More lunacy from Michele Bachmann as she believes John Quincy Adams was a Founding Father
The biggest hurdle for Michele Bachmann to overcome in running for the Republican nomination is her penchant for making over-the-top statements for political effect which turn out not only to be untrue but ill-advised as well. She could get away with this as a backbencher in congress but now message discipline is paramount, as is focus. Her appearance on Fox this weekend was focused, and she benefitted a lot from being able to play the victim from Chris Wallace's clumsiness of calling her "a flake". Another appearance on CBS's Face The Nation was less assured, and at times cringe-worthy. This one with George Stephanopoulos today on Good Morning America casts real doubts whether she can handle the scrutiny from being seen as a legitimate presidential candidate, as ridiculous as it is to even write those words in connection with Michele Bachmann.
Her defensiveness and unwillingness to ever, ever admit wrong is Palin-esque. It's not a trait or a habit Americans will find endearing.
Stephanopoulos: But that’s not what you said. You said that the Founding Fathers worked tirelessly to end slavery.
Bachmann: Well if you look at one of our Founding Fathers, John Quincy Adams, that’s absolutely true. He was a very young boy when he was with his father serving essentially as his father’s secretary. He tirelessly worked throughout his life to make sure that we did in fact one day eradicate slavery….
Stephanopoulos: He wasn’t one of the Founding Fathers – he was a president, he was a Secretary of State, he was a member of Congress, you’re right he did work to end slavery decades later. But so you are standing by this comment that the Founding Fathers worked tirelessly to end slavery?
Bachmann: Well, John Quincy Adams most certainly was a part of the Revolutionary War era. He was a young boy but he was actively involved.
She said that with a straight face.
On abolishing the minimum wage:
Stephanopoulos: Let me try one more time, so you are saying that the minimum wage is one of those regulations you’d take a look at, you’d try to eliminate it?
Bachmann: Well what I’m saying is that I think we need to look at all regulations, whatever--whatever ones are inhibiting job growth that’s what we need to --
Stephanopoulos: And the minimum wage is one of them?
[Long pregnant pause here.]Bachmann: All regulations George. I think every department. We have just too much expansion of government and so what we need to do is tamp that down so that the American people can keep more of what they make.
Such performances cast real doubts whether she can last through to the primary season. That would be a real shame because she, like few others, illuminate what the modern-day Republican party has become.
Was the 6th President of the USA... FAIL Michele!
AND the founding fathers ended slavery and invented Oreo cookies and ...
lol
This is the non-flake very serious GOP front runner. She could be the next President of the United States of America.
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
John Quincy/ John Gacy . . . bucket of bolts/bowl of gravy. Same diff.
I know he opposed the war with Mexico for Texas, and expansionism in general for the most part. But Repubs like to pick and choose the beliefs of their heroes, including Jesus.
I've seen some stuff, man. And some thangs...
He favored the expansion of domestic improvements like roads and canals, the establishment of a national university, high terrifs to protect domestic industries, and the national bank, and he rubbed a lot of folks the wrong way for being nice to the native americans.
The cynical part of me wants her to win the Rep. primary so I can watch SNL and any pundit with a brain tear her the new asshole she deserves. The altruistic side of me wants her to come to her senses and bow out before any real damage is done.
"Banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies." Thomas Jefferson
...."..any pundit with a brain..", that' funny.
Well, maybe that's not fair...surely there are a few smart pundits on the professional left with a brain; its just that bachmann would never be on the same set as a smart pundit from the pro-fessional left.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
"The biggest hurdle for Michele Bachmann to overcome in running for the Republican nomination is her penchant for making over-the-top statements for political effect which turn out not only to be untrue but ill-advised as well."
It a sane world the biggest hurdlle for her to overcome would be her total lack of intellectual and moral (she lies, repeatedly, without shame or concern) qualifications for the job of president.
Of course in a sane world not one of these republican presidential contenders would be taken seriously by anyone.
You can always count on the "liberal" media to create a false equivalency, so expect an "Obama says that 2+2 =4, so both sides make gaffes."
Followed by the inevtibale "you really have to give her credit for facing the non-Fox media, taking the tough questions, putting herself out there, blah blah blah".
She's a 3 time US Congress women.
That tells you all you need to know about "sane" in the US.
"Why don't you love me, you b!*ch! I burned your house down for us!"
-Modern American diplomacy
JQA was 8 years old. I'm sure he was a most precocious youngin' but probably more involved with book learning, house chores and being a kid than matters of state.
