September 07, 2009 06:00 AM
Katrina Vanden Heuvel, George Will agree on Afghanistan, Iraq withdrawal
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Two political pundits on opposite sides of the aisle found themselves agreeing Sunday on ABC's "This Week." Both George Will and Katrina Vanden Heuvel favor a withdrawal from Afghanistan. In his Washington Post column, George Will said it was time to get out of Afghanistan. In another column, Will said that that US work in Iraq is done.
Vanden Heuvel agreed. "I think there's a coalition, George. We can go on the road. A coalition for realistic foreign policy. But for these neocons attack you, these people should not be in our political life. They have no credibility. They should be held accountable for the Iraq debacle."
Will and the rest of the MSM blew it when they had a chance to do the right thing! From 2000 to just here recently they all echoed the neo nutcase war cry. I say to hell with these people I don't care what they have to say!No more will I listen to their lies or watch their shows. Not since 2003.
republicanism is a mental illness!
but now that a (D) is in the WH, we get questions. I really can't fathom why since the same megalomaniacs are getting paid.
Some stuff you can't make up!
George Will lie; George Will mislead; George Will misquote; George Will...?
I know that just because George Will says something doesn't automatically mean it's a bad idea. But still...
Corruption favors the wealthy.
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut occasionally.
That is as nice a thing as I can say about George Will.
May he walk to the edge of his flat earth and fall off.
Katrina Vanden Hueval I like, here is one
Another is here
But in my own words:
END THE 'WARS' NOW.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
I totally agree. Thanks for the great links.
'Even a blind squirrel finds a nut occasionally.' LOL!
What's a thousand more lives to Gates? He's a Bush political appointee. He'd rather see Afghanistan become Obama's Vietnam. These people want Obama to fail. Not that Obama has done anything to help himself like growing a spine.
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George Will and Katrina Vanden Heuvel are not my moral conscience. Where was George Will four to eight years ago? He was kissing Bush’s ass and sucking Cheney’s feet. George Will supported Bush and Cheney’s imperial wars and all of a sudden I need to listen to him when I have been against these wars all along? Not!
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Really needed to know about Tila. Any word on Jenna Jameson Tito Ortiz?
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I wanted to do that to her, too. Perhaps she will have a spiritual epiphany, and live out the rest of her life in a convent.
I wonder if Will's opinion would be different if this was the 8th month of Bush's third term.
George Won't mention that he cheerlead the Iraq war for seven years when it was Bush's war.
George Won't mention that he championed nation building, when it was Bush trying to build a nation.
George Won't ever say these three words: I was wrong.
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...but thanks for beating me to it.
In other news, the Republican Party is continuing to participate in the dumbing down of America by railing against our President encouraging kids to stay in school.
Geez, I realize they are going over to home-schooling more and more, rendering their kids more brainwashed and less ready to compete in this capitalist society -- which begs the question why are they railing against socialism when their kids are being set up to fail under nearly any other system of government?
Oh, that's right, anarchy isn't a form of government...
Very good point Karen503.
If I were a psychopath, I would join the republican party, and get in on the gravy train taking the Teabircher morons to the cleaners.
Another over-rated conservative "voice". Democrats are in POWER, forget what the other side says. The more blogs and corporate media focus on THEM, the less attention our side gets, the GOOD guys. If we end the war it should be because WE want to, not some a-hole conservative.
Is it the 21st century yet?
'But for these neocons attack you, these people should not be in our political life. They have no credibility. They should be held accountable for the Iraq debacle."'
Decipher please?
I like to think she meant Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Ashcroft, Cheney, Bush, Yoo, etc., should all be charged with many, many federal crimes, and war crimes. The hell with health care reform. Let's prosecute these people, and deal with health care after some truth has been revealed to the idiots in this country who are still not ashamed to be backing the GOP and the neocons. That works for me.
Will and Katrina may agree, but they do so for different reasons. Will wants out of Afghanistan for political reasons, to cause more controversy over Obama. Katrina wants out because it's the right thing to do.
I love Katrina and she was strong as ever, but Maxine Waters totally won the day with her very strong stand on the public option.
The Neocons should not be given the time of day. In fact, they should be literally thrown out.
