Lieberman wants probe of 'terrorist attack' at Ft. Hood
By David Sunday Nov 08, 2009 10:00am
Homeland Security Chairman Sen. Joe Lieberman told Fox News' Chris Wallace that he wants the Department of Defense to launch an investigation into the shooting rampage at Ft. Hood. Lieberman said evidence indicates that Major Nidal Malik Hasan was probably a "self-radicalized, homegrown terrorist."
"If the reports that we're receiving of various statements he made, acts he took, are valid, he had turned to Islamist extremism, and, therefore, if that is true, the murder of these 13 people was a terrorist act and, in fact,it was the most destructive terrorist act to be committed on american soil since 9/11," Lieberman said Sunday.
Lieberman wants the Department of Defense to conduct a special investigation to see if the shootings could have been predicted. "While the Army and the FBI are conducting the criminal investigation about exactly what happened and what Dr. Hasan should be charged with, the U.S. Army, the Department of Defense has a real obligation to convene an independent investigation to go back and look at whether warning signs were missed, both the stress he was under, but also the statements that he was making which really could lead people to believe that Dr. Hasan had become an Islamist extremist," said Lieberman.
"A couple of years ago, after a two-year investigation, my committee put out a report that said the new face of terrorism in America would not just be the attacks as 9/11 organized abroad and sending people in here, it would be people within this country, homegrown terrorists, self-radicalized, often over the internet, going to jihadist websites, and there's concern from what we know now about Hasan that, in fact, that's exactly what he was, a self-radicalized home grown terrorist," Lieberman concluded.
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You'd find three squirrel families living high on the hog in that skull.
so that he and the other motherfuckers can go around saying, "Look! it happened again! on Obama's watch!!" while giving each other reacharounds.
man, he is the scum of the earth. POS!
he would have turned on his own people if it meant the possibility of sniffing the jockstraps or codpieces of his superiors
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but you wouldn't want to see or smell it.
Actually, the donation is through Amazon.com Associates Program. It isn't Amazon.com, but other individuals that sell through Amazon.com. Amazon itself overwhelmingly supports Democrats (see open secrets).
This self important lobbyist [Joe LIEberman] doesn't think there are people investigating this? Bullsiht! He just wants to amp up this side of the narrative the bastard. That's low. LIEberman has developed quite the rattitude.
> Did you know that if you buy from Amazon they donate money
> to the RGA? The republican govenors association?
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> Did you know that if you buy from Amazon they donate money
> to the RGA? The republican govenors association?
I never buy from Amazon unless I absolutely have to. I have two reasons:
1. I believe in supporting my local businesses as much as I can.
2. With all of the identity theft going on nowadays, I do not like having to give ANY personal information over the Net.
Now "project" has given me a third reason not to use Amazon. Thanks, my friend. I appreciate your effort.
> Did you know that if you buy from Amazon they donate money
> to the RGA? The republican govenors association?
I never buy from Amazon unless I absolutely have to. I have two reasons:
1. I believe in supporting my local businesses as much as I can.
2. With all of the identity theft going on nowadays, I do not like having to give ANY personal information over the Net.
Now "project" has given me a third reason not to use Amazon. Thanks, my friend. I appreciate your effort.
> Did you know that if you buy from Amazon they donate money
> to the RGA? The republican govenors association?
I never buy from Amazon unless I absolutely have to. I have two reasons:
1. I believe in supporting my local businesses as much as I can.
2. With all of the identity theft going on nowadays, I do not like having to give ANY personal information over the Net.
Now "project" has given me a third reason not to use Amazon. Thanks, my friend. I appreciate your effort.
Man, this guy's an ass. And he's DUMB.
He's a...dumb-ass!
i think ole rubber face would like
to be probed himself with two fists
a flyin'........lol
I'm amazed he hasn't perverted this into a requirement for more aid to Israel yet.
A recent poll taken in Italy after the European Court in Strasburg ordered all crucifixs to be removed from Italian schools revealed that 84% of Italians want the crucifix to remain in the schools and as a symbol of their Christian culture.
