January 28, 2011 09:55 AM
Egypt gripped by violent protests
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Chaos as Egyptian police fire teargas to control demonstrators in mass protests in Cairo and Suez following Friday prayers. This Guardian video tells the story of how events unfolded and escalated today.
Locals pray in the street in front of The l-Istiqama Mosque watched by riot police in Giza on January 28, 2011 in Cairo, Egypt Photograph: Peter Macdiarmid/Getty Images
Internet in Egypt, as far as we can tell, has now been disabled for a full 24 hours. Arbor Networks, which has been monitoring traffic in and out of the country over 80 service providers, has released an updated graphic:
Egyptian people 1- Hillary Clinton and war-monger Inc.- 0.
Moobahr plays ball though so it's only a matter of time before "all the options are on the table."
Exciting shit- this Egyptian and Tunisian business.
Al Jazeera live:
http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/
You do us and the Egyptians a disservice by saying 'violent protests'.
There appears to be some violence on both sides. The facts are far from clear, except that Hosni Mubarak has held repressive sway for thirty years with one hell of a bankroll from the US Imperialists.
Ultimately, those who deny people the possibility of peaceful development guarantee violence.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
Multiple Egyptians on the feeds, and others are pointing out "We are a peaceful people." When teased on chat about the "color" of this revolution, one responded .. I want it to be called the "Dignity Revolution".
http://www.leaderpost.com/technology/America+...
It's called the American Dream because you have to be asleep to believe it.
-George Carlin
I saw that, what if it is a plant?
Sometimes, things are so counterintuitive as to be possible.
But with powerful forces, I am very skeptical.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
COINTELPRO
I think the Obama admin (And the later actions of the Bush admin) realised that Mubarak sucks alpaca balls, and they've been trying to find a way to de-fundamentalise Egypt. Mubarak keeps killing them. IF you give them a parliament, it's inherently unstable, and requires coalitions, which means a kind of built in co-option process.
I think the USA found some reasonable dissidents and activists, and figured: these people might be able to pull it off. It's a long shot, and if it fails, they still win, because Mubarak has no real Big Allies. The Chinese would probably be happy to be his friend, but Egypt's value is purely local. China is much better off getting cozy with the IRanians and Qatari and secondary resource centres like Angola and west africa.
Egypt is tied to Europe and the USA (via israel).
So, I think the USA looked at it and figured: "we have very little to lose".
I don';t think that was a plant at all - it's a cable from last year - long before this all blew up.
It's called the American Dream because you have to be asleep to believe it.
-George Carlin
Wikileaks releasing new cables on Egyptian Corruption
here
In time, it will be understood.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
Well, I'm dying to hear what Clinton and Obama will have to say about this:
http://blogs.wsj.com/dispatch/2011/01/28/elba...
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
So the US is supporting the political jailing of a former UN official?
Yeah, that looks good.
I don't believe in God. Teach a man to be a good citizen and you have solved the problem of life.
-Andrew Carnegie
All of Egypt is under curfew.
Heard that. It will backfire.
"Governor Tarkin. The more you tighten your grip, the more star systems will slip through your fingers."
I don't believe in God. Teach a man to be a good citizen and you have solved the problem of life.
-Andrew Carnegie
that the US or any other nation supports the detention of El Baradei? I thought not.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Backchannels/2...
Oh yeaaaaah!
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
who put Aung San Suu Kyi under house arrest so she couldn't possibly be involved in any "elections".
Biden is a disingenuous liar.
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://ww...
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Biden either is being disingenuous, like you said, or he is hopelessly out of touch.
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
All the best to the Egyptian people!
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWP-AsG5DRk
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzDGEnepaZM
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
How do you "disable" the Internet? Thought the raison d'etre behind the 'Net's invention was to ensure a computer network that would allow communications under nearly any conditions? Can someone answer this?
The original ARPANET was transitioned over to the MIL.NET network in 1980. That's what the DOD now uses (I think). In 1990 the remainder of the traffic was transitioned over to a different backbone. Most of the switching in the US goes through about 7-10 hubs (most still owned by AT&T). You can shut down all but 2-3 of these and traffic still gets routed correctly. Other countries, including Egypt, don’t have that many central hubs. Shut these down and you can eliminate most the I/O traffic. Satellite, and private networks still work unless you shut these down one at a time.