With that said, I think Vanden Heuvel is correct. I also think that the Obama Administration knows that Afghanistan can not be "won" either. A few extra thousand troops here and there will not make much of a difference and bribes or other means of persuation only last for so long.
I think the goal right now is simply to hold, and wait for the political and strategic climate to solidify where a behind the scenes agreement can be reached with the Taliban.
How many years did it take Will to come around? Oh well, it wasn't he or one of his family members who lost a leg or a life.
Partisan.
But at least you know where he is coming from.
Only when the last tree has died
and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught
will we realize we cannot eat money.
Get a clue, Katrina. George is no more anti war than The big Dick himself. But now that the Dems are at the helm, suddenly we should pull out. In six months the rightards like Will are going to be villifying Obama for getting us entrenched in another "unwinnable" war.
"Someday somebody related to some of these sufferers, these victims, these collaterally damaged souls, may try to kill you. And I have to tell you, I think you’ll have it coming." - Christopher Cooper
I would never trust anything Will said. He changed his mind because George Bush is no longer the president. He approves of republican wars but just wait, he will blame Iraq and Afghanistan on Obama and the dems. He is just another republican hypocrite.
for different reasons.
Some stuff you can't make up!
Will he also admit that the initial decision to go in was wrong? I expect not. Like Vietnam, it'll all be about how their brilliant ideas were "handled poorly".
"[Neocons] should not be in our political life. They have no credibility. They should be held accountable for the Iraq debacle."
Wills' assertions regarding Iraq and Afghanistan are only 5 years 5 months too late. (sorry, will! you get no credit for your world history assignment turned in late.)
now that we are entrenched in those two god-forsaken countries, the U.S.A. will be entangled in Iraq's and Afghanistan's "nation-building" process for decades. Especially since they're so obviously strategic from natural resource and militaristic points-of-view.
A rare moment when I happen to agree with this turd. But since when does anyone care what this f*cktard has to say about anything? He's been about as right as cheney and vannity on anything since these insane wars began to drag this country into infinite debt.
YES, we need out of Afghanistan. The Soviet Union learned the hard way. I love how ronnie Alzheimer was given credit by the right wing nut cakes for bringing down the Soviet Union...when anyone who can draw a line between dots realizes that that pathetic drain in Afghanistan was enough to bankrupt them after ten years.
We are slow learners as well..but then remember...we MAKE the bombs. It may be ALL we make...bombs, bullets and jet fighters. We'll follow their lead as well. We may not break up into separate states, or we may, but we certainly will go bankrupt for nada.
He’s worried about how this COULD END, where in the H3LL was he since 2000. Spending his time beating the drum of war, and now 8 years later he is finally worried about an end? He should be quartered for being STUPID, and he calls the Afghanistan people illiterate? Just what other then the surge was only in Bagdad, has he been right on. I hope he looks in the mirror sometime soon, and he will see the vision of ILLITERATE.
What's going on with George Will? His tacit support for the Bush Cheney regime was unwavering. The wars were patriotic and moral imperatives. Now this. Perhaps George sees an opening to become the new Cronkite. When Walter declared Vietnam to be a hopeless stalemate, public support shifted.George may be returning to the fortress America roots of many conservatives. It's the belief that America should avoid becoming entangled in foreign adventures. Either that or George is getting too distracted from reading the baseball box scores every morning by all this war stuff that he's had to pontificate about for the last eight years.
What's gotten in to these blood thirsty Neocons or screaming Right Wing-Nut lunatics lately? They are all losers.
Oh Goody! The neo-con said we can go home.
If only Barack wasn't so keen on staying.
I know, it's so infuriating!
The MSM takes the idea seriously now that a prominent conservative says it. A million-trillion liberals could vote, protest and speak out, but that doesn't mean as much as one conservative voicing his opinion.
Hopefully humanity will one day learn to be humane.
The Foreign Policy Initiative (FPI) is an organization founded by Robert Kagan, Dan Senor, and William the "bloody" Kristol. I get emails from them just to see what they are up to.
In the email this morning, the headline was a letter to President Obama urging him to "Properly resource (the) war in Afghanistan".
