AZ Truck driver forced to show birth certificate claims racial-profiling
The shape of things to come? Sure looks like it. And this incident happened before Gov. Jan Brewer signed the SB1070 into law on Friday. Video and story from AzFamily.com.
PHOENIX – A Valley man says he was pulled over Wednesday morning and questioned when he arrived at a weigh station for his commercial vehicle along Val Vista and the 202 freeway.
Abdon, who did not want to use his last name, says he provided several key pieces of information but what he provided apparently was not what was needed.
He tells 3TV, “I don't think it's correct, if I have to take my birth certificate with me all the time.”
3TV caught up with Abdon after he was released from the Immigration and Customs Enforcement office in central Phoenix. He and his wife, Jackie, are still upset about what happened to him.
Jackie tells 3TV, “It's still something awful to be targeted. I can't even imagine what he felt, people watching like he was some type of criminal.”
Abdon was told he did not have enough paperwork on him when he pulled into a weigh station to have his commercial truck checked. He provided his commercial driver’s license and a social security number but ended up handcuffed.
An agent called his wife and she had to leave work to drive home and grab other documents like his birth certificate.
Jackie explains, “I have his social security card as well and mine. He's legit. It's the first time it's ever happened.”
Both were born in the United States and say they are now both infuriated that keeping important documents safely at home is no longer an option
A perfect example of Nazi Arizona
Politics is ugly
Read Solzhenitsyn ..... this is right up there with the more oppressive moves by the Totalitarianista type Communists. You couldn't go anywhere without permission or papers. Always the papers.
The first step the Nazis took was to change the form of identification to indicate "Jew" which they had to carry with them at all times. They felt that that wasn't enough to distinguish them from the rest of the population so they decided to make them all where YELLOW STARS on armbands. Of course that wasn't quite enough so they decided to go to the Final Solution.
Making US CITIZENS (with darker complections) carry around their birth certificate so they can prove they are not "illegal" is just the FIRST step on the road to out-and-out Facism.
"It's a floorwax!"
"No, It's a dessert topping!"
"No! It's a foor wax!"
"No, It's a dessert topping!"
"Your both right..it's a floorwax and a dessert topping!"
It's totalitarianism, in the form of an internal passport. It doesn't matter what the flavor it's all the same and it's all bad. It's a way to create a class of scapegoats, while creating an excuse to abuse them at the hands of the state.
If the Arizona law enforcement enforces this law, they will be earning the name "Pig". Law enforcement is supposed to protect and serve not harrass and abuse. Law enforcement has a moral obligation not to enforce unjust laws. It's the difference between being law enforcement and thug enforcers.
Notice how you can't spell ArIZoNa without NAZI...
This incident occured before the law was even signed by the Governor.
While it allegedly happened in Arizona, there is no mention that anyone from the state of Arizona was involved. It doesn't mean there was not, it just means many are leaping to a conclusion, then throwing out terms like Nazi at a state.
The agency which required the birth certificate to release the man was the Federal immigrationn authority.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
just google it...
I could understand it, if he was crossing the border, but it seems in AZ you can check anyone anywhere in the state. Remember the story about the crazy priest, Steve Anderson?
If a driver's license and social security number aren't enough to keep you from getting handcuffed, then I don't know what the US is coming to - sounds like a police state to me. To call it Nazism or Fascism may be going a little too far, but it's definitely a step in that direction.
INS (or ICE) do NOT operate truck weigh stations! Those are typically run by the State Police. So, he was arrested by the State Police for not having enough identification and turned over to INS who RELEASED him.
Plus, more importantly than the birth certificate request, it is against federal law to ask for a SSN as a form of identification. It ISN'T a form of identification!
So I'd say YES, your comment is a perfect example of blog commentary stupidity. Thanks for labeling it correctly.
The question that has to be asked is. "Would a truck driver named Bob Johnson, with fair skin and blond hair, be asked for the same proof and treated the same way when he failed to produce it?"
What about foreign tourist that visit Arizona? What do they have to show?
..but still not a defense of the az law. I don't believe its illegal to not be in direct possession of your passport in the USA when visiting, i.e., it can be in your hotel safe but not necessarily on you when walking about.