Having lived in Italy for several years, I know for sure that until Italians are stripped of their property by the USA and Great Britain, have their olive trees destroyed, and their ancient recipes stolen and claimed by others, the Crucifix will remain in Italian schools.
The comment section is messed up. If one sends a reply to a comment, that one reply is posted every t5ime one tries to comment about any other comment. Sorry about any duplicates, but that ball is in C&L's court now.
> I'm amazed he hasn't perverted this into a requirement for
> more aid to Israel yet.
That's the next item on his agenda.
> I'm amazed he hasn't perverted this into a requirement for
> more aid to Israel yet.
That's the next item on his agenda.
To agree with our faux Democrat about this. I loathe him, but I think this is a reasonable statement. The system does need to be fixed when someone this obviously a crazed radicalized Muslim is allowed to remain in the US military.
Check out the last two paragraphs of this story
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091108/ap_on_re_...
into the actions of this guy. Enough info has already been uncovered where there is a good reason to investigate.
Was lieber can THE terrorist?
Would someone please shut the mouth of this whiny do-nothing pile of crap? Why is on talking anywhere, let alone on the public airwaves, seemingly 24/7?
Go PROBE yourself.
Let's see, you push, prod and provoke someone because of their religion and then they resort to insane violence. I wonder where else we could be investigating this behavior? Hint: First letters are "I", "A", and "ME."
The damage inflicted on this country by Lieberman bears many resemblances to terrorism.
This is commonplace. the teasing and harassment until somebody snaps and then it's always "Never saw it coming" and crazed knee jerking, overboard reactions.
cash receipts from insurance companies in return for him prosituting his office on their behalf.
THANK YOU!
There are many many home grown terrorists in this country that are not Muslims but so called Christians. What about them? They carry guns around with them all the time. They even go into churches and kill people because they are not as nutty at they are.
when DHS released that report about domestic terrorists? And the Nut Wing went bat-sh*t? And Pat Robertson got his panties in a twist? You see, they want them there Mooslums profiled...but not Good Honest Christians :-(
my favorite republican sellout, what is he? senator from AHIP?
problem is, a broken clock is right twice a day.
if early reports are true, the major had an interest in jihadi websites, this could give a pretty good idea of where his mind was at.
why do people have no problem identifying shooters like von brunn as right wing whackos?
but when they (you remember them) have a murderous muslim, every prevarication is taken.
is wrong 24 hors a day.
the dead have had their clocks stopped, thats for sure.
can't we all just get along?
doesn't much look like it.
IMHO cutting religous lunatics slack won't do much.
but then maybe there are death cults off all different stripes.
> can't we all just get along?
> doesn't much look like it.
Don't lay ALL the blame for this on Muslims. I can truthfully say that I have received at least 100 times the grief from Christians and conservatives than I have ever received from Muslims, Buddhists, etc.
And so begins the Rush Limbaugh/Sean Hannity/Glenn Beck/Bill O'Reilly hatefest meme. Of course, this whole event will be President Obama's fault, and, thus, grounds for immediate impeachment. Lieberman makes one or two valid, if not belated, points which are overshadowed by his Fox-directed blather. The Army and Defense Dept. are already starting investigations, and, according to today's news, there were signals and indications that Hajor Hasan was showing some tendances toward radical action. But, Lieberman is not one to worry about looking like an bandwagon jumper. It gets his name in the news, doesn't it?
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he's the President!
[Rewinding to 2001 to 2008]
It's CAN'T be Bush's fault...he's only the President! He had nothing to do with it!
(end joke)
I swear, Rush and Co. must all be one mutant. It splits itself into many forms then goes on TV and talk radio.
...how long have they known that Hasan was "showing some tendencies toward radical action"? If they suspected this well before the incident took place and had evidence to back it up, then why didn't they do more about it? I don't know anyone who's currently serving in the military, so I don't know what the rules and/or procedures are...but I'd be inclined to think that evidence implying sympathies for the stated enemy would be grounds for disciplinary action of some kind. This information doesn't seem to fit the reports that Hasan was being reassigned to the Middle East, either -- if they suspected him of radical sympathies, that would seem to be the last place that any rational person would want to consider sending him. Actually, if they had evidence that Hasan harbored such sympathies, perhaps what they should have done instead was either give him a dishonorable discharge or court-martial him. It would have been a stain on his record and his character, to be sure...but perhaps that would have been better for him (and for his victims) than being sent to prison as a result of going AWOL, death by suicide, or the fate which surely awaits him now.
