Cafferty File: Is Legalizing Marijuana The Answer To The Government's Money Problems?
From The Cafferty File:
It’s time to debate legalizing marijuana in California — so says Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger. As the state faces mounting deficits, the governor says he’s open to talking about different ways to create revenue. Although Schwarzenegger doesn’t think the state should rush to judgment and start taxing and legalizing pot right now, he says he’s interested in looking at other countries that have legalized it to see what effect it’s had.
Schwarzenegger’s comments come as support grows nationwide for legalizing pot. In California, a recent poll found for the first time a majority of voters back legalization.
One California lawmaker says regulating and taxing marijuana would bring the state as much as $1.3 billion a year in extra revenue. Proponents say it’s about more than just money; it’s about the failure of the war on drugs and implementing “a more enlightened policy.”
One advocate tells The San Francisco Chronicle that Schwarzenegger’s comments represent “a tectonic shift” in attitudes on the issue, saying: “The public is going to drag the politicians into doing what is right.”
But not everyone is so sure this would be the right move. Some lawmakers say the potential revenue would hardly make a dent in California’s deficit — which could soon reach $20 billion. They say this is just a sign of the governor’s “growing desperation” over the budget.
Here’s my question to you: Is legalizing marijuana the answer to the government’s money problems?
Ray from Nashville, Tennessee writes:
It won’t solve the problem of the deficit, but it would help a little with revenues. More importantly, our court system would rid itself of a huge burden created by petty pot violations. Think of the money that would be saved by not having to bust, try and jail these people. It’s a win-win situation.
M. writes:
There are too many people making too much money from this drug being illegal: cops, prisons, courts, and all the people they employ take home good paychecks from weed.
Tim from Texas writes:
Would you start smoking pot if it were legalized, Jack? How about Wolf? Does the fact that it is not legal prevent anyone from smoking it? The point here is that whether it’s legal or not has no effect on whether people use it or not. So why not make it legal and tax it? For a billion dollars you could pay 20,000 teachers 50K a year.
Kathy from Wilcox, Alabama writes:
Legalizing pot won’t eliminate government deficits. But it’s a viable idea to discuss. If anything, legalizing pot would pacify large segments of the population into not worrying so much about deficits. I’ve never encountered aggression or anger in a pot smoker. But I’ve seen a lot of bruises and broken lives caused by alcoholics.
Sam from Orlando writes:
Absolutely! Marijuana should be legalized and taxed, that’s more money. Satisfying munchies means more money. Taxing rolling paper means more money. Less violent crimes equals less need for enforcement resources, which means more money. We can have a more friendly society, crooks and coppers hugging and holding hands while sharing some fine government ganja…. it would be beautiful.
Guy from Atlanta writes:
Dude, I was going to post something but I forgot what it was. Have a nice day!
and Yes!
If you get the good stuff I suppose you might think you are enlightened. I'm all for it, it will reduce the competition in the job market.
Interviewer: What are your credentials Mr. or Mrs. job candidate?
Job Candidate: Oh uhm wow mellow out man I wasn't expecting that question.
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
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the proponents. Don't get upset, if you want to smoke it have it, but the hey dude thing goes with the territory.
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
hey dude
Never once said that in my entire life.
far left loon >.<
VegasRage does this on every thread about cannabis, the poor dear.
He said he used to smoke. ("I smoked pot for 6 years, but couldn't focus on anything but my next joint.")
Nothing like a reformed smoker, eh? Sanctimony.
far left loon >.<
smoke on that thought for a while.
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
Bwahaha! Yeah, OK, whatever. You don't seem to understand the word, "hijack," any more than you can discern propaganda from science.
Or, you're right, everyone else is wrong & there are just thousands & thousands of men out there with 48DD breasts gained from smoking pot.
The Global Empire will have to find a way they can get a patent for it ,, like the drug companies now have on their drugs to monopolize on the control for selling....
Sooooo this Global Empire can become the only Drug Dealer..
None
Are you kidding me? I love that song! "Hey Dude...Lend me a dollar, or a fiver would be even be-e-e-etter"
LOL. I think your answer to a poster which was neither "upset" nor "riled" tell us more about you than about pot smokers.