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Even Brit Hume acknowledges that there is no way to enforce this law without an inevitable civil rights violation.
Not only is this unreasonable to demand a person's birth certificate, but it proves nothing. It's not illegal to be born in another country. It's not illegal to be born in another country and drive. A foreign birth certificate does not prove illegal alien-ship.
Unless we (and AZ) are prepared to require all people in America (citizens, visitors, immigrants, illegal-immigrants, tourists, etc.) to carry a portfolio of documents at all times (e.g. a quick run to the store to get diapers) this law is unenforceable.
Apparently driving while foreign is now a crime in AZ. Really, driving without all of your most important, expensive and time consuming to procure documents is illegal. Do you have to be driving to have your "papers" demanded by a police officer? Or can they stop you on the street? Or in a store? Silliness.
At our local community recycling center, you need a valid California license in order to redeem cans and bottles for their redemption value. I always thought this was ridiculous, since many homeless don't have ID's.
recently when I returned a bag of aluminum cans. I suspect that it could have been different if I returned a bunch of scrap copper pipe though.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
taking the cans and bottles ,urrrp, out of the dumpster thets my turitury. How they think a reguuler citisen to make a livin.
to require a license (birth certificate next most likely) to redeem cans and bottles is the height of insanity.
An appropriate protest would be to dump them on the property of what ever fascist government body mandated that--city hall, county, state. Give THEM the bottles back, without ID.
Round one!
This fight won't go 6 rounds.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
Good one! I'm going to use that and claim it's mine! ;-)
by identity thieves to occur if Hispanics are now going to carry birth certificates in their vehicles.
Who in their right mind would keep their birth certificate in their vehicle (wallet?) if they didn't have to?
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
We all know how hard it is to get another one if you lose it.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
People don't believe it's legitimate (vis a vis Obama). /snark/
But seriously, we were stopped by the border police in Arizona last year. At the time we didn't think anything of it, despite the fact that we are not Latino (we are dark-haired, however). It will be a cold day in hell before I would ever spend another tourist dollar there!!!
...if you have to carry your birth certificate everywhere, that makes you WIDE OPEN to identity theft.
Hell, banks will tell you never to carry your social security card with you, to leave it at home or in a safe deposit box, They know, because they lose millions to identity crimes.
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Well, this AZ law could become the catalyst for the FEDs to push through the Federal ID program. Remember they were trying this several years ago. I don't know if they gave up or not, but several states would not go along with the program.
So a social security card isn't federal id enough?
No picture with shiny rainbows and microchips. That numbers just good for pulling taxes out of you. In twenty years I doubt it will be any good for collecting Social Security or medicare.
Killing two birds and all.
in your glovebox? Why not?
Of course, I'm NOT advocating this ridiculous directive. Just finding ways around it until it's just another bad spot in our history.
Compared to the rest of the Western world, Americans are less likely to have passports.
That aside, no one should have to show papers in order to travel from place to place, especially not within the borders of one's home country.
We have a long tradition of considering unrestricted travel in-country a right, not a privilege, yet we keep returning to useless authoritarian solutions to our complex concerns.
See my comment above.
So when we are pulled over we need the following documents:
1) State issued driver's license
2) Vehicle registration
3) Proof of Insurance
4) Birth Certificate
5) Passport
6) Proof of health insurance?
Did I miss any? If you get pulled over while walking, you still need four out of six.
my "habitual drug offender" card in OC as well.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
I just renewed my marijuana RX and I'm supposed to get a card from the city, so I suppose I would have to show them that to explain why I'm stoned all the time.
I guess that's my local "Habitual drug consumer" card.
for my methamphetamine consumption...
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
It's called Desoxyn. Look it up. Methamphetamine is technically considered a less "dangerous" drug than marijuana by the FDA. Go figure.
certificate signed by Ben Stein and proof your student laons were paid off. That's if you are walking or driving.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
signed by Ben Stein got deleted?
(The system thinks it was spam. We're working on it. SM.)
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
violation of service? or is it the goofy actor/announcer associated with same that is verbotten?
Update: OK, comment number one is back in so I guess it was the anti-spam software being as aggressive as an alien spotting Arizona
Law & Oath Keeper Officer.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
or devices used to hold back flood waters anymore either.
