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Dylan Ratigan offered up some meaning for his new catch phrase he's been using this week, describing it as

a system that takes resources from the citizenry and redistributes it to a tiny elite....a handful of weak, uncompetitive and outdated corporations and industries are purchasing control of the American political process in order to stay in business using their cronyism. It is coming at the direct expense of the rest of us, and is a total betrayal of everything that represents America.

The former host of the business channel CNBC spares no punches either in this article at the Huffington Post.

It is an interesting idea, somewhat reminiscent of the idea in economist James K. Galbraith's book The Predator State, which developed on more ideological lines. Galbraith related to Thomas Frank in the Wall Street Journal:

"The 'predator state' describes what happens when chicken coops are given over to foxes," Mr. Galbraith continued. "When consumer protection, worker protection, environmental protection, and policing against fraud are handed over to lobbyists. And when health care is run for the benefit of private insurance companies, whose business model . . . is to target coverage on the healthy and delay payments to the sick."

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Corporate communism by the Rockefellers.

aarrgho's picture

OUR Rockefeller here in West Virginia is at the forefront of pushing the Senate towards a public option (not single payer, but hey....a step in the right direction)


all it takes is all of us

Terrible's picture

on just what he considers to be a "Public Option"! It didn't take to much for the telecoms to buy him off on the telecom immunity. I expect him to support a plan that mandates buying worthless insurance from the crooks and only half-assed covering a few people with any public plan.

superluser's picture

The corporatist ideology of merging state and industry is fascism, along the lines of what Mussolini did, pure and simple.

Still, it's a good turn of phrase, I'll agree with that.

mike2's picture

But for some weird reason, we're not allowed to state the obvious... our system is structurally and ideologically closer to German fascism than to Bolshevik Communism.

That's probably because people think "fascism" equals "unthinkable horrors" and "genocide" and we couldn't be THAT bad could we? Of course Russian communism was also a genocidal monster.

The difference between "communism" and "fascism" (in the 1920s to 1950s European sense) has more to do with their respective honesty about what they were up to. Fascism was blatant, while communism was hypocritical with a huge gap between ideology and practice. In that sense, perhaps "communism" really is a good metaphor for the 21st century American kleptocracy.

Still it's a shock, and a pleasant one, to see a member of the corporate communist establishment media going in this direction. I wonder how long he'll last.

if Franco's Spain was the comparison. A virtual police state, with oligarchs and an ignorant, poorly served peasantry totally dominated by a fundamentalist religion, in this case RC to the nth degree.

Count_Slappy's picture
yo.

There'd probably be more than three comments here, if your video embed worked.

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Buford's picture

This is the REAL 'redistribution of wealth'... it's real... it's measurable... and it's dangerous and un-American.

FASCISM. No need to dumb the shit down. Let those ignint aholes wallow in their stupidity or catch up.

Blue Lensman's picture

..of the "F"-word???

miss_kitty's picture

'NAZI' to the poorly informed.

even though they looked like fascists, they talked like fascists, and they walked in lockstep like fascist. They rather pretend it was them evil "commie CEOs" or something that created this mess.

Buford's picture

... no one understands what Fascism is, so we have to keep this dumbed down if we want to convince the 22% that it's bad. These are folks who think all those bad '-isms' from other countries are the same... Communism, Socialism, Marxism, Fascism, etc...

Amitola's picture

"corpora-fascists" here for quite a while, just to help the 'ism/ist'-challenged get the point.

Long ago - remember the 'robber barons' and then Ike's admonition - the corporations corrupted and took over our government. They have propagandized our populace (indeed, the whole world), distorted our values, ruined our election system, and now they are stealing every last dime.

Too bad we have to have TV personalities as the only ones trying to speak some truth to power.


"Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of Stupidity" - Frank Leahy

Tyler Durden's picture

you corporate toady a**hole. You guys broke it, you guys own it. F*ck you for trying to play disingenuous word games now that it is all too obvious that your shortsighted greedy MO has collapsed onto itself. Not long ago this guy was one of the loudest cheerleaders for this whole hubris when he was @ CNBC

These a**holes can't help themselves and being disingenuous to the end.

