June 15, 2009 10:00 AM
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Hundreds of thousands are now marching in the streets of Iran against the election results. They're headed toward Revolution Square, perhaps literally.
UPDATE: The BBC is now saying the rally was 1-2 million. The video above was from earlier. The picture below was from later today when the crowds really began to swell.
(Sky News) Tens of thousands of supporters of Iran's opposition leader, Mir Hossein Mousavi, have defied a ban to attend a rally in Tehran after Mahmoud Ahmadinejad won a landslide victory in the presidential elections. Sky's Tim Marshall reports
Why am I having flashbacks of Tiananmen Square?
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No your not!
Where were Americans when Bush rigged his elections?
This is what our streets should have looked like when the Extreme Court stole the 2000 election. It what our streets should look like now with Obama and Congress not ending the war, not over throwing Bush's assaults against the Constitution, Obama selling out - against the will of the great majority of Americans- to the insurance companies, Big Pharma and the HMO's....
The French have it right, and the Iranians are learning... keep government afraid of the People instead of the other way around.
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Sitting on their fat asses in their SUVs at the McDonalds drive thru.
Where were Americans when Bush rigged his elections?
Ans: shopping
That was my first thought when I saw the picture of that crowd.
"If the US government enforced its banking laws like it did its park regulations, we wouldn't be
in this damn park in the first place." OCCUPY.!!
American Idol and what ever other schlock was on TV.
... you are far more educated and worldly than that!
Or even the "power-sharing" of robert makumbi and Morgan Tsvangirai?
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The Ayatollah reversed his decision of the election outcome.
The former head of the Republican Guard says the voting was "flawed".
The neocon establishment, CNN and the other MsM douchebags support
Almhedidjad! Openly. He is their favorite boogieman!
So you know whats up!
Because when you have a "free" and "open" election it only make sense to shut down the "internets" and those texty machines people carry!
Seriously - its pretty disgusting watching the US MSM's reaction to this.
Before enlightenment - chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment - chop wood, carry water.
(Sky News) Tens of thousands of supporters of Iran's opposition leader, Mir Hossein Mousavi, have defied a ban to attend a rally in Tehran after Mahmoud Ahmadinejad won a landslide victory in the presidential elections. Sky's Tim Marshall reports
The quote above is from Sky News...that's FOX News for Britain!!
Did you notice how they are all saying Alhmedinijad WON!!
He hasn't won shit!
Republicans do NOT want any improvement in the US/Iran relationship, because they want war- and feel with Almhedidjad in power, war with Iran more likely. See, the right wingers want the end of times, they want Jesus to come back, and that will only happen in their mind if we are at war with the middle east..
Willin to destroy the entire world to get to heaven.
Either they are crazy, or mentally ill..
Possibly,
perhaps they could be insane, or experiencing some form of post cranial bang syndrome.
OK so these dingbats all believe God has some sort of plan for everything. So by triggering a war, they're trying to speed the process up, therefore attempting to interfere with God's plan.
What right do they have to interfere with God?
No true Christian would interfere and alter God's plan, if that's what they want, all the more that shows they're nothing more than faux Christians. Fakes, false prophets that Jesus warned about.
relatively peaceful...I've heard one person has been shot, and a university ransacked by riot police...
I hope that whoever's in charge over there doesn't go all aggro and start shootin into the crowd.
I hope reason prevails.
Been watching this all day yesterday and today!
That's gonna get outta hand...
had balls that big.
AMEN!!
things would have been sooo much better if we had protested like that.
EDIT***06-16-09
Without all the violence, of course.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YUuyzQDmjY
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was one of the few blonde haired Hebrews in his day.
This is for the Johnny cash link.
Our country wouldn't be in such a mess if we had stood our ground in both 2000 and 2004!
or had at least been paying attention.
THIS is how you protest a criminal election of a criminal administration.
2000 General Election anyone?
You need to hold a casting call for American Idol to get that kind of response in the good ol' USofA...
