Rep. Shea-Porter: Send Men Home And Congress Will Pass Health Care
Democrat Carol Shea-Porter of New Hampshire made the observation at a town hall event in Manchester last Saturday. Apparently such self-evident truths as 'the women folk' being more attuned to health care issues is throwing the conservative blogosphere into conniptions, as the little clip has gone viral.
John Amato:
The male species of the GOP are so sensitive:
U.S. Rep. Carol Shea-Porter, D-N.H., is coming under fire from political rivals for some things she said at a town hall meeting in Manchester on Saturday. Shea-Porter's office said she was trying to use some humor when she said some women in Congress believe the men are holding up health care reform. But not everyone is laughing."We go to the ladies room, the Republican women and the Democratic women, and we just roll our eyes at what's being said out there," Shea-Porter said. "And the Republican women said when we were fighting over the health care bill, 'If we sent the men home, we could get this done this weekend.'"The line was followed by laughter from the crowd, and Shea-Porter's office said the comments were meant to be tongue-in-cheek.
But it hasn't taken long for the male Republican candidates vying for her seat in November to go on the offensive Frank Guinta called the remarks inappropriate."She's got to be focusing on solving the problems that our nation is facing, and the reality is she's still supporting a health care plan that New Hampshire and the country opposes," Guinta said.Candidate Bob Bestani referred to the comments as arrogant, particularly the part where she said, "Every single woman there has been responsible for taking care of her mother, her husband's mother, her children, her sister's children, her brother's children, and so we think we could find some common ground there.""She also implied there that men don't care about families, they don't take care of their families, that it has to be women who take care of their families -- I think that's wholly unfair," Bestani said.
And poor Flopping Aces is upset too. Why do they feel so threatened?
It's probably true.
far left loon >.<
I read this initially as "end the wars and we can afford universal healthcare" ...?
It's absolute truth now, given the infantile reaction of conservatives.
I know, infantile conservatives. But I repeat myself.
Hell, I think it's a great idea.
Potomac so we the people can start over without their help.
We could take our time, do it right, people would be working. . etc.
She is demonstrating that a Democrat has a pair and sounds as if she want to remove their sets?
She may be shaking their pear trees and causing the old fruit to fall?
"Folks, this is not your father's Republican Party."
Joe Biden
Dat tewwiboo wady is mean to me! I hate her! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
if she is called to 'apologize' for this comment,
her response should be this:
"I'm very sorry. I had no idea what a bunch of whiny crybabies the 'men' on the right side of the aisle were. But, since I have seen with my own eyes and heard with my own ears how incapable they are of taking a lighthearted joke, I apologize. I'm very sorry that they are such spoiled children in adult bodies."
"I'm sorry if my comment offended anyone."
me-oww!
That's the old Republican stand-by.
I just want her to take it one step further.
of yours, plus the Thug insult apology, like:
me-oww!
delicious... one-two punch!
"You know what? I am not sorry.
Furthermore, I am inviting every single woman in Congress to meet with me in a special session to see if we can iron out a healthcare reform bill that is simple, fair, assures quality care for every American from cradle to grave and that is affordable and NOT FOR PROFIT.
We'll ask C-SPAN to cover it and when we're finished we'll submit it to our colleagues on the other side of the, er...ummm....DNA pool? to ask that they might consider it and sign on with us."
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
enough to talk about a single payer system. There are those of us out there who still haven't given up the desire to have a single payer system.
going to run for some office some time?
The more I read, the more I think you should.
Excellent response, Abby.
"We will find fulfillment not in the goods that we have, but in the good we can do for each other."
Robert F. Kennedy
She's absolutely right! They know everything and no nothing!
and know nothing. Fixed it for ya.
if women were in charge, the world would be a much better place.
Only men could come up with bullets and nuclear bombs. Only men could come up with a system where the incredibly rich exist alongside the incredibly poor. Only men could come up with punishing a 13-year-old girl with 90 lashes for having a mobile phone.
It's no coincidence that our world sucks. And I'm saying this, as a man.
uh I don't buy that. LOL . . how bout just getting along and working together.
We seem to be mostly spinning our wheels getting nowhere.
