Charges dropped against professor amid questions of racial profiling
Police have dropped charges against a famed Harvard professor. Henry Louis Gates Jr. was arrested for disorderly conduct after he was seen breaking into his own house.
Gates' attorney doesn't believe that the professor was guilty of disorderly conduct. Professor Charles Ogletree told CNN's Kiran Chetry and John Roberts that the professor suspected race was an issue in his arrest.
According to Ogletree, Gates' told police, "I live here, why are you doing this to me? I told you this is my house, I gave you my I.D. and I'm the owner of the home." Gates charged that the police would not have treated a white man in the same way. "You're doing this because I'm an African-American and you're a white police officer? This makes no sense for you to question me like this in my home."
But when Gates stepped out of the house to talk to police they arrested him.
"He was very frustrated, there's no question about that, but belligerent is not the case. He never touched the officer, never pointed at the officer and in fact, he was trying to stay in his house having produced identification saying what more do I need to do," said Ogletree.
Didn't think a black man could have such a nice house.
How have we gotten so screwed up?
may reveal the racist in your home.
there must be a reason the harvard police, who know gates, would not vouch for him....
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=5671106&page=1
Some stuff you can't make up!
Cops did vouch for him, according to Gates' lawyer.
reports that gates was acting "belligerent" which is consistent with the police report.
i lived in boston for 5 years...its the most racially polarized city ive ever lived in...and i dont think the white cops like blacks very much - its pathetic...
I have been looking over the right wing sites...they all say that if he had just been respectful none of this would have happened. It was all his fault. I smell a big lawsuit quietly settled.
...and what they really meant was he gettin' "uppity".
Friggin' righties. I try, I REALLY TRY, every day, to make some room to understand them and tolerate their mean-spirited, narrow stupidity. But it's hard; so very hard.
I'm just superstitious enough to hedge my bets.
It's not the South, so it CAN'T be racially polarized!
The news account I read yesterday said that the professor asked the police officer for his name, and the officer refused to give it. Is that legal in Boston and/or Massachusetts?
Good question.
This would have never happened if the police were there to serve, protect, and not make things worse than they are.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Did the cops get pissed because not only was this a black man living in a lovely neighborhood, but he also had a driver?
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
I don't think Gates has a full-time driver -- he'd just returned from China, and presumably had taken a towncar from the airport.
As one of my good liberal friends put it, "this was just a case of two jackasses being in the same room".
I had virtually the same experience as Gates when I came home unexpectedly in the middle of the night. My wife refused to answer the door bell, and instead called the cops as I entered using the "hidden key". What happened next was a tragi-comedy! Suffice it to say that I had to jump through hoops to prove I was OK to be in my own home.
I put up with a lot of questioning that night, and finally the cop left us. Gates had less patience, maybe due to built-in sensitivity to police. He got arrested.
Why doesn't everyone involved shake hands and go home? Stuff happens sometimes. It doesn't mean that anyone really did wrong - Gates or the cop.
When the cops came, wouldn't your wife vouch for you? Seems that would have put everything to rest quickly and peacefully.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
where he was breaking in to off her...lol
My now wife of 42 years vouched for me immediately, in fact she even tried to stop the cops when she was on the phone. No deal.
Part of the evening was her in a separate room with the cop, who required assurance that I wasn't holding some other threat over her. I later realized that everything the cop did was in her best interests, but it seemed awfully tedious that night.
What if Gates had just sat down and said, "You've got my ID and this is my home? I'm not leaving until you prove I'm not the owner." None of this would have happened.
And I was arrested for jaywalking because the cop called me a moron 3 times and I asked him why... apparently you aren't allowed to ask cops why they call you names. Literally, I just said "why are you calling me a moron" - He said, "Do you want to go to jail" - We repeated those lines 3 times and I ended up in Jail. I'm not black - Had I been, I'm sure I would've thought the cops were racist, but I'm not.
I was pulled over 5 times and put in handcuffs 4 times between age of 19-22. I got 1 ticket out of all of that - Failure to signal - Turning right from a red light!!!
Thinking back on it, I'm pretty sure it was because I was driving a hoopty around some drug infested neighborhoods late at night and I was unapologetic to the police. I'm not black, but I got harrased.
Have you ever been a white person walking through a black neighborhood? Cops stop or follow you all the time because they're sure you are there to get drugs.
