Gingrich defends Palin claim reform will cause 'euthanasia'
By John Amato Sunday Aug 09, 2009 9:00am
(h/t David for helping with this post))
Newt Gingrich debated Howard Dean on ABC's THIS WEEK over health care reform. Gingrich helped destroy it in 1994 and is an expert teabagger from way back. He quickly jumped in and supported Sarah Palin's disgusting Face Book comments when she says that her son with Down Syndrome would be put up in front of Obama's death panel and be killed if health care is reformed are just like two peas in a pod. Stephanopolous argued that the euthanasia talking point is completely made up and is not even in the bill, but Newt, the "Marrying Man" doesn't care what's actually in the bill because he'd never do that, he just attacked the evil government as the boogie man.
STEPHANOPOULOS: Those phrases appear nowhere in the bill. The only thing...
GINGRICH: But...
STEPHANOPOULOS: ... but let me just explain what's in the bill and then get you to respond to that. The only thing in the bill is they would allow Medicare to pay for what they say is voluntary counseling on end-of-life issues.
GINGRICH: I think people are very concerned, when you start talking about cost controls, that a bureaucracy -- we don't -- you're asking us to trust the government. Now, I'm not talking about the Obama administration. I'm talking about the government. You're asking us to decide that we believe that the government is to be trusted.
We know people who have said routinely, well, you're going to have to make decisions. You're going to have to decide. Communal standards historically is a very dangerous concept.
STEPHANOPOULOS: It's not in the bill.
GINGRICH: But the bill's -- the bill's 1,000 pages of setting up mechanisms. It sets up 45 different agencies. It has all sorts of panels. You're asking us to trust turning power over to the government, when there clearly are people in America who believe in -- in establishing euthanasia, including selective standards.
When were Americans against the government trying to help controlling the costs of health insurance? That's more Beckerwocky coming from the teabagger King.
Transcript of ABC's THIS WEEK below the fold:
STEPHANOPOULOS:....Sarah Palin, on her Facebook page yesterday -- I think it was Friday night actually -- said that, "The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil."
Now, as you know, Mr. Speaker, the president called that outlandish. He said...
GINGRICH: But why -- why didn't you put up what Dr. Zeke Emanuel said? Because Dr. Zeke Emanuel, who's the chief adviser to the president and brother of the chief of staff, said in writing...
STEPHANOPOULOS: He's not the chief health care adviser. He's written three articles between 1996 and 2008 that include some of those phrases...
(CROSSTALK)
GINGRICH: ... standards.
STEPHANOPOULOS: Those phrases appear nowhere in the bill. The only thing...
GINGRICH: But...
STEPHANOPOULOS: ... but let me just explain what's in the bill and then get you to respond to that. The only thing in the bill is they would allow Medicare to pay for what they say is voluntary counseling on end-of-life issues.
GINGRICH: I think people are very concerned, when you start talking about cost controls, that a bureaucracy -- we don't -- you're asking us to trust the government. Now, I'm not talking about the Obama administration. I'm talking about the government. You're asking us to decide that we believe that the government is to be trusted.
We know people who have said routinely, well, you're going to have to make decisions. You're going to have to decide. Communal standards historically is a very dangerous concept.
STEPHANOPOULOS: It's not in the bill.
GINGRICH: But the bill's -- the bill's 1,000 pages of setting up mechanisms. It sets up 45 different agencies. It has all sorts of panels. You're asking us to trust turning power over to the government, when there clearly are people in America who believe in -- in establishing euthanasia, including selective standards.
DEAN: Well, look, this is something Newt and I agree on. I don't want somebody in between the doctor and the patient. I don't want the possibility of losing your health insurance. I don't want people setting standards or denying care. That's all what we have now under the private health insurance system. That's what happens.
Look, I've practiced -- I've practiced for 10 years. My wife is still practicing. Never once did I have a Medicare bureaucrat tell me what I could or couldn't do for a patient, but all the time we have bureaucrats from the insurance companies calling up and saying, "We're not going to cover this, and we're not going to pay for that, and we're denying coverage of that."