/Congress = Slaveowner
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Don't feel too bad ricky. My instant rimshot was blocked earlier, and the missing link took all the effect out of my otherwise pithy reply.
to go with our hawaiian major disappointment president so they can recognize spam by taste rather than looks.
bad lookin, after all, is what will get you in trouble in arizona and verse viceroy.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
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I'm not sure a Driver License will do... lots of undocumented aliens have driver licenses.
You also forgot Green Card (if you're a legal Resident Alien). Technically, all Resident Aliens are supposed to carry them on their person at all times, but few do because it is a giant pain the ass to get a new one if yours is lost or stolen.
..is going to change. You see, the terrorists ARE winning and we are becoming a nation of cowards as well as war criminals.
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A passport costs what a 100 bucks Most people who don't travel don't have one
Your elitism is showing
Politics is ugly
Didn't think about it that way.
I meant that more as a snarky remark not a chastisement
Politics is ugly
Passports cost $100 or so. That's quite a chunk of change.
Right on the SS card it says not to used as ID. Always struck me as strange.
Especially strange since it's my understanding that the military no longer assigns anyone a unique service number, but uses your SS number.
That said I'd protest a national ID as vociferously as I'd protest a measure of this sort coming to my state. I suspect it won't last past the first Anglo with a less than mayonnaise complexion being pulled over and hassled when AZ figures the cost of defending against all the lawsuits this should prompt.
Looks like you are sadly mistaken. The military quit doing that about the middle 1990's
On the older SS Cards it used to read "NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION".
That was printed underneath the signature line. The newer ones do not say that and I don't know when the change was made.
Please people... SSN card is NOT identification! It was never intended to be ID and federal law states it CANNOT be used for ID. We have to stop giving it to everyone who asks for it and stop doing business with them. (It's a law you can't get anyone to enforce)
For many years U-Haul has required a SSN to rent a truck. I refuse to do business with them for that reason. There are plenty of places to rent a truck where they don't knowingly break the law.
That was actually part of the fear by opponents of this law, that it was a backdoor attempt to get around the Arizona prohibition of joining the Real ID program. Of course, it was said by Sen. Pearce that was not the case.
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their birth certificates in order to not be arrested . . .
OMG, what about someone born in Hawaii???
Good point. Technically, no Hawaiians can visit AZ. Especially if they screened everyone equally upon entry.
Just like if you are from out side of california, especially if you only have your pass port, most bars, and Alcoholic Beverage Control, won't recognize it and you will be turned away for alcohol purchases.
A birth certificate is not enough. Just ask the president.
"Someday somebody related to some of these sufferers, these victims, these collaterally damaged souls, may try to kill you. And I have to tell you, I think you’ll have it coming." - Christopher Cooper
My point.
I wanna see Sheriff Arpaio (or whatever his name is) pull over the president and deport him from AZ when he visits. That would be a laugh riot and in keeping with the states laws.
That's a damn furrin' soundin' name. I want to see his proof of citizenship.
the birthers can have a freak out.
or a psychobilly freak out, perhaps! ;)
Call the ACLU dude. Bankrupt those fuckers.
"Someday somebody related to some of these sufferers, these victims, these collaterally damaged souls, may try to kill you. And I have to tell you, I think you’ll have it coming." - Christopher Cooper
is calling him.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
is gonna have some really big legal bills.
The Republicans are costing a fortune...
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
I wonder just how many civil rights lawsuits it's going to take to bankrupt the state of Arizona.
many.
But Arizona will lose their insurance providers very quickly. No insurance corporation will be willing to defend this madness.
Arizona is already broke, thanks to the Grover Norquist adherents in the Arizona Legislature.
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Maybe all Mexican-Americans should simply go on strike in Arizona. One week and the state would grind to a freakin' halt. As soon as the anglos realize that we're in this together, we can get back to business and stop enacting moronic legislation.
I'm all for living however you want, but these sick conservative fucks are redefining what it means to be a "real American". It's now becoming synonymous with "real jackass". If that happened to me, I'd be there at least overnight. My wife can't just up and leave her job at a moment's notice.