I think cops do profile, sometimes based on the car you drive, sometimes the clothes you wear, sometimes your skin color. Is it accurate? Probably not, but there is some truth in it... just not as much as sometimes people believe.
Professor Gates was in a bad situation. He WAS breaking into his home. Yes it was his home, but he was absolutely breaking into it. The lady who called saw someone breaking into a home - She didn't know who's home it was, but if you see someone breaking into a home, more often than not someone is going to call the police. It's unfortunate the way it turned out, but it hardly seems to do with him being black. It's so easy to pin it on racism, but really this stuff happens all the time to all sorts of people...as fmaston pointed out.
and why would you assume a black person being called a moron would think it's racist?
just asking...
Some stuff you can't make up!
I assume anyone who gets arrested for asking why he was called a moron would think there was something else there. If I was a different race than the cop, I think I could pretty easily have thought it was racism. Get it?
that that would have worked with this cop.
everything he did after that was wrong.
The cop should have just let it go.
Except Professor Gates isn't a jackass.
what a country. Comedy of Errors
to investigate a potential burglary, there are questions that need be answered. "this is my house" may best be settled with identification to this effect, not some self righteous indignation of it being a racial thing? the tragedy is that an otherwise mature adult, as well as a segment of population needing to see all things in terms of race, has to belittle themselves with such accusations.
He DID give the cops his identification.
but i would guess only after he had posted a huge racially charged sh!t fit. been there. done that. people do offend easily and it's always about race when ever a person of color is contacted by police. after all. all police are bigots, which is of itself a bigoted accusation. but an accusation made never the less?
Surely what you describe can happen, but do you really think this is what happened here?
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
i've lived this on occasion. the rich, the white, the influential also exemplify this behavior. they expect police to hold powers of observation that instantly identify them as who or what they are. they're amazed when police cannot intuitively grasp this, even as no others can.
...the few stories I have read have been consistent in the fact that he gave presented ID and proved his identity, the cop tried to leave, Gates demanded his badge number (for whatever reason he had), the cop refused, and at about that point Gates had his final words which apparently provoked the cop to learn him a thing 'er two by arresting him.
you seem to be implying the near opposite.
Btw, I'd like someone to show me the law where a man gets arrested on his own front porch for exercising his rights to free speech. Cops aren't their to defend their own honor and egos, but to enforce the law. Am I to understand that Gates was arrested for hurting this flatfoot's feelings? Great.
I'm just superstitious enough to hedge my bets.
Your right to free speech?? Lol!! How often have you dealt with cops? You have the right to remain silent and that's about it... and if you do remain silent you're still probably going to jail. They do wtf ever they want to do and worry about covering it up later on... if it needs to be. You can't even ask a cop how his day is going if he's in a bad mood.
So I guess you like living in a police state, then. The cop ought to be fired.
Yeah, that's what I was saying geek... haha -
The only person who said it went down that way was the cop. The cop is lying to cover his ass after he demonstrated his total unfitness for the job.
Remember that vampires cannot enter unless you invite them in. If he had stayed in, they could not have gotten to him. Seriously, if he had closed the door and tried to ignore the cops, they would have kicked in the door and shot him. They must be fired. No racists allowed in any positions of power.
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Some stuff you can't make up!
arrested every black man on the streets in a single night. I guess that should be ignored. they have a history of doing even worse things than were described and they arrested Gates to provide cover for the actions of their officer.
Some stuff you can't make up!
wow!! that'sa lot of paper work.
then 'identified' a black male assailant? your memory is quite convenient.
Some stuff you can't make up!
I remember it very well.
Every black guy in Boston was a suspect because of Mr Stuart's lies and deception.
Us white folks can be assholes sometimes.
You'd think an acclaimed US scholar at the prestigious Harvard University would think to put a spare key under a rock.
LOL oh man . . sorry, just noticed the anomaly.
...in another story his door was broken, perhaps from a real break-in attempt so his key wasn't working.
I'm just superstitious enough to hedge my bets.
may warrant police to investigate a person's identity?? why does every contact with police have to be something imagined about race??
...and that's why he gave it. Why he had a "shit fit", I don't know.
Besides, were you even there? Maybe he was treated in such a way that he felt justified in asking the question. And then! He was arrested for doing just that!