And that ladies and gents is the sad fuckin truth.
...until the Senators/Corporate cocksuckers sell us out on single payer health care.
Where ya been?
public option.
The general population won't do shit.
Call me a pessimist, but I've lost all faith in the general population of this country. If the people in 1774 were the like how the people now are, we'd be toasting to the Queen's health and drunkenly singing Rule Britania at some pub somewhere in Los Angeles.
We didn't have millions, but we did have hundreds of thousands. And it still didn't mean a thing.
Look at the cases of Roxana Saberi and Sami al-Haj to see which country is the most corrupt.
Saberi was given a rigged trial, then after protests a real one and set free after 4 months in Iranian prison.
Al-Haj was was never prosecuted at Guantanamo so the U.S did not make public its full allegations against him while he was imprisoned for 6 years.
Both were journalists.
Hopefully humanity will one day learn to be humane.
the regime will mobilize the countryside against its urbanized opponents. Think "Cultural Revolution." It could get very nasty.
Wondering what shit the CIA will pull or is pull ling in all this civil unrest in Iran? It's beteween candidate A and candidate B so CIA stay the hell out of it!
the Perian majority under assault from the oppressed minorities.
...it included voter fraud.
BTW, this has to somehow be Obama's fault.
How we can blame Clinton for this.
He wasn't bi with the Iranian leadership?
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took the words out of my mouth
Here, I think you want your chewing gum back.
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has been debunked.
Alex Koppelman (War Room, Salon) here
Pepe Escobar: Fishy vote count + Guile + Tactics: Why Ahmadinejad won here
Pepe's take, the numbers don't add up but Ahmadinejad actually could have won. He passed around a lot of money.
The Bushoviks were all for the Palestinians democracy UNTIL they voted for Hamas. HOW DARE THEY actually vote for someone that Washington doesn't like.
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Alice, I love you!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BADIR64_QYY&fe...
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ha!
She didn't look like me at all but I was her age in 1976.
Now I am much older than I ever thought I would be.
Too bad we didn't listen to Jimmy Carter on April 18 1977. here
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQtd06_9wR8
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Alice: I think you should re-post that often!!
"If the US government enforced its banking laws like it did its park regulations, we wouldn't be
in this damn park in the first place." OCCUPY.!!
Remember, Obama threatened them to cut aid if they didn't vote the way Washington wanted and lo and behold, they voted in line with Washington.
...young, vibrant people wanting change in Iran! Isn't it GREAT that Cheney didn't blow them away in 2007?! He must have been wrong about Iran, huh?
Power to the people
Power to the people
Power to the people
Power to the people, right on
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
He also said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xa6BOE41f9Q&fe...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm4GNx56zXo
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Obama hit the nail on the head when he referred to the Iranian election process this time around as a 'robust debate'. He couldn't have been more correct.
I don't see how you can have that many angry people in one place at one time, without some heavy sh*t going down. If Ahm-a-dinnah-jacket gets twitchy... ugh. I don't want to think about it.
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will speed up the process of a change in leadership about 10-fold.
Don't think they don't want to with all their heart, I just don't see them being dumb enough to actually try to.
especially when it is against right wing turds ...akmentaljerk or George Bush. Don't get me wrong right wing conservatives have a useful purpose in my life, the thought of them helps me with my bowell movement every morning. I purge them from my system.
We really do need some dissent here. I wonder what's it going to take to get people to the streets. Unfortunately, we seem to be too lazy here.
people would only wanna watch or do so with an iphone or blackberry at their convience
They'd probably look at us like we're nuts if we refered to blackberry pies.
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Perhaps it happens all the time but the MSM doesn't report on it so nobody knows where or when to to show up.
Let's see how far to the right they go before they fall off of the edge of this flat world.
and you'll see some irate Murkins by goawd.