Of course, maybe I don't have to worry about it because my appearance wouldn't arouse "suspicion" in the brown shirts.
by cops looking for excuses to bust non-Hispanic "undesirables"-- long-hairs, suspected prostitutes, bar patrons, etc--that otherwise might not warrant being searched. (Long-haired hippie talking...)
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
in Louisiana for less.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
..that's the point! The cops now have a legal excuse to harass "undesirables".
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personally, i'm for reducing/stopping "illegal" immigration. i believe it's a net negative. having said that this arizona legislation is a set-up for abuse. sometimes i feel neither party has the will to deal with illegal immigration it's become too big to fail/stop. corporations want the "cheap labor" and the military wants enlistees.
Is to fine the ever-loving shit out of companies that hire undocumented workers.
You don't need to arrest the workers. You need to fine the company a year's management salary for every undocumented worker. When it is much more expensive to hire 'cheap' labor than to follow the law, the jobs available for illegal aliens will dry up.
No jobs, no reason to come here.
Republicans HATE this idea b/c not only would it work, but it puts the onus on the corporations and the rich while failing to demonize brown people.
some one islooking the other way when people come here illegally. they want to bring the third world here to save on shipping.
Great line! May I use it?
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NOTICE:
The Arizona Legislature goes after the person while letting the companies who violate the law, off the hook. But of course it makes sense...
... If your politics is to protect business OVER the Rights of the people.
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You are right. Why is this such a hard thing to see for conservatives? If they were really trying to stop illegal’s, this would do it in a hearth beat, much more than a half fence. However, this would not be nice to the companies making money off the illegals now would it, and we know who the conservatives support.
IRCA (the 1986 immigration law amendment) already provides fines for employers in the circumstance you describe.
Main problem is that the DOL and ICE do little to enforce it. That's because insufficient funding and political will prevent it. It doesn't mean the types of fines you are advocating for employers are not available under current law, though they are not as high or as draconian as you suggest. But if there is a pattern of such hiring, it is a criminal matter and employers can go to jail. That's politically unacceptable.
Still, the fines could easily be increased.
The dirty little secret is that big business loooooooves undocumented workers who will work for dirt doing tough, nasty work in chicken processing plants, stockyards, orchards and construction sites.
Look up Tyson Foods and Illegal workers in google.
In addition to fining the 'ever-loving shit out of companies that hire undocumented workers', how about they frog-march CEO's and human resources people to jail. Instead of arresting the workers, do a "Perp-Walk" of the management!! They are the ones breaking the law.
...hard and relentlessly. Fine a minimum of $10,000 per violation PER DAY. Hiring undocumented/illegal workers would end in a hurry I bet. If no one will hire them, they won't stay long if they are here to make money. Problem solved, and no one's rights would be violated, no one would need to be profiled, and the chance of abusing the system would be small. (Company could easily prove it had all the right paperwork at the time of hire if it kept proper employee files...if "papers" (SS card, green card, etc.) were stolen or forged it would be considered a felony and whoever did it...either working or the company or the undocumented employee/contractor would be in DEEP doodoo).
Of course, what is the chance of THAT happening?
..someone off the books has worked? Base the fee on the income of the business.
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was issued an invitation to come visit Arizona anytime.(be sure&bring the birth certificate)
And that is a scary thought. All it takes is one birther with a badge to try and arrest President Obama under this law the next time he visits Arizona and all hell will break loose.
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he wouldn't get within 10 feet of the President before the Secret Service had him in a choke hold with their knees in his back. And, that's the funny part of the whole "force Obama to show his birth certificate" charade. He is the most protected person in the country and no idiot, or idiot movement, is going to touch him.
did the sheriff get to GFY Cheney when he shot his lawyer friend in the face?
it is interesting that one of the last three states admitted to the union adopts the most draconian of measures. It was less than a 100 years ago when no one in that godforsaken place was a citizen.
Arizona was among the last three states to recognize Martin Luther King Day. The first order of business for Governor Evan Mecham in 1986 was to rescind the holiday. That led to a nasty fight. This, to me, tops that.
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who in the hell has copies of their birth certificates; not to mention the fact that i've not had a ss card for decades.
you just wait -- people are going to be disappeared into the system and packed off to who knows where with absolutely no recourse. and the frightening thing is how many americans support this.
...or love.