I'm just superstitious enough to hedge my bets.
a polite and reasonable person is seldom arrested what ever they do. the impolite and exceedingly unreasonable, especially a flaming a$$hole, is so more likely to be arrested for violations of peaceful good order. just treat the police as you would have them treat you and all goes well.
any one can produce an event leading to their arrest and imagine it a racial thing. it shows their predisposition as do many of the posts right here on this site.
who produces ID should not have to undergo unnecessary, demeaning questioning in his own home. Of course, you were obviously never pulled over in a benz and asked if you own the car, have you?
Some stuff you can't make up!
needs to be left along. Period. You're a numbnuts.
You must be white and very stupid to give the police a total benefit of doubt without a study of the history of how some law enforcement officers blatantly misuse their authority to abuse minorities. I come from three generations of law enforement officers here in Chicago and they tell us civilians of how they experience the racial discrimination and profiling of minorities regularly at their jobs. You sound like one of those disgusting dumbfucks who thought Rodney King completely deserved his beating in 1991.
My ex-girlfriend had an eye opening experience while driving in Houston with a close African-American male friend of hers. He was driving down the street in an affluent neighborhood and she was his passenger. He passed a police car and immediately looked at his speedometer and proceeded to tell her, " I am going the speed limit, but watch..he is going to pull me over." Within minutes he was stopped and the police officer didn't even address him, the first thing the officer asked my ex-girlfriend (blonde hair, fair skin, blue eyes) was, " Are you okay Miss?". Didn't even ask the driver for ID until the first question had been asked. After her rant of indignation toward the officer, and the police left, her friend told her that he had been pulled over for DWG. Driving with a White Girl, and that wasn't the first time. SO...stop talking about civility until you understand the concept!!!
My brother, a detective at area 5 headquarters(at Western and Belmont here in Chicago) is married to a petit, blond, white woman cop. Too many times white policemen have pulled them over and asked her "was she ok?". My brother got so tired of cursing out and challenging fellow officers to fights that he and his wife now just show their badges as the profiling racist officers approach. Many, many policemen use their authority to exact race hatred on minorities....period.
black? Have you ever been to Boston?
when a white cop does what that cop did to a black man, why is the black man automatically at fault?
Some stuff you can't make up!
He identified himself to the cop... and the cop then violated the law by refusing to identify himself to Gates. The cop should be fired for refusing to identify himself, abuse of power, false arrest, and being a racist coward.
was being vigilant and tried to save his house from being broken into.
LOL strange
Very possible. Then the cops arrive and ask to verify his identity, in case this was the guy who was breaking in. They followed him in to make sure, if he really was a 'perp', that he didn't go around the corner, draw a weapon, and come back guns a-blazin'. Whatever. I am sure that was part of procedure. All the real trouble seems to have come after having already verified the professor's identity.
By the way, I don't have a dog in this race. All i did was read the news accounts. I have no idea how everybody got so butthurt here, prof and cop alike.
I'm just superstitious enough to hedge my bets.
The neighbor is a fundraiser for Harvard University. He's a star professor there -- one of only twenty people to currently hold the rank of university professor. The idea that she didn't recognize him on sight is absurd -- Harvard ought to fire her for incompetence, if nothing else.
to cover their asses? That one?
...I hadn't seen it that way. The notion that he was pushing in his own, jammed door doesn't exonerate or help either side, imho, and that this part of the story was imparted by Gates. Prove me wrong; I'm ok with that. I have no dog in this fight, save the truth.
I'm just superstitious enough to hedge my bets.
where the participants want it to lie. Notice the subtle use of the words "lies" and "lie."
That and the faulty front door, suggests somebody was targeting Professor Gates after his foreign trip, almost like it was a preplanned setup for a confrontation.
...I knew a guy in high school who did math problems on a black board in his back yard for fun, but couldn't make his own lunch. Even geniuses have their idiosyncrasies; maybe even ESPECIALLY geniuses have their idiosyncrasies.
I'm just superstitious enough to hedge my bets.
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trying to bust open the door with his shoulder. Not a good idea!
Unless it was already broken...
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
it's his own fault, blah, blah, the officer was just doing his job, blah, blah. From the Boston PD's press release.
I'd like to read it and see if that was just quoted into the article I read.
I'm just superstitious enough to hedge my bets.
by the police I mean this isn't just a "black thing" now.
This is a case of the police showing up and making a situation much worse, regardless of which party sparked this. This situation is not unique and police work has to be reformed so they are no longer hazardous to the public.
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"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
that way, no one has to face the ugly truth about it.
Some stuff you can't make up!