The system we have right now is broken. We need to fix it. I think giving the American people some choices about how to fix it makes sense.
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had to leave his post as Speaker of the House in disgrace because of his dirty dealings.
Maybe we should ask Charles Manson and Timothy McVeigh what they think about healthcare.
Someone tell these "don't trust the govt" jerks that the fire department, the military, the police, the coast guard, the war on drugs, the CIA, the NSA etc etc. are all God damn government bureaucracies and Newt has no freaking problem trusting them so. . . apparently. . the government DOES PROTECT OUR LIVES Pretty well eh sparky?
How do they keep getting away with this?
This is what we should be saying to Newt!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju82qX1DzoM
is that at one time FIRE FIGHTING SERVICE was dependent on insurance. If you had insurance, you hung a badge on the front of your house, the fire brigade would douse the flames. They would only do so if there was a badge, because the insurance company whose badge was hung would pay for the service. Otherwise it burned to the ground.
And they realised finally that this was counterproductive. Just as not guaranteeing everyone in the US health care is.
Who would you trust more? Profit motivated CEO's who do NOT answer to the public, or public officials who are not profit motivated and DO answer to the people? I think the HCI (health care industry)
already kills people by denying claims for procedures and medication. It only makes sense in a profit driven situation, do we spend a million bucks to help Granny live a few more years or do we call it a day and drop her coverage, since she's already costing us profit and only likely to cost us more profit in the future?
the purchase of private insurance is mandatory.
Exactly, I have a bad feeling that this is going to be a boon for the private companies. Stop screwing around and give us single payer, like every other industrialized nation, what are we, The third world, to let corporations prey on our very lives?
Is that these so called government spokespeople from both parties, are daily going on the media to proclaim the pros and cons of a uninversal single payer healthcare, when in reality, it isn't even on the friggin' table anymore. They. Are. Lying.
This is health insurance reform now, aka health insurance bailout, no different than the bank bailouts or the GM bailout. Watch closely America. Neither party has ANY desire to actually do any type of reforms to benefit Americans. Just the industry itself. Carrot, meet stick.
What is on the table now is better than the ideas Republicans have, which is nothing.
discussing and changing, and adding, it will be whatever the Republicans want.
Thanks for pointing that out cc.
I was wondering to myself what the bill entails. It seems all the positive changes were blocked out of the discussion and what we have, Demblican or Republicat plan is bad, negative change for Americans.
Of course, we wouldn't want mass euthanasia like the stuff that's going on in Europe and up in your neck of the woods. ;)
But the Democrats have created their own reality- just like Karl Rove!
In this reality, forced insurance company subsidies are progressive! And must be defended from the evil Republicans.
In the Sad Reality, only single payer is a viable solution that will help all Americans.
Getting "progressives" so side-tracked by Newt Gingrich,teabaggers,etal., that they actually support a bill that will force them to pay private insurance companies is an incredible feat of propaganda.
And I'm watching it play out with horror. And yet, a grudging respect for the puppeteers that can make us dance to their tune.
Damn. They're good!
"If combat means living in a ditch, females have biological problems staying in a ditch for thirty days because they get infections and they don't have upper body strength. I mean, some do, but they're relatively rare. On the other hand, men are basically little piglets, you drop them in the ditch, they roll around in it, doesn't matter, you know. These things are very real. On the other hand, if combat means being on an Aegis-class cruiser managing the computer controls for twelve ships and their rockets, a female may be again dramatically better than a male who gets very, very frustrated sitting in a chair all the time because males are biologically driven to go out and hunt giraffes."
-- Adjunct Professor Newt Gingrich, Reinhardt College, January 7, 1995, "Renewing American Civilization."