"I was silent when they came for my neighbors," and all that.
If I could afford it, I'd go to Arizona tomorrow to stand with these folks in the protest line.
As a brown-skinned person with dual citizenship, I am thinking about having a t-shirt made with my birth certificate on it. There has got to be something practical that the rest of us can do to show solidarity.
I was accidentally handed a green index card upon return to the US from Europe (back in 95) because they though I was a non-citizen. On it were several questions all non-US citizens had to answer. One was are you a former member of the Nazi party? Another was are you a terrorist and do you plan to commit acts of terrorism in the united states? I kid you not. I'll try and find a copy of the card and post it.
employment with the State of Texas. A friend in college applied for a position in an agency run by a statewide elected official and he was handed a list of subsversive organizations he had to swear he had never been a member of. My favorite was the Serbo-Croation Sailors League.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
And there's an I-94W as well. It's stapled into the tourist's passport on arrival in the US and removed upon departure.
A lot of other dumb questions on it, like are you, or have you ever been a member of the communist party, have you ever been arrested, yada yada...
There you go. I knew someone else had seen it. So incredibly dumb and embarrassing. This is the first piece of American logic tourists are exposed to.
Just about every form from the USCIS asks those questions, including the N-400 (Application for Naturalization).
just what terms of service did I violate with my posting. I'm getting sick and tired of being censored on this site. My posting had no vulgarity, no libelous statements and, certainly nothing that promoted illegal action. Please explain yourself.
[All Caps-Sitemonitor]
Yes but his caps had an angle for effect. He wasn't shouting. I didn't hear anything.
We would like an appeal.
Oh, jeez. Well, excuse me all to hell. I was trying to make a point, here, about language on a sign. All caps seemed appropriate. So, with your permission, I'll try again.
welcome to the people's republic of arizona. please pull into the inspections station. please have driver's license, registration, proof of insurance, and proof of citizenship ready for the security agent. thank you.
for the benefit of those who didn't receive the full benefits of an AZ edumication...
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
Naw, if you can't read English, then you don't belong in the People's Republic of Arizona.
if English was good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for you.
The thought of their reaction reading that sign in Aramaic brought a nice smile.
i can't hear when you are whispering.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
I love you people!
somehow it just doesn't have the same impact as it did originally. I can't recall the last time I saw a road sign in all lower case letters. mindless censorship sucks.
is better than carrying their water, according to some here.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
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Wait till they require your PAPERS to POST.
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on obama's agenda. or was it fired dog lakers are losing?
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Maybe we can just make Mexico a state.
Another problem solved by curtilingus.
Next thread please.
best.
Who's illegal & who's the victim of nationalism, racism & historical revisionism?
I say we give Arizona, California, Texas & New Mexico back to the people we stole it from. Problem solved.
Good compromise but I would like to keep Humboldt County in Northern California and make it a separate nation.
Thank you.
Wouldn't want to lose the best green. :)
As a dual Canadian/American, might I suggest that Northern California, Oregon & Washington be combined with B.C., Alberta & Saskatchewan and returned to the indigenous folks in the NW?
Imagine if Humboldt & B.C. growers could freely combine forces...
I'm not sure the Indigenous folks would want all the people that come with this deal, though. ; )
Even better Fantod.
That the δsubject of a book, Ecotopia, from thirty years ago.
The author in his shortsightedness did not include BC. I have been to BC. I want it included.
The matter is resolved. A a new nation has been born!
Now lets have a war over what to name it.
Nah, we don't get to name it. There are plenty of aboriginal place names that can be revived, plus Canada didn't even get rid of all of them to begin with. Hence the name of my home province, Saskatchewan.
Come to think of it, we may as well throw in Alaska, Yukon and Denendeh (Dene Land). Talk sense to the Alaskan pot smokers & I bet they'd see the value. Imagine how much it would piss off Sister Sarah!
kentucky, tennessee, (new)mexico, iowa, nebraska, massachusetts, michigan, ohio, kansas, arkansas, oklahoma, illinois, alabama, idaho, utah, montana, dakotas, minnesota, connecticut, texas, wisconsin?, wyoming?
okeechobee, okefenokee, shenandoah, cherokee, niagara, manhattan, seattle, detroit, pensacola, roanoke, saratoga, tahoe, narragansett, malibu and milwaukee to name a few.
the security this website has for registration is goofy.
is actually not a native name. It was chosen by anglos who made it up and liked it because it sounded like a native name.