If anything, you may find it helps taking the edge off, you really need it dude.
The statistics do not support your tounge-in-cheek thesis. Marijuana smokers are as well-paid in professional positions than non-smokers, according to the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Data Archive. These studies were funded by the US HHS dept.
All drugs should be legalized. If we are going to support adults riding motorcycles, than the much safer alternative of drug-use is uncontroversial.
Like alcohol and guns, they should be regulated and kept out of the hands of kids. As with any dangerous activity or substance, an adult is the decision-maker. We cannot legislate against carelessness or irresponsibility.
The Drug War is a failure and very damaging to the United States, who look like the Taliban when compared to European countries who are moving toward sensible drug policies.
all drugs should be legal, then they will be taxed to death like cigarettes. You will pay more for pot only a few years after it's legalized than you would have when it was illegal.
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
You could maybe plant one in your garden.
That would be the biggest threat to the drug war profiteers.
regulate it and tax it.
You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. I'm a PhD candidate at one of the top technological institutions, not only in this country, but in the world, and smoke pot regularly. I'm sure you would be amazed at the accomplished people you know that are pot smokers.
and couldn't focus on anything but another joint. I work in a highly skilled technical position as well, but I can assure you I wouldn't have been able to get where I am at or hold the job I have if pot were still part of my extra curricular activities. Maybe you aren't smoking the good stuff. It caused enough problems for me to shut down that behavior.
Don't get me wrong I think pot should be legal, on par with alcohol. If people want to smoke their brains out and eventually have it slow their mind that is their business. Did you know that pot resin forms and stays in the cranial meninges for years? As you may already know the meninges cover the organs of the central nervous system. Pot resin covering your central nervous system for life, doesn't that sound appealing? The medical autopsy photo's are fascinating.
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
I have been trying to find any confirmation of the pot resin brain thing, and am finding nothing. Do you have any links?
when google is flooded with high times articles and websites by people who are dying to have it legalized. I saw the photo's in my college biology class years ago. It creates a brown layer in meninges, prolonged heavy smokers result in a hardened shell. Great stuff.
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
No is the answer.
go ahead, it's your brain.
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
That's right, and you've made your point. We get it. Saying it 500 times doesn't make it truer.
far left loon >.<
for you and that, after all, is where its at! You admittedly overindulge, but you also know your limitations and you've dealt with them well. Good for you.
You know what an alcoholic's brain and liver look like, right? But they at least get the opportunity to cook their brains and livers legally, and at many costs.
It's a matter of choice, realistic policy, use of resources, hell, maybe even crowd control.
and I have seen the autopsy photos of that condition as well, their brains shrink in size and literally free float in a sizable liquid space within the cranium. Those photo's were frightening.
Probably the worst drug ever though is crystal meth, that stuff literally eats you up. If you have never seen photo's of that action check this out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GS8XY4GMnJk
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
thing was debunked years ago. sheesh. dude.
you are one of those who don't.
For what it is worth, I was able to finish a PhD and write several good papers, and smoking pot did in fact help me in a big way: better concentration, far calmer, and I got some great ideas under the influence, which lead to some seminal work in my field (VLSI).
In fact, the best programmer I have ever met was a heavy pot user.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but are you sure you were smoking pot or crack?
Just because it caused me problems doesn't mean I need to insist on it's removal. I do have fun though on threads like this because so many people come out zealously screaming more more more. I know exactly why they are all for it.
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
From an article on Cannabis Culture Magazine;
"Aside from the five million people worldwide who suffer a stroke or head trauma each year, there's another huge market for Dexanabinol, the US Army. US military tests on rats have shown that those exposed to Dexanabinol were 70% less likely to suffer epileptic seizures or brain damage after being exposed to sarin and other nerve gases. Dexanabinol is effective as both a preventative measure and as an antidote."
Dexanabinol was made from THC/Canabaniods.
Actually, VegasRage, it protect the brain cells during blood loss, proven time and time again.
Link to page;
http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/1418....
