Hannity suggests Christianity compatible with torture
By David Wednesday Mar 11, 2009 2:00pm
Fox News' Sean Hannity doesn't let his religion get in the way for his support of a controversial anti-terror tactic.
Hannity invited Meghan McCain on his show to talk about a court filing by 9/11 defendants detained at Guantanamo Bay. The group of detainees had admitted that they were "terrorists to the bone."
"They declared war on us and we're fighting a war and we know there is about 60-some odd detainees that have gone back to the battlefield. Why for the first time ever would we give rights to enemy combatants?" asked Hannity.
Meghan McCain seemed to agree. "What competent person thinks this is a good idea? Literally when I think of my brother and his people and his platoon, the people I know over there fighting for this so we can let them go so they can attack us again? It's insane," she said.
Hannity then moved to the subject of torture. "Do you disagree with your dad at all about enhanced interrogations?" asked Hannity. John McCain has been vocal about his opposition to torture.
"My attitude is that if we capture an enemy combatant in the battlefield -- or we can use Osama bin Laden -- who may have information about a pending attack. You know what, I don't have any problem taking his head sticking it underwater and scaring the living daylights out of him and making him think we're drowning him and I'm a Christian," declared Hannity.
McCain disagreed. "I think it's what separates us from the terrorists . My father could never lift me up as a child because he can't move his arm. He can't ride a bike because he can't bend his knee because he was tortured. I think he knows better," she said.
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But I know Hannity is no Christian.
He's an entertainer.
He has his fans.
...you're probably an agnostic.
...and I agree that the man is no Christian.
and I don't know if you could cal hannity a human he acts more like a reptile
Hannity is a cock. And not the feathery kind.
Though he does cluck a lot.
He's a clucker.
...at least I think so - I don't recall all the details.
Jesus was the guy who pounded nails into some hippie's hands, right? I mean, it's not like Sean Hannity is going to do anything wussy like follow a torture victim.
If Jesus was about anything it was about being down with torture.
'Cause, if you believe the tale, his final moments were pure bliss.
No, Hannity only thinks he's a Christian.
rabid and rapture-ready as limpballs!
the spanish inquisition!
:<[)
Sir Thomas More gives even the devil(or enemy combatants) his right to stand before the bar using this logic;
William Roper: So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!
Sir Thomas More: Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?
William Roper: Yes, I'd cut down every law in England to do that!
Sir Thomas More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake!
Hannity and McCain's daughter are fools.
Nobody expects the Spanish inquisition!
this hair-helmet nimrod doesnt get it, he doesnt get that torture provides worthless intelligence, he doesnt get that if we do it to them, then we cant complain if one of us is captured and they do it or worse to us. I just spent 15 months over there, 11 in a district of Baghdad near Abu Grahib, Hammety is a mewling coward who is governed only by his fear, passions and greed.
He'd piss his pants and cry uncle before you even got his head under the water.
..he only plays one on T.V.
The part of him sounding like a complete moron is real though
First day of kindergarten...
"Hi, I'm Seanie Hannity. I'm a sanctimonious, evil MFer."
would just SHUT UP and go away.
People have things to do! This country has a task list a mile long.
Like crucification on the cross, right? LOL!
waterboarding
electrodes
incessant beating until limbs burst.
.....
If this doesn't make it onto The Daily Show and Colbert it will be a miracle.
is right.
Her dad is as pro-torture as the next republican thug.
... unless it becomes politically inexpedient— one has to admire a man who has the courage of his convictions ;-(
now stop it!
Fox is jumping the shark with the fuckwits they put on the air. They're sociopaths.
That was the exact phrase I was thinking when I read this. That said, how many times has the manatee jumped the shark?
And he is as much a Christian as I am a three-dollar bill.
Best I can tell, they reject GW Bush.
Best I can tell, they hold their breath about Obama.
Jesus was not a Wall Street player. A U.S. politician. A complainer.
He aimed for the truth.
Which is sometimes repugnant for both Right and Left.
Jesus wasn't even an American... gasp!
In fact, he was a middle easterner.
a VIOLENT ANTI-FAMILY REVOLUTIONARY!
"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household."