LiberalStu's picture

Thanks for the heads up about the tool.

the loudest, now pretend to be all for "populism" only because they figured their previous brand is tainted beyond repair, so they think their new found "concern" is going to sell better.

Just like Ari Fleischer (sp?) now goes around acting all concerned about "out of control government spending and debt" when a few years ago, he was echoing Cheney's "deficits don't matter" meme. Never mind that if we are in the hole we are in, it is because of the administration he was part of.

It is maddening, now all of the sudden there are no more "republicans" they all became "independent concerned conservatives" over night. Pretending they have nothing to do with this mess.

ronnie dobbs's picture

is a dog that will hunt.

run that baby!

right on_exclamation point here's picture

About time someone called a spade a spade... although I do agree with other posters it's more fascist than it is communist. Regardless, I'll take anyone calling out the effin' elite for what they are... greedy ba$tards who want the rest of us working for them. Eff that noise!!

Alice X - Chomsky Nader's picture

I have seen the video elsewhere.

This is absolutely counter productive.

What we have is Crony Capitalism, why try to outdo Jonah Golberg for silliness (and stupidity) in confusing mutually exclusive terms?

The purpose of coining a phrase is to improve comprehension, not confuse it.

Capitalism/Corporatism and communism, even the State Communism of the Bolsheviks are mutually exclusive by definition. Ultimately the State Capitalists and the State Communist turn to authoritarian regimes, but that is no reason to confuse the underlying aspects.

For a useful discussion on the nature of state communism consider Noam Chomsky The Soviet Union Versus Socialism here

For a discussion of our current situation as predicted by Marx and Lenin consider:

Too Big to Live by Niall Ferguson (pdf) here

The sequence of events described above provided a belated vindication for one of the central tenets of Marxism-Leninism. It was the German Social Democrat theorist Rudolf Hilferding whose 1910 book Finanzkapital predicted that increasing concentration of financial capital would lead ultimately to crisis, followed by the socialization of the banking system. The idea appealed to Lenin, who recycled it in his Imperialism: The Stage of Capitalism. Here is how Lenin put it:

As banking develops and becomes concentrated in a small number of establishments, the banks grow from modest middlemen into powerful monopolies at their command almost the whole of the money capital of all the capitalists and small and also the larger part of the means of production and sources of raw materials in any country and in a number of countries. This transformation of numerous modest middlemen into a handful of monopolists is one of the fundamental processes in the growth of capitalism into capitalist imperialism. ... Scattered capitalists are transformed into a single collective capitalist. ... banks greatly intensify and accelerate the process of concentration of capital and the formation of monopolies in all capitalist countries, notwithstanding all the differences in their banking laws. ...

In other words, the old capitalism, the capitalism of free competition ... is passing away. A new capitalism has come to take its place, bearing obvious features of something transient, a mixture of free competition and monopoly. The question naturally arises: into what is this new capitalism “developing”?

The answer? A financial oligarchy, which is precisely what we have.

That was Lenin predicting it one hundred years ago.

While I appreciate some the things Dylan Ratigan has to say and his recent interview with Elizabeth Warren found here. This is bullshit.


statusquObama, change you can only pretend in

syborg's picture

While I agree the phrase isn't exactly accurate, I'd ask you to consider the possibility that you may be over estimating the intelligence of the average american. I believe the Dems tend to over complicate an issue to their detriment. They absolutely need easily repeatable catch phrases like the ones the GOP is so good at spreading. Corporate communism is certainly close enough to the truth and has the intended effect IMO. I would think you're smart enough to see that the MSM doesn't do well with smart, complicated issues, and needs to be spoon fed easily digestible sound bits that actually help OUR side for a change!

Alice X - Chomsky Nader's picture

I am not a not a Democrat, I am a socialist.

Corporate Communism is an utterly absurd term.

The Mainstream Media is the Corporate Media.

Consider Orwell rolls in his grave here

Download here

The dominant Corporations are the Media Conglomerates. They OWN the country.