Of course, they will have to make a deal with the devil aka Pat Robertson.
They get all the political power, the big bucks, and the corporate boards.
In return, they have to agree to be in a state of perpetual arousal, and males get to determine who gets it and when.
I think that is a fair trade.
I apologize, in advance, to the humorless.
as long as there are Palins and Bachmanns, the same problems we have now would be in place whether estrogen or testosterone sat on the thrones of power.
one time Democratic gubernatorial cnadidate in Texas and Chair of the National Women's Political Caucus whop said, and I paraphrase, "women will be equal in politcs when we have the same right to elect unqualified candidates and men have."
"Folks, this is not your father's Republican Party."
Joe Biden
Though it's oddly for that very specific reason... absent the testosterone, that It would be successful, not only successful but represent the ideologies
A rough count of the 111th Congress: Lists approximately 75 (D)Women and approximately 21 (R)Women... in a Democratic republic, who wins?
"Monday afternoon, a group of nine Republican congresswomen released a joint statement saying they disagree with what Shea-Porter said and that the conversation she referenced did not include them." Wow, that's about 1/2 of all of them... I do believe? Is that what they call (R)ighteous indignation ;)
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Study the symptoms not the virus...
any sense of humor and break from the dance of death helps in this day and age.
Good for Shea-Porter! That was amusing.
Frank Guinta is a spleeny wimp. What a big baby.
Men are a bunch of dicks. [Really, think about it ;) ]
far left loon >.<
And that's why women love them ;)
that somebody still has some love for the male human animal.
For the "immature" only:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bRs6KWDsc0&fe...
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
yeah, baby! Woo Hoo!
;)
to view that video... $;}
"Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of Stupidity" - Frank Leahy
So Frankie and his authoritarian control freaks are pissed off that Carol dare speak her mind? Get a clue you bastard, this isn't 1955 anymore and I don't think Carol will go back to the kitchen and be meek and subservient.
The reality is pal that cro magnon jerks like you are the primary roadblock in the way of world progress.
"We will find fulfillment not in the goods that we have, but in the good we can do for each other."
Robert F. Kennedy
Have any of them weighed in on this ?
Somehow I can't imagine Mam'selle Bachmann agreeing with Ms Shea-Porter ..
When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
and I'm a guy.
Behind most every healthy male, is a women paying the Dr and insurance bills, and pointing him in the correct direction for his job each day.
I in no way concur that men are that fricking dumb and that close to useless.
You've obviously never been married to one.
Totally agree. My wife and I seperated 3 months ago and I can't find my ass with either hand right now. It was amazing what she did for our family.
and go fishing. Of course, that is my advice for pretty much everything.
Seriously though, that was a nice sentiment. Next time you will be more appreciative.
Or you'll become a committed angler and bachelor like me.
You will find your ass when you find your pears.
Pear trees are land lubbers.
"Folks, this is not your father's Republican Party."
Joe Biden
fish oil is good for your pear.
the men are so oppressed! Way to play victim...oh wait, they're Republicans...it's what they do best...
It is not about playing a victim; it is about consistency and principles. Do you believe in gender generalizations or not? Do you believe that it is unfair to characterize because of their gender even if that person happens to be of the opposite gender?
Just pointing out that this whole discussion is based on the fairly insane assumption that passing "health care reform" will yield positive results.
There is indeed a huge problem with health care in this country, but the assumption that the government that gave you Bush and Obama, endless wars, debt that you can't even begin to fathom and generally a body of failures and crimes that is truly spectacular, is now magically going to give you a functional, ethically-run health care system, is among the most asinine assumptions you can make.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, Democrats, or progressives or whatever you people are, are as simplistic and poisonous to society as neocons. Both groups simply want to play team politics and force the rest of mankind into submission using government force. The idea that neither collection of fanatics has the moral right to use the government to control, extract money from, and threaten their neighbor, no matter how convinced progressives or neocons are that they're right, never even enters the discussion.
The purpose of Crooks and Liars is to keep small-minded individuals thinking in terms of the left vs. right garbage they've been trained to respond to.
Head for safe quarters and apply tin foil hats.