No white skin, or blue eyes
on what you call "white".
And who knows what color his eyes were. Hell we don't know for sure he actually existed.
jesus, as a man wrongfully tortured and executed, was as "anti-torture" as they come. remember when you cried watching "passion of the christ"?
jesus was also anti-death penalty. remember the woman he saved from being stoned by that angry mob? of course you do.
hannity, please be advised that bearing false witness against your messiah is a crime punishable by ETERNAL DAMNATION OF YOUR EVERLASTIN' SOUL.
thank you. g'day.
He better pray there is no God, cause if there is one he's going straight to hell.
That famous line from the Bible was added later. It was not in the original text.
Jesus was constantly preaching about beating people. Beat your sons and daughters. Beat people that disobeyed the Commandments. Stone people to death for transgressing. He knew he was going to die on the cross and went with open arms. The guy was a sadomasochist.
well, it doesn't mean you are one. It's the cliche about actions and words. If you're going to talk the talk and all that. By merely calling himself a Christian in the same breath as condoning torture, he shows what he really is: a hypocrite who doesn't deserve the air he breathes.
And another thing. Since when is Meghan McCain an expert on anything? Is she the new face of the Republican Party now?
The US Defense Department on Wednesday denied accusations from rights activists it was undermining President Barack Obama's order to halt trials against detainees held in Guantanamo.
is one of the reasons I can't stomach right wing holy rollers.
How can a person go to church and pray to God, wish someone peace and happiness, and then after the "holy" hour is over, condone torturing a human being? I always say if Christ came back tomorrow, they'd probably mistake him for an Islamic radical and lock him up, because he "looks and speaks funny".
Hannity would probably throw away the key, too.
I went to Catholic school as a child, and it was traditional to go to mass on the first Friday of each month. There would be the usual readings, a brief sermon ...
... and then it was back into the schoolyard, where my Christian classmates would call me 'Ching Chong Chinaman,' mimick slanted eyes, speak in gibberish 'Chinese,' and make fun of my last name.
I was a fellow "inmate". I understand. I don't look back at that experience with any fondness at all. Rich white kids vs. everybody else. As an italian I always got shit from the kids for being a "wop", "mafioso", "greaseball" and my hard-to-pronounce name made fun of constantly. Ah, the good old days...yeesh.
Fux is really attracting a lot of experts these days: McCain, blonde-haired-chick-with-pink-hair-droid (seen below), Chuck Norris. Wonder who's next?
Missing: Secretaries of State, Senators, Congressmen, Authors, Journalists, etc.
...has a tiny brain.
Sean's "god" is a genocidal maniac. What's a little torture to the universe's number one mass murderer?
For once I agree with Hanity. Apparently the christian church is down with torture as evidenced by their past actions. Until recently various christian denominations repeatedly tortured, starved, and suppressed jews and each other without remorse.
Lots of Christians are STILL "down with" it.
One has only to look at the complicity of priests and nuns in the Rwanda genocide, or the recent blow up about the pregnant 9 yr old in Brazil to see that.
If they could get away with it they'd still be burning the rest of us at the stake to "save our souls".
Good on ya, Meagan! Good ON YOU!!
Manatee didn't jump on Ms. McCain over her Coulter comments.
will come and kick manatee's ass.
Not so fast all you nay sayers.
Listening to Hannity is akin to torture, so he must know what he's talking about, this time.
... then it would illegal for Faux News to torture the truth, public discourse and anyone unfortunate to accidentally click into one of their broadcasts.
Braindead, Fattity-Ass and a chip off the old block, ignornant McCain. Waht a joke! Faux Noise and Reslugs are showing their true desperation.
ok little girl
lets say your bros get captured
want them treated like we are treating those in gitmo?e
its why your father has been torn on gitmo, and why so many got angry with him when he said he wouldnt close it
but good for you for smacking down hannity on the question of torture
They got these guys at Guantanamo to admit they planned to attack buildings that didn't even exist when they were captured. I am sure I would admit that I had single handedly carried off 911 if they were torturing me, and it wouldn't even take seven years. And waterboarding induces a death-like state, cardiac arrest if I remember correctly, so it isn't just scaring someone. And if they can do this to Arab "terrorists", what's to stop them from using these same tactics on domestic "terrorists", or people who don't agree with the government.