Janek
I really, really, really hope the RePugniScum/Dirtbaggers nominate her for POTUS. The Democrats could just run ads night and day showing her dozens of dimwitted comments and kick her to the curb in the general election. It would be an Obama landslide.
Reader, suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.
walking, talking talking-points machine.
Ask her a specific question on a specific issue, get a prepared talking point back. Ask her if the founding father's worked to end slavery, get a talking point about how our Constitution can be amended and that we did finally end slavery, because we're a great nation. Ask her how removing the minimum wage will end unemployment, get a talking point about high unemployment and Obama's failure to keep unemployment below 8%.
Not ready for prime time, for sure.
...is so very republican't right now...its another piece in the puzzle of getting the country back to the way things were 100 years ago. Now that's progress!
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
in today's pussified-media environment, a "walking, talking talking-points machine" is perfectly primed for prime time. sad as that may be.
ask her a question, she buzzes, whirrs and spits out a GOP-approved talking point right on cue. she will go a long way. more sadness.
and loved his country and his father so much, that he named a beer after him, and the companies been making "Sam Adams" ever since, so he was an entrepreneur and job creater, too!
He did NOT win in 2000, but he got in. 2004, they did the same thing just in a diffrent state and got in again and the Country has gone down hill with all the shit this nut did when he was in office. Now we are in the hole, What about 14 trillion, BUT it's Obamas fault...With the repugs controling the voting : http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm ...With this kinda control over the voting, who says the repugs can't FIX another election.
Never misunderestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups!
Turk Meister
with this bachmann just further endeared herself to the dislodged right
Idiocy.
Correction, FilthyHarry.
LOONACY!!
And it doesn't fucking matter who the Hell it is Republicans would vote for Charles Manson over Obama.
She reffered to a different Charles though.
http://www.mlive.com/news/bay-city/index.ssf/...
for a large segment of the voting public, that just means that she, like chimpy, is one of them
He keeps asking her specific questions and she keeps giving answers to questions that weren't asked. It's like looking at George Duh-bya Bush all over again.
She will last because people are willing to overlook things like intelligence and integrity to back their favorite horse.
An appeal to idiots to stop supporting idiots will seldom work.
"The greatest threat to freedom of thought is intellectual cowardice." -George Orwell, 1946
http://christianfearinggodman.blogspot.com
Bachmann is irrelevant.
It's the morons who go and listen to these fascist goons and cheer them and their fascist agenda who are the problem.
I am to the point where I just want to go over to anybody who hasn't figured out what the GOP is up to yet and just tell them to call themselves braindead idiot dupes; because I am near exhaustion from their chronic stupidity.
If I were a psychopath, I would join the republican party, and get in on the gravy train taking the Teabircher morons to the cleaners.
Bachmann: Well what I’m saying is that I think we need to look at all regulations, whatever--whatever ones are inhibiting job growth that’s what we need to..
why does this sound disingenuous? [other than the fact that it came forth from the lips of ms. ingenuous]
i have a sinking suspicion that the "free" market fundies, those that have a religious fetish for unleashing the market in capital-friendly ways, like bachmann, would only "look" to remove regulations that would bolster business interests. and regulations designed to protect business interests (copyright laws, intellectual property rights, branding, etc.) are sacrosanct...
But kiss those environmental, health and safety laws goodbye: they inhibit business growth and cost capital (which means businesses will claim they can't hire or have to raise their prices, as usual).
"Why don't you love me, you b!*ch! I burned your house down for us!"
-Modern American diplomacy
...I'm SURE Americans would want to work for $2 or LESS an hour(/sarc). Teenaged babysitters make MUCH more than that. It wouldn't pay for a weeks groceries (for one), much less pay for rent or mortgage, utilities, insurance, etc. And, I wonder if this STOOPID cow was asleep during history class. Next thing she'll say is that the development of the Personal Computer led to World War II.
"so that the American people can keep more of what they make."
and since they'll be making less ............
gotta love it, eh ??
...because they'll be no SS, UI, Medicare, etc.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
It goes like this, say it with me:
Bach-mann!
Bach-mann!
Bach-mann!
Bach-mann!
Bach-mann!
Bach-mann!
Bach-mann!
Bach-mann!
Let's help Michelle secure her party's nomination!