The most destructive attack since 9/11? Really? 3000 people killed in the WTC alone. I don't mean to disparage the 13 people killed by this guy but 13 trumps real destruction of the Trade Center, the Pentagon and this was the most destuctive? Nice try bozo but, the first thing they should do is to remove you from that comitte! By the way, what became of his recomendations?
Don't let loathing reduce your literacy and rationality.
I think Lieberman should have a rectal probe done to see if his brain has pollips on it?
He sure loves terrorizing the american people for corporate bribes.
You ever wonder what the FEMA camps were for?
Here's your answer.
I'm all in.
Why don't you support only America joe?
This islamo-fascist ,al-kaeduh, muslim extremist type talk plays well for the Israel faction.
Duel citizens in our Government are traitors to our Constitution and there's plenty.
...we CAN'T investigate if radical Christians who target abortion providers and commiserate on radical forced-birth websites where they plot legal strategies and future attacks are all part of a network, right Joe? Because THAT would be offensive to their FAITH!
is to get people to attack you, in order to be a greater martyr.
holy warriors unite!
if people start trying to make sense out of the world we may lose our sense of superiority!
than the ilk at fox news who simply repeat talking points and put down dems for the sake of putting down dems. I say, if this guy is screaming "Allahu Akbar" as he's gunning down American soldiers, and he's got a past that includes bad mouthing the military and siding with extremism, then damn right, investigate this thing. Even if these things are just rumors, what's the harm in an investigation? Find out what really happened. Find out for a fact if he was working with anyone else. Who knows what all led up to this? Not me, that's for sure, nor do any of you arm chair politicians. Kudos to Lieberman (who I am NOT a supporter of by any stretch of the imagination) for saying things like "we do not have all the information" while on fox. He could have easily said "Oh yeah, this guy was blablabla" but didn't. I can't stand Lieberman. I think he's a snake and a chameleon who sucks up to whoever can keep him in his seat, but that's beside the point on this matter. If there are more radicals that were linked to this guy, helped him get his weapons on base, whatever, then they should be investigated. If he truly did just flip out, then that will come out in the wash. What should be done? Nothing? What if there is one other guy who was his accomplice but up till now hasn't been outed? What if next month he blows up the mess hall with 1,000 soldiers inside? Should we have investigated the incident then? I know lots of you guys waited 8 years to really hammer these people, but sometimes rise above the rhetoric please? It's childish and really puts you on the same level as the common fox comment contributor.
with an investigation. I don't think that Joe should be involved in it.
Personally, I don't think Ol' Joe should be involved in much more than cutting the grass at his house. A full investigation is in order though. People jumping to conclusions on either side should really shut up. I don't profess to knowing the inner workings of the mind of this guy. Then again, I don't go around shooting 40 people at a time either...
Lieberman doesn't give a damn except to the degree he can get media attention. He's a corporate whore and somebody with a real sense of honor and decency should be chairing the committee.
If we weren't fighting Israel's middle east wars there wouldn't have been a group preparing to go fight Israel's war therefore there would have been no shootings.
Karma's a bitch scorned, good luck America.
> If we weren't fighting Israel's middle east wars there wouldn't > have been a group preparing to go fight Israel's war therefore
> there would have been no shootings.
Gotta agree with you there. We would have saved ourselves 60 years of grief -- and possibly trillions of dollars -- if we would have just stayed out of that friggin' mess and minded our own business at the very beginning. But the US has an ever-growing brown ring around its nose from keeping it stuck up Israel's heinie.
this was an American soldier gunning down American soldiers.
Muslims at his mosque have been quoted as being appalled at what he has done. People did see this coming but didn't do anything about it. Happens all the time. Shouldn't we call the woman who killed the 9-year-old girl in the Southwest a terrorist because she was linked to a known anti-immigrant group? Sometimes people do just snap, especially if they are lonely, have no spouse or children, their parents are dead and they question what they are doing for religious or other reasons. People who know Hasan have been quoted as saying he was all of these things. So far, it sounds more like someone going postal than jihad.