--is a '60s/'70s carry over from the Cheech and Chong schtick that is repeated by people today who have ingested cannabis in their college days (Obama) most likely only a few times then dropped it. I know many functional cannabinaholics that do not say "dude" and do not forget what they were going to say and do not ravage the Cheetos bag, who lead productive lives professionally and personally.
many who do, I know many more who don't
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
and more yes!
What are your credentials Mr. or Mrs. job candidate?
I can run circles around VegasRage, besides he doesn't know what he is talking about.
Interviewer: Your hired. Vegas your fired.
being on the receiving end of people who make decisions stoned on booze or stoned on weed.
Being on the receiving end of a drunk decision means you may also be on the receiving end of a punch in the face or vomit on your shoes.
But being on the recieving end of decision by someone stoned is pretty bad too if they zone out. You might not get a decision out of them at all... unless it involves smoking more pot.
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
Well see these people are not stoners, just idiots. They come in all shapes and sizes. Some people let food own their lives like that too, should we make Dorito's illegal?
They are vile crimes in a bag HAHAHHA
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
From someone who gave up drinking just over four years ago, and still occasionally drops in at the pub to talk hockey/football/baseball with the old buddies, I notice that drunken conversations loop every hour and a half or so. A lot more drunks tend to get surly than do stoners, too.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
man boobs like you do with pot. Now I'm to the store to get my Playtex Under-wire support bra size 48 DD cup. LMAO!
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
You ever compare calories in a joint with those in a beer or a shot?
I could take a couple of hits off the old glassy and take walks for hours. Not so when I was drinking Bemish, MGD or, especially, Frankenmuth Dark. 12-16 ounces of any of those would be like swallowing an anchor!
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
there is evidence showing Tetrahydrocannabinol causes gynecomastia in men.
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
n/t
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
showing this, here is one you can view. I didn't bother noting the percentages but I'm sure the clinical abstract in my link will give it to you.
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/pdf_extract/195...
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
The article you linked to directly contradicts your assertion. Did you even bother to read it?
that studies have shown that delta 9 thc can lead to gynecomastia (moobs). But that it is not from it being estrogenic. Which is what most of the studies assumed.
It states that is not estrogenic but it managed to demasculinize the male rats anyways. THC inducing gynecomastia reports all over the Internet.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Tetrahyd...
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
I might as well correct you VegasRage. It doesn't state that it demasculinized rats, it states other studies have shown it. From what I read of it(since I don't have an account) it seems they only tested female rats to see if it was estrogenic.
down to the chart, they did test male rates and it did demasculinize them.
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
I read
"Prior to the report submitted by Solomon, et al, our laboratory reported that cannabis (in high doses) demasculinizes male rats but is not estrogenic."
But there is no link to the actual data from any experiment on male rats or any reference to a study of male rats other than that sentence.
All these never-ending health concerns, of every kind, I just ignore. Lead a balanced life and you'll be just fine.
You might also consider, any biology texts you may have used may not have presented a balanced view on marijuana as it was officially taboo.
far left loon >.<
:P
me-oww!
I think you have Reefer Madness.
On a job hunt for a few months now.
What I have is much more akin to Space Madness.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
That was directed at VegasRage. Every time there's a post that mentions marijuana, VegasRage tries to hijack the thread with his goofy, "Assassin Of Youth!" propaganda from the 1930s. Apparently nobody told him/her that the Hearst Corporation is defunct.
to hit my every post? Poor dear.
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
Now you're plagiarizing my taunts. Honey, you're not nearly queer enough to be parroting my fabulousness.
Anyway, it's cracking me up how oblivious you are - self-awareness is not your strong point, doll.
I agree, glad somebody is watching you, keeping your lies in check.
At one point or another (Heh I got my degree from San Francisco State, what did you expect?). You're better off dealing with someone who's stoned on weed than piss drunk. When you're stoned you can still function, you won't be crisp but you can still function. Compared to someone who's piss drunk and either belligerent and trying to start a fight with anyone, or horny and trying to have sex with anyone.