Among those signing the letter are, of course, Robert Kagan, Dan Senor, and William "the bloody." Other signatories among the close to 40 include David Frum, Margaret Hoover (regular on O'Reilly's show), Karl Rove, Randy Scheunemann (neocon, former PNAC member, and McCain's foreign policy advisor during last year's campaign), AND, get this....Sarah Palin.
Neocon war mongers....and Palin is one of them.
Not until this diabolically engineered segment of the political spectrum Publicly and sincerely repents and categorically apologizes for the pain, the lies, the unreasoned cheerleading, the constant denial, the monstrous amount of damage they created and perpetuated on America, the American people and the peace loving people of the entire planet, will I begin to consider even the slightest relinquishment of the anger, sadness and utter disappointment I hold them absolutely and solely responsible for. Frankly, I can not visualize ever forgiving them, for what they have done and continue to do to what was an often difficult but completely manageable and for the most part, predictable pattern of life. In the past three decades the republican party, hand in hand with enthusiastic and unapologetic collusion from their personal Main Stream Media, wreaked havoc and misery on a gullible, trusting and relatively innocent American public. They have been mean, vicious, totally self-serving, greedy and corruptly gluttonous. They have, perhaps permanently, inflicted incalculable injury on what was once a united, prosperous, herculean nation with no equal. They are responsible for reducing this country to a pauper nation, financially leashed by an emboldened China, India and the Federal Reserve. Each obscenely enriched by lost American jobs and an unregulated and out of control U.S. government. A government they left in disgusting shambles and have consistently refused to accept responsibility for. In fact, they are falling over themselves in a thoroughly disgusting effort to blame President Obama and the Democratic party for their carnage. To call it sickening is inadequate.
It would be a monumental stretch to now accept one of the worst offenders as having an acceptable argument and not suspect there is almost certainly an underlying unacceptable motive. We have been making the argument against these disastrous, fake, youth robbing and un-American wars since BEFORE they were forced on us and the millions, if not billions of people the world over that vigorously and tirelessly protested against them, only to fall on callously deaf republican ears.
Sorry George, it's just too soon. And you guys have not played the game fairly.
george will hasn't undergone any sort of epiphany and conversion, oh no. what will's trying to do is slyly convert bush's war to obama's war by slight of hand. he thinks that while we're focused on him being against the neocons being for the war he'll be able to do an old switcheroo and identify obama with the neocons thus making the war obama's rather than bush's.
no matter how you slice it, it's still baloney. just like george will.
George Will vs. the Neocons...
George Will IS a Neocon. At least he was all the time he was cheerleading for GW Bush.
Only when the last tree has died
and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught
will we realize we cannot eat money.
that the apocalyse is nigh.
1. George Will, in the unlikely event that Obama pulls our troops out of Afghanistan anytime soon, wants the record to show that "Democratic President Barack Obama lost the war against the Taliban in Afghanistan".
2. George Will, knowing full well that Obama isn't going to pull our troops out of Afghanistan anytime soon, wants Republican President Bush's failed war in Afghanistan to now and forever forward be considered "Democratic President Barack Obama's Folly" and that "Democratic President Barack Obama didn't listen to wise Conservative Republican voices to get out of Afghanistan as early as 2009".
George Will has taken his current position only because it is a Republican political pundit win for him no matter which way Obama turns. It is a complete waste of time searching for noble motives behind anything these sewer rats say on national television.
The pathetic thing is progressives have been calling for the end of the OCCUPATION for years , but golly when it goes bad and a Conservative calls for a withdrawal , wow , then its newsworthy .
The biggest lie he did tell is , " if you send more troops there , it will look like an occupation " THAT'S PENTAGON MISINFORMATION BCS ONCE YOU pour the concrete , build the airstrips for the several MEGA BASES , build concrete housing , build the Starbucks , build the Pizza Huts on bases , build the px's , It's AN OCCUPATION , there is no " will be " .
Al qaeda is gone and the Taliban have no interest outside Afghanistan , but since its about the CASPIAN OIL PIPELINE , Projecting U.S. power and controlling the region , against Iran and Russia , ain't nobody going to be going anywhere .
The occuaption will continue under globalist Obama .
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