Freeper?
It's either the Road Runner with a head cold
Or a refugee from the Free Republic web site.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
tay
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHiZ15x6Vt4
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Truly a classic!
that comment to George Will in the previous post.
it's much simpler than that.
Tax folks a teensy bit more...in a progressive fashion of course...lower at the bottom, higher at the top....and everybody gets their health care paid for.
If that's poison, then you and I should both drink a cup.
I'm a vet, and I'd probably be dead if not for the VA system. And since I work, I do have to pay them a copay.
And were not advocating single-payer, but primarily expansion of either Medicare through HR 676 or a more vigorous public option, so that we actually have a choice whether or not to carry the insurer's plans, who due to the government Economy of Scale, and lower overhead, would be forced to cut back on their overcharging of premiums, deductibles and co-pays, or risk being pushed out of the system by the Smithian invisible hand of of the marketplace.
I suggest you actually study the subject, before offering an opinion.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
I support single payer. When a powerhouse country like Taiwan can do it and modeled their system for their ENTIRE population after our Medicare system, how frickin' hard can it be?
I meant to write we're not all advocating single payer.
Because that's what I essentially have through the VA, that's what I prefer, then HR676.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
This was a letter to the editor of my local paper. It seems apropos for you:
and I always find it beautiful.
Except teach your kids how to keep it zipped
And pray.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
talk that way Nicole.....
It gets tiresome to hear the paranoid "the government is the enemy" garbage, and Nicole's response is right on.
Socialism is about the equitable distribution of public resources and isn't Soviet Communism like you and the Neocons think.
Get a clue, please. As a workable plan, libertarianism is a prescription for failure.
"We will find fulfillment not in the goods that we have, but in the good we can do for each other."
Robert F. Kennedy
"The idea that neither collection of fanatics has the moral right to use the government to control, extract money from, and threaten their neighbor,...."
....we have the corporations and banks, and their benevolent CEOs, to do that for them.!
"Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of Stupidity" - Frank Leahy
differently if you lived in a different country....and had a spare US citizenship that you would gladly give away....
because you had no need of it.....
..send the "girlie men" home and let the women finish it. I agree.
59 year old white male, sick of old white males.
Seriously, just stop.
In order to get the four women Republican women senators to sign on, what else do we have to remove from the current bill?
Viagra. It's killing them.
The quotation "All men are created equal" is arguably the best-known phrase in any of America's political documents.
It was thereafter quoted or incorporated into speeches by a wide array of substantial figures in American political and social life.
We're getting there...
I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and constitutions, but laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors. --Thomas Jefferson
Amended:
Study the symptoms not the virus...
Must be because they carry such a terrible burden. I don't know what that burden is. But they must be carrying it.
I love men, and I stand behind that, but I still have to say that there are some men who love to hear the sound of themselves talking each other into the ground, and there's no real point to it. And it seems to be more common where men dominate a space, be it the Congress, the classroom, the workplace, the family, etc. If that wasn't bad enough, they hate when a woman is willing to point this out about them. I know, because I've stepped right into that myself. So I'll just say mad respect for Rep. Shea-Porter. She's got these Congresscritters clutching their pearls...
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
like Abby said...it is a good idea for all the women to convene and write a bill that they have belief in...and present it for consideration....there's a caucus for everything else...why not women reps?
BTW - I have been in the same room but the "talking amongst themselves with no possible forward progress" was coming from women.
Caucus, it makes perfect sense.
As to your second point, well, I can see you're pretty defensive right now BlueSam. My point was also that this is especially bad and common in men where there's space for them to be domineering of women, of drowning out our voices or bullying us into silence, or ignoring us altogether as insignificant. Which is what male Congresscritters have been doing to us for generations as women.
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
Democratic female senators during the debates over the Stupak amendment. Perfect example of that.
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
incomprehensible that a person who made it through the brutality of the American election process would be cowed during discussion of important issues.
If someone cannot find their voice when acting as a representative of the United States of America and/or has difficulty bringing that voice and opinion to the front of a debate, I would question their ability in that particular position to fight for their ideals, regardless of gender.
just making the point that I have been in the same situation. In my case, it happened to be women.