The fact that Obama hasn't done more to roll back "Harsh Interrogation techniques" also concerns me. This isn't America, and isn't what we are fighting to defend, I hope.
Great American Panel...it's catchy. Now they just need an American to host it.
... to mark so great a departure from Christ's teachings. As others have pointed out, Christ was tortured before he was crucified, and the whole affair was about the political power of the Pharisees and Scribes, rather than any serious consideration of Christ's divinity.
So did Torquemada. . . .
Fox News: Bringing the 15th Century to Today
His devotion to the Christian Right Republican Party and the well connected and well financed Christian extremists within its ranks see themselves as "Soldiers For Jesus" who are under attack by anyone and everyone who does not see the world as they do.
Christians continue to make themselves in this tragic image every time one of their own blows ups a Federal building, guns down a doctor who performs health care for women including abortion, guns down students in a southern college or church or hides and supports pedophiles in the name of Christ and the church without EVER speaking out against this hate and violence. Instead they support hate mongers like Rush, Dobson, Hannity, O'Reilly, Coulter, Malkin and so many others who each get paid MILLIONS of DOLLARS to spread Christianity because of their unending support.
Christian is as Christian does.
The problem is that information obtained in this way is unreliable and everyone in the interrogation field knows that. So anyone who uses torture is doing it for some other reason than to obtain vital information.
They get off on it, your government sadists at work....
Witch hunts
Catholic and Protestant Inquisitions
The Conquistadors forcing conversion in the Americas and elsewhere.
Those things were not perversions of Christian doctrine, but expressions of it.
Oh yes, Christianity is VERY compatible with torture.
Wake up people.
The only reason it has left such notions behind is because of cultural influences due to the Enlightenment Era and Humanism.
If Christianity was left to its own devices it would gladly torture.
I'm actually just fine with Hannity on this one. It's too bad he's a bit late to the game, because people have seen how much of an asshole torturer God has always been portrayed as for many centuries.
Torture might be incompatible with the teachings of a certain, iron-age carpenter/mystic/shroom-gobbler, but it fits with Christianity like a good suit of clothes...
Look at all the people these christians have liberated in the ME.They mmaybe dead but they liberated.
War is peace,freedom is slavery,ignorance is strenght etc.
Sit, stand kneel sit stand kneel, babble babble babble. Amen. Sheer hell.
the RITUAL CANNIBALISM!
I agree soulless.
These points were brought up in the documentary "The God Who Wasn't There," which I just saw a few days ago. I was going to quote the "not perversions but expressions" quote until I saw you beat me to it :)
Doncha love how "closing Gitmo" becomes "letting terrorists go free"? It's like people are standing on street corners waving those big Clearance Sale signs
"Going Out of Business Sale! Free Terrorists!"
Perhaps we should say "relocating detainees" or something.
It's funny that torture is cool with Jesus, but socialism is no good. From what i remember in the bible Jesus was a huge capitalist. Didn't he leave a bill after that water into wine thing?
http://which-ways-up.com/2009/02/dick-morris-...
Jesus was a Communist AND a big proponent of beating people to death.
I am neither a Republican nor a Christian, but I must say that even I can see that conservatives have bludgeoned to death whatever was good for many people in both arenas of life. And whatever that goodness was for some, it's going to stay dead for generations.
Why haven't moderate Christians and Republicans spoken out strongly against the prevailing direction of conservative religion?
... but it must be in the wrong place or to the wrong people.
Of course, when you disagree with an evangelical, you get called all sorts of nasty names. You're not a 'good' Christian or a 'true' Christian or a 'real' Christian. Heck, one person went ballistic on a forum (the subject was Proposition 8), accusing me of having no honor and NO RIGHT to quote Scripture to HIM.
I'd cited the Lord's Prayer, most notably, 'forgive us our trespasses ...' and it clearly bothered him that a lousy Christian who was siding with gays and lesbians had even LOOKED at the most holy book.