I think it's more people just don't care. So long as it doesn't interfere with their TV watching, driving their SUVs and eating their McDonald's and gulping down their Starbucks, people here don't care about who gets arrested and imprisoned without due process, they don't care about what constitutional right is taken from them, they don't care about how many times Big *insert industry here* and the politicians screw us over.
...phase I
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I just don't see a huge difference between the two candidates- they're both on the ballot only after being vetted by the unelected theocratic power structure. Now if Moussavi voiced support for a secular state...
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
I cannot begin to discuss their political structure in all honesty, your assistance is appreciated and welcomed. ♥
I'm just trying to reconcile the two and our relative reaction too same.
As always... Thank you for your insight and time.
Amended: "Now if Moussavi voiced support for a secular state" What are the odds? :-/
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Very, very long.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
Actually some could argue that our own two party system of candidates has been vetted by the wealthiest groups.
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;)
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Wait a minute...
against the corrupt 2 party system that acts out of the interest of corporations instead of people
recounting the votes right now.
You have to admire the youth of that country. They could be laying their lives on the line right now. I remember when America's youth had ballsback in the 60's. Now, they can't stop texting long enough to look up. They probably think Tehran is a marathon race.
"A man who views the world the same at fifty as he did at twenty has wasted thirty years of his life."....Muhammad Ali
The protesters in the 60s basically elected Reagan twice and gave us the GOP majorities. Those folks is the 60s decided that peace and love wasn't necessary when they had a little bit of money.
I fricken' hate the baby-boomer and 60s generations. They completely screwed over this country and perhaps the only justice is that a bunch of them lost their retirement money over the past 2 years.
Hypocrites. . .
careful now... your in the ballpark. :)
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Despite what you may've learned from the movies, there wasn't a clear demarcation in the 60's between the various youths, some were radical, some conservative, but probably the bulk were just trying to get through school with decent grades, avoid the draft, and get laid or married.
The radical probably remained so, although there are exceptions. I remember one, I think Abby Hoffman, worked for awhile on Wall Street.
As for the current generation, there's supposed to be less idealism, more volunteerism, but that's only if you can get them to put down their blue-tooths, laptops, i-pods etc for just a moment.
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and never voted for Raygun, but served my country and smoked pot while I was doing it. Much has been said about us , but I and like minded people were always the minority. the 60's youth that elected Raygun in the 80's is the same kind of trashy Raygun youth that voted for GW Bush in 2000. They were the Oreilly, Limbaughs,cheney ,Gw , Hannitys ,Glenn Beck, of this country. Never served a day but were willing to fight for America to the last drop of someone elses blood.
You are typical, 60's youth didn't do nuttin, I bet you say unions are bad and never did any good..while you work your 40 hrs and take your 2 weeks vacation and bitch about your employer based health insurance.
I don't know which side you are own and don't care , all I know about you for sure is you are woefully uninformed.
What makes you think GWB 's election was the first one fixed? After that dirty bastard Nixon, I don't think any 60's activists have voted republican ever. Watch your mouth, sonny, and stay off my lawn.
You don't think your opinion has been directed by the MSM, at all, do you?
I'll bet you're glad you don't live in the Ward and June Cleaver world anymore. They never even showed thier bedroom on TV-- sinful. Once I Love Lucy got on TV, we saw the bedroom, but separate beds, and someone always had to have their feet on the ground. Fun, wow.
Did you know blue jeans were a radical statement, not high-priced fashion wear?
Oh, and people actually protested Vietnam, and some got shot: they didn't just text about it.
"If the US government enforced its banking laws like it did its park regulations, we wouldn't be
in this damn park in the first place." OCCUPY.!!
Actually while I was downloading in the thinking room I realized that in the 1980's the Baby Boomers ranged from early twenties to early thirties in age. People closer to their forties and fifties and up are always the reliable voters. In other words, they were the parents of the Baby Boomers voting for ray gunn.
And then I flushed.
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I'm a boomer, and I certainly would never have voted for Raygun (if I were American). My father would have (if he were American)-- he loved the guy, and Maggie across the pond. He's 80.