On the racist Shawna Forde and her band of, yes, absolutely terrorists, gunning down a 9 year old girl and her father. [deleted--do not advocate violence on this site]
She doesn't have apeel.
after posting that tripe only furthers my assessment that you are subhuman.
'Cargo' may be the only option...
Sun, 11/08/2009 - 10:40 — Anais
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Actually, "(People who) have no spouse or children, their parents are dead and they question what they are doing for religious or other reasons..." could very well describe any of us on this site.
"Experts" used Theodore John Kaczynski slovenliness as part of his profile, making it a clue to what might happened, and then others used Timothy McVeigh's cleanliness in the same manner (Shades of anal-compulsive theorization? And since psychiatrists themselves like such orderly labeling, wouldn't that make them anal-compulsive as well?)
Psychological profiling can be as dangerous as racial.
a terrorist!
I'll be on board when investigations are not dependent on which religion or organization the suspect belongs to. Replace Muslim/Islam with Christian or Jewish or even Zoroasterian and I bet we get a different attitude towards a 'probe'.
Oh, wait. It's terrorism when muslims do it, and crusade when christianists do it. I forgot the Its-Ok-'Cuz-I-Love-God factor.
A very nasty, brutal God. In a really scary way.
Tell that to a Christianist. Allah is the perversion of 'God' by dirty Arabs led by the False Prophet Mohammad. It's all part of Satan's grand plan don'chaknow.
including ALL US military fratricide? I'm thinking of the Russell shootings in Afghanistan but there are literally hundreds of others. Most of them committed by white 'Christians'. Lieberman and his ilk are only making this case seem so much worse because the shooter happened to be Muslim.
And absolutely I believe there should be an investigation and I'm also absolutely certain that DOD would have done so without the attention whore Lieberman sticking his nose into something that's NOT his business. He's NOT the chairman of the Senate Armed Forces Committee!
The scum sucker Joe needs to go! Strip his chairmanship of the Senate "Homeland Security" Committee ASAP!!!
I think the phrase he snuck in, "often over the internet," is going to be used as an excuse for increased surveillance on internet users. It will start with visitors to Islamic web sites, and will gradually expand to include other "terrorists" such as Greenpeace, PETA, etc. Except of course for right-wing militia sites, those guys are just good ol' 'Merican boys, after all.
Or maybe I'm just stating the obvious...
The last paragrafh sounds like fox nation.
McVeigh had a bible.
I want a probe why this man still has a job.
And indubitably there will be an investigation.
And you don't have a probe if you already have a conclusion, as he presumes to do in his statement.
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Ok, Lieberman, lets.
But as a country shouldn't we really consider what needs investigating first and get those questions which the American people wanted answers for, before Joe's little pet investigation?
How about for starters Katrina. There was no investigation into FEMA and the White House after they killed a major American city. Wasn't this clear negligence on Bush/Cheney and joe's part really because New Orleans was very black, and very democratic? Wasn't the cover-up thanks to Joe? What was Lieberman's involvement in covering up Katrina, anyway? Inquiring minds want to know, joe.
Or, how about 9/11? There was no real investigation of 9/11, just a Warren Investigation style cover-up. So we have to do that before we get to your little pet problem, little joe. Oh, Joe, who was President and let this happen on 9/11 anyway, do you remember? You were pretty interested in Clinton's blow-jobs, you said that was like the worse crime ever.
Before all that happened, one more investigation please: How about the 2000 Presidential Election and the Supreme Court throwing election for Joe's feeble minded friend Bush, and the 'fifth branch of government' Cheney.
Cheney could use some 'vestigating, too, Joe!- Let's start with what Cheney did on 9-11 and where was Bush. Then, when Cheney shot his friend in the face and the guy apologized to Cheney.
Then, where did all the money go for Iraq. And the WMD lies really need to be investigated. Oh, and lets investigate why Cheney/Bush took the US eye off of Afghanistan.