Your congressperson finally comes home to your district. He or she comes to a place to meet you and discuss your point of view. Now it is your chance to finally say what you want in person to your representative in Washington, then what happens. Complete chaos by people who do not want to discuss anything occurs. Your congressperson is buried in screams and hollering not able to find out what is the real problem. You do not stand a chance to ask your reasonable question to your representative in all of the preplanned GOP destroy the meeting actions. Your opportunity is lost due to a few inconsiderate individuals. You go home knowing nothing new about health care and thinking what a waste……
Did you notice that with all of the screaming and hollering at these town hall meetings that no discussion about different health care concepts occurs?
Way to go GOP, shut down all chance for debate and information!
You then have the opportunity to remind the congressperson that he was not allowed to answer a question and that those shouting were grossly misinformed. Ask your question then in an email. Preventing a Congressperson from speaking, if just to hear his own voice, is like dangling candy in front of a tiny child. They don't like it much.
newspapers. If you e-mail any politicians, you just get a canned 'bot response. And e-mailing these bribees does not get any truth out there. Letters to the editor does do this. People can read it, ponder it, and respond to it. This can work.
Gingrich compares McCain to Abraham Lincoln.
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/17/gingrich-...
Maybe, here's your line YS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvpUqjXiTqA
... politically and morally dead: just one's too stupid to know it.
And Mrs."keep my family out of this!" used her child as a political football...again!
Sarah Palin is simply a nasty ignorant bitch.
the media's job has been to attack progressives, especially (D)emocrats, to support their corporats owners and to deny access to public airwaves to any form of truth.
While Conservatives continue to lie and claim of the Liberal Media.
I seem to recall that it was the Bush Administration, in 2003, that advised Medicare patients to begin actively planning end-of-life care with the help and guidance of their physicians. And this is wise.
The only difference between that and what's being proposed now (if Newt could/would read) is that the current legislation would permit a patient's doctor to be paid by Medicare when this counseling takes place. In other words, end-of-life planning would be covered.
On behalf of seniors and hospice patients everywhere, FUCK you, Newt. You lying, bloated gasbag sack of shit.
quick! someone call exxon!
You must have picked the last two lines right out of my mind, telepathically. This Bunyon Head is the ultimate in lying sacks 'o shit.
Dean countered with rhetoric unrelated to Newts claims the gov will euthanize people to save money. He started out by saying he agrees with Newt. Bad timing and poor choice of words Mr Dean.
I sincerly hope they do euthanize people. God knows there are enough idiots here that we can afford to lose a few. The Obama Soylent Green Memorial Processing Plant has a nice ring to it.
A telling excerpt on the corporatist team in control of 'HEALTHCARE REFORM':
We'd make the Iranian elections look like a pep rally. BHO is just trying to protect us from ourselves.
If you don't trust the government why do you want to be part of it? Newt and the rest of the conservatards should go find somewhere else to live, our country obviously isn't good enough for them.
“The idea that a congressman would be tainted by accepting money from private industry or private sources is essentially a socialist argument.”
Newt Gingrich quote
Actually, it's the reverse
If the law was changed to allow euthanasia, you think insurance companies wouldn't demand it?
It's kind of like when pay-outs were going from insurance companies to those who lost spouses in 9-11. They went the typical route of approximating lifetime earning capacity, and gave less to those with aging spouses or lower earning jobs like custodians. Whereas rich executives families got richer.
It created an outcry of valuing certain lives less.
"All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others."
George Orwell, "Animal Farm"
All lizards are equal but some newts are more sleazy and smarmy than others.
With all the wailing about government funding abortions, why no outcry against private insurance covering abortions? It is far cheaper to abourt a fetus than bring a child to term and to insure her health.
Isn't that what private corporations are all about? The bottom line?
And it's not like the insurance companies aren't already there with their practices of paying out bonuses to employees who find ways to fuck people over and strip them of coverage, just to line the pockets of the already bloated executives even more.