I swear, both Christianity and Republicans are becoming more and more like that one Star Trek episode, where they don't even know what the words are, they just mindlessly venerate the outward form and vague sounds. 'Eed plebnista ...'
Our christian gov.Fob James declared "The bill of right's don't apply to Alabama" Were trying desperately to get us public hangings and floggings.They did get us hitching post and chain gangs for a while untill Don Seigelman put an end to the insanity
Jim Wallis of Sojourners has taken a public stand against torture, but I haven't heard of anyone else who's the head of a large religious organization doing that. It may be in part that it's a political matter that many church groups don't want to get involved in, or they may just ignore it because they're in support of any group that is antiabortion.
Since when has anyone here believed a word from Hannity's mouth?
He claims to be Christian and you accept it?
MM and her sibs will inherit nine houses and a shitload of other stuff. She will be more than happy to do her part to breathe life into the party is possible. Her agenda is a very clear one: Follow what ever agenda she is told to follow to attempt to make the repukes look sane.
to want to see how long Sean can hold his breath while his head is held under molten lava? Or to see if he can gargle while his lopped off head is in a basket? Huh, Mom?
Yes, son, it is. Sadly, it is...
so go ahead,God would approve
Ms. McCain's views on torture are admirable but she should start thinking for herself by realizing that the reason why "they" are fighting us over there is because they are defending their country against the invaders, i.e. the less than benevolent presence of the United States military.
Iraqis, Afghan, Pakistanis, et al-resist the American empire.
he's a Christian is a flat out lie, which makes him a liar. You're not a Christian by what you say, you're a Christian by what you do. hannity is an insult to all Christians.
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."
Mahatma Gandhi
And you're very right.
I was taught growing up in a Christian setting that people like mass murderers, serial killers, etc, may claim to be Christian, but they are not, because anybody who truly embraces Christ as their savior will strive to be like him in every way, which includes doing good deeds and helping each other out.
"I don't have any problem taking his head sticking it underwater and scaring the living daylights out of him and making him think we're drowning him"
I assume here that Sean is talking about what he wants to do to domestic terrorist cell leader Chuck Norris.
I think his reasoning goes like this: we know that many Christians were tortured by the Romans, therefore torture is an integral part of Christianity (and I'm sure Hannity would have no problem with those nice warm auto-da-fes under the Inquisition).
shoved up his you know what. God, how I'd love to see this simpleton put out of business forever.
Profannity is using chrisianity (small c) to speak to the other butt boys who believe in torture. That is hypocrisy to act like you are something you aren't. Profannity was a college dropout, construction worker who got a job with the microphone and the wingnuts have given him a great living tell lies and spewing hate on OUR airwaves. It is time for the FCC to reverse the rules that allow the reichwingnuts to control the airwaves. Profannity and Orally and the drug addled gas bag should all be pushed off of OUR airwaver.
his preacher/minister/priest hasn't asked him to leave the congregation he belongs to, because he is certainly NOT a Christian, then again, maybe his congregation aren't Christians either.
I must have forgotten Jesus' sermon from the swamp on waterboarding though.
"It's" no aging well
Compatible or synonymous?
Of course Christianity is compatible with torture. God, for example, thinks that some people should be punished in the lake of fire for all eternity. If that's not torture, then I don't know what is.
Meghan McCain is a prime example of why
i tell everyone, when someone tells me they
are christian, it's scares the hell out of me.
christians today will fuck you over first and
say god told them to do it.
Hannity is a putz...
The death spiral flame-out of the Republican party gets increasingly more entertaining.
the way they are behaving lately makes the slim hanittty
sound credible. Instead of feeding their worshippers
hope, love and peace they is feeding them hate.
This punk is headed for hell with beliefs like that. I don't care what he has to say I just read this for laughs as all these pathetic idiots out in the wilderness keep entertaining me with retarded crap.
Go Obama!
Like many Republicans, Hannity wouldn't even know Jesus Christ if He spoke English to him.
Christianity and Hannity have nothing in common but the "nity" at the end of their names.
Be it the Crusades, the Inqusitions, or the massacre of the Aztecs, Christians DO have a a history of using torture to force non believers to worship their god, under penalty of death..