In other words, lets investigate what Lieberman couldn't be bothered to find out about as US senator and helped cover up, before we get to what Mr. Grandstanding wants. Then we can get to cranky little Joe and his religious intolerance and why he hasn't wanted anything investigated in the last eight years. First thing, first don't you know?
Valid points.
apologized to Cheney.
Reminds me of the scene where Darth Vader is begged for forgiveness. He chokes the guy to death with the force, and then says, 'Forgiven!'
I wonder what Joe thinks about the three American "tourists", Shane, SARAH and JOSH recently charged with espionage by Iran after crossing the border at Kurdistan? You know, I'm really surprised Monica Lewinsky didn't go on vacation with them.
And now I know what ordinary Iraqis in the street meant when they were interviewed before the invasion stating that they didn't want even one Israeli to enter their country. Yep, they didn't show you those interviews in the USA but we sure saw them in Europe.
Joe isn't stupid; he is quite adept at playing both sides as long as it serves 1. Joe Lieberman and 2. Israel. Remember, he has more than hinted that he wants a permanent presence of American troops in the Middle East. The fact that the Democrats let him keep his chairmanship is incredible, alone; that he was elected from an intelligent state like CT is astounding. And that whining voice...
Joe may represent a number of concerns but unfortunately he does not represent the people's concerns. The only way is to vote him out.
how about an anal probe for Glenn Beck. God knows there's some weird shit going on in there.
Dick Cheney?
and he's had men come in with all sorts of things up their rectums. Once, he had a guy come in with a can of Easy-Off oven cleaner up his butt. So, Cheney? Yea, it's possible. All I know is about every three weeks, Beck has to take off a night to have something done about problems in his nether region. It's just weird.
asking for a Congressional investigation. Of the EXCEEDINGLY HIGH SUICIDE RATE at Ft. Hood. Suggesting it may be caused by a culture of harassment and abuse that is allowed or even encouraged by the command structure there.
about the military suicide rate outpacing the civilian rate (on MTP?)
Can someone explain why this lying sack of Shiite still has a chairmanship of anything?
The Democrats in the Senate have let little joe hold on to his power and bash them and trash them. Dems don't fight back, they only like to do things like apologize for Move On ads and piss their pants when the GOP mention the word "ACORN.
his antics represent what the Democratic leadership is really all about? A bunch of lip service about democracy while they go about their real work of facilitating the corporate/elite ownership and operation of government? This pathologically self-serving, sociopathic opportunist still has a chairmanship because nothing he is doing seems odd to the rest of his cronies.
The Senate is a bad joke.
I wish he'd be more of a stomping across the aisle with metal boots and cleats sort of guy.
> Can someone explain why this lying sack of Shiite still has a
> chairmanship of anything?
Could the reason possibly be because we have a chickensh*t coward for a "majority leader" in the Senate?
Shouldn't it be most destructive since the Anthrax attacks??? Oh yea... forgot about those.
I knew I forgot something else important that little joe can 'vestigate!
How about the Obama administration??
is an attack on one of your fellow soldiers in the field of battle who was considered a super patriot, Pat Tillman.
Why wasn't Bush impeached for lying about the Niger "yellowcake?"
Why wasn't Cheney indicted for outing Valorie Plame?
Why wasn't Bush impeached for lying about WMD's?
Why wasn't Cheney indicted for shooting his hunting partner in the face... while DRUNK?
Why wasn't Turdblossem indicted for politicizing the Justice department?
Why wasn't the Republican Party investigated for SCAMMING the Ohio vote in 2004?
Why weren't Cheney and Rumsfeld indicted for authorizing TORTURE in Army prisons?
Joe, WHERE WERE YOU when all that was going on?
He was busy doing everything he could to engratiate himself with what he thought was the merging permanent power structure, in true Quisling form.
Joe was busy planting big wet, sloppy kisses on George W's thin lips.
the tongue, too.
^
Joe has become that much of a TURD.
Joe needs to be probing his own state for White Supremacist Terrorists.
Ever notice the expressions Lieberquisling affects when he's trying project oh-so-much gravitas? He scruntches his brow just so, wrinkles his forehead just that much, makes with weighty hand motions, all so that we'll know he is wise and thoughtful and always so moral and well considered. He really believes his own schtick. there are few people in public life who are as accomplished at justifying themselves with self-deceiving, self-serving rationalizations.