I'll tell you this though, the stoner is less likely to commit acts of violence than a drunk person. If they just got done smoking some "bomb-ass shit" good luck getting them off the couch. Can't say the same thing of someone who dove head first into a bottle of Thunderbird.
drugs should be legalized, but not because they will help the economy
the drug war is a lost cause...its a health issue, not a criminal one
and you cant support some drugs (nicotene, caffeine,alcohol) and then turn around and say that others are bad
now ending the drug war will save us money, take much of the corruption that occurs on police forces away, and allow law enforcement to go after the real criminals
there is one problem...and that is regulating the crop
thanks to criminalization, the pot market is all underground
once legalized, will those who sell without a license be treated like moonshiners?
oh, and while we are legalizing pot, can we also legalize prostitution?
for both
imagine creating a huge population of dope-tards unable to care for themselves. we already have a big enough population of these now. we need more?? as if the legalization of marijuana would make life better. only a dope would think so.
i sure as hell dont
and who says those that smoke pot cant take care of themselves?
you have been watching too many cheech and chong movies
Check the facts, not the strawman argument perpetuated by a 60 + year government hoax.
Pot is far less damaging than alcohol (which is legal) and frankly everyone who wants to get stoned IS getting stoned so your argument doesn't really cut it.
I don't think that smoking pot is less dangerous than drinking, because of the lung cancer and leukemia risk. While smoking is the most enjoyable method, it is not the way to go.
Now, if the weed is eaten, it is probably many magnitudes safer than alcohol.
Now, while I don't personally consume any drugs, this is what a little bird tells me how it's done. Clean the weed, eliminate sticks and seed, because you don't want to chew on these. Then, very important, soak it in oil for at least a half an hour, such as canola. THC is oil soluble, so this step is essential, otherwise, the method doesn't work. Then, bake it into brownies or cookies and enjoy.
Once again, I can't emphasize enough, don't smoke, anything. Don't kid yourself that you're doing something healthy if the method of ingestion is smoking. In my day, I seen enough clogged pipes to know what winds up in your lungs.
Hee man where's my white russian?
Bite my shiny metal ass.
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When you start to talk about the abuse of drugs, and the social costs, you better know some pharmacology, to discuss that aspect better.
Right now, I'm thinking about the costs, from incarceration to the so-called "war" on drugs.
I see, first-hand, the damages caused by drunken individuals and coke or meth strung out juveniles. The lies about which drug
is "the gateway" drug abound.
The medical uses, as another matter, are unassailable. Civilization's pharmacopeia goes back thousands of years.
About 9/10 years ago i smoked 4 a 5 joints a day. One day i got enough of smoking pot every day and i just stopped with it with no problem at all. No craving what so ever. I can smoke a joint right now and do not care about it tomorrow. hell, i tried to stop smoking tobacco several times.....and i still smoke! Addictive crap!
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There is no dope in Korea. It sucks.
When I go to Thailand, I smoke my brains out. When I come home it's stone-cold-sober-reality. That's just the way it is. But I do just fine. No addictive properties.
far left loon >.<
is enough to kill ya'! Poisons that the body craves are physiological addictions. Nicotine, opiates, amphetamines and alcohol all fit that category.
Pot is merely a psychological addiction.
That's what I meant. Thanks for clarifying.
Yes, I wish I had some (oh boy), but there is no withdrawal. I actually went for a period where didn't smoke for years, but I do like it to be avavailable.
far left loon >.<
True, i can without dope, but when out of tobacco or zigzag paper i almost get mental. Well, not really mental but at least......fucking nuts :p
Ooh, al this talk about pot, i like me some :)
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the LD50 for intravenous thc for rats it would take about 1.9 grams to kill a 150lb human, which is over a drop but not all that much, using monkeys its about 6 grams. But that is using pure delta 9 thc intravenously. Inhalation works out to be about 28.5 grams, which would be about 190 grams of 15% thc weed. So a bit over 6 oz. assuming none of the thc was lost in the smoke or through lack up uptake in the lungs or lack of binding to the lipid receptors. In one sitting. Oh there has never been a recorded fatality from oding on weed. So Pot can kill you from overdose but its damn near impossible unless your mainlining pure THC. But then again its not as hard with tobacco but its not very common to have someone OD on nicotine either, when is the last time you heard of someone doing so?
Oh and pot is not addicting psychologically. The proper term is habituating. As in its mentally habit forming. Addiction refers to a physical not a mental dependence so using the term "psychological addiction" is wrong and misleading.