...."A few possibilities have been raised: the routers directing traffic across borders can be shut down, digitally sealing the country off from the world, or routers can be shut down at the level of individual internet service providers so that those inside the country are also cut off from the Internet. "
Cue the Kabuki....
in case of an "emergency":
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-200293...
Obama sees Mubarek killing the internet and says, "I'll have what he's having!"
There should NEVER be any reason to cut off communications/business for the American people.
EVER.
Watch the vote on this one. Naturally freakin' Lieberman is behind this.
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
a power that could be used to protect this country from cyber-attack, or could be used to squelch dissent, tough call.
The US just loves pro US puppet fascist states- and I highly doubt the US would want the Egyptian leadership overthrown and replaced with one that would be less apt to let their strings be pulled
So far they are asking the Egyptian government for restraint, to keep the internet open, but that's about it. ...So you could be right.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Bush sr didn't want to offend the Chinese government, so his rection to the Tiananmen Square protests were very tepid. Some of the protestors erected a homemade statute of liberty as a symbol of liberty (which was toppled) , but GHW Bush reacted with indifference.
I wonder of Obama's reaction to Egypt will be in the same vein?
Egyptian government places 2005 Nobel Peace laureate
Mohamed El Baradei under house arrest !!!
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
I hope the British will speak out in favoir of the revolution- im just worried they are still on the US's leash and won't say anything that will upset US interests
House has an important announcement coming soon. Someone else says they saw parliament burning. Other tweets are claiming Mubarak has fled to Switzerland.
Hashtags to follow: #Egypt #Mubarak #Jan25 #Jan28
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
will they right call this an uprising against socialism?
Or will they call all of the demonstrators Islamofascists?
Right. I wonder how they will spin the fact that this 'socialist' government is backed by the US - was backed by Bush - is furnished weapons?
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
n/t
Beer-i.e., God's Sweet Nectar- is a magic drink that makes you smarter, stronger, and more sexy.
-S. Colbert
"There is a very silly article in the NYT today on its front page. It suggests that the Bush administration pressured Mubarak on human rights. Where is the evidence of that? Did he not receive huge aid from the US during those years? Did aid to Egypt not increase? Was he ever punished for his repression? Was he not praised constantly by US officials including by Bush? So what if a few token words were mentioned about "reform". That is meaningless. When US administration (any of them) invokes reform it is euphemism for them (and clearly understood by Arab people) that all what they want is for the dictators to make cosmetic changes to last longer in power. The Arab people know that the US wants to keep all Arab dictatorial governments in place--including that of Syria. That is understood. It is all for the benefit for imperialism and Israel."-- The Angry Arab
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/
Right. Release those political dissidents or we'll cut your gift of 100 F-16 fighters by 10%!
I don't believe in God. Teach a man to be a good citizen and you have solved the problem of life.
-Andrew Carnegie
an intractable problem, and one that is swept under the rug, the parties involved simply must settle their differences. i am not alone in resenting the effects of the israeli lobby in this country; and this is coming from one not a fan of islamic republics.
Well, I'm dying to hear what Clinton and Obama will have to say about this:
They're gonna suggest that the riot police and the rioters sit next to one another and hold hands.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
I fully expect he will suggest comprimise
They could always bribe the government to compromise by offering them even more weapons of war...
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
... this and all the other recent world-wide disturbances are are connected or at least related. I seem to get the feeling that this is all about getting some social justice.
If that is the case, then here in the US the opposite is the case. The teabaggers and repugs want to get rid of whatever appears to be socialist here and Democrats want to achieve some through political venues.
But someone said yesterday [I forgot where] that while the rest of the world protests and riots, Americans just roll over. Could people here protest for the same reason the rest of the world does? Could the turmoil land on our shores?
If you need funds to pay for essentials, you have a revenue problem
If you need funds to pay for frivolity, you have a spending problem
We've become a great example of how not to be, as citizens. We're so bad, it's woken the world up.
We ALREADY have turmoil, we have been seriously plundered by the Financial Elites, the Oligarchs who own the government and the mainstream media.
We just don't protests in the street, which is where the action is when the citizenry is otherwise ignored.
The actions in Tunisia and now Egypt have come about because the people have lost some or all of their fear of the government.
Governments should always fear the people, then there is the possibility of freedom from tyranny.
When the people fear the government more than vice versa, tyranny is a certainty.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
They are simply considered as trivial non-events, therefore not newsworthy to our M$M
"No one ever said these people were logically consistent."