Edit: Whoops, looks like I been suckered, shoulda checked snopes.
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Actually I hear some people say that the town was founded by their favorite saloon girl, Ida...
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
let AZ slump south. They can have the Gadsden Purchase
me-oww!
I'll move back to upstate NY,,, can take Florida too.
Mexico could break into smaller pieces...
write up a constitution and pledge to join the union...
...and become states one at a time!!!
who said we have to stop at fifty states anyway?
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http://www.etriptips.com/wiki/List_of_Mexican...
Probably no need to subdivide it further.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
be recognized in Alabammy after Mexican annexation ( or should we call it anschluss)?
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Tamaulipas should go first...!
sumbit' a request to join the union.
...a referendum or sumpthin'!
is Hawaii and Alaska can do it...so can Durango!
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might as well rope in the Canadians at the same time. We need trilingualism.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
How many Canadians out there wanna join the union?!!!
all you gotta do is write up a good state constitution...
...that is not too much different then any other state constitution...
pledge to uphold and defend it...
and boom...your in...
some Canadian provinces are way too large though...(they might have to sub-divide)
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North Dakota or Wymoming to get two Senators.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Yukon.
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Arizona, New Mexico and Oklahoma.
(My encyclopedia doesn't list the American League in baseball either.)
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Yukon is no longer an official territory and the N.W.T. is Denendeh.
Canada is an officially multicultural country - it's written into our laws.
Anyway, rather than inviting indigenous folks into America, we should be asking them for permission to stay.
Ta'nisi!
As far as I know, the Yukon is still a territory and I didn't realize that the N.W.T. had an official name change. I am aware of Nunavet, however.
Even though our PM would like Canada to be a clone of Alabama/Mississippi/Arizona etc., the vast majority of Canucks would be horrified at the idea of joining the Union. Unfortunately, there is about a third of our population who are not paying attention to the underlying theocratic, authoritarian agenda of the ReformaTories. Some of those are genuinely on side, but a big chunk of them would be very upset if Harpie got his majority and they got a taste of what would be in store for all of us. Ignorance is not bliss.
My wife often wonders why VT left Canada...except, well, it is Quebec we border. :)
When the British were still in complete control, a lot of people of French descent fled English oppression. You can follow the French place names south to Louisiana.
Of course, Loyalists also fled America and headed north to Canada after the American Revolution.
Someday we'll realize that nationalism was just a stopgap to replace feudalism and we'll get rid of it too. We're all human beings and no one should have the right to tell us where we can and cannot go.
While there was an earlier voluntary removal (when the French residents were asked to proclaim loyalty to the British crown or leave)in the first half of the 18th century, the Brits forcibly expelled French Acadians from what are now the Maritime Provinces between 1755 and 1763.
But some of the French laid low and remained there- some of my ancestors amongst them.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
True: and of course Acadian became Cajun.
Seen the daily show bit with John Hodgman?
4409 predicting that this would happen 1 month ago...
...watch the end of the video and see 4409 get arrested for confronting the bastard state reps who are pushing the "new" Arizona law!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knv6nDZX1mc
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Thank you very much for posting that here.
IMO a brave cop should arrest the governor.
(a reply to wundermaus)
It's great cuz it proves the law is illegal even if you eliminate any "profiling problems" (that are sure to arise)
demanding papers is illegal even if there is no profiling involved at all!!!
audit-prosecute-incarcerate
the law also states "On receipt of a complaint on a prescribed complaint form that an employer allegedly intentionally employs an unauthorized alien, the attorney general or county attorney shall investigate whether the employer has violated subsection A of this section" . . . complaintant being anonymous, as I recall.
"Shall" (directive) being the operative word.
So . . . accuse all the uber-wealthy AZ citizens of harboring/employing illegals . . . over and over and over
Keeps everyone busy. Bet the law is declared unconstitutional rather quickly.
And I suppose lea still can't figure why respect in the community keeps falling for them?
It's just another example of conservative cowardice people. Move along there's nothing to see here.
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