Dick Cheney: Reinstate the torture program
Former Vice President Dick Cheney said Sunday that President Barack Obama should put waterboarding back on the table.
Intelligence derived from the Bush-era enhanced interrogation program "probably" contributed to the death of Osama bin Laden, Cheney told Fox News' Chris Wallace.
"Which raises the question, if we were to now capture another new high value target, which is certainly more likely given this apparent trove of information that they recovered in bin Laden's compound, should the president reinstate enhanced interrogation including waterboarding?" Wallace asked.
"Well, I certainly would advocate it," Cheney replied. "I'd be a strong supporter of it."
"We went to a lot of trouble to find out what we could do, how far we could go, what was legal and so forth. Out of that emerged what we called enhanced interrogation. It worked. It provided some absolutely vital pieces of intelligence."
"It was a good program," he continued. "It was a legal program. It was not torture. I would strongly recommend we continue it."
CIA Director Leon Panetta has said waterboarding is torture but the former Vice President disagreed.
"Waterboarding and all of the other techniques that were used are techniques that we use training our own people. This is stuff that we've done for years with own military personnel. To suggest that it's torture, I just think is wrong."
The former vice president called the Obama's administration's investigation of CIA interrogators that may have abused detainees an "outrage."
"These men, all devoted, capable officials shouldn't have to look over their shoulder and worry if they follow the orders of this president to carry out this interrogation program at some point down the road when there is a change in policy, they can expect to be prosecuted," he said.
The reason I will not again vote for Obama or any other "major party" candidate ever again is because creatures like Cheney are free and those like BRADLEY MANNING suffer!
get an effin life.
He's right.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
People not voting your beloved "D" really riles you up, eh?
far left loon >.<
no. If ron is anything like me, he's riled up because people would vote for the criminal organization know as the republican party. After all the evidence of their criminality and ill intended actions, overt attacks on the middle class, it should not be happening.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Perhaps the poster votes Green, or some other choice.
"...will not again vote for Obama or any other "major party"..."
far left loon >.<
Right now voting "D" is the best chance that we have.
when you don't vote, we get the very people you don't want.
get out and vote or you just give your rights away to BITCH.
What's the difference if your vote gets you people you don't want?
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
.. his mind's made up ..
Voting solves everything!
When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
Progressives not voting gives republicans erections.
Give me a PROGRESSIVE candidate and I'll be happy to give him my vote. But it gets pretty fucking tiring when you have to hold your nose no matter WHO you're voting for.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
Progressives voting for Democrats gives them an erection, too.
In the two-party system you have the far right and the "far left", but the "far left" is centre right, or Republican lite. Voting for either of the two parties maintains the myth of America being a centre-right nation, because everyone votes right of centre. See how that works?
far left loon >.<
YOU WILL NEVER CONVINCE MY BLACK ASS THAT BOTH PARTIES ARE THE SAME.
I didn't say they were the same, I said they're BOTH centre right. (Where did I say they are the same?)
As the Republicans get crazier and keep heading further right, they're dragging the Dems to the right with them.
far left loon >.<
Just like other Progressives here pissed at Obama for some reason or another. You people and your suicide bomber political alternatives are just determined to give the republicans the power to give all of us Hell again.
I did not say, or insinuate, any such thing. I think perhaps the problem here is your poor reading comprehension. Or maybe in your heated stated all reason has flown out the window.
And this part is just out to lunch, "You people and your suicide bomber political alternatives are just determined to give the republicans the power to give all of us Hell again." Seek help before it gets any worse.
far left loon >.<
...and end the Democratic party. And not agreeing with your solutionless doomsday dumb-shit certainly does not mean that i have trouble with comprehension.
Answer two questions:
1. Are the Republicans further right than they were 30 years ago?
2. Are the Dems further right than they were 30 years ago?
(Bonus: Has either party moved further left?)
I didn't say I offered solutions. My post was descriptive.
You're the one wrongly connecting the dots (and trying to "put words in my mouth") to make me seem pro-GOP and nothing could be further from the truth. I don't believe I offered any alternatives, spiteful or otherwise. It's either failed reading comprehension or you're making up your own reality.
I wish I could draw you an easy-to-understand diagram, but I can't, not here.
far left loon >.<
Every time he (or condi etc...) speak it's like a swift kick in the balls.