- watchdog -
and , shut the country down, there would not be a word about it in the MSM or press. If 2,000 lunatics show up to hear Glenn Beck try and sell them some over-priced goldit will be covered 24-7. We don't have a press or news media in this country, only rightwing propaganda operations.
Double-plus good?
http://www.michaelmoore.com/
http://www.rawstory.com/
http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/
Extremely interesting events of social change. I'd say the people are in the right and the protests shouldn't be tainted as violent or unjustified. The U.S. backed regime in Egypt is in the wrong and its time for them to step down. Let's hope the people succeed.
"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." ~ Eleanor Roosevelt
"If we make peaceful revolution impossible we make violent revolution inevitable."
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
I'm quite dismayed at the posts I see on other sites such as Newsvine.
Lots of paranoia: "Iran is behind this, The Muslim Brotherhood is taking over, Egypt will be an Islamic state within x months, Obama shoud help Mubarak or we'll see another Iran.
As I've tried to point out to these morons, this is a secular protest. Ni imams. No Islamic student movement. No Ayatollah ready to fly in and take power.
But in the new post-9/11/tea bag country we live in, it's a waste of time. I did notice something profound:
The right-wing in this country is full of shit when it comes to "freedom". I've read
I don't believe in God. Teach a man to be a good citizen and you have solved the problem of life.
-Andrew Carnegie
I knew the right wing would react like mental patients.
I've heard some of this paranoia on Fox (i.e. a revolt will lead to the end of Israel), but not on CNN.
Kraphammer n company were all up in arms doing their best to misinform and scare the shit out of their easily to freighten idiotic viewership.
The chickenshit was wailing on about muslim extremist and the Muslim Brotherhood being involved in the revolt.
Beer-i.e., God's Sweet Nectar- is a magic drink that makes you smarter, stronger, and more sexy.
-S. Colbert
Sorry keyboard malfunction. Just finishing up:
Lots of calls to support Mubarak because "people in that part of the world have always had dictators. We need to keep Islam out of their governments."
I really liked that one.
I don't believe in God. Teach a man to be a good citizen and you have solved the problem of life.
-Andrew Carnegie
wikileaks revealed as such.
http://www.leaderpost.com/technology/America+...
It's called the American Dream because you have to be asleep to believe it.
-George Carlin
Headlines:
I must be dreaming…
mon…
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
Mubarak's been in charge for 30 years. His regime is a vast money pit for the State Dept. They dump billions on Israel, but the israelis are willing to do crazy shit for the USA, like brutally repress the palestinians, bomb iraq, act as an airstrip for the CIA and air force, build a wall of nuclear weapons to guarantee their own safety, etc. Egypt? All they get out of Egypt is what they DON'T get out of Egypt: a load of hassles and guff. At the same time, the Egyptian street is being radicalised by the massive corruption of the regime. They want Mubarak out. So, if the USA can be seen as a champion for the average Egyptian, it's a big win:
they get influence in a democratic egypt (something the USA has wanted for decades) and more familiar relations in the region. Because remember: IT'S ALL ABOUT THE OIL.
If things go well in Egypt, they get to set their sites on the Saudis...
It's called the American Dream because you have to be asleep to believe it.
-George Carlin
Why would the USA want to oppress the Palestinians? The last time Israel bombed Iraq was like 30 years ago.
Mubarack's regime was strongly aligned with the US, BTW. So your assumptions imply the US is playing both sides of this revolt.
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
but playing both sides is what the elites do. They call it "managed conflict": Arm and incite both sides, provoke conflict....the kind that decimates and destroy or weakens the victor and the loser. the longer the conflict lasts, the better. Step in and assume control through a process of insinuation, usually by means of corporations ending up running the country through proxy puppets. Increase wealth, assume control or possession of natural resources, permanently gain and hold all the real, remaining power. What's not to like?
blew the cover of those activists by publishing those documents. I'll bet Mubarak was happy to find out in time. I wonder if that young activist will survive.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
RTFA asshat.
It's called the American Dream because you have to be asleep to believe it.
-George Carlin
unlike most posters here, i have a far less sanguine view regarding the benevolence of Islam.
I agree. I don't care for Islam or its ignorant world view.
But I question how influential it is. Before 9/11, we talked about the middle-east in political terms. Now all we see is Islam and every event in the Arab is somehow related to it.This event seems to have nothing to so with Islam at all. That doesn't stop the moronic assumptions though.