"If the US government enforced its banking laws like it did its park regulations, we wouldn't be
in this damn park in the first place." OCCUPY.!!
I talk a lot of shit and till I'm bleeped , you guys have to put up with it. But if you had to smell my thoughts you would be green also. I was in Marines 67 -73 in chow line the day Kent State happened . a marine ahead of me make the remark National Guard 3 (killed) and Hippies 0 like it was a fucking baseball game. I might be wrong on the # killed but you get the gist of my statement. All 60's youth wern't hippies. Being from the South I saw the injustice of blacks getting drafted while white boy stayed home . I volunteered (being from Tennessee it came natural)and I was pissed that the black soldier that I was serving with couldn't set at the lunch counter with me. You go ahead Amin8 run your yap about something you know nothing about.
All things considered, accordingly.
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They got their crap to gossip about, their shit TV shows to watch, and their crap "music" to listen to, I wouldn't expect jack shit out of them.
I'd like to be proven wrong, but if I were to put down $10 on that bet, I may as well just buy you something to eat now.
arthritis we have from no health care.
and these people realize it. The people in Burma realized it. The people in Afganistan realized although with guns, the people in Iraq were spineless, balless acquesiencently lemmings not worthy of our sacrifice.People in America ,ooohhh I might get arrested or get my dress stained.Besides I have always said it is hard to start a revolution on a full stomach...you have to be hungry for it.
Blue dress?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/06/pol...
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with the catholic fucking church or any church whatsoever. they can have their stained glass palaces and shove them up their ass. I'll bet heaven is on a dirt road. 2nd Timothy says God does not dwell in houses of wood or stone , he dwells within us all. May Allah , Yahweh and Jehovah all and one bless and protect these young people in Iran.
Actually Origenes Adamantius taught much the same, only to have his teachings anathemized by the First Council of Nicea in 325 CE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voF2hlZalnE
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the first council gave us what we call the holy book of today, let us see this story is okay put it in and this one and this one, but not these two, they are not what we want people to believe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XzCu0nOGMI
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The New Testament was compiled between the 4th and 8th century in Byzantium, although Nicea may've triggered it. However, Nicea is the basis for the creed that bears it's name.
Funny thing, is despite all their protestations, and anti-creedal attitude on parts of lots of Protestants their beliefs are very simillar to the Nicean, Athanasian and Apostles Creed.
About the only thing they were changing was the power-structure, which has more bearing on this thread.
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All churches of any denomination ,creed, color,dogma or sexual proclivity can kiss my ass. Now the first church of Lesbos is different, I want to do the ass kissing if they would let me or at least watch them while I perform some self flaggelation for the sin of which I will say 20 hell marys.
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I like
In case your guessing, I ain't exactly religious.
The mural of the whipping was found in the ruins of Vesuvius, and was apparently a mystery rite of initiation. Modern Witches, particularly Gardnerians, tend to practice ritual scourging too, but for the most part it's not meant to bring pain.
I've been whipped for real for pleasure, and in one session took the horsewhip, the cat o'nine-tails, a riding crop and a caning.
It was a blue-light special.
Remarkable things would happen in my head; you actually become somewhat stoned on your own body chemistry.
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OK, that's enough of my ambiguity, I'll go to the corner now.
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but I have 7 different bibles , Dead Sea Scrolls, The Nag Hammadi . The Koran and books on Sufis, B'nai and 40 copies of Playboy from 1982 -90 and my favorites Joseph Campbells books on mythology.
When I'm stoned its off the green stuff. but not from my green room.
I have the Koran, the Qaballah, selections from Sephir Yetzirah, The Egyptian Book of the Dead, the Tibetian Book of the Dead, the Am Tuat, but the bulk of my books of this nature is European mythology, primarily Celtic.
My collection of magazines is Barely Legal, and Baby Face.
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thinks about this?
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john roberts?