I honestly wonder how insurance company employees can sleep at night, or look themselves in the mirror.
see themselves a lot more on TeeVee these days, not much need to look in a mirror
Not only at that, according to former insurance executive Wendell Potter, there's been a lot of consolidation of insurance companies, so people who were formerly covered find themselves no longer covered, to maximize insurance company profits to make their stock holders happier, and to make their stocks more attractive to Wall Street.
Which I'm sure insurance companies screen for and absolutely seek out in the interview process for those types of jobs.
"Liberal arts major in college? I see.... We'll call you, don't call us."
I make it a point never to shake hands with someone who works for a health insurance company.
against a nursing home? I didn't think so. Old people have no value in a law suit, because they don't work and pay taxes any longer, as a general rule. So, "society" (the insurance industry who pays for these laws) does not assign them any monetary worth. If Granny dies in a nursing home due to negligence of the home, tough. She wasn't worth anything, anyway. I wonder how the industry will balance wanting to dump the old and infirm with the mandatory purchase of their policies? This should be interesting.
My goodness, it's amazing how so many MSM pundits, teabaggers and neo-con politicians can see vile and horrifying scenarios found between the lines of the health reform bill when none of them even bothered to READ the Patriot Act . Oh yeah, fuck you, Newt.
Passed within hours of its submission--rammed through. Who wrote it so fast? No one. It was premeditated, and revealed just before the vote so no one could contemplate its repercussions. Slick. Why didn't BHO do that with single-payer, especially since he is now using Bush's signing statements? Huh?
is exactly why the title of this site is Crooks and Liars.
Newt - "Don't trust the government".
Uh, you stupid fucking idiot. For the majority of your adult life, you have BEEN THE GOVERNMENT.
The next government official who says this should be impeached.
they want to be a part of the gov to destroy it
which makes them all traitorous bastards
On July 14, 2009, House Democratic leaders introduced H.R. 3200, the America's Affordable Health Choice Act of 2009. The three committees with jurisdiction over health policy in the House have each been working to develop a single bill that reduces health care costs, protects and increases consumers' choices, and guarantees access to quality, affordable health care for all Americans.
Here is a link to the bill if you’d like to review it yourself:
http://energycommerce.house.gov/Press_111/200...
The America’s Affordable Health Choices Act would provide significant benefits for the First Congressional District of New Mexico:
Up to 14,700 small businesses could receive tax credits to provide coverage to their employees;
10,600 seniors would avoid the donut hole in Medicare Part D;
900 families could escape bankruptcy each year due to unaffordable health care costs;
Health care providers would receive payment for $124 million in uncompensated care each year;
and
87,000 uninsured individuals would gain access to high quality affordable health insurance.
(Dist 1 is the greater Albuquerque area)
So, I'm supposed to listen to a guy who divorced his wife in the hospital, while she was still recovering from cancer surgery, talk about health care? Sorry, dude, nope. I'll listen to the guy who is a doctor.
I want the smartest guy in the room in charge.
We elected that man.
For the sake of the country, please take charge.
....the constant whining and Moralizing from the the neo-creepers who've all demonstrated that they actually have No Morals!!
Jesus is only interested in power. Ask the C Streeters. Jesus talks to them directly--his new chosen people.
So much for the separation of church and state.
I read Sharlet's articles and watched Rachel Maddow's shows - this little cult has been in existence since the 1930's - and they do preach that they are the new chosen - slowly infiltrating the ranks of the 'political leaders', not just in the US, but all around the globe!!
Why do they keep letting these Reslug bastards lie through their teeth and not call them on them?? There is no real journalists anymore, just biased Reslugs.
Anything that comes out of this political hack's mouth is bullshit. Even reading it, much less watching it, is useless.
is preaching only to his choir. No one with any intelligence listens to him, and those who agree with him are beyond redemption.
why did he allow newt to spew his bs without a rebuttal?
In 1999, the state of Texas passed the Texas Futile Care Law. Under the law, in some situations, Texas hospitals and physicians have the right to withdraw life support measures, such as mechanical respiration, from terminally ill patients when such treatment is considered to be both futile and inappropriate.