Don't get mouthy with the Police. Sorry to be so blunt but . . .
That's reality for your own safety.
now they don't now who's armed and who isn't. It sucks but we're all to blame for allowing it to get to this.
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That might be the difference. We've had to work with the police and together as neighbors to reduce crime to next to nothing.
We're not interested in inviting home invasions and what have you.
May as well put up a billboard that says . .
Home Invasions and Burglary's Welcome Here!
"decent"?
Some stuff you can't make up!
To serve and protect, unless you tick me off, or i just don't like you... How about higher standards - smarter police officers...
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Seriously, these days it often sounds like some cop got angry rather than maintaining a professional demeanor. That even temperament protects them as well as anybody they are dealing with. Flying off the handle is not a good trait in a cop.
Evet:
If you are saying that's the way things should be, I disagree. Nobody should have to be afraid of pissing off a cop by being mouthy. But in REALITY...yes, you could be right.
I'm just superstitious enough to hedge my bets.
but just being polite, cooperative, and not cocky to police goes a long way in a weird situation like this. Could be the Professor never in his entire life ever had a police encounter and was shocked when he got mouthy with them and they responded with the first "calm down sir we just want to talk" and he uped the ante it to the next and final level.
That's just the way it is Police are Military Type Guys not babysitters and personal assistants.
we are not your hired help, not your pool cleaners, so please just
"answer the questions"..........
Nice to be trolling/shilling PR on the taxpayers dime.
were you there?
Some stuff you can't make up!
"Fucking stop it!" at two cops who were mercilessly beating someone who they had handcuffed and thrown across the back of their squad car. I won in court. here's why: Police are or should be trained to resist responding to someone yelling at them." True story. That simple.
I've never seen the police mercilessly beating someone up except a few rouges that end up on YouTube.
They don't ask you if your comfortable and would like a pop or smoke when they cuff you.
difference does it make? The cops do not have the right to beat up anyone, especially if they are handcuffed so they cannot defend themselves.
for sayin sir to a female cop.
I dropped like a sack of potatoes.
Cops have hair triggers. It's best just to talk all nicey-nice to them, even if it makes you sick on the inside.
Ya get more flies with honey than vinegar.
I've seen DC police do it more than once, usually when the person has merely asked "What did I do?" and the cops got an attitude.
We live in a police state. If we didn't, then the courts wouldn't automatically take the cop's word against a civilian. It SHOULD be the other way around: the citizen's word should trump the cop's.
yes of course and then the guilty need never be arrested at all?
Perhaps if you read my comment more closely you'd see in the second paragraph that I am referring to court cases in which there is no proof - just the cop's say-so. If it's the citizen's word against the cop's, and there is no proof, then yes, the citizen's word should trump the cop's. I've seen too many cops lie outright to protect their own asses.
BTW - the "guilty" are NEVER arrested; they're presumed innocent until PROVEN guilty.
ah yeah. we never arrest guilty people until the courts say they're guilty. that would sure cut down on unnecessary paper work wouldn't it??
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a left winger. an Obama supporter from day one who actively worked his campaign on my dime and still no regrets. yup. a damn cop.
(glad you two beat the rap on the car chase...you wicked things)
the post-racial world! good for you. can I get there by bus?
Some stuff you can't make up!
the back.
We seem to be getting poor service for our monies.
and it's the cop's job to figure it out after arresting them?
Some stuff you can't make up!
you have never seen the police do anything wrong.
Some stuff you can't make up!
but yes i have seen cops do wrong. to be honest the wrongs of the cops are like infractions compared to the felonies of our suspects. i will say i do commit many felonies myself, but only in thought. wicked thoughts like throwing child molesters off tall bridges comes to mind.
you MUST be one of those 'conservatives' I keep reading about.
Some stuff you can't make up!
I've seen a couple times when a cop that responded to a corporate security guard's complaint about a trespasser or someone acting unruly, the cop gives the guy a couple good punches to the stomach as they're walking to the car.
I've seen a naked guy get tasered repeatedly with 6 cops standing around him... I mean, he's naked, he obviously doesn't have any weapons... they had 6 cops there, I think they could have probably got him down. I could even see 1 use of the taser, but you don't need to repeatedly.
I don't understand why some cops are so easily butthurt these days and at the same time people want to say, "Don't piss them off". Sorry: professionalism demands that they be made of sterner stuff and an extra ten minutes in the weight room is a poor substitute.