It's all I see on posts about this elsewhere. It's inaccurate and unfortunately fueled by the MSM, especially FOX.
I don't believe in God. Teach a man to be a good citizen and you have solved the problem of life.
-Andrew Carnegie
i really do hope that Egypt winds up better off, we have seen one strongman replaced with another too many times.
I have no problem with Islam, anymore than I do Christianity or Judaism.
It is fundamentalism that is the problem.
I lived for years bordering Detroits' Arab district, the largest outside of the middle east I believe, and I had no problems.
I still live in a district with Arabs and their mosques.
In their heyday the Muslims with enlightened, they tolerated Christians and Jews, who because they had a different belief paid taxes.
Muslims did not pay taxes. It was a tolerant system which was overturned by the US and Brits who wanted the Israeli spearhead into Middle East oil territory.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
remember salman rushdie? how long has it been since the pope put out a fatwa on anyone?
islam specifically teaches that secular government is the work of the devil, or perhaps i am misinformed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salmon_Rushdi
i cut no slack on this, i really am a godless commie, it is not a pose, i have major problems with all of them, despite some of my views.
no one ever expects the spanish inquisition......
i know the current meme, i think it is dead wrong.
"Recently , crowds of thousands gathered throughout the Muslim world - burning European embassies, issuing threats, taking hostages, even killing people - in protest over twelve cartoons depicting the Prophet Muhammad that were first published in a Danish newspaper. When was the last atheist riot?"
— Sam Harris (Letter to a Christian Nation)
but of course i disagree with harris on some things.
Comrade!
In 1953 Iran had a secular democratic government with Mohammed Mossadegh as Prime Minister.
He wanted to nationalize British Petroleum and that got him overthrown by the CIA.
The Ayatollahs would not have made any headway except for our crimes against their people.
That is how fundamentalism is developed and we did it.
My experience in Detroit was with people who were not fundamentalist in anyway.
They were easy to get along with.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
it's a pretty sordid history all right, we screwed these countries up for sure. the cold war was total bullshit, we were never under serious threat of attack, it was all about protecting corporate assets.
i try to inform people about the true nature of the ba'ath party, never get much of a response.
my niece is married to a muslim, though he is pretty secular, drinks like a fish, still won't go for the pork. actually if you look at the kosher rules, and such, the prohibition against against pork, makes good sense from a dietary standpoint. anyhow, my relation is a real sweetheart.
my problem is with countries like iran, where the morality squads beat women on the streets with batons for not dressing right, plus they have executed homosexuals, i'm-a-nut-job claims there are no gays in iran, it's almost funny, but it's not.
time for washington week, i can't believe they replaced bbc newsnight with ebert, that would have been good tonight.
It's fundamentalism, in any of it's faces that poisons the well. Also, clergy who become more interested in their power over their flock intead of service to them.
The example of Iran, exactly makes the point. It is the center of Shia fundamentalism in the world. Exactly what we could expect if any of the radically fundamental sects, say Sarah Palin's group, gained power in this country. Iran, is a rerun of Europe, when the Catholic Church was the undisputed power of the realm.
These people are watching the Fox News reactionaries.
Beer-i.e., God's Sweet Nectar- is a magic drink that makes you smarter, stronger, and more sexy.
-S. Colbert
It appears both the Mubarak Govt and the protesters are courting the Egyptian Military. The military will be the fulcrum on which this ordeal tilts.
America Has Long Supported Egypt's Dictatorial Leadership
America's Middle Eastern Puppet Regimes Are Falling Like Dominoes
"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." ~ Eleanor Roosevelt
about USA involvement in the uprising.
It's called the American Dream because you have to be asleep to believe it.
-George Carlin
Good stuff. If Mubarak's family has fled it may be the end for him.
I don't believe in God. Teach a man to be a good citizen and you have solved the problem of life.
-Andrew Carnegie
http://www.leaderpost.com/technology/America+...
Apparently the USA has been in contact with leading activists for some time, and a plot to engage in "regime change" was being developed so that a change to a parliamentary democracy with a weak president and stronger prime minister would occur before the elections later this year.
The net takeaway?
This is much less spontaneous than it seems.
It's called the American Dream because you have to be asleep to believe it.
-George Carlin
Seems plausible as a strategy to cope with the failed middle-east policies of Bush and Obama to date.
However, what's with the support for Mubarak from Clinton, Biden and Gibbs? Why the false-equivalence?