Actually, there have been a few nicotine overdoses in the last several years, including one in Canada (last year? I'll have to dig up that article).
As Ayahuasca use has risen in North America, people have been trying to recreate traditional Amazon recipes, many of which include a bit of raw tobacco, like nicotiana rustica. The smart Ayahuasceros simply blow tobacco smoke over their brew in a ritual fashion, but there have been a few foolish enough to throw a handful of tobacco in the mix.
Apart from that, most nicotine-related deaths & illnesses come from small children (and pets), eating things like cessation lozenges & gums.
It is completely idiotic to lump weed in with the more hard core drugs. I've had to restrain people who were drunk or on something like coke. Never had to do that with a pothead. I've heard first hand accounts from friends who've seen meth addicts suddenly getting violent. I've yet to see someone who's smoked some really good weed get violent.
Started smoking when I was 15. Had a job all my life. University educated. I don't drink. No criminal record, or trouble with the law. Am I one of these dope-tards you speak of?
far left loon >.<
You are now c&l's official dopetard ;)
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... you would be on the streets selling your body for pot, right about now.
:-)
I haven't used it continually since then. That's when I started. I still like it, and if you pass a lit one my way... As you can see, I am not an addict, nor has it been downhill all the way. Just like someone who drinks socially, there isn't much harm.
far left loon >.<
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3VbSfQ3nAM&fe...
Fascinating. You actually believe it's as bad as those who have never used it say it is.
Let's see how far to the right they go before they fall off of the edge of this flat world.
would certainly benefit from the occasional joint now and then. Alas...
I used to smoke a lot of weed back when I was younger, didn't stop me from getting a Bachelors of Arts, nor did it stop me from getting into grad school.
Secondly, I don't think legalizing it will "create a huge population of dope-tards." Weed is so easy to get that if someone isn't smoking it by the time they hit their late teens, they're not likely going to start. Booze is legal but not everyone is a drunk. Tobacco is legal but smoking that has been on the decline.
weed a prerequisite of getting a B.A?
I know a few dope-tards, and to be honest, they were already lazy and stupid before they started smoking. Adding weed didn't improve their potential any, but it's wasn't the cause of their problems.
The majority of people that would be interested in smoking on any kind of regular basis already do - it's pretty unlikely that the population at large would suddenly decide to spend their lives stoned.
ps, the comments by Sam from Orlando and Guy from Atlanta ... LOL!
pps, I love Jack Cafferty.
But i like to smoke some pot from time to time :D But now it's beer time. Cheers C&L!
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There are estimates that the United States governments(local through federal) spends roughly $125 billion a year on the failed "war on drugs". Now, replace those costs with revenues from legalization, regulation and taxation of marijuana and many state deficits would be wiped out. Education would not be on the chopping block and social services wouldn't need to be closed.
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but you think the people living off the public tit that is the war on drugs ($100+ billion industry a year) will go down sans a fight. The only reason why we have a war on Drugs is because it is the best thing ever to happen to most sheriff depts, correctional facilities, and the associated industries in the nation.
The irony of it all is that most police departments in the nation are literally hooked on the funding they can request for their "war on drugs." Addiction has many venues, not just drugs... ain't that a bitch?
While few cops would actually admit it, it would be a huge relief not to deal with pot. And doing away with enforcement of pot laws wouldn't do much, if anything, to slow down the court system.
Law enforcement money and efforts wouldn't be cut, they'd be diverted to areas that need it. The court system is so overloaded, cutting dope prosecutions would simply make it move faster by cutting the load.
There wouldn't be less money or fewer people than there are now - it would just be used elsewhere.
When Canada was considering legalizing pot (whith stern warnings from the US amabassador-- threats even) the Chief of Police for the City of Toronto, put an open letter in the newspaper saying, while this legislation is pending, we're not going to charge ANYONE for posession CUZ it's too damn much paperwork, and we have other things to do.
Then we got evil Harper and he nixed the deal. It will be back, and it will pass. Count on it.
far left loon >.<
There would be $1.3B in tax revenue, sure. But as has been pointed out here, there would also be tens of billions of dollars saved. So actually, it would be VERY good for California's economy. You have to weigh all the factors, see.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
I think of the terminal stage chirrosis patients that I cared for in the ICU.