The Texas Advance Directives Act (1999), also known as the Texas Futile Care Law, describes certain provisions that are now Chapter 166 of the Texas Health & Safety Code. Controversy over these provisions mainly centers on Section 166.046, Subsection (e),[1] which allows a health care facility to discontinue life-sustaining treatment against the wishes of the patient or guardian ten days after giving written notice if the continuation of life-sustaining treatment is considered medically inappropriate by the treating medical team. For the hospital personnel to take advantage of legal immunity from prosecution for this the following process must be followed:
The family must be given written information concerning hospital policy on the ethics consultation process.
The family must be given 48 hours' notice and be invited to participate in the ethics consultation process. Family members may consult their own medical specialists and legal advisors if they wish.
The ethics consultation process must provide a written report to the family of the findings of the ethics review process.
If the ethics consultation process fails to resolve the dispute, the hospital, working with the family, must try to arrange transfer to another provider physician and institution who are willing to give the treatment requested by the family and refused by the current treatment team.
If after 10 days, no such provider can be found, the hospital and physician may unilaterally withhold or withdraw the therapy that has been determined to be futile.
The party who disagrees may appeal to the relevant state court and ask the judge to grant an extension of time before treatment is withdrawn. This extension is to be granted only if the judge determines that there is a reasonable likelihood of finding a willing provider of the disputed treatment if more time is granted.
If either the family does not seek an extension or the judge fails to grant one, futile treatment may be unilaterally withdrawn by the treatment team with immunity from civil or criminal prosecution.
The bill was signed into law while George W. Bush was Governor of Texas. Prior to the passage of this law, no protections or "grace period" existed.[1] Critics have compared this law and its effects with Bush's response to Terri Schiavo's situation, in particular his signing of the Incapacitated Person's Legal Protection Act
Furthermore, the ethics committee is essentially the final decision maker in determining whether a patient's care will continue or be terminated. The committee can decide to cease care even when 1) the patient has the financial ability (via insurance or other means) to continue to pay for care and/or 2) the patient has executed a living will or other written advance directive stating a desire to continue treatment.
There is no such provision in the Federal Government Healthcare Bill.
..."Don't Mess With Texas," I take it.
It's hard to shout repeatedly in town hall meetings.
don't use that as a rebuttal? link please
For a perspective from an ER nurse
http://wagelaborer.blogspot.com/2009/02/futil...
http://articles.latimes.com/2004/nov/09/natio...
Interesting article. What's 38 Billion divided by 4000? I don't have a calculator on this computer for some reason.
dammit. I found a calculator in my drawer but it only goes to 99,999,999. You know we're fucked when you cant even calculate everyday numbers on a calculator made 5 years ago.
I guess the answer is 9.5 million per victim of 911, assuming all involved were created equal. But according to the article they weren't.
I think it's $9,500,000.00
I lost my parents in 911 and all I got was this lousy T-shirt
that man can "outstupid" Palin.......:)
Stephanopolis "But that's not in the bill"
What Newt began to say "But there are over a thousand pages in the bill. It might be there."
That's an Argumentum ad Ignoratio.
I thought he was supposed to have a doctorate.
The bill could say we'd all be given a new 18 year old lover every week.
16 if you live in a state that begins with a "A".
A new teenager in my house every week?
No thanks.
does anyone know what they do with them? make them pay crazy amounts of money, or count it as a "pre-existing condition"?
I believe if you work for a major employer, the child is covered under your healthcare policy. I wondered if when Palin quit the Governorship she thought about her child's care. Does Todd have healthcare where he works?
If a family member becomes expensive to treat, a smaller company would probably find a way to eliminate that employee from its work force.
If you are trying to get healthcare on your own, yes, it would be a preexisting condition and Blue Cross/Blue Shield etc would probably turn down insuring the child or would except payment on any treatment related to the Down Syndrome.