I did not disagree with your point, just presenting a common experience.
OK???
And there a lot of women who do the same thing. I have met them. People who gravitate towards power position, male or female, possess particular character traits such as those you have described above. They seek out these position because they are powerful.
are preposterous and cut from whole cloth. What's new???
"Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of Stupidity" - Frank Leahy
I'd venture to say that the lady probably knows what she is talking about.
1) Feminists have been male bashing for years and, despite being on the right side of many issues, are one of the most disliked groups of people in the country. Less than 30% of all women are willing to self-identify as feminists.
2) Men and the women who love them constitute the single largest group of people in the country.
3) Last I checked, two of the biggest holdups in the healthcare bill were Blanche Lincoln and Olympia Snowe.
4) One of the top talking heads for the healthcare lobby is a woman.
When it comes to sexism, feminists are reliable political morons who have consistently displayed an immense talent for driving away voters.
Thanks, girls.
why I am a proud feminist, and always will be, even if I don't always agree with what other feminists do, say, or believe.
My feminist ephiphany: Being 13 years old, sitting in a classroom with other students watching I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings and as a sexual abuse survivor myself, watching as the male portions of the room laughed at the rape scene, meanwhile the female portions sat in stunned silence.
I am a feminist because girls in Afghanistan are burned with acid for going to school. I am a feminist because women and girls are raped and murdered with impunity in Juarez, Mexico. I am a feminist because American women have only been able to vote since 1920 (it took about 130 years for those in power to decide we were worthy of it). I am a feminist because I want to be able to walk down a street or go for a late evening walk without worrying what will happen to me. I'm a feminist because I want a better future for all of us, male, female, transgendered.
If that makes this "girl" so unlikable, so be it.
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
Let me tell you something. I'm a sexual abuse survivor myself and I have no respect for people who squander their lives wallowing in it so they can abuse others with their endless sanctimony. And, yes, it does make you unlikable. And doesn't justify male bashing either.
You're a bore.
Good night. :)
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
This is the deliberate, enigmatic response, predictably tinged w/sanctiomny,of someone who desperately wants to get the last word but doesn't have anything intelligent to say.
I simply see no point in continuing with you. You are showing a lot of hostity, none of which I have towards you, and I hope I have not come off that way as having hostility towards you. That is the pity.
I may be a feminist, and you may be a man, but I don't hate you.
And I am sorry to hear that we share a pain.
I have class in the morning, so I am headed to bed. I am sorry if I was offensive.
Good night, for real, and no sanctimony intended.
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
People are hostile to me all the time. I dish back and I don't do it by cataloging irrelevant victimization.
I don't have any pain about being sexually molested. I got over it. You, on the other hand, appear to love wallowing in pain since you instantly came up with so many reasons for it that had absolutely nothing to do with the point I was making, namely that feminist male bashing is stupid and politically self defeating.
Feminists have a very bad habit of playing the victim card when stuck for a good argument. It's one of the main reasons they're so overwhelmingly unpopular.
...a bore- or worse. She could have, and she would have been justified. She took the high road, though.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
Your idea of the high road and my idea of the high road are not at all alike. I don't see anything high-minded about harping on irrelevant victimization that has nothing to do with the point I was making. I think calling bullshit on that kind of thing is perfectly fair.
Feminists are boring. That's why even women don't like them.
You're painting with a pretty damn broad brush there, Hieronymus Braintree.
I'm glad you've worked through your issues (but between you and me, your overt hostility towards people you don't know and need to sneer at others makes me think you're not as okay as you seem to think you are). But don't start making easily falsifiable and overarching statements like "Even women don't like feminists." It renders everything else you write as unworthy of consideration.
As an admin here, I'm going to ask you to keep civil to other posters and reflect a little on why you think others are hostile towards you and if you are perhaps contributing to that dynamic.
Um,Nicole?
Have you checked the polls? Over 70% of women refuse to identify themselves as feminists. That's a HUGE rejection.
http://iac.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=...
"easily falsifiable and overarching statement," eh? I call bullshit. It's not my fault you fail to deal with political reality.