They would be tied to their beds so that the couldn't remove the Blakemore tube
which was inserted through the esophagus and inflated to prevent bleeding out through their esophageal varices.
As a result of alchohol.
Why stop them from removing the tube? Would removing the tube hasten death? Did any ever recover? Just wondering.....
Its also about saving money being spent on task forces that could be used elsewhere (like the more destructive drugs like heroin and cocaine). Its also about saving money on prisons that are holding people on possession charges. Its also saving money by reducing the number of dealers.
Don't legalize. De-criminilize but only up to 50 lbs. Everything between 1-50 lbs would be subject to a fine of $500 per lb. Anything over that amount would result in criminal charges. That way, it keeps the big tobbacco companies and other corporations out of the industry. The last thing anyone wants is for weed to end up like tobbacco.
I do worry about corporations taking it over. I like the (Canadian) distribution system just the way it is now. Choose your flavour, someone drops it off at your house.
De-criminalizing has a lot of merit. Also the right to grow your own. Homegrown's alright with me. Homegrown's the way it should be. :-)
But as they're framing it around money (like everything else)...
far left loon >.<
I hereby award you five stars for the Neil Young quote.
Yes, I know C&L doesn't do ratings, but I don't care. Any favourable mention of Neil Young deserves some sort of reward.
I hate that the issue is being framed around money, but it isn't exactly a shock - money is king in America (gad, I miss Canada sometimes). I'm not even much of a fan of the medical argument, only because it still doesn't address the real issue - personal liberty. That said, if it requires the addition of financial pressure to get to legalization, then so be it.
Don't be denied!
I would agree that any individual in the state of California should be allowed to grow 5 pounds of weighable BUD/year non-taxable and do as they choose with it. Smoke it, cook with it, decorate with it, make greeting cards with it etc. with no problem. Treat it the same as you would any other medicinal herb. It's just another plant in the garden.
For those companies who choose to grow it and make joints from it and sell/market it through the state for a profit, then it could be taxed.
But marijuana should NEVER be regulated through any government agency as tobacco is, because that would disallow individuals to grow. Any person in the state of California who loves to garden should be free to grow a certain allotment tax free regardless of the companies who may want to sell it and be taxed.
There will always be that certain group of individuals who will choose to walk into a liquor store and pick up a quarter oz. for $140 (that includes a $20 tax to Cali), compared to those who choose to "grow their own".
I'm into the whole organic scene personally, so, even though I don't imbibe, if I had my druthers I'd prefer to grow my own.
Just to kick back in August/September and watch the hummingbirds come and go from the buds is worth the effort at doing a beautiful outside garden....especially in So. Cal.
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Just like people can make their own beer and wine. I agree. Growing it should be allowed. In the Netherlands, it's 3 plants per person. I could live with that.
far left loon >.<
$140 for a quarter?!?!? A, ahem, cough cough, friend of a friend told me it's close to half that for California bud where they live.
Just sayin'...
And give it away to your friends.
It'll come back to you ten fold.
It has no monetary worth.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
I live a half block away from a school and the popo - growing my own is not an option.
Even in my (relatively) liberal state, committing a drug-related offense within spittin' distance of a school is a big no-no.
Don't worry, though - I still share freely. :)
Find a spot.
It's nice to have ample water. Keeps the rats down.
Preferably on the south side of a big hill. Look for a spring.
The harder it is for you to find the better. The harder it is for anyone else to find .
I used to tunnel through poison oak. For about 50 to 100 yards.
First thing you have to do is find water. Something like a spring or a small creek. follow it to it's source.
Oh,btw, I used to be allergic to poison oak. Not so much now.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
...I lived in Vermont. I may have ran across a person or two who might have known something about what you're talking about, wink, wink.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plainfield,_Vermont
It's like riding a bicycle.
I studied the plant for 12 years.
Did you know that cannabis is the only plant on the face of the earth with a dna.
What is it for humans. XX/XY and XX/? I can't remember the other one.
But I know that M plants have the genetic make up of both males and females. Individually of course..