That is problem number one.


statusquObama, change you can only pretend in

syborg's picture

Like I said, I agree, but do you see my point? I think you have to be a realist and try and work the existing system to your benefit instead of wishing it was all completely different. People are STUPID and Frank Luntz has proven that simple phrases like this WORK.

savannah43's picture

where do you go from there?

syborg's picture

You go to the doctor, paid for by a decent public option instead of giving the insurance companies and big pharma another huge payday?

syborg's picture

Oh, I know that what you were saying, but we really need to win this issue, and thinking in complicated, abstract arguements doesn't help us when the other side is flush with money and bullshit like "death panels"...

If we're going to use an -ism, may as well use the correct one.

Is that too much to ask?

Tyler Durden's picture

... is it?

Alice X - Chomsky Nader's picture

Stop watching your TV, it is propaganda and Frank Luntz is the Joseph Goebbels of the MSM.

The Democrats are utterly complicit in this Corporate Capture.

People are not as stupid as you suggest but they have been successfully force fed Corporate Propaganda for going on one hundred years.

Consider these clips from the work of the late (d 1988) Australian sociologist Alex Carey

The first and so far only scientifically drawn study of the history of the corporate war on democracy.

CORPORATIONS AND PROPAGANDA

The Attack on Democracy

Part 1 - history through WWII

Part 2 - history after WWII

Mariah Gilardian at TUC radio (user supported) here, produced the clips.


statusquObama, change you can only pretend in

Teddy Phufner's picture

I agree completely with triple triangle. There is an obsession in this country to denigrate anything "communist" while "capitalism" is revered even among the left, as can be plainly seen in how both Wall Street and the health care have gone with a Democratic Congress and White House. The fact is when you have an elite control resource distribution, you are going to have fascism, whether it be Soviet-style "communism" or US style "capitalism".

To continue to fuel this misnomer is counter-productive in the long term, it's feeding into exactly what the right has used for power grabs, namely label than lie, and is exactly what the powers-that-be want, a red herring so as to avoid people becoming informed about what is really going on. We need to build a movement that educates how important it is to make structural changes to our institutions which control and allocate resources. By calling corporate America "communists" we are simply perpetuating the false dichotomy which has lead to imperialist intentions and wars, is destroying our economy, and destroying our planet.

Alice X - Chomsky Nader's picture

Liberals are Capitalists who think to improve the system by tinkering at the edges.

In this country they are mistakenly called the 'left'.

I want to replace Capitalism.


statusquObama, change you can only pretend in

syborg's picture

Thats not going to happen. You might as well bang your head against a brick wall. I will try and get something done that for once doesn't funnel even more money to the richest 1%. You need to read Sun Tzu's The Art of War.

Alice X - Chomsky Nader's picture

Not funneling any more money to the top 1% is something we can agree entirely.

Study my links. I will look up Sun Tzu.


statusquObama, change you can only pretend in

Tyler Durden's picture

... I think you are confusing neo-liberalism with liberals/progressives.

I agree, that expressing political ideologies in terms of left/right tends to remove a lot of the confusion.

Alice X - Chomsky Nader's picture

I am using the term 'Liberal' as Marx used it.


statusquObama, change you can only pretend in

Blue Lensman's picture

Once again we've aptly demonstrated the problem with those seeking change from the left. We sit around discussing philosophical nuances while the corporate media and their right-wing toadies are out there flogging the masses.

Terrible's picture

100%

It's as if Americans have become too dumb to understand English and now people like Ratigan feel they have to dumb them down even further to make what should be a simple obvious point.

of standards, but we also start enforcing them.

The whole "the American people are too dumb" is a self fulfilling prophecy. If you assume people are dumb, and act accordingly, don't be surprised if people indeed become dumber. We need to make stupidity something to be ashamed of, not something to embrace and support.

And frankly, Fascism is as tainted as Communism. Neither the old "evil empire" or Nazi Germany have any sort of good images on the psyche of the American people. So assuming we have to go by the communist angle is f*cking stupid, when Fascism is the correct term, and it is equally as tainted.

syborg's picture

Thanks for calling me fuc*ing stupid, thats really productive. I think you're living in a fantasy land and dont see the world the way it really is. I'm sure the people you hang with and talk to to are quite smart, as are my friends, but believe me, there's a whole universe of brain dead, drooling morons out there that unfortunatly have just as much voting power as we do and I think its SMARTER to deal with reality instead of some future fantasy world.

ricky's picture

Next he will guess your educational level, psychoanalyze you, correct your facts and grammar, then finally guess your weight.


