Krugman Hits Ailes for Fox's 'Deliberate Misinformation' on Health Care Bill
By Heather Sunday Jan 31, 2010 1:00pm
Why ABC News thought bringing in the CEO of a rival network as a pundit was a good idea is beyond me but one of the bright spots was getting to watch Paul Krugman call out Ailes to his face. Krugman hits Ailes for Fox's 'deliberate misinformation' on the health care bill and doing their part to make sure that the general public does not know what is in it.
WILL: So I don't think that when a man gets up and gives a speech full of cognitive dissonance, saying Washington is corrupt, Washington is annoying (ph), Washington is tiresome, Washington is dysfunctional, and Washington should have a much bigger role in American life, I think that -- that breeds, you might say, a kind of distrust and cynicism.
WALTERS: (inaudible) slash and burn....
KRUGMAN: If I can just -- you know, what bothers me is not the nasty language. Glenn Beck doesn't, you know, it's not -- what bothers me is the fact that people are not getting informed, that we are going through major debates on crucial policy issues; the public is not learning about them. And you know, you can say, well, they can read the New York Times, which will tell them what they need to know, but you know, most people don't. They don't read it thoroughly. They get -- on this health care thing, I'm a little obsessed with it, because it's a key issue for me. People did not know what was in the plan, and some of that was just poor reporting, some of it was deliberate misinformation. I have here in front of me when President Obama said, you know, why -- he said rhetorically, why aren't we going to do a health care plan like the Europeans have, with a government-run program, and then proceeds to explain whey he's different. On Fox News, what appeared was a clipped quote, "why don't we have a European-style health care plan?" Right, deliberate misinformation.
All of that has contributed to a situation where the public...
AILES: Wait a minute, wait a minute...
KRUGMAN: I can show you the clip, and you can...
(CROSSTALK)
AILES: The American people are not stupid...
KRUGMAN: No, they're not stupid. They are uninformed.
AILES: If you say -- if (inaudible) words are in the Constitution, if the founding fathers managed -- they didn't need 2,000 pages of lawyers to hide things, then tell, then tell...
KRUGMAN: Oh, come on. Legislation always is long.
AILES: ... then tell people it's an emergency that we get it, but it won't go into effect for three years. So you don't have time to read it, you...
(CROSSTALK)
KRUGMAN: People, again, this was a plan that is -- it's actually a Republican plan. It's Mitt Romney's health care plan. People were led to believe that it was socialism. That's -- and that was deliberate. That wasn't just poor reporting.






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is blatantly choosing a policy position and using his network as a mouthpiece to promote it. It is absolutely not the place of a news organization to decide that a bill is too short or too long, or that it takes too long to implement, esp. when not comparing those opinions to past proposals.
There's a viral email circulating that tonite on FauxNews @ 9:00, they are going to air some sort of secret scandalous material that Obama has supposedly been desperately trying to keep under wraps. Sounds like BS to me. But it's no secret that FauxNews never lets facts get in the way of a good smear.
The Constitution is fairly long and we're still tweaking it after all these years.
Ailes never listens to anyone but himself...Barbara was so sweet to him..Ugh.. Arianna was way into herself as well! G.Will was his usual undercutting but erudite self.
What will said is just crap! Will is just another fucking over paid lying sob!
roger ailes what a pile of shit. faux news the worst thing to happen to America since slavery.
republicanism/conservatism is a mental illness!
but many Fox Commentary Channel viewers will think that faux news is the best thing to happen to America since slavery -- was abolished.
They are misinformed and no one knows that better than the head of FAUX bullcrap news.
Is not.
Is too.
Is so.
Wake up sheeple!
about their bullcrap. It's genuine bullcrap.
No it isn't. Bullcrap grows food.
When are we going to acknowledge the fact that better than 40% of this nation's adult population is functionally illiterate!?!?!
The vast majority of the adults with whom I interact have not a clue who is Krugman, nor do they care. Just don't interrupt their fave tv program to broadcast some special bulletin--that REALLY gets their panties in a wad!
im sorry, but the majority of the american population is indeed stupid
Yes, you are sorry.
But you don’t need a majority to filibuster, riot, disrupt meetings etc
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Poll: Americans pretty clueless about politics, world
By John Byrne
Friday, January 29th, 2010 -- 10:18 am
US Capitol1 Poll: Americans pretty clueless about politics, worldOnly one in four Americans know how many votes a Senate filibuster requires. One in three know the name of the chairman of the Republican Party. One in two know the Democratic leader of the US Senate.
Health care? Fewer than one in three Americans even know that no Republicans voted for the Senate health care overhaul.
Americans' ignorance about politics isn't new, but the latest results from the Pew Poll suggest few are really paying attention.
Half of Americans don't even know that Stephen Colbert is a comedian. And among those surveyed, only one in three Democrats knew that Sen. Harry Reid (D-NV) was the Democratic leader.