I'm not playing victims over the fact that people are being hostile towards me. I'm perfectly well aware of that fact. So please spare me your condescending tone.
And I being nasty about it because I hate being bullshitted.
The entire premise of this thread is sexist bullshit. Mary Landrau, Olypia Snowe and Blanch Lincoln are three of the biggest obstacles to healthcare reform in the senate. Saying that we should get rid of the men is misandry pure and simple. Deal with it.
You want to throw this out. Fine. Practicing censorship is your perogative.
You can disagree. Don't take it out on other posters. That's not condescension, that's site management.
You are projecting condescension on my part, and if I may, you are personalizing the "bullshit" to justify your unnecessarily hostile attitude towards someone you don't know with a life experience you don't have full information on, yet feel free to judge and sneer at. It's unfair, rude and frankly, asking for hostility in return. All I'm saying is that if you want a little civility, try it yourself.
As to that poll, I'm leery of it. I can create a poll that frames things in such a way to get completely opposite results. There has been a concerted right wing noise machine effort to demonize "feminism" that I'm not surprised to see those kind of results, assuming the questions were asked in such a way to trigger those attitudes.
That poll was from the Daily Beast where Skip Gates ran to his daughter to give an incoherent account of his arrest. It ain't exactly the National Review. In any case, your assertion that my accusation about feminism's unpopularity is clearly not, as you claimed, easily refutable.
I have seen plenty of polls showing the same trend. I've even read feminists complaining about it. (I believe the odious Amanda Marcotte had a post about that a couple of years back.) You can be "leery" all you like. I call it denying reality.
You got a poll that shows feminists are popular? I'd like to see it. Not a speculative one. A real one.
Feminists have a very bad habit of bringing up stuff like rape and clitorectomies when on the losing end of an argument where the revlevency is at best questionable. The victimization brought up by Anneligh had nothing to do with the argument I was making.
And I've seen it pulled on other people. It's manipulative. And it's bullshit.
I prefer clarity to civility. The lickspittles on the Sunday gasbag shows are very civil. With the excpetion of a few like Krugman, they're almost always full of shit. Read Digby sometime if you don't believe me. She even has a tendency to be rude. No wonder you don't like her.
Digby is a friend of mine. I have plans to get together with her in April when I visit LA again, as a matter of fact. I am also acquainted with Amanda, and having known her for the last couple of years, would not call her "odious." But then again, I appear to be much more of a people person than you.
You can, of course, choose to dismiss what I say with any kind of rationalization you concoct about the superiority of your version of "clarity" over "civility". The fact remains that the only person you've convinced in this conversation is you.
You sought no "clarity" in conversation with anyone. You sought to be an asshole to people you don't know. You chose to sneer at experiences and declare yourself superior for having "gotten over them" (which I would again respectively posit, your hostile attitude would tend to belie). On an open internet forum, you have declared the only acceptable parameters of discussion (as far as you're concerned, the hell with anyone else), castigating all else as "bullshit" and "manipulative", and then went off on some off-topic tangent of polls on attitudes toward feminism, some broad-brush statements that were geared to be inflammatory and your garden-variety misogyny. All the while, declaring yourself somehow the "victim" of hostility and wrapping yourself in the mantle of superiority for "dishing back."
I don't care where that poll came from. As a former marketing executive, I know that statistics can lie. I've already expressed my suspicions as to why the results are as they are.
My point remains in this discussion to ask you to try to stay civil and respectful of other posters. You may not value civility, but this isn't your site. So while you're on this site, you will follow our rules.
How's that for "clarity"?
I asked you to show me a poll which shows that feminist are popular. You have failed to produce. You know why? THERE AREN'T ANY. The fact that you "don't care where the poll [I cited] came from" w/o being able to show any real cause for doubting it proves just what a closed-minded person you are. Not that I'm surprised. My experience is that feminists are extremely closed-minded people. They're like Republicans that way.
Look, I challenged you to prove your own claim and you came up completely empty. Deal with it.