I'm just superstitious enough to hedge my bets.
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how far from the cops were you when you yelled this at them.. be honest now.
...if she tells you "20 feet" will you believe her? Be honest now.
I'm just superstitious enough to hedge my bets.
i believe every thing i'm told.......not
at about 3:30 a.m. through a main intersection in the Village where I grew up. A man was cuffed and thrown over the trunk of one of their patrol cars. One officer was a Village cop, and the other was a County Sheriff's Deputy. When I yelled, the deputy jumped in his car and my husband gave him a run for his money. We won (my husband raced cars), but he got our plate number, and he knew me. He wrote the number down wrong, though, so my husband got off on a technicality. When I finally went before a judge, the charge was dismissed for the reason I stated. Ultimately, the deputy who chased me was arrested for trading pistol permits for sex. He was a clerk for one of the county level judges. Driven out with his head hung low. I love the Universe when it gets even. I love it even when it doesn't.
Savannah...I'm just guessing here, but it doesn't sound like you were arrested for yelling at a cop. I think ccf is going to feel pretty good after reading your tale, an honest story too, I'll give you that.
Ok, I really am out of here (these pop-ups just keep pulling me back in).
[chuckling]
I'm just superstitious enough to hedge my bets.
Why is this so unbelievable to you? I really want to know. Let me disabuse you of what you may be thinking. We took off after he jumped into his car to chase us. We stopped, at MY insistance, to try to help the person being beaten. My husband was a "go along to get along " kind of person. I'm not.
Whoa whoa whoa! The story you told involved a car chase. That's what i was laughing about. I mean, really, what do want us to read there? It's always a bad idea to run from the cops. But if you got tagged for cursing, not running, then I have no reason not to believe you.
You sound pretty spirited (a complimentary version of "uppity") and I gots no problem with that. I was just having a little fun at your expense and I thought you would get the joke, that's all. Remember, I was the person defending you against the implication of being called a liar.
(man... if I don't want the pop-ups to draw me back in, maybe I should SHUT this window down while I work? Har)
I'm just superstitious enough to hedge my bets.
Entitled "Fuck Free Speech..." I thought you were in on it from the beginning.
No, I get it (and re-read that post). Then you elaborated on your story and added a car chase. That's all. You say they busted you for cursing, and you say they violated your right to free speech, then that's fine! I don't know if you get that I am not questioning your story. I mean, if you think about it, I'd be as big a boob to take it for gospel as I would be for calling you a liar since this is all anonymous, yet here I am taking your word for it; see what I am saying?
"In on it from the beginning" though. I am a little confused by that. Meh. Maybe it was my "calling each other liars" snark down below. My bad.
I'm just superstitious enough to hedge my bets.
i even said i believed her story and wished her well on the fine get away and she still had naughty words bout "my kind" having the last word??
some peeps get grumpy even when you agree with them
Maybe so, maybe so.
Though....haha....come now...you weren't being a leeettle sarcastic with that well-wishing?
Good chattin' with you all.
I am not necessarily leaving yet (why lay down any more empty threats?), but anyway....
I'm just superstitious enough to hedge my bets.
"you weren't being a leeettle sarcastic with that well-wishing?"
no i wasn't a bit. i thot it was a great story and so outlandish it had to be true. most people have biases about us poor down trodden and put upon police. why? because there's always a story of the cop did this or that and sometimes it's even true. people need to recognize that cop bias is as unjustified as race bias.
...hardly disagree with that last sentiment.
However, I won't condemn people for being scarred by their own experiences. I have no such personal scars, so i can't judge them for being wary.
I'm just superstitious enough to hedge my bets.
It's true that cops who are good don't get enough credit. But jesus, there are so many that do whatever they want it's hard to be sympathetic. Until internal affairs or whatever department the city has actually gets rid of those who abuse power, then it's hard not to be critical.
I had stuff put into my bookbag while I was in Jail for the jaywalking incident I posted about earlier in this thread. I called the station and asked if they had video cameras in the room where they searched my bag... the guy said yes. I asked him how I would go about getting a copy... He said, "well they aren't actually being recorded"... OOOHHH... so why exactly do you have the video cameras???
Until stupid stuff like that stops, it's going to be an uphill battle for a good cop to get the respect he probably deserves.
If you don't want people to hate police, then you have to put bad cops in jail, consistently. You have to abandon the blue wall of silence and police your own. Stop using the police union to protect bad cops from the consequences of their actions.