...let's make her president. Let's give the country what they seem to want. Obama is Carter and whoever runs, even bachmann, could win like reagan. The economy is moving too slowly out of the recession (just like Carter) but its moving (just like Carter). The right is blaming the left and it works for them; how else would you explain the '10 elections or even the existence of the right as a viable party with a workable ideology? For all the damage the right has done since reagan and for all the good Clinton did (and didn't do and then there was bush, cheney and the other war criminals who trashed our economy, and the country is still on the right's band wagon. Something in this country is truly F-ed up if there's still a republican't party in this country considering the damage they've done to this country.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
...John Quincy Adams was born to John Adams and his wife[6] Abigail Adams in what is now Quincy, Massachusetts. The John Quincy Adams Birthplace is now part of Adams National Historical Park and open to the public. He was named for his mother's s maternal grandfather, Colonel John Quincy, after whom Quincy, Massachusetts, is named.[7][pn 1]
In 1779 Adams began a diary that he kept until just before he died in 1848.[8]
Adams first learned of the Declaration of Independence from the letters his father wrote his mother from the Second Continental Congress in Philadelphia.
Much of Adams' youth was spent accompanying his father overseas. John Adams served as an American envoy to France from 1778 until 1779 and to the Netherlands from 1780 until 1782, and the younger Adams accompanied his father on these journeys.
Adams acquired an education at institutions such as Leiden University. For nearly three years, at the age of 14, he accompanied Francis Dana as a secretary on a mission to St. Petersburg, Russia, to obtain recognition of the new United States. He spent time in Finland, Sweden, and Denmark and, in 1804, published a travel report of Silesia.[9]
During these years overseas, Adams became fluent in French and Dutch and became familiar with German and other European languages. He entered Harvard College and graduated in 1788, Phi Beta Kappa.[10] (Adams House at Harvard College is named in honor of Adams and his father.)
He apprenticed as a lawyer with Theophilus Parsons in Newburyport, Massachusetts, from 1787 to 1789. He was admitted to the bar in 1791 and began practicing law in Boston.
Adams was elected a U.S. Representative from Massachusetts after leaving office, the only president ever to do so, serving for the last 17 years of his life with far greater success than he had achieved in the presidency. Animated by his growing revulsion against slavery,[4] Adams became a leading opponent of the Slave Power and argued that if a civil war ever broke out the president could abolish slavery by using his war powers, a correct prediction of Abraham Lincoln's use of the Emancipation Proclamation in 1863. Adams predicted the Union's dissolution over the slavery issue, but said that if the South became independent there would be a series of bloody slave insurrections.[5]
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
Actually, Bachmann's defensiveness and unwillingness to ever, ever admit wrong is not only Palinesque; it is very much in line with what conservatives do. They never admit they are wrong; they never apologize for mistakes.
This woman wants to eliminate the minimum wage, and for that, she is evil. What's she want, to employ people, as they do in China, for 50 cents an hour?
I absolutely loathe Michelle Bachmann.
in Mayberry. He was the founding sheriff.
"Folks, this is not your father's Republican Party."
Joe Biden
"Her defensiveness and unwillingness to ever, ever admit wrong is Palin-esque. It's not a trait or a habit Americans will find endearing."
This is demonstrably incorrect. Republicans are elected precisely because they refuse to admit they're wrong, a circumstance the left doesn't seem to understand. Americans love confidence in their leaders more than any other trait. Reagan was always pretending to clear brush, Bush wore that ridiculous flight suit, etc. Obama looks timid and the Left jumps all over him.
see, chris christie, and the GOP love fest for his royal jerkishness
This stupid moron originally said that the "Founding Fathers" worked tirelessly to end slavery.
So, let's give her the benefit of the doubt and say that it was revolutionary war figures who worked tirelessly to end slavery, even though they were only 8 years old during that time. Who else does Bachmann think besides John Quincy Adams "worked tirelessly" to end slavery? If asked, she'd probably say Abraham Lincoln because although he was not even alive during the revolutionary war, his grandfather was. His grandfather was also named "Abraham Lincoln," and he was a militia captain in the revolutionary war.
No, the grandfather was not a "Founding Father," but he was alive during the Revolutionary War, and his grandson signed the Emancipation Proclamation and was President during the Civil War.
This is the type of twisted logic Bachmann is using to defend her statements.
Once again, I loathe Michelle Bachmann.
if one's son counts... what about a grandson? or, in my case, what about a great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandson of a rev war fellow?
if so, can i wear a cape? or, at minimum, my undies on the outside?
...you were in an '80's hair band.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
Well, my ancestor fought in the revolution, too. Unfortunately, he was a Redcoat. He was a Scot who, along with his brother, was dragooned into the British Army more or less at the point of a bayonet. Got land in Canada out of the deal, though.
This is just getting embarrassing for America, now. I'm just glad she again didn't go with...
"...W.. well, it may be wrong, but you know who else it wrong? Barack Obama. Burn."
I'm embarrassed for ya!!! Egad. Looks pretty hurtin'!
far left loon >.<
with his father when he was a kid.
