffle ask turdblossom, "Tell me, karl, where did you get your accounting degree?"
"Why did your parents name you after Karl Marx?"
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
....."Tell me, karl, where did you get your accounting degree?".....
Karl got his "accounting degree" in Billings, Montana. Where else?
The host allowed that fat slob to bloviate for 90% of the interview with his made-up facts. He successfully shut down President Obama's spokesperson.
I'm sorry...but to our brain dead, hate-filled, geriatric repukkke reich-wingers....rove looked like he won. Even to an open minded, somewhat intelligent educated American....it looked like rove had some points that were totally unchallenged.
Pathetic interview.
I know he is desperate. I know THEY are desperate. But Jesus, give me a break. Are we going to give them stage to bloviate their lies and bull shit right up until the vote????
You make the same point I have been trying to make.
Whoever he is, the "moderator" was useless & disgusting. He even allowed himself to be shouted down by the little bald elf Rove, who is a fascist pig, bent on covering his own criminal ass and the Fox Propaganda Channel gives him the platorm to do so, that's why he thinks he can take over any talk program he chooses. I HATE to see this little creep get away with the monoplolization of an entire program like he did on this one. It was the moderator's ineptitude & inability to do his job that is ultimately at fault. Possibly he shared Rove's agenda, which would also be a travesty.
Woody McBreairty
the networks are all run by rich conservatives...they haven't been a true reflection of the facts to the American people since Bush became president...and perhaps before that--remember, Reagan killed the Fairness Act. Their mission in life is to MAKE MONEY, and apparently Democrats and "lib'ruls" don't make them enough. Lying bloviators like KKKarl and Liz the Spawn of Satan Cheney know that if they say a lie long enough and loud enough, soon it becomes the truth to weak-ass people who are too lazy to look for the truth or don't know any better, and they also know that they will be not be challenged by the bought and paid for press. Once they get their sh*t out there, it's in the minds of all those low information voters, and there to stay. It's like this: you can't unring that bell. Mission Accomplished.
“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
C-span is showing some live pictures around DC today. They showed a group of tea party people and then when the camera backed away, it showed there were almost as many photographers there as protesters. The weird thing is that almost all these few protesters look like they could be related. It's just strange, they all seem to be from the same mold.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
butt Rove doesn't - another tactic
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Dear Mr. Rove,
We're still trying to count on all the Iraqi Oil reserves to pay for the invasion...
... Like THAT kind of math?
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Starve the WAR Beast...
... Save the World.
Repukes: Trillions for war = good; trillions for healthcare = bad.
Dems vs Pukes: It would be nice if you could use the analogy: bringing a knife to a gunfight; but with Dems it's like bringing a sponge to a gunfight.
Here about in Texas we call it bringing a spork to a gun fight.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
From my family to you Karl Rove. Go F Yourself buddy. And it's Democratic party asshole. With a capital D and an ic. And all that's missing is you K.
Maybe you'll remember that next time we kick your republican ass.
The typical viewer does not know the facts about HCR or the back story on Rove and the GOP. It is about winning the debate in front of the camera. David did not fight for his time. The truth is irrelevant on these kind of shows. It is about dominating the conversation. Who is the most passionate. Who gets to talk the most. The Republicans know this. They interupt. They talk over the opposition and the host. They raise their voices. The average viewer sees them as strong and engaged. The professorial intellectual approach with soft spoken reason may speak the truth, but all the viewer sees is a weak submissive opponent. The reason Bill Clinton beat Bush Sr was because his team knew how to battle Republicans. They knew they had to be faster, louder, and dominate the narrative. That is the only way. You don't get the publics attention by being polite and waiting your turn. The GOP will never allow you a turn.
When did he ever have cool to begin with?
And… It may be spelled Democratic Party but there is precious little democracy.
Where is the coverage of the anti-war protests in DC?
As for Bill Clinton knowing how to beat the Republicans, he WAS a Republican.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
Nadir is the only Democrat we have left.
"That's fu*#ing retarded."
Big City Mayor
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Even a greased pig, squeels...
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Starve the WAR Beast...
... Save the World.
Rover admonishing ANYONE about "throwing around epithets"(@3:45).