Never mind that Jesus was a pascifist who advovated charity and compassion...
Remind Sean that his lord and savior, Jesus Christo, was basically tortured TO DEATH. Now, Sean, do you REALLY think your lord and savior would condone that? I'm no theologian but I'm pretty sure Jesus would oppose torture under any circumstances.
Sean is not a Christian, he is a heretic. God has a very special place lined up for him. I'm not sure which ring of hell it is, but I'm guessing it's not going to be very pleasant.
As you yourself noted, Jesus promised to throw the vast majority of humanity into a "lake of fire" for all eternity.
Jesus loves torture. Hannity is spot on.
Oh, the sweet irony! You don't even realize what you just did there!
he is a catholic
go down to bible thumping country...they will tell you
he is this close to really being satan
People have thought Christianity compatible with torture for at least 1000 years. Think: The Crusades, The Spanish Inquisition, The American Conquest, The Witch Trials ("She turned me into a newt!"), etc., etc.
Torture has been an MO of Christianity, since at least 350AD. The council of Trento meant a lot of "fun" was to be had with those still hanging to those pesky "unofficial" gnostic gospels.
Hannity and his pals will be first in line to nail him on a freshly cut cross.
In fact I can picture Hannity, with a box of nails, fighting to be the first one to drive the nail...
Religion poisons EVERYTHING.
we should eliminate all forms of capital punishment save for cruxifiction. This pisses off most conservatives on some level.
...is the only thing here compatible with torture.
Your old man fucked HIMSELF UP when he jumped out of his aircraft because,as usual, he wasn't paying attention while his flight instructor was lecturing the class on the PROPER way to eject from a stricken aircraft!
Megan's Daddy got shot down in the first place by not following proper attack procedures.
But what's losing another plane when you're John McCain and
your daddy's a Navy big big shot, and so was HIS daddy?
Many Christians through history seemed to agree that it was.
Isn't Yahweh, the Judeo-Christian god going to torture all unbelievers for eternity? If he does it, why not his followers?
terroristas are going to lighten up because we stop waterboarding...well, that's just not going to happen comrade.
To my knowledge, no one has ever argued that terrorists would "lighten up" if we stopped torturing. Keep on thinking that all you want, though.
this argument has been around for a long time. I'm sure you'll run into it eventually.
Sorry, maybe I am too much of a godless socialist academic, but I'd like to see citations on that.
There are plenty of actually valid arguments against torture (e.g., moral objections, torture producing faulty information, etc.) , how about you argue against those instead?
...and ain't he supposed to be infallible, Sean? At least, that's what they told me in Catholic school as they were whacking my hands with rulers.
for 24 years was the head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. That's what the RCC calls the Inquisition these modern days.
You think Ratzi the Nazi is against torture? Tell that to pregnant 9 yr olds in Brazil. Or people who could benefit from fetal stem cell research.
Not only does Sean Hannity support torture, but he is actively engaged in it each time he broadcasts his program.
I don't get it. If the evidence against the culprits is so incredibly strong that we don't even need to discuss it, then why not let them get hammered in a court of law, the way it's meant to be?
And if the evidence is not that strong, then can we justifiably hold these people?
yes, evidence over assuming that everyone that wound up in guantamo is a terrorist. they don't know who is there.
It must mean that these people really don't trust, have no faith in, and in fact are afraid of, the judicial system.
Is that not the sinister part of this unpatriotic mess?
You know, I think I read once that Insanity once considered becoming a priest. If true, he probably considered this so he could torture with impunity.
Don't members of Opus Dei like to flog themselves? Remember Paul Bettany in "The Da Vinci Code"? He played the weird dude who did flog and torture himself.
Maybe Insanity is also a member of Opus Dei....he sure seems like the type.
Antonin Scalia about all that Flaggellants stuff. He's a member, right?
i look at the quality of guests and "experts" they have on, the inane banter and low brow discussions and wonder how they have the nerve to declare that they are real news shows elevated to a higher level over the daily show or the colbert nation? if they complain that there are people that get their news from the daily show and the colbert nation, i think they are just complaining about the competition.
Hannity ought to try being tortured then, see if it does his spirit good.