Just in the few days I've seen her on TV.....She doesn't answer the question(s) asked of her. She's just a another form of Sharon Angel of Neveda.
Droppin piglets on the concrete.. Rootin for the Man
Restructure Medicare-but cover botox!
I really do believe that most of the R candidates are being paid to run as a way of creating conservative noise and echo echo echo.. I'll bet that most of them have the same funders once the money is traced..
Many Americans didn't seem to have a problem with this in G.W. Bush; in fact, many did find it endearing. The problem is partly in how the media frame it. The media will love whomever the Republicrap string-pullers annoint.
many americans see a refusal to ever admit wrong as strength
not surprising, since it's what we do that around the world ... we aren't invading to gain control of resources, we are spreading democracy ... those weren't innocent civilians, that was collateral damage ... it's not torture, it's enhanced interrogation!
It's called Narcissism.
far left loon >.<
the primary season."
What are you talking about? As long as the press lets her get away with not answering questions and just reciting talking points instead she has a real shot at the nomination.
... what will disqualify her is her genuine adherence to her religiously-based principles, as twisted as those principles are. The corporatists who run this country will want someone whose principles are for sale. Romney or Pawlenty would serve them well (as, unfortunately, Obama has done).
Hey, John Wayne (Gacy), John (Quincy) Adams--eh, whatever--close enough for jazz and tea baggers!
She has fond memories of watching Willie Mays Aikens play for the Giants...while listening to Ryan Adams signing Summer of 69...not to forget watching Ted Bundy on Married with Children!
Reporter...Miz Bachmann, you have said that you want us to return to our founding fathers' ideals, can you expound on that sentiment?
Bachmann...I had mid-west values poured into me. I took their voice. I have five biological children and twenty five hybrids. John Wayne worked tirelessly to end slavery. Governor Palin represents well, the state where the first shots of the revolutionary war were fired. I am Bachmann!
LMAO
Classic, She says people need to keep more of the money they make, AND she wants to get rid of the minimum wage.
So you can keep more of what you make as long as you take a huge cut in pay!
in any form is another hallmark of malignant narcissism. She''s a psychopath, a megalomaniac, without conscience (despite her professions of faith), essentially amoral, so dishonest as to be estranged from reality, functionally insane......real GOPer presidential material.
Look gang, I hate to say it, but she is right.
John Quincy Adams served as his fathers secretary while he was serving the revolution in France, and later became our first ambassador to Russia while still a teenager.
He was not a founding father, but he was certainly right there on the scene during the early days of the nation.
His first ambassadorship was in the Netherlands, an office he assumed in 1794- when he was 27. He was 42-years old when he became the US Ambassador to Russia.
J.Q. Adams was 10-years old when his father was co-authoring the Declaration of Independence in Philadelphia, and he was in Braintree with his mother. He was not a contributor to the Federalist Papers, nor a delegate to the Constitutional Convention- he was reading the law in 1787, apprenticing under Theophilus Parsons. He couldn't even cast a vote until 1792.
Being alive in the era of the Founders and Framers does not mean that J.Q.A. was a Founder or a Framer. Bachmann is wrong.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
the same thing as a "young boy"? Or am I splitting hairs?
Big hairy deal. Bachmann is still all mixed up, wrong, when she pronounces that the founding fathers worked their butts off to end slavery, isn't she? Isn't she? What's worse, she refuses to admit her mistake - her mistakes, lots of them.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Right, and it's fair to let her have it when she gets it wrong.
But this time, she didn't get it wrong.
Reacting like you are doing just makes us look like a mob.
John Quincy Adams was in on it, and everything, from day one and ever after. He helped Paul Revere ring bells and fire shots to warn the British the American private persons militia had shored up their arms and ammunitions. That's how the Liberty Bell got cracked; an errant shot.
far left loon >.<
Actually he was 30. And it was Prussia.
Embarrassed by my species
Right, Michele. Eliminate minimum wage so Americans can keep more of their $4 per hour.
This woman is a vacuous, empty headed moron. All she does is give out empty platitudes and spouts hatred towards Democrats and Obama.
She shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near the levers of power, either on the national or state level.
By that l mean the one where Fraiser is so disgusted with the bland responses of a New York official he makes a bet that he could get Woody elected.
He suceeds but then has a nightmare about President Woody causing World War III with a nuclear strike!!
I would put 3 time elected congresswoman Bachmannn (R-Nuttier Than Racoon Biscuits) on the same level.
If I was 4 years old in 1969, can I then take any credit for NASA putting a man on the moon? I mean, that was me era, and I felt pretty much involved...