What is your conceptual, continuity?
If you have the card. You can legally grow your own now. In Monterey Co, you are legally entitled to grow 6 plants.
I can do alot with 6 plants.
But nowadays, I'm over it.
But I still like lending a helping hand.
You know everything is ok when people show you theirs and ask you how to fix them.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
I have no idea on your growing ability, but during your studies you have been seriously misinformed, all plants have DNA, ALL living organisms have DNA. At least all known lifeforms. From a single cell amoeba to humans to a giant redwood.
What I think you are referring to is plants that have only one sex per plant(dioecious)compared to hermaphroditic plants. Which while (much?) rarer than hermaphroditic plants is not restricted only to the cannabis family.
And for humans a XX chromosome is female and a XY is male. And there is a third combination a rare mutation that results in a XXY.
You're right.
That's what I was trying to remember.
It's been over ten years since I looked at that stuff
It's their chromosomes.
thankin you.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
My friends in high school, grew it right in the centre of a Province of Ontario highway cloverleaf. No one ever went in there, as it was all bushes. They just cleared a spot in the centre and planted, right under everyone's noses. Brilliant!!
far left loon >.<
I grew up in southern Saskatchewan. Walking around in the fields as kids we would CONSTANTLY see small patches of home-grown & ditch weed everywhere. We'd just giggle & guffaw, then keep going.
Luckily, by the time I knew better, I'd also learned that it's bad form to pinch somebody else's grow, otherwise I might have ended up with birdshot in my butt. :)
One day I went out there to find bulldozers had scraped the field. go figure.
Another one I did , they cut a road right next to it. And put up a security guard shack.
The harder it is to find the better.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
You sound an awful lot like a guy who likes to smoke pot, stroke his beard & listen to himself talk.
I'm sorry. I was listening to my self again.
Last time I took a puff was on Xmas day.
And all I took was one puff. I'm down to about 2/3 puffs a years now. I'm just not to interested in it. People give me little nuggets. I give most of it away.
I really don't burn too much anymore.
I like fine wines now.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
Nowadays.
It's actually a buzz being clear headed.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
I know someone who knows someone who can get ragweed for $70/half.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
I can get ragweed for free - it grows all over the place in the Spring here. I woke up sneezing this morning, as a matter of fact. D@mn allergies. :)
...smartass! ;P
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
The smartass is usually me, yes. I'll cop to that - just don't bogart that ragweed, man.
I'd better be comatose after a hit or two. And believe me, that Holy Grail does not exist.
me-oww!
...the gift from beyond the grave? 'Cause I've heard this story about a forgotten brownie re-discovered in the back of the freezer....
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
That's one of my favorites. Right there with my friends who almost decided to smuggle weed into Mexico.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
That one is my fave.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
I forgot. my mom sure could bake.
me-oww!
grass, gas , or ass no body gets a free ride! hop in !
You're always welcome to hit the spliff, but gas or ass? No offense, but no way Tyree!
That's an oldie and goodie tyree (used in my day). Maybe some don't know it.
far left loon >.<
Heh, I know the phrase. It's right up there with, "If the van's rockin', don't come knockin'!" or Mr. Natural & Keep On Truckin'.
Not that I was hopping into strangers' cars in the 1970s, mind you. I was a little too young for that.
I wasn't. Hitch hiking was my only form of transportation. God I miss those days. Two of my sisters hitch hiked from Ontario to Californai, via British Columbia. Quite a lengthy trip. No one would do that now!!
far left loon >.<
If I were still in Canada, I'd hitchhike across Canada. Heck, I'd ride the rails if I didn't think I'd get busted or fall off a freight car and lose a leg under the wheels. :)
I would never think to hitchhike here. It's probably foolish of me, but I just didn't have the same sort of nervousness around strangers in Canada that I do here in the States.
i was surprised and pleased to see ahnuld's comments this week. it's going to take someone like him to get the decades overdue public debate on this issue. and if i wasn't so lazy, i've been thinking about how to argue the point about legalization: watch any of these friggin drug ads on cable and listen for the possible side effects -- stroke, diarrhea, dizziness, an urge for nighttime driving; then compare that to spoking pot -- the gravest threat would be eating that entire pint of haagen daz. it's amazing how little disgust there is with that endless onslaught of conditions/medications/possible reactions.