He's upset 'cause someone else is cutting in on HIS specialty.
should have his picture in an encyclopedia under "pasty greasy white guy"
I think we have the proof in the pudding already and David Plouffe was barely able to get them out because of Rove's constant interrupting. It must be very upsetting to Rove that so much of what he values is coming under direct attack and is being corrected. The question I have at this point is, why is this fat pig still allowed to speak over the airwaves? If he had anything at all to do with the country's economics over the last 8 years, he had something to do with going from a surplus to a 1.3 trillion dollar deficit, to outsourcing a vast amount of work to other countries, to allowing the almost complete deregulation of the financial industry and the predatory and highly risky marketing that Wall Street indulged thanks in part to governmental policies that helped make it easier for that to happen. Turdblossom is no economist. It was during the 8 years of the Bush administration when he was advising Bush that Bernard Madoff was allowed to run his ponzi scheme and that the business practices of Bear Stearns and Lehmann Brothers caused their implosions. So, why should anyone ever listen to Karl Turdblossom ever again on economics or on any other issues? He's done enough to ruin the economy and run the entire country into the ground. He should be permanently banned from all forms of media.
at Faux Noise....witness the travesty that was the interview of that cretin Bairbreit(sp?) the other day and his CONSTANT RUDE INTERRUPTION of our legally elected President Obama, who could hardly get a complete sentence finished before the buttinsky opened his pie hole, yelling, "but, but, but". It was a disgusting display of disrespect on the part of a major news network, and it NEVER happened when they interviewed St. George (who, incidentally, was NOT legally elected, either time), when the interviewer spoke in hushed, reverential tones and hung on every word the warmonger said. Fair and Balanced, my fat fanny.
“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
.....It was during the 8 years of the Bush administration when he was advising Bush that Bernard Madoff was allowed to run his ponzi scheme and that the business practices of Bear Stearns and Lehmann Brothers caused their implosions......
Yeah, and it was during six years of Bush Texas governorship when Karl was advising Bush on Enron.
It's about time someone put Turd Blossom in his place. 'Deal with the charts'??? Yeah, like I and many other people are going to believe some numbers scribbled on a little dry-erase board by a man who has attended many universities, graduated from none and holds no real degree in anything. Wasn't it interesting he almost went ballistic when the Iraq war was brought up? Don't look now Mr. Rove, but the hypocrisy that knows no bounds from the GOP is showing...again. I guess it's OK for a bunch criminal NeoCons to 'ruin' the future of our progeny, but not a Democrat Administration? Rove and his like have put our country into such a deep shit hole, I doubt a little more is going to make that big of difference. Karl Rove is an insipid little turd. He is one of the last people who have any right to be whining about deficits.
Government + the Federal Reserve = organized crime
The bald elf Karl Rove made it clear why he turned the George W presidency into a disaster. This man is so creepy, loud mouthed & repuslive, yet he is allowed to run rough shod over the other guest, the so called host of this program needs to find a job he can handle, there was no need for him to even be there. The fascist Rove is a sicko who has no kind of considration for others in any way, he is a political hack and shill for the Fox Propaganda Network.
Woody McBreairty
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Karl Rove won that "debate" because he isn't being prosecuted for not honoring the Subpoena he was issued a few years ago. There is no justice in this country.
Rove wins as long as he escapes justice for his crimes.
"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." ~ Eleanor Roosevelt
THE math.
"That's fu*#ing retarded."
Big City Mayor
Yup! much like a chickemns ass this piece of shit sprued forth what ALL Anti AMerican Traitors do Lies, False hood and Twisted Truths. This piece of shit who is a known TRAITOR, and HATE and Dispises America much like the Racist Nazi Party of NO that he belongs to.
One year and all this chickens ass can talk about is shit much like the WORTHLESS party this TRAITOR belongs to.
I agree. We spent 8 years with nothing but lying cowards in the whitehouse the senate and congress. Now we still have half or maybe 75% of the cowardly lying asshole still running around free spewing bullshit every where they go.
My god why can't Holder step up to the plate and get some trials started for these traitors?
republicanism/conservatism is a mental illness! They have killed the economy and god knows how many people have died because of these reprobates!
I heard Rove steamroll his points and ate up the clock repeating his new math over and over again. How about a Democrat growing a pair and telling the fat bastard to shut the hell up for a moment and let someone else make a point
That was a pisspoor performance by Plouffe. He let Rove walk all over him. Just another Dem who appears not to know how to fight back.
More, please.
Nice to see Plouffe handle it so smoothly.
Rove has been going on and on about the deficits that it creates. Funny, that did not bother him or his boss Pres Bush from not funding tax breaks, no child left behind and the medicare part D. The CBO has already scored the bill. I have no idea why he thinks he knows better. When they scored the tax cuts, they said they would add over a trillion to the deficit. Media Matters has more debunking:
http://mediamatters.org/research/201003110008
Plouffe didn't get a chance to say much, but he said all he had to:
"Karl, you have no credibility talking about budget deficits."
and Plouffe came across as a patient parent dealing with a toddler's temper tantrum.