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Dianah Ross
Haven't heard anything from Rush all day, have you.
He's busy sniffing bicycle seats behind the senior center where Poppi and Babs Bush hang out.
"Limbaugh Calls American Journalists "Stupid" & "Naïve" For Comparing Iranian Election To Florida Recount." And he's not done for the day yet.
Amusing how Iran's broken election process mirrors the fraudulent, corrupt system here in the U. S.
We (myself included) just sat on our asses when our election was stolen.
guilty too
"Oh, that couldn't happen."
I think the prevailing belief in America is something like this: once you reach the pinnacle of evolutionary democracy, it's OK to just sit on your ass and watch. We're too big to fail. Let someone else worry about it. As long as it doesn't spoil my happy little life, we're good.
(In case anyone wonders why I sometimes America-bash, re-read this. A large majority is guilty.)
"If the US government enforced its banking laws like it did its park regulations, we wouldn't be
in this damn park in the first place." OCCUPY.!!
You know, the "global economy."
What do you know about the former that makes him preferable?
They're ALL "devout" Shi'ites.
Unless the name of the supreme leader also changes, it won't matter much who's the nominal head.
if the supreme leader does change, it will mean civil war.
that won't be good...
He ran on outreaching to the Western World, toning down the enmity between the two countries, and extending some kind of rights to women.
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New testament?
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his woody is about 12 inches long
Milton Berle? :)
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There's something magnificent about hundreds of thousands of people flooding the streets, all demanding change. The fact that it's Iran makes it even more special.
my heart goes out to them. It is sad too that we take our freedoms so lightly.
And during the bush administration we gave away our freedoms so easily.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
This election will change so little, anyway.
It is nice to see people looking to demand change in the only way they can. Ali Khamenei is the true leader of Iran. Regardless of the presidency there will be no real change of policy.
The presidency in Iran has plenty of power. A moderate in the presidency would be a very welcome change.
Alas, there will always something for some people to bitch about...
every day , even a piece of meat is a welcome change. Yours is the philosophy of the west. Oh, its got to be everything or its not real change and it needs to happen now.Our Democracy is over 200 yrs old and is still having birthing pains. You make a statue one chiesl strike at a time, a stick of dynamite won't make a statue just a pile of rocks.
I really like that statement, S -- did you make it up?
I made it up. I run my mouth in here a lot. I love to vent and its good for a man my age to let things out and not keep them bottled up. If you are always looking at your feet , you never see the sky or the bird that's about to shit on your head :<)
Cool! I'll be sure to give you credit when I steal it for my own use.
If it makes you a million $ I want $5
You'll get 10% and like it.
The (Yellowcake) ;)
Will somebody please keep an eye on the "Yellowcake" :-P
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I believe I've diagnosed your dizziness claims?
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There are certain problems Horatio that are better left to the Gods
On Mt. Rushmore?
change will come to Iran. It may be small at first but the people have heard their own voices roaring by the hundreds of thousands. I can't see that they will be denied, even if it takes time.
That has to be some kind of record.
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Looks like a President's Day sale at Target. Astounding!
Hasa Diga Eebowai
Or an early Christmas Season Walmart special opening?
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They're *literally* marching toward Revolution square already. They may be *metaphorically* marching toward Revolution square. Gosh.
The Iranian people show Americans how it's done!
Freedom isn't free!!!
and these people's courage is fabulous... I'm cheering them on.
Reminds me of the crowds Bush brought out whenever he traveled abroad..........in protest.
...the Iranian elections "aren't about us."
I disagree. In Iran, it really is about us. You can see it on Juan Cole's site, Nico Pitney's space on the Huff Po or Andrew Sullivan's blog, the latter two live-blogging the post election riots that are no longer riots but a full-blown revolution. They just haven't said it yet. I have.
Looking at the level of political involvement of these brave kids in Iran makes me wonder... what the hell happened to us and why didn't we do this 8 years ago?
JP
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