They should decriminalize ALL drug use. Laws against their use have never and will never work. We have had people abusing drugs since fire was discovered. We have laws that currently outlaw pot, coke, heroin, meth, etc. etc. etc. I bet every single person that reads this could drive 30 minutes from home and buy ANY drug they wanted, virtualy risk free.
Sounds good to me. It's not a criminal thing unless you break the law (stealing, killing, etc.)
far left loon >.<
I sometimes just want to strangle some of these wacko, lying Konservatives, then I smoke some bud, and suddenly
I can let it go and live
with them in peace.
So...
Take away my bud and I'm ready for revolution!!
The lawyers throughout this country, big towns,small towns and in between make a fortune off some kid caught with a blunt in his car. Legalize pot and these poor guys will be out on the Walmart entrance ramp with hat in hand. Then again that's an extra reason to legalize it.
california is sinking like a rock with its debt.
most of the debt load is caused by insane pension plans which are eating up most of the money, along with gov't unions.
jail costs alone now exceed over 35% of the calif. budget.
no politician will ever take on the gov't unions.
just tell the gov't unions--no money exists for pensions and they will legalize weed in a week.
calif prop 1a--the fraud
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1xD6my_ycs
Having a criminal record bars many paths in life. Weed is not criminal.
far left loon >.<
We need to legalize marijuana because it criminalizes too large a segment of the American public. Massachusetts has now decriminalized simple possession.
As far as cocaine and heroin are concerned, once a person is addicted, there is an alteration in body chemistry, and becomes a medical problem. Since there is no good approaches for eliminating the addiction, an already addicted person should be able to get their drug through prescription, perhaps at a dosing center. This would end the cash flow to the drug cartels, and end the drug wars. It also eliminates the incentive to addict new users, because once addicted, the user is off to see the doctor - no recurring cash flow.
Once an effect of a particular policy is known, the continuation of such a policy is a desire to produce the known effect. So, in yet another example of government corruption, it can be said that the current policy is designed to provide incentives to addict new users, and maximize profits to the drug cartels. The known side effects are gun violence among gang members, and property crimes and robberies to finance drug purchases. Your government at work.
For a FRACTION of the amount used in drug interdiction efforts in Afghanistan over the last 8 years, we could have bought the opium and used it medicinally in hospitals across the US.
But we blow hundreds of billions of taxpayers dollars on nothing, except maybe a few dozen murders of innocent civilians.
Can you say DUMB in the USA? And that is just Afghanistan in the last eight years. If you examine our domestic drug policy, you would be spending most of your time looking for a word that makes UTTER FAILURE look like a compliment.
They mean to balance the budget on the back of the pot dealer? That's class warfare.
...I love that little dude.
all our currency says, "IN GOD WE TRUST", yet one of the most useful plants given to us is "illegal". guess we don't trust god all that much after all....
We might not even be here if it wasn't for cannabis. Cannabis and flax were the only fibers strong enough to make all the ropes and sails that carried people across the oceans.
"...'escuze me while I light my spliff"
Now that I think about it. I suppose there wasn't anything at the time that was strong enough.
What else would they have made the sails out of?
I don't think it was cotton.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
The parachute that saved George H.W. Bush's behind in WW2 was made partly out of hemp cloth. Silk was a luxury item at the best of times, but once we went to war with Japan, there wasn't much to go around.
The U.S. Government actively encouraged farmers to grow hemp for use in all sorts of ways to make up for shortages - sail cloth, uniforms, parachutes, machine lubricants, animal fodder, etc. Hence the slogan, "Hemp For Victory!"
The documentary, "Grass," narrated by Woody Harrelson, is free to watch on Google - it's an excellent film:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5024...
Heck Hemp was a strategic crop during WWII, it was among other things... vital for rope production.
The "official" Constitution and the Bill of Rights along with the Declaration of Independence is written on parchment(treated animal skin) But hemp paper was quite possibly used in the rough drafts.
http://www.usconstitution.net/constfaq_a8.html
Q 145
Hemp For Victory?
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
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