Yes. But remember, they are yapping on the TV because President Obama has done something they could not, or would not do, to make us safe. They let OBL carry out 9/11 after being fore warned of the attacks on numerous occasions. That is either week, incompetence, or another criminal act. Then they let OBL get away, because he was more useful to them alive than dead. An interview with the rodeo clowns will do nothing to redeem them.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
OK, let's start with you first, tricky dick II
and see if (The) Dick objects...
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
There are lots of things we need to learn from Dick Cheney. I think we SHOULD waterboard him.
He should be waterboarded until he tells us what went on in his secret "energy" meetings.
cheney was getting a deep-well drilling.
he did not have time to meet his other
gop f#ckwads at the airport restrooms.
I'm really tired of the "we used it on our own people" line - the SERS program was intended to teach resistance to known torture techniques. It's like saying that tuberculosis isn't a disease because we use it to make vaccines.
Just for accuracy's sake.
JP
http://giveusthisdayourdailtydread.blogspot.com
Survival, Evasion, Resistance, and Escape
What ho, capital pun, Mr. Cheney! Well done, old boy!
If the bin Laden Affair proved one thing, it's this: As long as you don't have a cell phone, a landline or an internet connection, you can foil the biggest and most sophisticated intelligence-gathering apparatus in human history for over a decade.
JP
http://giveusthisdayourdailtydread.blogspot.com
Sorry, Dick. It was illegal before Dick. It was illegal when Dick ordered it. It’s still illegal after Dick. No grandfather clause for you …. Dick.
and say hi to Bin Laden when your down there!
Oh, what a pleasure to think about it.
"Trust no one, Mr. Mulder." - Well-Manicured Man
You are irrelevant, yesterdays old news, enjoy your various tax funded retirements already.
'Talk to the hand'
...it's OK to torture enemies to get information...the bastard might as well be saying it's OK for our enemies to torture our soldiers if they think they have info.
But he really doesn't care about either...
Lower the retirement age.
tortured 'we' can yell, scream and demand they be held accountable....
Cheney, Bush and Hannity (and Fox et al) still think waterboarding isn't torture. Aren't we still waiting for Hannity to prove it?
... waterboarding is DROWNING. You are drowning the person. If that isn't torture, then you aren't a soulless vampire.
BID
Now, big Dick, you realize that if the US go by YOUR definition of what constitutes torture or not of the enemy in the hands of the US, then you will have to accept the treatment of OUR US troops in the hands of our enemies per THEIR definition of what's acceptable or not, and this without EVER being able to prosecute them.
Basically, it will be open season on our troops, and you will NEVER ever be able to criticize or oppose it!
I'm sure he can find other sicko stuff to masturbate to.
dying!
Maybe we should unplug that fake heart of yours for a few seconds...
Cheney = heartless bastard (literally)
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
Let's see... Unilaterally, we send our special forces into a sovereign nation, a purported ally, to double tap a soulless dead-eyed monster; Bush's boogieman, who killed thousands of our citizens... and many more of the people he professed were his brothers and sisters in the Islamic nations. Our finest soldiers performed this dangerous task and earned the gratitude of most of the sane people on the planet. Now, another blood-soaked criminal tyrant who blithely stole our freedom, simply sneered at our constitution and dishonored the oldest democratic republic on earth as a nation of insanely avaricious louts and churls. A man so vile he has no heartbeat, no soul; yet he discredits Christianity as a cult of grasping hate and lies; shames America as a Fascist nation of ravening, demented thieves and heartless mass-murderers... This creature STILL wanders about, pontificating, posturing and procuring for the absolutely satanic monsters who're now literally making the planet unlivable for many of it's inhabitants? Who's actions are causing tens of millions to starve, while they speculate on vital necessities to drive up prices, to cause more misery and death, to drive up prices. Ain't Jesus, the Seraphim, Thor or some-damn-body supposed to take care of this despicable sort of motherfucker? Fox is kind of like Heinrich fucking Himmler vomiting his scalding poison into our faces 24/7, telling us how to be real Americans:
“The best political weapon is the weapon of terror. Cruelty commands respect. Men may hate us. But, we don't ask for their love; only for their fear.”
If Roland Freisler, Hess or Julius Streicher were still kicking, they'd have blond wigs, breast implants and award-winning FOX shows. And CNN would quote them as valid, expert sources on impaling or crucifying uppity-ass teachers, firefighters or nurses; then replacing them with slave 'convict' labor?