Amanda Marcotte accused the Duke Lacrosse players of being guilty AFTER they were exonnerated and said, I'm parapharsing "What's the mattter, can't a few white boys hold a black woman down and maker her have sex against her will-so unfair." She called people who were rightfully skeptical "rape apologists." When people complained she painted herself as a victim of misogyny. If falsely accusing clearly innoccent people of rape and then playing victim when people complain isn't odious then I dont' know what is.
And why didn't Marcotte see that they were innocent after everyone else did? I'll tell you why: It's because she loves feeling victimized and wanted to vicariously wallow in it so badly that she couldn't accept the reality that that the rape never happen. The rape was too precious to her.
And you and Digby and Atrios and a host of others rallied around this man-hating twit and then you can't even bring yourselves to admit that you're unliked even though, unlike you, I can provide evidence to support my position.
People like feminists? Show me.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Daily_Beast
Well, Nicole, if there's one thing we know about Tina Brown it's about how she's always trying to keep the wimmen down.
Look, if you're going to reject a poll from her website you're not going to accept any poll that doesn't agree with your preconcieved notions--that is assuming you can actually find one.
Reality really is a bitch, no?
CBS "Women hold a positive view of the women’s movement. Sixty-nine percent say the movement has made their lives better –- the highest number saying this since this poll started asking the question. In 1999, 48 percent of women said achievements by the women’s movement had improved their lives. A New York Times Poll conducted in 1983 found just 25 percent of women said the women’s movement had made their lives better."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/10/22/opi...
annaleigh jumped in with both barrels pretty quick when I noted a common experience above.
Hair-trigger reaction IMO.
See Mon, 01/25/2010 - 17:36 — Annaleigh
Certainly made my words mean something specifically fit to her understanding and world view and as I later explained, nothing close to what I meant.
But as they say - stereotypes are so convenient.
in other parts of the thread you were just a little bit sensitive to percieved male bashing. I wasn't attacking you, did not intend to be attacking you.
And then ironically you use all caps in part of your initial reply when saying you weren't being defensive.
I'm only going to lurk this thread from now on if at all. I tried to honestly and civilly share with Hieronymous why I choose to be a feminist, to give another perspective to his feminist bashing. In return I got hostility, anger, and name calling. I try to let it go, and get more name calling. I try writing and polite and sincere goodnight to end the bickering once for a all, and he just shows himself to be uninterested in calm, civil discussion and looking to get his hate on. If he wants to spend his time on C & L doing that, fine. You want to defend his doing that, fine. But he can find someone else to start his crap with. I'm not going to waste my time with him, and evidently I shouldn't with you either.
It's a nice day today, and I'm looking forward to going to journalism class in a few minutes and learning something. Life's too short to get hung up on someone's unwarranted anger, so I'm just going to enjoy the day.
Peace to both of you. (let the accusations of sanctimony commence, I guess)
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
These anti-feminist posters sound like the same ones who have taken over the youtube video "This is What a Feminist Looks like"
They use the word "misandry" quite a bit and are uber-defensive about an innocuous video that neither elevates nor lionizes women over men.
Annaleigh please don't stop contributing here. While I may not always agree with you, I've always valued your imput.
It would be a very boring site if all we did was echo each other's thoughts. (That said, there still is no reason to be rude, a la braintree.)
Hope you enjoyed your class.
And I did enjoy my class, thanks. :)
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
oops, there I go with caps.
I can't find where some use of caps was something of note...so...whatever.
How is pointing out a common experience a perception of male bashing? I noted that I saw the same thing you did but my experience was with women. If anything, I put our experiences and those who we saw participating in the same thing as equal.
Your response was about males:
"My point was also that this is especially bad and common in men where there's space for them to be domineering of women, of drowning out our voices or bullying us into silence, or ignoring us altogether as insignificant. Which is what male Congresscritters have been doing to us for generations as women."
So I still don't know what that had to do with my initial response. If it was to say that men are oppressive and you're pissed off about it, your opinion is noted.
I have lived this life long enough to know that I have no reason to be defensive to people who have no sway on my life.
It's a message board. I'm here for discussion and to let off some steam over the transgressions of political-types and their seemingly inane manner of changing things for the better.
Re: feminists and feminism - I am still trying to figure out what those words mean.