What a dick.
do the dems continue to kwotow to this gunga din? Oh yea they are a disorganized collection of spineless cowards.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/08/us/08invest...
If Hasan's last name were Christianson or Rosenthal, Lieberman would say he was simply watering the tree of liberty.
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Holy Joe "Greatest terrorist attack on American soil since 911"
Get that? Holy Joe is out of the box with the next GOP talking point. We've now been attacked since 911 now that Bush is out of office and Obama's in office. Holy Joe sees these American soldiers being killed by a soldier whose last name is Hasan as a God send. He can use it for crass political opportunism to be used against Obama (the guy who saved his committee chair) since we've "now been attacked since Bush left office and now that the soft of defense Democrat Obama's in office", for Muslim bashing, and making it politically impossible to loose his chair because he would play it as being removed while he is "investigating the greatest terrorist attack since 911" purely for political motives by the Democratic leadership.
Well played Holy Joe. Well played.
lieberman is an idiot, but I don't understand what's wrong with his statement?
depending on his motivations, this could have been terrorism.
Terrorism is a political tactic used by a group in order to undermine the (usual) superior conventional strength of an enemy in order to (theoretically) gain some long term advantage. Said group then takes credit for the act in order to instill fear and uncertainty.
A) No one has come forward to claim the military psychiatrist as an agent working at their behest, and...
B) By all accounts this was a very disturbed man with serious mental issues who went completely off his rocker.
Sadly this kind of violence happens fairly frequently in our rather unbalanced, gun-happy society. In fact there was a similar act the *very* next day near Orlando. Disturbed guy gets gun, starts shooting people semi-randomly in a place of work where he was extremely unhappy.
The only difference is that Nidal M. Hasan worked on a military base and he was a Muslim. But like the Orlando gunman, he was almost certainly a lone wolf.
Lieberman is simply trying to exploit this tragedy in service of his own agenda.
Thank you for the well-reasoned and rational post.
"Terrorism is a political tactic used by a group in order to undermine the (usual) superior conventional strength of an enemy in order to (theoretically) gain some long term advantage."
there is no information so far that this wasn't the case here.
there are some indications that it was the case here.
if he's formaly part of a group or just associates himself with a group and a cause doesn't make a difference.
A pissed off soldier and he went off, what about the TERRORIST attack in Florida, oops that was a WHITE CHRISTIAN sorry.
The FEAR Mongering never stops whit these bags of SH*T. Bet if we really investigate and find out the gun he bought was purchased legally and probably from some Goofy Opposition Party or Racist Nazi Party Supporter, but we'll HIDE that fact at his right to own a GUN.
Why aren't they talking about the FLORIDA Terrorists, common he killed how many innocent, oops bo photo ops there, no Flag Waving there and NO Lapel pins either.
The WHITE CHRISIAN Terrorist killed how many why aren't they putting it in the same category. OOPS he is WHITE he has MENTAL problems beside who wants to HATE WHITE CHRISTIANS they all look alike.
This Phony BullSh*t of Terrorism is yet another COWARDLY strike at innocence to protect the EVIL Hate Base Right Wing Nazi, GOP and RNC.
Low life Racist Nazi CHRISTIAN WHITE TRAILER TRASH INBRED NAZIS. Always Always looking for a way to HATE.
Lieberman wants to push for the same warmongering crap we've had for years, and if this horse isn't dead yet, he'll get it there. He doesn't really have much else left.
I apologize to my fellow citizens for the other morons in my state who actually cast their votes for this clown. He makes me want to be embarrassed to be both from Connecticut and to be of Jewish ancestry.
From a subject that every American cares about (and one of the most important debates of the century) to a subject nearly everyone cares about for a day.
Why bother holding hearings? Sounds like he's reached a conclusion already.
is the REAL HOME GROWN Terrorist. I just wonder why we keep electing these lying motherfuckers to public office??????
A post Homeland Security Chairmanship lobbying/consulting position (ala Giuliani) is greater than wife's health care money grab via favor currying.