"About four-in-ten (39%) know that Nevada Democrat Harry Reid is the majority leader of the U.S. Senate," Pew reports. "About a third (32%) correctly pick Michael Steele as the chairman of the Republican National Committee. Interestingly, nearly half of Republicans (48%) are able to identify Reid as Senate majority leader compared with just a third (33%) of Democrats. More Republicans can identify Reid as majority leader than can identify Steel as chairman of the RNC (37%)."
"only one in three Democrats knew that Sen. Harry Reid (D-NV) was the Democratic leader."
The way Harry has been running the Senate - I forgot that he was the leader.
would be a huge blow to the GOP if the left finally woke up and recognized most of the crap of the last 20 years wouldn't have happened if the left hadn't just been turning the dial or plugging in the CD when limbaugh and hannity and the gang were attacking and lying about their causes and candidates.
all dem candidates should recognize their state limbaugh megastations as the power centers of the GOP and lead rallies there when their jocks lie about them and attack them. the GOP would fall apart- they need the repetition to be uncontested to be believed.
fox is small potatoes compared to the 1000 radio stations prechewing their material for them all week long- fox is mainly there to do visual reinforcement and introduce the same talking points into the visual media. fox is squat without the coordinated uncontested repetition of talk radio.
...the sooner the better. He, and his stinkpile propaganda machine, are pulling this country backward. And for that fat, stogey ass hole to sit there and dispute it is the height of blatant disrespect to the intelligence of this country.
When are we going to pull our heads out of our collective asses and call a propaganda network for what it is?
never?!?!
"And you know, you can say, well, they can read the New York Times, which will tell them what they need to know, but you know, most people don't. They don't read it thoroughly"
Say what?
I loves me some Krugman! 8-)
Poor little Roger just isn't used to somebody calling him on his BS and backing it up. He really needs to get out more.
I am thinking that This Week has finally reached the bottom of the barrel. Lizard and now Ailes, rotten to the core.
The entire corporate media have been rotten to their very core for a long time now (close to 30 years). It is the inevitable consequence of media consolidation and dominance by large megacorporations whose interests clearly align with the Republican policies.
Problem is supposedly there have been studies that demonstrated that the average American only scans the headlines, and what articles they do read, they only read about 2/3rd's of the way through.
Said...Founding Fathers, Contitution and truth all in the same breath....and just as Beck does he was misleading. He defended the American population as not stupid. No one said they're stupid, just misinformed but even that is an argument up for grabs and Ailes knows this. Was Ailes prepping us for Beck's show tomorrow? It was like watching Beck in a Jabba the Hut costume. Ailes is calculating and manipulative.
Like 99% of this country's population, I won't be watching.
does nothing. just as bad as stephie.
Ailes goes and repeates a false republican talking point. Clip shows Sen. Franken countering Sen. Thune when he claimed health care benefits do not kick in for 3 years.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n2P0QsTe8c
Then there are always the statements that sound right and can be convincing but have no relavence to fact. E.g. “they didn't need 2,000 pages of lawyers to hide things”
the benefits don't kick in till 2014 at the earliest.
there is no regulation.
whatever franken says, know first that he's a corporatist.
everyone is
you need to attack your true enemies
is not attack
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Trust but verify? ;)
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Oh thanks...
Tue, 02/10/2009 - 21:21 — Truth_Critic
I did not know, "they will not be under oath.". Thanks...
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they are never
Tue, 02/10/2009 - 21:23 — CoIntelPro.Pron...
under oath.
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Granted it's an investment bank...
Tue, 02/10/2009 - 22:38 — Truth_Critic
I guess I thought this guy was taking an oath? Maybe he was just saying hello?
http://vodpod.com/watch/1063827-video-lehman-... about the 30-second mark
Rich People dominating the televised discourse of this nation for entertainment purposes, as well as giving them a way to continue to promote themselves via substantial exposure isn't a good sign either.
Can Roger Ailes get any fatter?
Is he not the epitome of the "rich, fat white man"?
Is it his bullshit that is doing it, or eating and drinking? What say you, Mr. Limbaugh?
It's a sad truth that most Americans vote based on emotion, not information. Maybe it's the functional illiteracy? But arguing facts will never work for the majority.
There are several books on this subject but we Progressives just won't learn. Here's a short BBC article on the subject: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8474611.stm
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Funny how Roger Ailes rushed to defend the fact that FOXPRAVDA was purposefully misleading in their rhetoric as specifically pointed out by Kruegman, yet, as fast as he rushed to object to Krugman, Ailes NEVER refuted Krugman. Ailes only leaped to further distort facts about the HCR bill being too large.
Can someone please inform Mr. Ailes that it's 2000 pages because (R)epublican obstructionism caused it to balloon and swell like Roger Ailes waist line?