Until you're willing and able to do that on a consistent basis, you're not entitled to the public's trust.
for speaking one's mind. It is not my free speech that I was trying to defend. If the man was in his own house, he has the right, not privilege, to say whatever he wants to say. Anyone who doesn't want to hear it is free to leave his house. Including the cops. The example I gave was the first time I had the concept of free speech driven home to me. I haven't forgotten it. I had fun with my experience. I expect that the Professor has not. I feel bad that he had to be treated this way.
a person may exercise their right to free speech.......and be arrested for something else because of it. if you're looking to be nit picked to death, just tell a cop how you really feel. free speech may not always be advised??
Do you think I was arrested for riding in a car? Shall I type slower for you?
again. indisputably angry and what for? please don't let your biases prejudge me. that would be no better than the topic of which we speak.
Ah, one more thing -- until cops stop promoting a police state, as you are here, they are not entitled to the public's trust.
Ok. I think we have all agreed to...what again?
:)
Anyway, this was fun (for lack of a better word and time to think of one).
I'm just superstitious enough to hedge my bets.
Sometimes what someone says to you tells you much about his character, doesn't it?
is hard to discern via a blog. hey i've only given you best wishes on your escape from justice as it were. sincerely too. don't get grumpy.
don't leave while it's still fun.
try to remember we cops are equal opportunity arrest(ers). we really don't care. as for me i prefer lawyers and doctors white like me. they're so easy to jail, especially the divorce attorneys knowing nothing of criminal law.
Not to you. But as your kind have to have the last word...it's all yours.
if "my kind" has some how offended you. talk about bias??
can I ask what the actual charge was?
Good question. So far all i know is that the charges may be "oops sorry!" or something to that affect.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
On his own property, no less.
I know what he was arrested for. I was asking what you were charged with.
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but disorderly conduct, even on your own property, is arrestable on the left coast too. so isn't "drunk in public" on your own property. drunk in public is a personal favorite and so prevalent out here.
I've heard of a guy who got a dui on a lawnmower, in his own yard. Never left his property.
he was a mouthy "a" hole too. any motor vehicle in a public place likely (or not?) to cause danger to the public.
dui on a bicycle is good in california, though it's a lesser charge and offense.
had a friend who tried a dui on a skateboarder but the duty lieutenant said nada. last i heard the skateboarder is spending decades in state prison for much bigger stuff. skateboarding? the "gateway" crime?
the guy had a glass or two of wine and went out to mow his yard. It was on a slope and the mower rolled over and knocked the guy out. Someone called the police, by the time the LEO got their he was conscious but disoriented, the officer thought he was drunk and arrested him. Charges were eventually dropped. DUI on a bike here in IN is the same charge as in a car. Not sure about a skateboard though.
Although I do disagree with drunk in public on your own property. I can see disorderly conduct or disturbing the peace though.
ETA although here drunk on a bike is usually just charged with PI
Here in NY, one cannot be arrested for being drunk in public. There must be some other behavior that is criminal. Public drunkenness is not a crime here.
Flashing your genitals from your private property? Isn't that wrong? Doing wrong things in your private property is still wrong. Damn, I'll bet that most rightly convicted criminals are in jail for something stupid they did in private property.
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control freaks. For the record.
sounds like an honest tale it does indeed. inadvisable to yell profanities but...you only got away with it by the skin of your teeth so don't do that again.
if it were me on this left coast i would not have chased you and as for sex for pistol permits???? hahahaa i've heard it all now. and again this is so outlandish i just know it is true...hhahahaa
I resent your implication. GFY.
He's just being an ass. Don't sweat over a troll.
The cop had a fat ass from too many doughnuts and sitting at a desk all day. Why do you ask? He was know as a bully from his grade school days in our little village. Dunbar was his last name. Dumbar was his nickname. Throwing his considerable weight around was his game.
Completely irrelevant; the cops were in the process of committing a criminal assault. A cop who beats a person in handcuffs should be fired and stripped of all benefits, and then do serious jail time.
As though he did. He's got a witness, remember? The driver.
That's a rule for people who enjoy being subjects of a police state.
he identified himself and they still arrested him? i want more information.
. . Gates already was inside. But when he was asked to provide identification, Gates allegedly snapped, “No, I will not,” according to a police report.
So the Police had responded to a break in and he was already in the house . . apparently
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