In any policy there is a limit on how much an insurance company will pay out on any one person and if you have a serious disease or injury you may reach that limit.
If the parents are below a certain line in relation to the poverty level, the child could be cared for under SCHIP.
comes of age, 18 or 21 depending on the state he lives in, he is then covered only by Medicaid. No insurance companies will touch him
I like the third grade level logic here.
"The bill will do blah blah blah..."
"The bill doesn't say that."
"Well it COOOOUUUULD...."
No one elect Newt to government, please.
He's convinced that he will suddenly abolish "government of the people, by the people, and for the people" and begin setting up "death panels" if given the chance.
perhaps it was fatally flawed to being with.
http://www.sidis.net/TSChap26bw.htm
(A lot more before and after this chapter also, eye opener)
truly sad to see it coming to this.
Søren Kierkegaard was supposed to have said, "In every blossom lays the seeds of its own destruction."
Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel may've said something similar earlier.
So no tragedian truism is really needed.
The framers of the Constitution were hampered by the insistance of the southern states to keep the institution of slavery. Most decided to go along with it as a necessary evil with the rest compartmentalizing the irony of the situation in order to get a consensus among the delegates.
Too much time holding up Sarah Palin's calendar with one hand.
Theocracy. When the Corporations bleed Obama and crew dry whats the next obvious step?
I don't believe that euthanization is even a topic of serious consideration. Shit like this is what drives people like me crazy. The republicans might as well say that people can impregnate animals. Of course it's not true, but apparently if a republican says it, then it must be fact whether or not it has supporting data.
It's working for them to keep shouting euthanization just like it worked for the them to say WMD and a mushroom cloud. It's unbelievable.
I'm glad to know me, my goat and my kids are covered under the new plan.
Would "kids" be the operative word here? ;)
Just kiddin,
Is that what you told the goat or what the goat told you?
We don't speak the same language. She was a mail order bride.
http://www.greylodge.org/occultreview/glor_00...
Wish I had seen that. :(
I'm not sure why it was deleted.
I was responding to Sun, 08/09/2009 - 11:39 — pissed off patricia
With an image of Baphomet, the Goat of Mendes.
That's pretty tame ys.
Was it his man boobies?
No his caduceus.
However, not that eye of newt's claiming to be a Catlick.
I didn't see it, but I think I'm glad about that.
One thought that just occurred to me is I wonder what risk I put this site and all and sundry who pull it up, by placing links to god knows where, infected with god knows what kind of viruses?
was it a wiki link? I just tried posting a link to a very tame sketch of the goat in question and it was deleted before I could view it once.
A good way to avoid viruses in links is to boil them for at least ten minutes.
Boil them?
I figured out my censor. You can't say "boo" and "bees" in the same word. Their software knows EXACTLY what you're thinking.
[Calm Down. It was an auto censor, based on something we had to filter due to, more likely than not, a spammer-Sitemonitor]
That's so funny. They un-deleted yours and deleted mine. Same image. LOL.
It sure is ( unbelievable ) . Evil right wing scum without conscience and a gullible and stupid people who cannot put two and two together ... we are in big trouble . It's the Hitler / Goebbels / brown shirt playbook revived by the Repugs and the right , most the country is completely oblivious . Lie and repeat the lies over and over and over again , the fools will believe and the lie becomes the truth .
I saw this in real time, and I was shocked that Howard Dean didn't smack that down. palin's statement HAD to be called crazy and flat WRONG. Instead, dean took a nuanced argument. He made it sound like he agreed with newt and by extension palin. He should have said in plain english that was bull, demagoguery, and absolutely, positively NOT part of the bill. This stinking balloon is going to get some altitude.
the real agenda will remain unopposed as long as these guys can masquerade as their own opposition.
It doesn't sink in.
It's to unbelievable to the average person that the two parties doesn't actually exist it's just a "mirage, smoke and mirrors anymore.