What's the matter with the rest of the world. Didn't the United States set an example of how to do secret reditions?. Was nobody paying attention? How about the countries that allowed us to bring people to them to torture? Surely they're not clueless about how those people to be tortured arrived at their doorstep. C'mon you lazy ass countries come grab Cheney. Hey Egypt you don't look so good right now. Grab Cheney and watch your popularity skyrocket. Hey Russia crush his nuts like he was a nine year old. Hey Poland rape him like he was somebody's mother. Do we have to give him to you on a silver platter? Get busy.
We Waterboard our soldiers so they know what it is like to be TORTURED!
The man is odious, stupid, cowardly and a criminal who has been permitted to ruin the world's esteem for the United States because as the odious, stupid and cowardly creature that he is he felt the need to torture. It's always the cowards who resort to torture.
I hope someone in a country that still believes in international war crimes extradites him some day.
And the networks who put him on as a spokesmodel should be boycotted.
MyMy
"It was a good program," [Cheney] continued. "It was a legal program."
But mostly for Cheney today it's a classic distraction, something he can bamboozle and act high & mighty about, so he doesn't actually have to talk about Bin Laden or give any credit to Obama.
Not prosecuting this criminal is a huge mistake. DOJ, you must prosecute.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
So strange the pro torture lobby doesn't care that torture doesn't work as a means to get accurate information, is a crime, and puts our own people at risk of being tortured.
If torture becomes practice, how long before your local police can use torture to get confessions?
this is a very slippery slope...
But don't worry, they say America is 'the world's beacon of freedom'
Apparently Dick is mulling around the idea of getting a heart transplant. A part of me just wishes he would shut up and die. Another part of me wonders if a heart transplant might help. Although I do suspect if he does get a new heart; his evil little mind will probably corrupt that heart too.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110508/ap_on_re_...
the world's #2 terrorist is still unrepentant and un-jailed.
Cheney's number one now isn't he ? Or did you put Rummy on top and at number one ? The village idiot would not make the top five based on stupidity alone . Rice was their token black woman , just along for the ride , I don't think she'll ever accept that but be in denial for the rest of her life .I'm so glad they're no longer in the White House ! What a nightmare !
"The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all."
Since chimpy and others are sooooooo pro-waterboarding..what say we waterboard THEM...maybe we'll get some REAL answers as to what went down on 9/11...
as for Cheney...there's ALWAYS a doctor right on hand, right????!!!!!
I'd say go ahead with the water-boarding, as an abject lesson, but they are going to lie anyway, perhaps even more so under torture - it's just a fact, well known to everyone including the CIA.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Why isn't Cheney in prison?
far left loon >.<
The DOJ has become impotent. It has become a yes man to the political powers that be. Good bye American morality. Morally superior nations will have to fill in where America has failed.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
the US Supreme court is sabotaged , the Republicans in the House and Senate were Cheney's enablers and accomplices , realistically what can Holder and the DOJ do ? The entire Republican party is guilty , about half of the government itself .
"The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all."
Because they covered their asses , including sabotaging the US Supreme court with their boys and because about half of the government itself , the Republicans in the House and Senate , were his accomplices .
"The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all."
"You give me a waterboard, Dick Cheney and one hour and I'll have him confessing to the Sharon Tate murders" - Jesse Ventura
How about this , water board Cheney , put his wal-nuts in a nutcracker , make him confess all of his crimes and then let justice be served , make him pay for treason , sabotage , war crimes and crimes against humanity !
"The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all."
If for any ungodly reason the torture program DicKless ChenEy & Bush provided over was to return, it would only be fair that those two were the first to be WATERBOARDED.
After all there are still many UNASNSWERED QUESTIONS!
Have it and it's pet monkey water-board each other! The Bush first though. With about 50-60 amps added, to jump all the dissolved synapses? Who wants a dead Dick! Whomever confesses first wins a date with the iron maiden? No, not Condi... the less nasty one.
I wonder how long before President Bachmann starts torturing climatologists, science teachers, historians, recalcitrant cheerleaders, whistle-blowers and assorted other scofflaws... like folks who post to C&L? During prime-time, with hot lead enemas and heated pincers? USA, USA!
“Think of the press as a great keyboard on which the government can play.”
The tell tale heart of Cheney is thumping louder and louder. He must wonder-- who will spin his reputation as a man philosophically opposed to torture after he is dead?
Hours after the death of Bin Laden, the clarion call to rally to the Bush-Cheney torture regime began. Still, those that rally to that standard will mark themselves forever as minor American villains, and the wiser among them know it.
For ambitious republican office seekers, the already stringent litmus test to which they must kowtow has been distilled. It is an interesting dynamic.