I don't believe in God. Teach a man to be a good citizen and you have solved the problem of life.
-Andrew Carnegie
as in US elections, back both parties so that you control the situation.
Good point.
I don't believe in God. Teach a man to be a good citizen and you have solved the problem of life.
-Andrew Carnegie
Nice catch tweakerbelle! Very interesting...
From your link:
"The U.S. government has previously been a supporter of Mr Mubarak's regime. But the leaked documents show the extent to which America was offering support to pro-democracy activists in Egypt while publicly praising Mr Mubarak as an important ally in the Middle East."
This is one wiki-leak that the might show that the US government can sometimes be the 'good guys' after all...
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
who to go after.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
History suggests once a revolution starts it cannot be controlled. People with grievances outside the imperialist project will have their say.
OMG. now the president has declared that he will dismiss the entire government - replace the prime minister and the ministers! Not what the wiki-leaks say the US had in mind here...!
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
I just heard Wolf Blitzer on CNN compare Mubarak to the Shah of Iran.
"another friend of the US in the past, although somewhat flawed and disliked".
LOL! Yeah, I guess Saddam was kind of flawed too.
I don't believe in God. Teach a man to be a good citizen and you have solved the problem of life.
-Andrew Carnegie
The only reason these are violent is because the military and police turned their guns on these people.
"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." ~ Eleanor Roosevelt
Right. It started when they mowed down a protester with a machine gun for picking up a small rock.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
that the Army is coming out. And yet there is speculation the Army may actually support the protests.
Note: I'm only watching Fox because the others in this room put it on.
"Someday somebody related to some of these sufferers, these victims, these collaterally damaged souls, may try to kill you. And I have to tell you, I think you’ll have it coming." - Christopher Cooper
You poor bastard. Has FOX called for an invasion to crush the Iranian backed forces from hell on the streets yet?
From what I can tell, most of the Army is supporting the protesters. They may be the institution that transfers power to the Prime Minister and restores order.
I don't believe in God. Teach a man to be a good citizen and you have solved the problem of life.
-Andrew Carnegie
Once the army takes sides, it's game over.
As described in the song, the Duke of Newcastle by Red Krayola:
"The Army is a beast
with a belly for a feast
and the army will be fed
before it can be led
to the pastures you have
And the pastures you have will come
to the balance of property
And the public sword
if it is more than a word
*will be the balance of property*
what can we do?
The world is hard."
Dear liberal and lefty dopes: PLEASE PAY ATTENTION. Egypt is a model.
Not as cute a model as me, but a model nonetheless.
If you lose the military, YOU LOSE. PERIOD.
Right now the USA military is filled with a huge percentage of delusional right wing douchebags.
So if it hits the fan in the USA, do you think they will come to your rescue, or follow the commands of Field Marshall Palin?
Also: note: the uprising in Egypt has USA involvement. So, flip it around...
As I said PAY ATTENTION. Stop watching your stupid TV, and pay attention.
It's called the American Dream because you have to be asleep to believe it.
-George Carlin
Heavily protected jets seen leaving Cairo..
What is your conceptual, continuity?
9 or 10 black luxury sedans pulled up to the Cairo airport under heavy escort, and 3 private jets took off with the passengers.
Who could it be? Hmmmmm….
Mubarak is speaking now. He''s still there. His family and close advisers and their families are on those planes.
Lots of docs being burned, shredded, or carted away right now.
I don't believe in God. Teach a man to be a good citizen and you have solved the problem of life.
-Andrew Carnegie
Is there any indication this speech isn't taped?
No, you may be right. Certainly nothing in it to indicate what time it is, or even if it was done recently (as in the last few hours). We'll have to wait to find out. I see a man who thought he had US-backing to crush this revolt and now finds that he may have lost it.
He may have left already.
I don't believe in God. Teach a man to be a good citizen and you have solved the problem of life.
-Andrew Carnegie
Some bunch of rich ruling class Oligarchs definitely did just fly out of that airport though...
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
the majority of the population in Egypt are YOUNG:
http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/stories/egy...
They are young and restless and they need jobs. They are getting turned on to cellphones and computers and Facebook.
It seems pretty obvious to me that Mubarek's time has run out.
If Egypt wants that $2 billion a year from the U.S. to keep flowing I think they best let ElBaradei out of house arrest and quickly. My understanding is that there will be articles published in all the major world newspapers tomorrow by ElBaradei.