PLEASE?
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The right wing media needs a liberal they can step on. Is Colmes available for next week?
How about Alec Baldwin?
Is he a smart alec?
"Why ABC News thought bringing in the CEO of a rival network as a pundit was a good idea is beyond me"
Keep your friends close...
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Cross Directorates:
Where the Board of Directors from one CORPORATION sits at the table of another Board of Directors because they have mutual interests. Like AETNA does at some hospital. In this case, like FOXPRAVD does on ABC.
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George Will clutches his pearls over the Alito thing saying Obama attacked the "prestigious" Supreme Court.
No Mr. Will, the Supreme Court was a prestigious institution till Bush v Gore and it has been a conservative activist court ever since. Just another institution the Republicans have been successful in tarnishing through politicization.
That whole line of baloney was absurd.
Obama is on the "attack" while one of the most radical supreme courts in history plays "victim".
Will is a complete yo-yo.
The man's Dick Cheney. Underhanded, calculating, misleading, deceitful and quick to play the terror card. Somebody do a DNA test they must be brothers.
Now we all know, at FOX the fish stinks from the head.
Proof that our MSM is liberal!
If Krugman can do what any C & L blogger can - which is to call out these lying liars on the lies they tell, and then back it up with a you-tube video; it just proves how freaking left-wing our media is.
Because everyone knows the MSM appears to be inept, just like the democratic leadership?
Paul Krugman seemed to do the impossible.
He tore Roger Ailes, an accomplished asshole, a NEw asshole.
Thank You Krugman!!!
AILES sould be arrested for terrorism, deliberately promoting Lies, Fear, Hate (Conservative talking points) and Violence against the American people in order to destroy our Democracy.
It's well documented that Fox News and the Republicans declared war on Liberals and our Democracy.
Arianna and Krugman take FOX apart as Will polishes Ailes's apple.
(last video clip)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/31/roge...
Krugman to Ailes: "Shut up, Fat-Ass!"
I'd pay ABC a hundred bucks to see that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yd-IsWJs8Po
Special thanks to bluegal!
In fact, it was hilarious.
If only someone would do that. I'd pay money to see the looks on their faces.
I would too.
I'd like to see him tell them this.
Hang on a second. That didn't work. Gimme a second.
Ok, lets try this again.
I love it!
:D
I wonder if that's what he said to Teller?
:)
George Will is so full of crap. How many people do you think even have a clue what he's referring too. What a snob.
Wow, Ailes is as ugly on the outside as he is on the inside.
He looks and sounds like an old, decrepit, 'nigra'-hating Southern cracker.
Is it just me or does he have a major comb-over? A fine comb-over, but I think he's hiding a major baldness. At least he's not fat.
sadly,it doesn't make his nose any less pointy.
His head for that matter.
It's very telling that both Roger Ailes and George Will began shifting in their seats as soon as Paul Krugman spoke about "deliberate misinformation".
Also note that they began demonstrating their discomfort BEFORE he mentioned Fox News.
Roger Ailes knows what he is and his TV station is. He doesn't care. He cannot be reasoned with. We are stuck with him for now.
Wow, they had Barbara Walters as part of the panel? I thought she was relegated to "The View" and doing the occasional celebrity suck up interview.
I hope Ailes has good health coverage, because he looks like hell.
He's storing bacon in his cheeks to feed his children. It was on Animal Planet last night. Wasn't easy to watch.
Ha! marvelous.
Ailes: The American people aren't stupid.
Really? The American people are stupid and you're banking on it. If it wasn't for the stupidity of us you wouldn't exist.
the American people are stupid and Roger Ailes and his ilk are doing there damndest to make sure they stay that way.
Drop Dead soon!
As corpulent as Roger Ailes is, he must eat every meal as if he has two assholes. Roger! Put down the drumstick. Step away from the mashed potatoes.
Hey Mr. Tea Party Patriot, Why You Are So Mad!
Hey you. You there in the Glenn Beck T-shirt headed off to the Tea Party Patriot rally.
Stop shouting for a moment, please, I want to explain to you why you're so very angry.
You should be angry. You're getting screwed.
I think you know that. But you don't seem to know that it doesn't have to be that way. You can stop it. You can stop it easily because the system that's screwing you over can only keep screwing you over if you keep demanding that it do so.
So stop demanding that. Stop helping the system screw you over.
Look, you can go back to yelling at me in a minute, but just read this first.
1. Get out your pay stub.
Or, if you have direct deposit -- you really should get direct deposit, it saves a lot of time and money (I point this out because, honestly, I'm trying to help you here, even though you don't make that easy Mr. Angry Screamy Guy) -- then take out that little paper receipt they give you when your pay gets directly deposited.
2. Notice that your net pay is lower than your gross pay. This is because some of your wages are withheld every pay period.