"Folks, this is not your father's Republican Party."
Joe Biden

Tyler Durden's picture

What do you want me to say?

ricky's picture

to be pointy and potentially damaging to my snarky bits. Which is not to deny you look spiffy in them.
No necessarily cool, like Chuck Taylor All Stars, but
spiffy.


"Folks, this is not your father's Republican Party."
Joe Biden

Tyler Durden's picture

so chances are that the one with the pointy shoes (I think youse guys call them "boots") is you.

I own a few pairs of Chuck Taylors though.

ricky's picture

"manly" footwear. Mine are under two decades of dust at the back of my closet next to my Willie Nelson albums. My son's Chuck Taylors have Jim Morrison on them.


"Folks, this is not your father's Republican Party."
Joe Biden

Floridiot's picture

of Danners that I up-chucked on at one time or another, does that count?

ricky's picture

boots or how often you chirped on em.
Seems to me you already counted the former.
Three.


"Folks, this is not your father's Republican Party."
Joe Biden

moonsha's picture

I was born and raised in Texas, but I have never owned a pair of cowboy boots. The ones with points are commonly referred to as cockroach killers.

he wore pointy boots to kick em in the corners."


"Folks, this is not your father's Republican Party."
Joe Biden

Tyler Durden's picture

Strawmen are best left in the fields IMHO.

ricky's picture

much to her chagrin. Betsy Mc too.


"Folks, this is not your father's Republican Party."
Joe Biden

Taarak's picture

Though "Corporate Communism" is an oxymoron, and "Corporate Fascism" is redundant, the meanings being ascribed to these terms are both outside historical context. Like the term “Liberal”, its meaning is misconstrued by most that use it.

Does this sound bite help the dialog? Maybe, but not much.

sundog's picture

"The purpose of coining a phrase is to improve comprehension, not confuse it."

I agree.

What's with all the weird pairing of terms? Throwing words around that are totally made up may put a Media Pundit on the map, but does it really clarify the already existing arguments? I think it can muddy up the waters. People that aren't well versed in Politics or Economics will get Teabagger Neurosis -- a condition where one believes Fascism, Socialism, Communism are all the same, and becomes each -ism's slippery slope.

Having the Hammer & Sickle embedded in the word "Corporate" is truly nihilistic, and is just plain weird. Black is White, and White is Black. The kissing cousin to "false equivalencies" in media. Confuse the issue by shotgun marrying "polar opposites."

sundog's picture

We can all agree that State Communism and Corporate Oligarchy both produce a similar result -- the damaging and reduction of Democracy.

As John Kenneth Galbraith clarified for us,

"Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite."

Alice X - Chomsky Nader's picture

Following up my initial comment.

The standard ploy of the Corporate Propagandist is to annihilate meaning in language. Orwell understood and wrote of this. Double think, using mutually exclusive terms together.

James Galbraith in Predator State describes the subversion of public service by private interests. Where the government, which should be protecting the citizens against predators, is captured by predators that cause the government to protect them from the citizens.

Thomas Frank (The Wrecking Crew, q.v.) writes in the WSJ that Grassley has misconstrued Galbraith's work. I think he understands it very well. He is doing precisely what Orwell described, he is employing Newspeak.

So is Dylan Ratigan employing Newspeak. I have yet to understand if he is a Corporate Propagandist mole, a nincompoop or what. He is employed by the Corporate Media and that is an enormous strike against right away.


statusquObama, change you can only pretend in

Taarak's picture

Annihilate meaning” is exactly correct. The purpose of Double-Speak in 1984 was not to confuse meaning and thereby control discourse, it was to eliminate meaning entirely and thereby make discourse impossible.

Very astute.