Punt his ass from the Chairmanship and he just cost himself big bucks.
This fucken Lieberman needs to be put in his place.
If Hasan was "self-radicalized" doesn't the unbelieveable mistreatment muslims have recieved at the hands of the US Government play at least some part?
A member of the armed forces swears to defend the Constitution, and how in hell does someone deal with the incredible extra-legality of the US Government vis-a-vis it's obligations towards people in it's custody and the revelations of how some detainees (all Muslim) have been allowed to freeze to death or been beaten to death in US custody?
And not only that, the guy is a shrink who has to listen to the stories of GI's who are going nuts as a result of horrific memories of combat, including guilt because they harmed innocent people, or because all their squad members "got blew up" but they survived...
It's not surprising the guy went nuts. I want someone to tell me who the terrorists are. Fuck Joe Lieberman! (DOUCHE!)
...but at this point, I quite frankly couldn't care less.
Do I think that what Hasan did was on any way justifiable? No, I don't -- not by any means. Nobody forced him to do what he did -- the decision was his alone, and he will no doubt pay the consequences for it. That being said, why is it so utterly impossible for people to recognize how a man who was serving his country might have become radicalized in part because his supposed comrades in arms -- perhaps the very same people upon whom his life potentially might have depended if he were ever to be stationed in or near a combat zone -- were reportedly subjecting him to slurs and harassment based on his religion? When you insist on regarding and treating someone as if he's the enemy, there's a good chance that he will at some point become angry enough to oblige you by becoming your enemy even if that was not his original intention.
What I find savagely ironic and tragic about this in addition to the loss of life is the inevitable fact that Hasan's final response to this alleged harassment will unfortunately make it even more likely that other American Muslims serving in the military will potentially be regarded with suspicion and similarly subjected to harassment simply on the basis of their faith. It would also appear that Hasan ended up fulfilling the very assumptions which he resented his comrades-in-arms for making about him. It cannot be disputed that Hasan's actions are in their effects those of a radicalized terrorist even if that was not his intention or motivation as such, but I for one am still inclined to wonder whether this would still have happened had some of the people around him chosen not to treat him as already guilty by association simply on the basis of his faith.
after the VA Tech mass murder (and people in Korea were appalled and apologetic that a Korean person had done such a terrible thing)
We have a nutzoid country with entirely too many guns and this shit is going to continue. Saying things like "No one made Hasan do what he did" is ignoring the fact that our country seems to breed looneys that shoot the place up pretty regularly, when the person doing the shooting gets to that state THEY THINK they're being forced into the crime, the conditions we have here are driving the event. The "going Postal" meme got it's start because a disgruntled employee of the USFS got it in his head that he had been mortally mistreated, and he was gonna pay some MF'er back, and he didn't have any grievance even remotely like those in the Muslim community have against the US, considering the incredible stories of torture, mistreatment and murder of Muslims in US custody.
I've read that shrinks have a lot of trouble dealing with their work, that a lot of them go around the bend and kill themselves, tho I haven't heard of mass murder associated with these tragedies.
The reason they needed to keep an eye on the guy wasn't that he was a Muslim, it was because he was involved in particularly stressful work that injures those who do it, and they need to keep an eye on anyone doing the work he did.
Sorry, Joey, but white supremacist sites and neonazi sites have been responsible for a lot more terrorist incidents than this one particular event. You really need to get out into the real world once in a while.
It has been at least a week since the last time I stated that I loath and despise Joe Lieberman......and so I say once again.....I loath and despise Joe Lieberman.
Thank You Mr. John Amato for the opportunity.
Lieberman as evil as his fictional alter ego Senator Palpatine? You decide.
You are upsidedown and backward, man. Go AWAY.
Joe didn't call for Hasan's relative's homes to be demolished in the WB.
Why am I not surprised that he would reach in a staggeringly far-fetched fashion to make this statement?
That is already part of the investigation. He did not have to say anything for this to occur and IMO his opinion was only asked for bc he is Jewish. As though he would somehow have more thoughtful insight because of this fact.
Joe, This was not a muslim v jew thing. Get over yourself and your self-imposed oppression.
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