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Jon Stewart Takes Down Fox's Coverage of the VP Debate

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After first asking "Who are you and what have you done with Crazy Joe Biden?" after showing Biden fact checking Paul Ryan's lies during the vice presidential debate "in real time," Jon Stewart did a fantastic job of going after Fox and the right wing pundits who attacked Biden for his debate performance.

After showing some of "doctor" Keith Ablow on Fox, saying that Biden should be examined for dementia, Stewart wrapped things up with this:

STEWART: Yes, yes... that rare form of dementia, where you remember too much. By the way, this knuckle head, Keith Ablow, is on Fox's medical A-Team. A little known fact -- medical B-Team, is a chimp with a screwdriver.

So to sum up Fox's post-debate coverage: Joe Biden was an angry, demented, abusive, drunk old crazy person -- who mopped the floor with our guy.

Amen to that brother. When the best they can come up with is that Biden was mean to Paul Ryan or the moderator, or resorting to calling him crazy, they know they lost.



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A senior adviser to Mitt Romney on Sunday said that every woman she had talked to was turned off by Vice President Joe Biden's debate performance because it was "awful and obnoxious."

During a panel segment on Face the Nation, Bay Buchanan extended a recent conservative line of attack that attempts to paint Biden as a sexist-type personality because he was aggressive and interrupted Republican vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan.

"That's where the vice president really hurt his ticket," Buchanan explained. "Because as women looked at that debate, there's nothing that is more offensive to us than to see a man just constantly interrupt and be offensive and boorish in his behavior and have no respect for somebody who's trying to have a legitimate debate."

She continued: "I haven't talked to a woman who's looked at that debate and not just responded and said that was just awful and obnoxious."

"Bay, I actually talked to a lot women who didn't have that reaction, including my mom," Mother Jones Washington bureau chief David Corn interrupted. "So, let's not be over the top. You're drawing out what you want to draw out to make your point."

"I talked to a lot of women who are apolitical," Buchanan insisted. "I just know that women do not like that."

Conservative Fox News host Andrea Tantaros made a similar point in her debate analysis on Friday.

"You know the guy that puts his finger in your face, the guy that sort of dresses you down, who knows more than you do -- hey, honey, go make some coffee," Tantaros said. "That's how I took it. You know what I thought? If he's gonna behave that way in public with millions of people watching, how does he behave in private?"



SNL Spoofs the VP Debate

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SNL opened up their show with, what else, but a spoof of the vice presidential debate from this week-- with Jason Sudekis (Biden) squaring off against Taran Killam (Ryan), complete with all the snarky facial expressions, constant laughing by Biden, lots of water gulping by Ryan and a moderator, Kate McKinnon (Raddatz) who wasn't going to put up with the same treatment Jim Lehrer received during the first presidential debate.



Chris Hayes Story of the Week: The Beauty of Process

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From this Saturday's Up With Chris Hayes, his Story of the Week is a good reminder for anyone who is not thrilled with a lot of the ugliness of our democratic process, or frustrated with dealing with the United Nations -- it sure beats the alternative.

Hayes: The beauty of process:

ABC's Martha Raddatz did, I thought, on the whole, a pretty good job moderating Thursday night's vice presidential debate, particularly when asking questions on her area of expertise, foreign policy. But her final question of the night, about the negativity and sordidness of electoral politics, really bothered me.

Here's what she asked:

I recently spoke to a highly decorated soldier who said that this presidential campaign has left him dismayed. He told me, quote, "the ads are so negative and they are all tearing down each other rather than building up the country." What would you say to that American hero about this campaign? And at the end of the day, are you ever embarrassed by the tone?

That soldier, of course, isn't alone: Lots of Americans feel the same way. I've heard the same thing from random voters I've interviewed in every campaign I've covered. And it's a recurring theme among the political press paid to cover politics to bemoan the nastiness and negativity of the thrust and parry of electoral politics. But it's an impulse we should collectively resist, because it contains the kernel of an insidious view of the value of democracy and diplomacy and bureaucracy and the manifold ways that we as human beings channel and resolve conflict in a non-violent fashion.

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Ah yes... what would the Fox freakout over how the vice presidential debate went without Caribou Barbie being asked to weigh in by her fellow bomb-thrower, Sean Hannity. Here they are following the debate on Fox Thursday night, opining about mean old Joe Biden picking on their boy Ryan.

And naturally Hannity thinks the biggest news to come out of the debate is... Biden's facial expressions. Yep, that's what's important. Forget Ryan's lies. The real scandal is that Biden reacted to them.

PALIN: Well, I believe that Joe Biden was sent in as the attack dog in this debate to compensate for President Obama's atrocious showing in his own debate where he was aloof and arrogant and disconnected and really disengaged with what is very important to the American voter.

That was the representation of Obama in his own debate last week. So I believe that Joe Biden was sent in to try to compensate for that, but really tough format, Sean, for someone like Paul Ryan or anyone else up against Joe Biden when the moderator allowed one candidate to absolutely run rough shot over the conversation over the opponent.

That's a tough format. It reminded me I just told Neil Cavuto of watching a musk ox run across the tundra with somebody underfoot and in this case when it came to style it was Paul Ryan underfoot because of the moderator allowing Biden to do the interrupting, to kind of take control of the conversation. [...]

HANNITY: Well, all I can say is I can't wait to get back to our studio tomorrow night and montage Joe Biden and his facial expressions all throughout the debate.

I think that'll be a big story by the time we get back. There is was instant poll I saw that had Ryan ahead. Every focus group I'm hearing from did not like the tone, the condescension, the arrogance, and the interruption of the vice president.

So we're going to watch very closely. Governor Palin, great to see you as always. Thank you so much for being with us.

PALIN: Thank you, Sean. Let me remind you one thing too though. The truth told can't be all lies when can invent. When Joe Biden told some truths about death panels, but he told it out of context with an intention to skew what the true meaning and the truth behind the policy issues are. That's as bad as actually telling a lie so just keep that in mind when you talk about the verbiage that Joe Biden chose to use tonight.

h/t Dave