Plouffe=gentleman (except for one dig at the end)
Rove=bloviating bully (non-stop)
Rove is in Macarthy territory.
how about when this scumbag mentioned illegal email usage ask him to explain how he broke White House rules on email retention when he was politicizing the justice dept?
He is one lying son of a bitch. I would love to pop his head like the pimple he is. When bush came into office we had a projected surplus of 3 trillion dollars and in less then 8 years we had a 15 trillion dollar debt. You tell me who the lying bastard is?
never trust a filthy republican.
of this show was a former fox correspondent who covered the Bush campaigns with loving, suck up coverage, it's no surprise that he allowed Rove to filibuster the entire segment.
That no one has the balls to stomp on Rove, yet interviewers have no such qualms about interrupting the prez when he's being interviewed, shows how effective the power of intimidation and school yard bully tactics really are.
What passes for journalism in this country is allowing for the undoing of integrity of media honesty.
I had to double check that this was ABC, since it sounded so much like Fox. Not only was the moderator a complete waste of space, where the hell are the producers and engineers backstage? The person who can say 'Cut that guy's mike', and the one who can flip a switch?
An absolute disgrace of a programme. When we're done with health care reform, damn, I'd love to see some legislation on television journalism. When did ALL the news outlets become nothing but 'infotainment' and propoganda machines?
I made a mistake on the moderator being a former foxer. Sorry
But I stand by the rest of my thought.
What these shows need is to be on a 30 second to 1 minute delay.
Use that time to do a fact check on what guests say and run a chyron at the bottom of the screen like:
Rove said that Obama has increased the debt by 200 zillion dollars, $3.00 more than Bush so Obama is the anti-christ.
Fact: Bush raised the debt 3% more than Obama and this is even with the Obama administration including the cost of the 2 wars where Bush did not.
It would at least slow the liars down (probably wouldn't stop all of them) and you would provide your audience with the facts for a change.
Godalmighty, we have to endure turdblossom squacking you should have posted Plouffe snapping him with 'Mission Accomplished', he almost had a stroke. Hilarity ensued.
why do we have to listen to these guys week after week? and just let them spew their lies? oh yeah, media ownership. why bother watching these shows, i can hardly bear the clips. and usually don't. thanks for your work C&L, i guess someone has to do it.
like a child having a temper tantrum. Lying scumbag. He should not be on these talk shows. He is a "reporter" for FOX. He no longer belongs in the political position representing a Political Party. The media needs to grow a pair.
What a sight. I thought I was going to witness Rove stroke out. Now that would have been a sight. What a lying piece of shit. And hypocrite. Do you know why I know this bill is just fine? It's because the Republics are going out of their minds over it. When the Republics are this nuts you know you are doing a good job. They are worries sick. They know this will hurt them for years to come. What a great sight to see Rove come unhinged.
Does Rove think he did himself any favors with this crazy outburst? He showed what kind of asshole he is. Fat fucking piece of shit. Did you see Colbert have a canned ham on his show with some Rove style glasses on the canned ham. It was the funniest thing I have seen in a while. It was funny because it looked just like Rove.
Here is the Colbert thing with Rove as a canned ham. Too funny!!!!!!!!!!!! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOllloLOLo
double post sorry
Fuck Karl Rove. He talks about too much money being spent...but stays silent on the cost of the WARS. Fuck him a million times. He has zero credibility.
NOBODY 2012
What don't Dems ever tell these clowns to shut-up, and respect their chance to speak. Right-wingers want their time, and your as well.
Ooh, the fat lying sack of sad shit got all in a flap? Suck it, Rove.
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/7273/29124...
My daughter decided to put the interview into an image.
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... on Turdblossom? He became totally irrelevent the day Bush left office, and before that, he was just a turd, though a somewhat relevent turd due to the position he held. Over a year ago, we should have been able to watch him spinning his way down the porcelain abyss, never to be heard from again. And that reminds me... why, oh why, do the media keep putting Peggy Noonan in front of the cameras? She became irrelevent much longer ago.
Yeah, we EXPECT Meet the Press (and lame-ass David Gregory, and his predecessor Russert) to give the rightwingers "home-court advantage", but I've come to expect (a little) more of ABC This Week. Rove should have had his mike cut off more than once when he was talking over Plouffe. If Rove had to play fair in a debate, he'd lose every time.
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