Absolutely right evet. The two parties don't actually exist.
So Gore would've started illegal wire taps, secret prisons, torture and data sweepings?
My guess is yes ys. I don't believe the president makes those particular decisions on his own. Wire taps expanded greatly under Clinton, I doubt torture began in 2001, just the justification of it.
As far as the data sweeps, although I'm against it it is a side effect of the nature of digital technology. I don't know that laws or idealism can put that genie back in the bottle.
Torture has going on for years. Everytime that it is exposed the media and the american people act shocked all over again.
http://wagelaborer.blogspot.com/2009/02/memor...
The prison population in the US exploded from 1980, and there was no slowing down in the Clinton/Gore years.
The ability and inclination to data sweep started with the Telecommunication Act of 1996.
And Obama is pushing for centralized computerized medical records as part of the so-called "health care reform".
This will set up the physical ability to spy on American's health care records, as the centralization of the telecompanies made it physically possible to spy on phone calls and emails.
that gets to his desk.
To the frenetic accompaniment of titanic rhetoric, dancing girls, wild beasts, and lucullan celebratory feasting.
The SCUM will be orgasmic.
But to the extent that the CorpoRats, the Health Insurance parasites, and Big Pharma (e.g.) can "live" with any bill that gets through Congress, that should be a reliable index of just how deep the CorpoRat drones in Congress intend to shove the 'status quo' up our asses.
No bill that is acceptable to the HIPs , et al, is going to be anything more than a cosmetic patch on an endemic problem which no one in Congress or the WhiteHouse really wants to take the heat (from the vested, hugely wealthy, special interests: the Owners, i.e.) for fixing.
But then I have always maintained that it took/takes a special kind of delusional personality to expect or imagine that any Pol who is acceptable to the Owners would do anything with their "power" that would substantively or meaningfully diminish the power of the people who owned him/her and all their fellows.
give-away to the insurance industry and Big Pharma that will surely be in whatever bill is passed. We are going to break them or they are going to break us.
keeping people's organ(s) alive with absolutely no way of living is a big money business. having a will would change this for many.
You are a genius. A way to drive a wedge between them! Care providers make money keeping people who are sick alive. Insurance companies lose money doing the same thing. One possible glitch: Who owns the hospitals?
Is it true that Rick Scott has started "health clinics" at Wal-Mart?
The self proclaimed "party of freedom" is anything but. They don't want Americans to decide for themselves the public option.
Why is there not a means for a national referendum? How about national recalls? Or a law mandating state recalls for all states?
nice to hear a medical professional talking about where the "bureaucrats" exist in our healthcare system.
there are little to no "bureaucrats" preventing coverage, in the VA or Medicaid/Medicare or various state health plans.
the "bureaucrats" come from the corporations.
good on Howard Dean for pointing out where the bureaucrats exist.
Someone made the observation that if insurance companies could no longer except people with preexisting conditions, their actuarial departments would be reduced considerably saving them lots of money.
I thought it funny at the time when there was an evangelical outreach to the young in Asia that they designated Youth In Asia.
..just call him LIAR!
Hey there Liar, how's the golf game?
Hey there Liar, getting a divorce soon?
Hey there Liar, did you fart or are those words coming out of your mouth?
Hey there Liar, just STFU!
good to know we can't trust they guy that wants to be head of the Government
creating judicial penalties for spouses who are caught cheating and leave their wives/husbands as they're going through intensive medical treatment such as chemotherapy?
Just wondering.
Has anyone mentioned the number of elderly and children who die in our country every day due to the lack of nourishment and medical care now?
Evil right wing scum without conscience and a gullible and stupid people who cannot put two and two together ... we are in big trouble . It's the Hitler / Goebbels / brown shirt playbook revived by the Repugs and the right , most the country is completely oblivious . Lie and repeat the lies over and over and over again , the fools will believe and the lie becomes the truth .
in this. I wonder who is paying the shill/opportunist/strategist?