Tyler Durden's picture

is that some of the posters were reeling against some of us who were pointing that out.

savannah43's picture

He is a tool. Of whom, is the question that remains unanswered. I could guess, but it will be better if he reveals himself.

Terrible's picture

the more wealthy the man that employees it.

Evet's picture

1. Government by the wealthy.
2. A wealthy class that controls a government.
3. A government or state in which the wealthy rule.

When that breaks down then we'll have full fledged FASCISM.

miss_kitty's picture
um

we already HAVE fascism.

Evet's picture

not quite full blown yet. When Joe the Plumber wins the Republican ticket to run against a Dem then we'll have to worry about real Fascism.

Evet's picture

During the course of the last three decades a small group of people have changed laws, tweaked those left unchanged, emasculated attempts at regulating their actions, created falsely based wars and a fictional economy. In the process they transferred an unprecedented share of wealth from 95% of us to the top 5%, themselves. A false economy was created in which people were paid incredible sums for producing nothing more than imaginary money. Then the house of cards started a full on collapse and that 95% was forced at gunpoint to go in debt to bail the 5% out. It is time for reparations.

It is time that the 5% and all the others who gained obscene wealth and profit during this period to repair the consequences of their greed. Most retain significant portions of that wealth and now chant "no new taxes" at the rest of us as though it were a political philosophy instead of the rape and pillage of us that it is in truth.

I won't argue it was done illegally, for the top accumulators of wealth make the laws, so they don't need to act illegally when they steal from our pockets. They just make it legal to do so.

But I will argue that the repair of our economy should come from their pockets, not ours. Yes, we are owed reparations for the moral crime of theft from the poor and middle classes. Yes, some us are complicit in that we bought into the fantasy of gaining money by what amounts to gambling, but most of us have nothing to show for it but ruined credit, lost jobs and foreclosure notices.

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/19883/print

Cat Atomic's picture

Corporate Communism, more commonly known as fascism.

Still, I think he's coined an excellent phrase here. It'll really get under the skin of the right people.

Handypants's picture

When torches and pitchforks are necessary.


"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that!
" ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )

Loki's picture

Was gonna save this for the next Glenn Beck idiocy. But....

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1920279

Spelling & Glenn Beck = Twilight Zone

Tyler Durden's picture

that by wearing Chuck Taylor's with their swanky business suit, it somehow makes them automatically "cool?"

but wears them for the good fit and comfy feeling with which they provide his feet. You might be right about the other old white squares.


"Folks, this is not your father's Republican Party."
Joe Biden

golden joe's picture

Corporate communism and its control over the FDA/CDC is what is behind the hype and push of the H1N1 vaccine.

How much money has our tapped out government spent on the H1N1 vaccination program that they are now promoting like The George Foreman grill in all major media? "Take your H1N1 shots now and we'll throw in a seasonal flu shot with another 25 mcg of mercury for FREE!" According to the New York Times, Public health officials are seeing a high level of natural immunity. That's good news. No one wants to see Americans die from this flu or any other, or experience problems from a vaccine which may turn out to be unneccesary.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/08/health/08fl...

Many people died then from the defective vaccine, and the flu never did show up. Don't take my word for it. Research it yourselves, doubters.

If millions of people start dropping like flies, I assume some people in this forum who were anti-vaccination will be at the forefront bitching about why the gov did not vaccinate people. And the vaccine is successful in lessening the expected dead toll, then they will bitch about what was the hoopla all about.

cried "wolf" too many times. I don't have a solution to this. I just think people should be able to make an informed decision about it.

Tyler Durden's picture

that medical procedures like vaccination will have percentages of adverse effects because human physiology is not constant and/or standard for everyone.

The question is about risk management: Is it better to have a few thousands of people perish due to vaccination worldwide, or let the pandemic go unchecked and have orders of magnitude more people die from that.

The anti-vaccination camp tends to be heralded by people with passing medical knowledge (at best) for the most part. If I have to decide between Pasteur and Jenny McArthy, I am not going to think twice when it comes to listen to the medical advice of someone whose only achievement in life seems to have been the correct choice of breast implants.

