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Conservative host Glenn Beck and "historian" David Barton on Tuesday debuted a new show called "Foundations of Freedom" and suggested that history proved that school shootings could be prevented if all elementary school children were armed.

After pointing out that some areas of the United States required every household to own a gun in the late 1800s, Beck told Barton that "everybody grew up with a gun" and it was "part of school."

Barton noted that guns were only fired in schools at the time to stop criminal activity.

"The great example, in the 1850s you have a school teacher who's teaching," the historian explained. "A guy, he's out in the West, this guy from New England wants to kill him and find him. So, he comes into the school with his gun to shoot the teacher, he decides not to shoot the teacher because all the kids pull their guns out and point it at him and say, 'You kill the teacher, you die.' He says, 'Okay.' The teacher lives. Real simple stuff."

Barton added: "There was no shooting because all the kids -- we're talking in elementary school -- all the kids pull their guns out and says, 'We like our teacher, you shoot our teacher, we'll kill you.'"

"Kids did not shoot each other," Beck insisted.

"No, no," Barton agreed. "Two accidents I have seen in 200 years of everybody having guns. It just didn't happen."

Barton's book, “The Jefferson Lies," was pulled from stores by his publisher last year after it was criticized for grossly misrepresenting President Thomas Jefferson.

(h/t: Right Wing Watch)



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Bill O'Reilly caught a really bad case of selective amnesia on his show this Monday night, when he pretended he didn't have any idea that his fellow host at Fox had gone on the air, not once, but at least three times, blaming the shooting at the elementary school in Newtown, CT on the "removal of god" from our schools.

Bill-O had his regular guest, flame thrower Bernard Goldberg on and the two of them were very quick to attack MSNBC's Andrea Mitchell for supposedly politicizing the shooting because she dared to talk about the fact that maybe we should have some reasonable gun laws in the United States. But when Goldberg actually criticized Fox for doing the same thing and politicizing the attack to suit an agenda, and without calling out Huckabee by name, slammed him for his remarks about school prayer, O'Reilly decided to act like he didn't have a clue as to what Goldberg was talking about.

If O'Reilly needs a refresher as to Huckabee's remarks, someone can tell him to go watch what he said here and here. As much as O'Reilly hates but follows Media Matters, who have had this on their front page for days now, I don't think there's a chance in hell he didn't know about what HuckaJesus said.

Here's your "fair and balanced" discussion on Fox. Goldberg with false equivalencies and Bill-O pretending he doesn't know about the hackery from the religious wingnut on his own network.

And if anyone needed any more proof that Huckabee is a blathering idiot, go read this article from this past April: Gunman Kills 7 in a Rampage at a Northern California University.



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After watching the better part of a couple of days of coverage on this tragic school shooting at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in CT, I was glad to see at least one show on television where there was a discussion about the fact that what happened there, and the trauma that those children and their families are going through right now, is an all but too common occurrence which is sadly all too familiar to Americans living in our inner cities across the country.

Whether it's Chicago, or New Orleans or the other big cities across the country facing high crime rates, far too often the violence has been glossed over and ignored to the point by our national media, that it's just considered acceptable or something we're expected to live with.

As Melissa noted, to date Chicago has suffered at least 425 gun-related homicides in 2012 as of Dec. 14. The Huffington Post has more on that story here: Chicago Homicides Reach 400 This Year, City Turns To Twitter For Ideas To End Violence. And 117 of those victims this year alone were under the age of 21.

And in her home town of New Orleans, we've had 174 murders, most of which are gunshot deaths and in Los Angeles, there have been 512 homicides recorded for the year, and 75 percent of those deaths resulted from gunshot wounds.

HARRIS-PERRY: These are the gun related homicides that get treated as routine -- tragic, but expected. And yet, they need to be included when we talk about Newtown, CT, because their victims are just as real.

The Nation's Ari Melber followed with this:

MELBER: So while we understand exactly how terrible this is and why the story of it and the way it happened is so dramatic and we're rushing to it and the President's speaking to it, it's also true as a policy matter that if 27 people dying is something that connotes the President's attention or our attention and action, well then every day is this day, as you were saying and all around the country.

As Michael Eric Dyson noted, President Obama did bring up those in Chicago during his statement following this most recent shooting and made this important point:

DYSON: The reality is, we've become accustomed to believing that little black and brown kids and poor white kids in various spots across our landscape are doomed to this kind of violence by this... we are surprised it happened here. It's not supposed to happen here.

Which means by implication, that it's supposed to happen there, in Detroit, or Oakland, or California, in LA and the like. And I think that's the tragedy here.

As Harris-Perry rightfully noted a bit later in the segment, she just wants the same level of outrage when you're seeing these kids in our inner cities having their childhoods taken away from them with the violence that they are growing up around as a part of their daily lives as we've seen from these mass shootings that garner so much national attention in the media.

I hope if there is an ounce of good that comes out of this shooting, it's that conversations like this one are more common where we're talking about what we can do to put a stop to gun violence along with a host of other topics that are all interwoven with the same subject and those are not just gun control and gun violence, but mental health, providing adequate health care for all of our citizens, education, poverty, our social safety nets and just what kind of country we're allowing way too many of our children to grow up in.



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Leave it to Fox's Mike Huckabee to use this tragic shooting in Connecticut to blame those who would like to maintain the separation of church and state as somehow being responsible for the actions of this shooter. Here he is on Cavuto's show on Fox, first pushing the NRA's talking points that there aren't any laws that could be passed to prevent something like this from happening, and then this hackery:

Huckabee: Schools "Become A Place Of Carnage" When "We Systematically Remove God":

HUCKABEE: Ultimately, you can take away every gun in America and somebody will use a bomb. When somebody has an intent to do incredible damage, they’re going to find a way to do it… People will want to pass new laws, but unless you change people’s hearts, they’re our transition to the pastor side. This is a heart issue, it’s not something, laws don’t change this kind of thing.

CAVUTO: You know, invariably, people ask after tragedies like this, "How could God let this happen?"

HUCKABEE: Well, you know, it's an interesting thing. We ask why there is violence in our schools but we have systematically removed God from our schools. Should we be so surprised that schools would become a place of carnage? Because we've made it a place where we don't want to talk about eternity, life, what responsibility means, accountability -- that we're not just going to have be accountable to the police if they catch us, but one day we stand before, you know, a holy God in judgment. If we don't believe that, then we don't fear that. And so I sometimes, when people say, why did God let it happen. You know, God wasn't armed. He didn't go to the school. But God will be there in the form of a lot people with hugs and with therapy and a whole lot of ways in which I think he will be involved in the aftermath. Maybe we ought to let him in on the front end and we wouldn't have to call him to show up when it's all said and done at the back end.