Hitler would have agreed with him - probably would have made Sean one of his top advisors.
Not that Sean would know -- there's nothing christian about his soul.
Who would Jesus Torture?
*
Just look at what he did to the fig tree. He didn't just torture it, he killed it. Not the action of a nice guy.
Hitler would have agreed with him because Hitler was a Catholic. Pretty much all the top ranking leaders of the Nazi Party were Catholic. Every German soldier wore buttons and a belt buckle with the words: "Gott Mit Uns" (God is with us) on it. Hitler enjoyed the full support of the church. Had it not been for the centuries of persecution of Jews by the Catholic church preparing the way, the Final Solution would have never got off the ground.
Meghan McCain is a bit on the dim side.
Hannity is his usual ugly self.
You seem to be slightly clueless about how prisoners were obtained by the Bush administration. Some were detained by US forces on the battle ground, but many came by way of a $5,000 bounty paid to whomever. The comparative would be if $500,000 was being offered for every person caught being a Republican, at which point there would even be a lot of moms and grand moms being surrendered by their kids. Had there been ANY attempt to verify each detainees status as a terrorist, according to the GAO report we could have released the 90% who had no insurgent ties. This would have been fairly easy to do with a lie detector exam, ( have you attacked any American soldiers? ). The added benefit of this sort of basic simple assessment would have been if deception was indicated, the person was lying, and then YOU COULD HAVE BEEN SURE NOT TO RELEASE THESE PEOPLE FROM CUSTODY. Unfortunately everyone in Iraq, Cuba, and in those black sites must have been way to busy -- I like to imagine the Bush administration had them working 24-7 to generate more tax cut ideas for the idle rich.
If Rush can be a popular American hating talk show host. Successfully combining Oxicotin and viagra. Mixing 9 parts lying with one part truth. Blen religion with conservative politics.
Why not torture and Christianity?
For Sean, it is probably compatable for a Vice President to shoot his best friend in the face and get an apology from your best friend with gunshot still in his face.
Let's see: the rack, the Iron Maiden, the Boot, the Strappado, they Clyster, amputations, gougings, drawing and quartering, waterboarding, all used by the Inquisition
Now known as the Congregation for Doctrinal Purity where ratzinger comes from.
Makes me almost wish that Jebus was real...so he would come down and smite the living shit out that smacktard!
Xtianity is NOT ok with torure you fuckwit!
The Inquisition was carried by zealous ignoramuses like you Hannity...
And they were most certainly not Xtians.
Hell = torture for all eternity.
That's eternity, as it... forever and ever.
Jesus Christ has got to really love torture to want to do it for all eternity! That makes him a torture obsessed prick by anyone's definition.
willing to strap bombs to themselves and blow themselves up. I do not believe sticking there head underwater would phase them into talking.
faze.
Those scared little people on that panel really hate our system of government, don't they?
Why should the people picked up on this so-called "battlefield" have Miranda rights? Well, you poor fearful souls, in 1215 King John was forced to sign the Magna Carta which ensured that the our lords and masters, the nobles, would be bound by law and have to respect the rights of the king's subjects "whether free or fettered" - especially the writ of habeas corpus...
I know that these freaks and the REAL Repug agenda is to bring us back to a world of serfs and lords but the Magna Carta was the pivotal document that developed CONSTITUTIONAL LAW in the western world.
If they dare speak of freedom they better get a sense of history lest they spit in the face of all those who suffered and died to make a government of WE THE PEOPLE possible...
THAT'S why so-called "terrorists" have rights, you dumb right-wing parrots*. (*my apologies to parrots)
Terorrism, treason, crimes against humanity -- it's perfectly equal to what Christianity has been, what Christianity is, and what Christian ideals are. Christianity is the world's worse terrorist death cult, after all.
Adolf Hitler was a staunch Christian. George W. Bush was a staunch Christian. Molosovick was a staunch Christian.
Denial about what Christianity is is what allows Christian terrorism to continue.
Helooooo?
Has no one here heard of Hell before? Torture for all eternity as sanctioned by Gentle Jesus, Meek and Mild?
Please. Christianity is pro torture, period.
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