Mike in Milwaukee's picture

Overall, there were 1098 cases of Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS) recorded nationwide by CDC surveillance, 532 of which were linked to the NIIP vaccination, resulting in death from severe pulmonary complications for 25 people, which, according to Dr. P. Haber, were probably caused by an immunopathological reaction to the 1976 vaccine. Other influenza vaccines have not been linked to GBS, though caution is advised for certain individuals, particularly those with a history of GBS. [33] [34][35] Still, as observed by a participant in the immunization program, the vaccine killed more Americans than the disease did.[36]

This is your idea of many?

In total, 48,161,019 Americans, or just over 22% of the population, had been immunized.

savannah43's picture

I don't remember it that way. I remember the hype from vaccine purveyors, and all the scaremongering that went on. Now, it seems to me, here it is again. Can I get a cite for your data? I'd like to read it.

Mike in Milwaukee's picture

Are over at wiki.

savannah43's picture

.

savannah43's picture

about '76. http://www.capitalcentury.com/1976.html It seems like a fair assessment. It kind of covers both of our opinions, but ends by coming down on the pro vaccination side.

Mike in Milwaukee's picture

I think the problem is the hype. If adults could be responsible enough to elevate facts surrounding these issues we'd be way better off.

E_I's picture

kleptocracy or kleptarchy myself.

syborg's picture

Maybe a phrase that 1% of the public understands isn't such a good idea.

Alice X - Chomsky Nader's picture

The term Kleptocracy describes the situation well.


statusquObama, change you can only pretend in

ricky's picture

KKKan't use it. Konfusing.


"Folks, this is not your father's Republican Party."
Joe Biden

Artist formerly known as gempei's picture
Sahar In the Morning's picture

Send an Invitation to talk.... let John Boehner know there's 200 million Americans he says can't find to talk about health care in his 'Murkistan.

http://yarmuthforcongress.com/boehnerinvitation

Mike in Milwaukee's picture

His equating communism with fascism is exactly the type of political distortion the tea-baggers and their sympathizers are practicing. Of course I appreciate the attack on the corruption, I don't believe his sincerity however, coming from one of the leading propagandist channels on the dial (CNBC).

Keep it up Dylan, atone for your sins.

Crony capitalism is a pejorative term describing an allegedly capitalist economy in which success in business depends on close relationships between businesspeople and government officials. It may be exhibited by favoritism in the distribution of legal permits, government grants, special tax breaks, and so forth.

Crony capitalism is believed to arise when political cronyism spills over into the business world; self-serving friendships and family ties between businessmen and the government influence the economy and society to the extent that it corrupts public-serving economic and political ideals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crony_capitalism

Yellowbird's picture

What is being described here is FASCISM. Where the corporations own the state and turn the people into slaves. Ever feel like a slave when you can't take a day off and you're so tired you can't make love to your mate anymore? Well, that's stage one.

I think this guy must not be very smart if he has to use sweet little new names, like "crony capitalism" or "Corporate Communism". He must in fact be retarded. The word we are all looking at is FASCISM.

This is what it is. Combine it with an insane racist dictator and you get Nazi Germany. We are only one election away from THAT. So make sure you DON'T MISS ANY MID TERM ELECTIONS FOLKS. OR WE WILL BECOME NAZI GERMANY AND THE REST OF THE WORLD WILL COME DOWN ON OUR HEADS. America will look like Europe after WWII.

if that mean, mean Mr. Ratigan had just said "snark."

Maybe if he had called it "Conservative Corporate Communism" a few people might have slapped their heads and said, "Oh, I get it." He is not attacking the revered (to some) theoretical musings of nineteenth century thinkers and early 20th century revolutionaries.
He is attacking American business leaders by satirizing them as heirs to the bloated bureaucrats atop the failed Soviet state late last century.

But then the Grammar Police would then have to spend time hunting and
ticketing trolls.