You may have helped in that regard.
Ok, I think I'm getting mixed up, so I'll try to explain myself,
"How is pointing out a common experience a perception of male bashing?"
I'm wasn't referring to what you were saying about my observation, I had been referring to your responses to other posts in this thread, such as:
"So good to hear that somebody still has some love for the male human animal."
In light of comments to other posters like that, I took it to mean you are sensitive about the thread topic in general, and that you are feeling like there was male bashing in that thread.
So when you brought up "women do it too," in reply to my comment, I interpeted it as almost trying to nulify and silence out my observations that men do this, and by saying that women do a lot of talking about nothing, the point was being made that it's ok for men therefore to pontificate and get nothing done.
If I was touchy and interpreted you wrong, I'm sorry. But I was going by all your posts in this thread, the bigger picture, which *is* sensitive to what you feel is male bashing.
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
at its best.
When I say it's nice that someone still has love for the male human animal, I mean exactly that.
That statement was not directed at you and had nothing to do with any response to you.
If you believe that me saying that I had an experience in which women behaved as poorly as men did in your very similar situation means I am trying to silence you, I can only say - R U Fricking Kidding??
Completely mind boggling. The stretch of your understanding far outreaches the implication of my intent.
You are so very wrong about me and if you cannot take my word for what I mean, this is simply useless.
Although if you do bring what you note is a feminist perspective to the discussion, I also (as another commented) would hope you continue to post.
A poll from the Daily Beast!?
Why don't you just ask the talking heads at Fox, where Barry Diller moved from to start IAC, who owns The Daily Beast.
are boring people.....
a woman....
is a real pleasure....
fyi.....
13 y/o boys often laugh at uncomfortable sexual references. They're not ready for it yet and the laughter is used as a coverup and defense mech for their discomfort.
Some would argue that showing a rape scene to students at 13 years of age may not be something they can handle and might just be an idea worth reconsidering.
Believe it or not, annaleigh, their laughter might have had nothing to do with you, with women in general or some perceived appreciation or approval for what was occurring on screen.
When are women going to stop stereotyping men as brutish cavemen completely devoid of the ability to be compassionate.
What kind of view would we have of a man who said something like lets send the girls home because they are overemotional and hysterical wrecks incapable of rational decision making.
it's an easy target that few people will speak out against.
Gender hatred is ugly from either side of the fence.
Besides, without easy stereotypes, who would some people have left to hate?
... haven't Blanche Lincoln and Mary Landrieu been doing their best to kill real reform? And Olympia Snowe ... did she help get 'er done? Unfortunately, the corruption and the influence of big money interest in our Congress has no gender preference.
This is totally bogus,
Michelle Bachmann, Mary Landrieu and Olympia Snowe would not pass health care reform.
"[The] feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians."
Study the symptoms not the virus...
GOPer: NH Selling Children To Gay Couples For $10,000
Study the symptoms not the virus...
...and it isn't male bashing to point out the obvious deficiencies of the type of male who seeks political office. Testosterone poisoned Alpha-male wannabes, all. There are lots of accomplished males, but their considerable contributions are made in other arenas.
Want REAL change that you can REALLY believe in? Vote for female candidates. Women are going to inevitably have to clean up the shambles left by the male idiots that both parties nominate and the rest of us elect.
As a male I would like to congratulate Rep. Shea-Porter for stating the obvious. I hope she sticks to her guns and that more reasonable people stand up in support of her.
a lot of hate.
I don't agree, but that's America for you.
as long as their names aren't Bachmann or Palin.
NOBODY 2012
but it seems to me that most of the women in congress are just as corrupt and as thoroughly bought-off as the men. Nothing would change.
...that current female members of Congress are as "thoroughly bought off" as the males (though I have my doubts). The deplorable state of our election process makes it impossible to win without truckloads of cash.
Perhaps I should have made campaign finance reform a necessary first step. However, I believe that if enough sensible voters would adopt a female-first voting policy, we would see campaign reform - plus a whole lot of other things that most people know we should accomplish but never do.
You've obviously never been married to one.
Hmmm ... that was supposed to be a reply above. Never mind....
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