Torture was practiced, and practiced in the name of the people of the United States. The baffle-'em-with-bullshit crowd cannot overturn that historical narrative. They'll never quit trying, of course. But they are going to lose that argument.
Well, what would you expect a vampire to say? Of course he's for torturing people.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
...quick! Round up all the Bushies to go on the Sunday morning teevee talk shows!
Jeebus H Christ! Why is *anybody* listening to these losers, lunatics and liars?
To sell soap flakes, tampons and toothpaste, you silly. In the hope that the fools that habitually watch Fixed might figure out what they are for and perhaps use them.
The first casualty of republicanism is the truth.
Party politics are not only undemocratic, they are antidemocratic.
When is the 'Cheney' Unit going to finally expire?
I thought we destroyed SkyNet, and yet here is another model.
Seriously. I'm fucking sick of this guy being in the news. The only reports we should be getting from him is how his scrambled eggs and biscuits where this morning from the prison chow line.
Not more crap from dickless chicken-hawk Cheney.
The first casualty of republicanism is the truth.
Party politics are not only undemocratic, they are antidemocratic.
Cheney is getting very, very nervous.
He can't travel and I smell some indictments coming. He needs to constantly and unwaveringly assert that waterboarding isn't torture. Anything other than that would be tantamount to a war crime...with his name on the the indictment.
These sort of pro-torture apologies are setups for possible legal arguments. We won't be hearing the end of these.
The Worst Presidential Administration to ever ever serve America, and these Bozo Anti American CLOWNS and DISGRACES are getting Face time on the accomplishments of a REAL LEADER not a drunken Bozo Corporate Approved Anti American Supreme Court APPOINTED Ballot Box FIXED (Ohio, Blackwell), These COWARDS and TRAITORS who worked through FEAR and FAILURE are now trying to weasel the GLORY from the REAL LEADER to get bin Laden.
These Cowards who by there Drunk leaders own words March 13,2005 and either July or August of 2005 Marginalized the looking for bib Laden then made Jokes about the WMD and the Thousand of Innocent Lives that these BOZOS MURDERED.
Then this despicable piece of human FECAL matter this COWARD and TRAITOR LOW LIFE SCUM BAG cheney is given a green light by the very COWARDS and Racist that support him and try to Trivialize what President Obama did, these LYING, STEALING CHEATING SCUM BAGS TURDS, I hope they die very slow very painful prolonged deaths.
I wish this ghoul would just go off and fucking die already.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
Fuck you, Dick Cheney.
That's interesting because I thought this was determined when we prosecuted japanese prisoners for waterboarding Americans.
Dick-Head should reinstate his brains.
DId water-boarding and other "enhanced interrogation" techniques play a significant role in acquiring the intelligence that led to bin Laden's demise?
The corroborated timeline describing how the intel was gathered suggests otherwise. The water-boarding did NOT lead to useful intel; the three captives who were water-boarded did divulge valuable information ... many months AFTER the CIA had discontinued the water-boarding program.
Waterboarding is an excellent interrogation technique if your goal is:
a) a false confession
b) retribution
But if your primary objective to obtain useful intelligence, it's going to be counterproductive.
Those who are formally trained in interrogation techniques consistently agree that the so-called "enhanced" methods employed by the CIA were totally inappropriate and tactically inane.
These techniques are commonly used by foreign extremist groups and dictatorial regimes that are trying to get prisoners to confess to crimes that the interrogators know were not committed, i.e., they are not interested in obtaining information, their goal is the confession itself.
executed by the hague.
Darth Vader is back, with his machine enhanced heart. Now he is truly a Darth Vader man-machine, and now he comes out swinging to torture someone. Use the force to wring false information from the "evil doers." (as Dubya named them.)
Yes Darth Cheeeney, it certainly is a 'Legal Problem'.
"It was a good program," he continued. "It was a legal program. It was not torture. I would strongly recommend we continue it."
CIA Director Leon Panetta has said waterboarding is torture but the former Vice President disagreed.
OK, so you disagree with the current CIA guy. I don't blame you, he is really a rat and loves the patriot act. So ignore him.
Darth wants us to forget the number of hits I get from Google on "Japanese Waterboarding!
IMHO, the Wikipedia entry is enough, "even though the United States government hanged Japanese soldiers for waterboarding US prisoners of war in World War II".
Is there any more to be said? Well, sure the media gets it kicks for another news cycle by ignoring the above fact? Would that be another 'inconvenient truths?"
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