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"Folks, this is not your father's Republican Party."
Joe Biden

syborg's picture

I agree with everyone who says that it isn't an accurate term, but I'd ask you to consider the possibility that you may be over estimating the intelligence of the average american. Even fascism is (sadly)to much for most average americans to understand. I believe the Dems tend to over complicate an issue to their detriment. They absolutely need easily repeatable and catch phrases like the ones the GOP and Frank Luntz are so good at spreading. Corporate communism is certainly close enough to the truth and has the intended effect IMO. I would most here are smart enough to see that the MSM doesn't do well with smart, complicated issues, and needs to be spoon fed easily digestible sound bits that actually help OUR side for a change...
Just keep saying it over and over and over ad nauseum!!!!

degree to which corporations are running our country. He can call it whatever he wants as long as he keeps at it. Thank you Mr. Ratigan!!

but surely you don't want to defend corporate communists controlling America today, DO YOU?


"Folks, this is not your father's Republican Party."
Joe Biden

Tyler Durden's picture

... until one day you wake up, and liberalism is a dirty word, Unions have a worse image than the Mafia, and we don't even dare celebrate Labor Day on the proper day for fear of looking too "commie."

So let's go along with the branding that the latest corporate toadie just came up with, and lest run away with it. Hey we got a crumb from a former CNBC cheerleader! We should be ever so happy!

giving liberalism as bad name? Or is it trying to do to conservatives what Jonah Goldgberg did to liberals?


"Folks, this is not your father's Republican Party."
Joe Biden

Tyler Durden's picture

... when there is an exact term that describes to a T the current situation: corporatism (aka Fascism).

Just because a moron like Jonah Goldberg goes around using mutually exclusive terms for his books, does not mean we have to engage in the same behavior.

Cowicide's picture

corporate communism is a nice term I think that helps smack conservatives in the face who always scream about socialism and call everyone on the left "communists". Don't know why on Earth the term gets your panties all in a bunch.

Tyler Durden's picture

It is not as much as there are existing terms which capture the current situation better, without having to resort to schizo naming schemes. But the fact that this jackass was one of the loudest cheerleaders of all this hubris when he was at CNBC.

It is the reeking hypocrisy that I have an issue with.

Mike in Milwaukee's picture

Dylan Ratigan is not to be trusted after all his cheerleading on CNBC

Texas legislator red-baited by a scientist comparing his creationist propoals to the Soviet dictation of science in the 1950's. It was fun to watch him melt in sputtering anger ( if you don't mind my using the strawman being lit afire by the witch analogy again.)


"Folks, this is not your father's Republican Party."
Joe Biden

No, seriously. If he didn't have money backing him, no one would ever have heard of him.

gave me the impression of someone with far more integrity than the average CNBC cheerleader. I see him as a true believer in capitalism in the purest sense, i.e., not just using it as a way to line his own pockets.

I think using "Corporate Communism" waters down the meaning of both corporations and communism in the pure sense; it implies a failed kind of communism AND failed corporations/capitalism. I don't think it's a big deal. I see the bigger story as a corporate cheerleading kind of guy having an epiphany that the system is crooked, turning against it, and having the courage to call them (many no doubt who are his former associates) out on it.

and capitalist true believer, he's influencing Wall Street more than main street. And the worst thing you can call them is a Communist. So he may be using the word as a strategic device and to have to most impact with those he hopes to influence.

Alice X - Chomsky Nader's picture

I think it is double-think, Newspeak as per Orwell.

My previous comment here


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Cowicide's picture

This guy is going around saying he coined the term "corporate communism". Not even remotely true, you can easily google it and see that he just ganked it from udders.

I used the term probably over a decade ago and here and there since.

Plus, wasn't this idiot just another big CHEERLEADER for corporate communism up until now?

Glad this moron finally came around to some degree, but it's too little... TOO LATE. And quit acting like you invented the term "corporate communism" you ass.

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a cud is still a satisfying chew.


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is a ridiculous term to those who understand poli sci and/or history.

But if we're trying to get an idea across to the average American, Corporate Communism might do nicely.

Fascism is a term that is poorly understood by most people - especially because we live in a fascist economic state.

Most people understand Communism = Taking my money away and giving it to freeloaders; they have used that as propaganda to scare us for years in the cold war.

I think that use of the term "Corporate Communism" will serve. People who know better can use this as a "teachable moment" and add, "Corporate Communism aka fascism.