Am I the only one who noticed the segment ended rather early and in a perfunctory way? There were no good-byes or thank yous. These segments usually last most of the first half hour, today's lasted fifteen minutes, then cut to the villagers after the commercial. WTF? Inquiring minds want to know.
Would have popped this moron in the head with her wooden spoon so hard his teeth clicked together for lying. These people are nauseating.
I forget how much I appreciate NOT having this idiot around until he shows up.
Such foolishness and lunacy delivered by such an arrogant smart ass. It's like being healthy, and then having a severe head ache that makes you want to cry.
The absence of this prick on the airwaves is heaven that we just don't appreciate until he shows up the next time.
What a turd!
Where was the rights doubt of Government under eight years of bush?
As a matter of fact the clarion call was always "Trust us, we know what’s best".
Lying sacks, the whole lot of them.
100% of people are going to die!
Newt is a pile of crap.
and , republicanism is a mental illness!
Is this woman really this crazy??? And my, oh, my, how it confuddles me how so many people are actually buying into this bullshit. These people could be told that every time a Democrat does five jumping jacks, a kitty is bludgeoned and drowned, and they'd believe it! The most terrifying this is how damn many of them there are. I just...it's just so...but...GHAA!!!!
"The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s “death panel” so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their “level of productivity in society,” whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil."
Seriously?!? ...Seriously. Ever see the movie "Idiocracy"? If not, look up its synopsis. It think the joke may be coming reality.
I know this might not be PC sounding, especially given the context. But, I don't care; it's true. Colloquially speaking, there is a major difference between having a developmental disability and "being" retarded. ...This woman - these people - are retarded, and they excel at being such.
I reported it as hate speech, flagging and quoting the "parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s “death panel” " part as hate speech, adding "This accuses the President of having the intent of murder, without any evidence. Indeed, using false and completely undeniably fabricated statements. This is obvious libel defamation of character. It is based on unfounded hate speech with a goal of inciting and excessive aggression leading to violence."
Somebody needs to start calling this shite out. My side faced and suffered stronger allegations for much, much less for the past decade. I'm fucking sick of this hypocrisy.
Gingrich had a chance to refute Palin's comments, and make himself look reasonable. Instead, he promotes the same "fear your government" trash talk. Amazing.
Sunday's talking points from the titular head of the party--Rush Limbo.
Republicans did not seem to mind much when Texas decided to deliberately kill living baby Sun Hudson in 2005 (republican governor) because he was an inconvenience to the state.
Obama needs to address what Gingrich said. Obama should call a press conference and tell everybody how they are being punked and used by these assholes like Gingrich and Palin. Use their names and what they said and spell out how they are lying to the people who listen to them just like the the birthers are lying. Throw it up in their faces.
single payer to settle the dispute. Done and done.
If "Newt" says it's so, it isn't, and they can both see Russia from their front porch. "Newt" is the gift that keeps on giving...just like Palin.
Don't talk about "trust", when your gang wasted our time on a blow-job!
Eye of Newt, hair (pubic) of Sarah, etc., etc.
Oh, crap, I've lost it and all I've had is coffee today.
Newt is right about one thing: I wouldn't trust any government run by the Rethuglicans.
These Republican pigs are such cowards- they are afraid of immigrants, they are afraid of people with dark skin, they are afraid of Muslims, they are afraid of the rest of the world- what are't they afraid of?
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"This past legislative session, Pawlenty ended the General Assistance Medical Care program. GAMC covers most homeless Minnesotans. They'll lose that coverage come March.
"People on anti-psychotic meds who are trying to figure out, 'Well do I wean myself off? How do I do that?' People with diabetes [who need to take] insulin. These [are] real life or death issues. They're scared," said Lange."
Here is the link
http://wcco.com/politics/human.rights.homeles...
If you are homeless, have diabetes, are insulin dependant, and live in Minnesota, Govenor Tim Pawlenty wants you to die......
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