3. Notice that only some of this money that was withheld went to pay taxes. (I know, I know -- yeearrrgh! me hates taxes! -- but just try to stick with me for just a second here.)
4. Notice that some of the money that was withheld didn't go to taxes, but to your health insurance company.
5. Now go get a pay stub from last year around this time, from January of 2009.
6. Notice that the amount of your pay withheld for taxes in your current paycheck is less than the amount that was withheld a year ago.
That's because of President Barack Obama's economic stimulus plan, which included more than $200 billion in tax cuts, including the one you're holding right there in your hand, the tax cut that's now staring you in the face. Republicans all voted against that tax cut. And then they told you to get angry about the stimulus plan. They didn't explain, however, why you were supposed to get angry about getting a tax cut. Why would you be? Wouldn't it make more sense to get angry at the people who voted against that Obama tax cut?
But taxes aren't the really important thing here. The really important thing starts with the next point.
7. Notice that the amount of your pay withheld to pay for your health insurance is more than it was last year.
8. Notice that the amount of your pay withheld to pay for your health insurance is a lot more than it was last year.
I won't ask you to dig up old paychecks from 2008 and 2007, but this has been going on for a long time. Every year, the amount of your paycheck withheld to pay for your health insurance goes up. A lot.
9. Notice the one figure there on your two pay stubs that hasn't changed: Your wage. The raise you didn't get this year went to pay for that big increase in the cost of your health insurance.
10. Here's where I need you to start doing a better job of putting two and two together. If you didn't get a raise last year because the cost of your health insurance went up by a lot, and the cost of your health insurance is going to go up by a lot again this year, what do you think that means for any chance you might have of getting a raise this year?
11. Did you figure it out? That's right. The increasing cost of health insurance means you won't get a raise this year. Or next year. Or the year after that. The increasing cost of health insurance means you will never get a raise again.
That's what I meant when I said you really should be angry. That's what I meant when I said you're getting screwed.
OK, we're almost done. Just a few more points, I promise.
12. The only hope you have of ever seeing another pay raise is if Congress passes health care reform. Without health care reform, the increasing cost of your health insurance will swallow this year's raise. And next year's raise. And pretty soon it won't stop with just your raise. Without health care reform, the increasing cost of your health insurance will start making your pay go down.
13. I wish I could tell you that this was just a worst-case scenario, that this was only something that might, maybe happen, but that wouldn't be true. Without health care reform, this is what will happen. We know this because this is what is happening now. It has been happening for the past 10 years. In 2008, employers spent on average 25 percent more per employee than they did in 2001, but wages on average did not increase during those years. The price of milk went up. The price of gas went up. But wages did not. All of the money that would have gone to higher wages went to pay the higher and higher and higher cost of health insurance. And unless Congress passes health care reform, that will not change.
Well, it will change in the sense that it will keep getting worse, but it won't get better. Unless the problem gets fixed, the problem won't be fixed. That's kind of what "problem" and "fixed" mean.
14. Sadly for any chance you have of ever seeing a raise again, it looks like Congress may not pass health care reform. It looks like they won't do that because they're scared of angry voters who are demanding that they oppose health care reform, angry voters who demand that Congress not do anything that would keep the cost of health insurance from going up and up and up. Angry voters like you.
15. Do you see the point here? You are angrily, loudly demanding that Congress make sure that you never, ever get another pay raise as long as you live. Because of you and because of your angry demands, you and your family and your kids are going to have to get by with less this year than last year. And next year you're going to have to get by with even less. And if you keep angrily demanding that no one must ever fix this problem, then you're going to have to figure out how to get by on less and less every year for the rest of your life.
16. So please, for your own sake, for your family's sake and the sake of your children, stop. Stop demanding that problems not get fixed. Stop demanding that you keep getting screwed. Stay angry -- you should be angry -- but start directing that anger toward the system that's screwing you over and taking money out of your pocket. Start directing that anger toward fixing problems instead of toward making sure they never get fixed. Instead of demanding that Congress oppose health care reform so that you never, ever, get another pay raise, start demanding that they pass health care reform, as soon as possible. Because until they do, you're just going to keep on getting screwed.
And it's going to be that much worse knowing that you brought this on yourself -- that you demanded it.
Thanks for your time.
P.S. -- I didn't mention this because I'm trying here to be as patient with you as I can, but you might also want to keep in mind that in addition to screwing over yourself and screwing over your family and screwing over your own children by demanding that Congress oppose health care reform so that you will never, ever see another pay raise, by doing that you're also demanding that I never, ever see another pay raise, which means that you're also screwing over me, and my family, and my children. Not to mention the millions of poor and uninsured and uninsureable people I didn't even mention above because they don't seem to matter at all to you. And for that, let me just say the only appropriate thing that can be said to someone so determined to do direct, tangible harm to the welfare of my family: Why do you hate Americans?
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