By the way, should we eliminate minimum wage, it would create a bunch of jobs which for people whom, per the GOP, don't pay any taxes, so how would this help?
...and the first really clear memory I retain is of being in a crowd, watching that landing on a tv that was atop a camper overlooking the Straits of Mackinac...Now I can say that I worked with Armstrong and von Braun!
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
I was 9 and I remember seeing it on TV. My younger brother (4) was looking out the window. If he couldn't see it 'for real' (looking at the moon) he wasn't watching and went back to bed.
far left loon >.<
I suggest this one.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
job as a moderator seriously, he'd tell the audience, "You're not answering my questions. You're only giving these meaningless nonsensical, historically inaccurate statements, and you're unwilling to correct yourself when confronted with proof of just how wrong you are. How is this not disqualifying? Do you think the American people think such an anti-intellectual and stubborn attitude is a virtue"?
But no, all George does is smile, look pretty, and move on to the next gotcha question.
Or...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9S7yhD5M9A
...bumbling wingnuts already have the perfect theme song.
And with that...I am off to work...
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
She should use this one, because if she does(god forbid) does get elected, this is what America will be saying:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4Me2YbMObw
tom Petty "You Wreck Me"
If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders.
George Carlin
I can only assume that "looking at all the regulations" would take decades .......
Oh please, oh please, oh please let Michele Bachmann get the GOP nomination! This is a greater gift to Obama than Sharron Angle was to Harry Reid's flagging fifth run at the Senate. Even the DNC should be sure to donate to her campaign for the nomination.
When the first shots were fired at Lexington and Concord, John Quincy Adams was... 8 years old.
Ol' crazy eyes is a nut-job true-believer. Wow.
"Michele, you want to take back the nation. From whom?"
"From the people all across the nation....."
WTF??
reach through the tv and smack the crap out of George S. He actually seemed to be trying to ask the twit real questions....do I get a sense (however small) that he is actually 'waking up' to the totally non-answers and stupid crap she's spewing???
One can hope. Sorry, I know that word's been a might over-used....
Her constant f-ups, sadly, are pretty much for our own entertainment only. It's not going to make a bit of difference to anyone who would be clueless enough to consider voting for her...I imagine a majority of them don't go fer none o' that fancy booklearnin' no how.
http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/7921/bachm...
Furthermore, JQA was born in a log cabin he built with his own two hands... those founding fathers were pretty badass...
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
'Publicans Don't Even Need to Oil This One Up. She's already slippery and slimy enough to confound the electorate.
I've watched her in several interviews in the past few days. I have YET to hear her answer a question.
All things in moderation ... including moderation
Dizzy C#nt.
far left loon >.<
As usual, she can’t connect her thoughts and her words and both are usually divorced from reality. I’m sure she meant John Wayne, born Marion Mitchell Morrison in Winterset, Iowa about three hours from Waterloo. John Wayne Gacy aka the Killer Clown who raped and murdered 33 teenage boys and young men between 1972 and 1978, moved to Waterloo, Iowa in his 20’s and was first arrested for crimes against teen boys there.
I’m sure it was just her usual stupid, half witted, imbecilic, ignorant, half assed researched statement. Even so, if it wasn’t, she would have had something in common with Tea Party darling Ayn Rand, who had a thing for psychopathic serial killer William Edward Hickman, whose gruesome, sadistic dismemberment of 12-year-old girl named Marion Parker in 1927 shocked the nation.
Whether it was her screw up, or that of one of her campaign workers, her inability to keep her ‘facts’ straight without mixing completely different wikipedia or google postings might not be so disturbing if it didn’t seem to be a daily or sometimes hourly happening. Whatever, I hope she doesn’t decide to give a talk about Ron Paul because she would probably come up with a lot of information mixed from postings on Ron Paul and Ru Paul! Actually on second thought that might be extremely entertaining!
The insult to all critical thinking people are the array of complete imbeciles posing as candidates for the presidency of the USA. The whole campaign of these dorks are propelled by the idiocy driven media who support and legitimize these fake sub-candidates. If you want anything to change, especially the new rules created by the Supreme Court, lobby and demonstrate for government funded elections. Keep the corrupt corporate money from destroying the one measly sense of democracy left, your vote.
"Eliminate the Minimum Wage
... so that the American people can keep more of what they make!"
-- Michele Bachmann.
"It's Time To Take Back The Nation
... from the people all across the nation!"
-- Michele Bachmann.
"I Have The Spirit of John Wayne
... Gacy!"
-- Michele Bachmann.
... and so forth....
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