I really hope the U.S. will be on the right side of history with this one.
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
now.
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
I wonder if he will really form a new government tomorrow?
Dismissing the entire Cabinet may not be enough because I am hearing Egyptians saying they want Mubarak GONE!
I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America, and to the republic which it established, one nation from many peoples, promising liberty and justice for all
No kidding. I haven’t heard any protesters calling for the removal of the PM and cabinet ministers. They’re protesting against Mubarak. It’s just after midnight in Cairo, and it seemed the crowds were thinning out before this speech. Not now. This will backfire.
with him.
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
Pre-taped?
If so, he's already left on those planes. It's over. Now the Army will act to get the parliament involved and make sure no whackos take power.
I don't believe in God. Teach a man to be a good citizen and you have solved the problem of life.
-Andrew Carnegie
news source was claiming that he left for Switzerland.
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
but himself apparently. GO Egypt GO!
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
Just heard that. What a lame response. He's not ready to leave yet.
The White House must be freaking out. They may be partially behind it, but I bet they didn't anticipate this. They have no control over the outcome.
I bet the CIA and Mossad are working overtime right now.
I don't believe in God. Teach a man to be a good citizen and you have solved the problem of life.
-Andrew Carnegie
the Egyptian people what they want.
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
The President of Egypt has just now declared that he will dismiss the entire government - replace the prime minister and the ministers!
This is presumably not what the US was hoping for.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Mubarak re-arrangeing the Titantic deck chairs. The army will support the people and Mubarak is toast. Obama & Co. are clueless idiots, Obama's on now saying please turn Twitter back on and by the way here's another shipment of tear gas.
Mubarak asked the government to resign from his secret bunker. So I'm assuming they already resigned and then he pretended to command them to do that. Let's hope he resigns soon.
"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." ~ Eleanor Roosevelt
i wish the egyptian people well, doesn't put a dime in my pocket to do otherwise, but only time will tell if these uprisings will do anything to demolish the class system in that country.
one huge problem in this part of the world is over-population and lack of work, unless this is addressed there will be continuing unrest.
it is one thing to rebel against something, it is quite another to have a vision for the future.
riots and uprisings are one thing, sustained revolutionary movements are much more difficult; the first thing any government does is cut off resources to the movement. at this point they have cut off some communications, the next step is water and food; if this thing gains traction the government will do so.
anyhow, i am witnessing a lot of projection here, we are just wishing that it was happening here. i hope that issues of class are addressed over there, nice if they were addressed here too.
You’re right. Revolution may lead to a solution, but revolution by itself is not a solution. Many revolutions, whether successful or not, do not turn out well for the people. I too wish them well.
If Mubarak is, in fact, gone, and the cabinet is toast – they have anarchy at the moment (even though they may not yet realize it). It’s impossible to say what will happen.
The military is in place. There may be representative of the Army come out soon to say they have taken control. Who knows? This is as big as the Iranian revolution in ’79 – perhaps with graver consequences.
very good points especially 2nd paragraph
"The next step is water and food; if this thing gains traction the government will do so."
That would be inhumane, but i have a feeling these people would find the water spigots and turn them back on one way or another. Much food can be denied from entering the country with cooperation by the military but not all. Just a couple thoughts on the subject.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
That would take military support.
Today was the Muslim Sabbath. The protests started after prayer and escalated when the police started herding people as they left their mosques. The police contingents appear to be gone. The crowds are thinning as the night wears on.
With the sun rise in the morning, the military will have more say. Who they speak for is the million piastre question. If they enforce a curfew, or martial law is enacted throughout the country, Mubarak is still in control of the army. I don’t think they will listen to him. If they don’t respond to Mubarak, to whom will they respond?
"What Egypt needs right now is a tax break for the wealthy, which would create jobs."
Almost as /facepalm as Mubarak just now.
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"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
Actually I think he was serious, but intelligence-challenged. Edit: at least some of the retweeters bought it.
Why am I not surprised ?
Insanity , it is what it is , there is no understanding it .
Hey , it's the trickle down piss theory. It's based on puke. You sure will after drinking the piss.
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A short informative video documenting the recent events in Egypt..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M-Xz9fIPx8
Watch. And pass it on...
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http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/
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I will fire the entire government ... except for myself , I'm still dictator . LOL . Some concession there Mu !
Insanity , it is what it is , there is no understanding it .
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