Language changes over the years. I think that this is useful. I'd rather see "correct" terminology used, but until I get my own news hour Corporate Communism will suffice.

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But if we're trying to get an idea across to the average American, Corporate Communism might do nicely.

Exactly. End of discussion.

Tyler Durden's picture

If we are going for the marketing angle, let's do it with a much current meme: "Corporate Terrorist"

Far more pizzaz me thinks.

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I think that it might be easier for people to make the jump of understanding, again, with the idea that Communism= some incompetent schmoe GETS MY HARD EARNED MONEY!

But all of this "too big to fail" crap is exactly as you say:corporate terrorism via shock doctrine.

Tyler Durden's picture

... my point of not buying this whole "communist" meme is the choice of bogeyman. There are plenty to chose from, many (if not most of them) far more apropos to the current situation than this silly crap. Without having to resort to obvious doublespeak.

Even if it is, well, so "ought." Gotta build that bridge to the second decade of the twenty first century!!!!

In defense of Ratigan, 50's is more modern that 40's.


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Thu, 10/08/2009 - 11:26 — Tyler Durden

If we are going for the marketing angle, let's do it with a much current meme: "Corporate Terrorist"

Far more pizzaz me thinks.
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Terrible's picture

also. Or "Corporate Rapists" would be as good. The problem with the corporatists like Ratigan throwing around communism in conjunction with corporations is that you just know once it's in the common vocabulary that they're going to turn around and say all this corporate criminal shenanigans are a left wing thing. You just wait and see if they don't! Hell Rush probably won't be able to wait and will be screaming just that next week.

ricky's picture

Cow. Rush, Beck, Golbeg and Hannity. The Pep Squad for the Politburo running Americccp, Inc.


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constituent's picture

i appreciate semantics but i also appreciate dylan speaking about the relationship of corporation/global financial elites and government. i'm constantly hearing from right wingers government is at fault for everything. don't forget the dirty corporatists that use non-competitive/social programs and tax payers' monies for their business model(s).

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Fuck. Don't apologize. It's an excellent term.

We've needed a neologism (like the right invents continually to dominate the sound bites), to tar this predatory, despicable system we all suffer under. Corporate Communism is the perfect name.

You should get an emmy just for coming up with it.

ricky's picture

George Bush Jr. will be seen as Brezhnev to dear leader Ronnie's Lenin. It is a shame he let the Shining City crash into the sea at the hands of corporate politburo and their talk show puppeteers.


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RowdyGuy's picture

I am so in love with this man... I feel a tingling up my leg when I listen to him.

We need more of his kind.
...Rowdy!

oldretire's picture

Attention you of the Racist Nazi Christian (RNC), Hate Mongering Socialist Right Wing Wacko Party, we are coming to roost, oh yeah! I teaching my grand-children to spit on anyone that claims they are a wacko republican, this is great, when we see the Faux Anti American imitation NitWit Noise network I have them yelling Nazi, Comminist. Oh and I am saving all these Hate mongering clips for your re election bids you pieces of SCUM and TRASH because when a Nazi Racist Christian (RNC) representative trys to tell me how bad this Administration and Congress is I have the proof from your own Hate Mongering Anti American mouths.
You support a Talking Monkey bush who destroyed our economic system, then embrace a Spineless, Gutless, Coward and American TRAITOR cheney and hail this piece of GARBAGE as good.

Mr.Ratigan please get with keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow and lets shut these Socialist Communist Nazi, Anti American scum up, also push push push for the Investigations guys the time is running and the PUKES on the right are keeping us distracted. Lets put them in JAIL. (for the idiot brain dead right no corrections will be made we understand you have to have one of your inbred family members attempt to read this to you).

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You are writing in Newspeak.


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leland61's picture

They aren't talking about "communism" in any sense of what that word means. What they are talking about is fascism - the combination of private corporations and the government designed to fleece and control the masses.

My god!!! no wonder people are confused in this country when ignoramuses like this start using words that mean one thing in a context where they make no sense at all. Do they not know that actual "communism" never existed in Russia, China, Cuba, etc? These are all countries which embraced state capitalism.

Talking heads and dumb as shit as well.

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