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Ruh-roh. John Boehner had better watch it or the Tea Baggers are going to be angry with him. He must think that no one has him either transcribed or recorded for the last year. Think Progress cites one example.

Boehner is lying. He has said that what Obama and Democratic leaders are doing is socialism. From his speech at the Conservative Political Action Conference a few months ago:

Well, the stimulus, the omnibus, the budget — it’s all one big down payment on a new American socialist experiment. … All of these bills seek to replace our economic freedom with the whims and mandates of politicians and bureaucrats.

GREGORY:This question about the role of the government, and, and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi saying this week what she worries about in terms of the tone of debate is that it could lead to violence, as it did in the ‘70s; you know, there was anti-government violence in the ‘90s in Oklahoma City, as well. How much of a concern is that? Do you share it, or do you think that that was an overstatement on her part?

GRAHAM: Well, quite frankly, I mean, the whole idea of the role of government needs to be debated. The public option; she says there will be no bill coming out of the House without a public option. America is saying, listen, the government programs we’ve got like Medicare is $34 trillion underfunded. The Baucus bill will let—adds 11 million to a Medicaid system that can’t—the states can’t afford. So a lot of us are concerned that Nancy Pelosi and others are pushing government to control prices when it will not work in health care. Competition and choice. If you’ve got only one plan in Alabama, let the people in Alabama shop around the country for plans. But I’m not so worried about—you know, her criticism about the opponents of the plan don’t bother me. The fact that we’re broke...

GREGORY: She’s talking about violence, though.

GRAHAM: Yeah. I don’t...

GREGORY: I mean, we’ll get to the health care. You don’t buy that.

GRAHAM: I don’t think any responsible person is asking for a violent response.

GREGORY: Do you—is that hyperbole?

BOEHNER: David, I’m, I’m not concerned about violence.

GRAHAM: No.

BOEHNER: I mean, I’m sure Speaker Pelosi was sincere in her concern. But let’s remember something. The debate that we’re in here is not just about health care, it’s about the, the trillion-dollar stimulus that was suppose to be about jobs and turned into nothing more spending—than spending and more spending. It was about a budget with a, with a nearly $2 trillion deficit this year and trillion-dollar deficits for as far as the eye can see. It’s a cap and trade system, this big giant tax on the American people that this week, we just find out, the Treasury Department said will cost the average family $1700 per year. You add to that this whole question of health care and the government option, the government involvement, and Americans today are getting more news about what’s happening in their government than they have ever gotten before, and Americans are genuinely scared to death. Scared to death...

GREGORY: But, Leader, don’t they get even more scared when you got the head of the Republican Party sending out an e-mail that, you know, to challenge the president and Democratic leaders for a socialist power grab? I mean, is that appropriate conversation? Is this, did you really think the president’s a socialist?

BOEHNER: Listen, when you begin to look at how much they want to grow government, you can call it whatever you want, but the fact is, is that...

GREGORY: Well, what do you call it, though? This is important.

BOEHNER: This is unsustainable. We’re, we’re broke.

GREGORY: That’s fine. Do you think the president’s a socialist? Because that’s what...

BOEHNER: No.

GREGORY: OK. But the head of the Republican Party is, is calling him that.

BOEHNER: Well, listen, I didn’t call him that and I’m not going to call him that. What’s going on here is unsustainable. Our nation is broke. And, and at a time when we’ve got this serious economic problem, a near 10 percent unemployment, we ought to be looking to create jobs in America, not kill jobs in America. Their cap and trade proposal, all this spending, all of this debt and now their healthcare plan will make it more difficult for employers to hire people, more difficult and more expensive to have employees, which means we’re going to have less jobs in America. But Americans are scared. That’s why they’re speaking up and that’s why they’re engaging in their government.

John Boehner Feb. 28, 2009--Obama drives US toward socialism, GOP says:

Representative John Boehner, the Republican leader in the House, called the budget proposal and recently passed economic stimulus plan "one big down payment on a new American socialist experiment."

I'm sure there are a few more examples out there of the socialist or socialism quotes coming directly from John Boehner, but if he were truly concerned about the GOP using the term, he would not be saying it himself, ever... and he'd be doing more to reign in the likes of Michelle Bachmann. As the Politico article notes that's not likely to happen though because he's worried about pissing off his wingnut base.

John Boehner struggles to keep up with base:

Long before the tea parties or Wilson’s outburst, Boehner and Minority Whip Eric Cantor (R-Va.) had struggled to moderate the rhetorical excesses of House conservatives hammering away on Obama’s birth certificate, decrying the creation of “death panels” and ferreting out signs of creeping socialism.

Sources say they have been especially wary of the possible damage inflicted on the party’s reputation by bomb-throwing Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.), who last fall called for an investigation into whether members of Congress are “pro-America or anti-America.”

Still, Boehner has largely avoided antagonizing the base on these hot-button issues — steering clear of using the words “death panel” — while criticizing Democrats for involving the government in end-of-life decisions. He’s been particularly careful to avoid the fate of former Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.), who found himself publicly espousing positions that didn’t have widespread support in his own conference.

Like Gingrich, Boehner can’t afford to get on the wrong side of his base: After he helped shepherd through the $700 billion Wall Street bailout last fall, some conservatives privately groused that the minority leader was out of touch with the small-government wing of the party.



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67 comments

republicanism is a mental illness!

This asshole is going to be looking for a new job in 2010. If he doesn't find himself under indictment first.

the window last year...Why would anyone not not watch a network that has him on or at the very least, use the mute button!

If clintn cn be impeched for lying to the Grand Jury --we can certainly cause action to be taken by NBC or Congress or both on the leis being told.

Oh, I forgot, the talking heads still have him on therefor validating his lies ..Gregory never calls them on any of these distortions and lies!

if by "year" you mean 2 decades

I live next to his distric, it is full of clones just like him. Tan man will get reelected untill he will not run again.

should shut his face.

or was Boehner and Graham's tone and language when talking about the president very disrespectful and condescending. I found myself getting so worked up while watching this...not because they disagreed with Obama....but because of the lack of respect that they were showing for him and for the office of the Presidency.

I was not talking about this clip specifically...I was talking about the whole segment of MTP with Boehner and Graham.

... I have seen the Boner pull much worse behavior in previous interviews.

What I want to know is this, and I must have missed it, but during the long 8 years of Bush, when did the mass media ever have a panel made completely of Dems providing a counter argument to any of Bush/Cheney pressers?

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He'll split hairs between describing a program as socialist, and describing a person as a socialist, thus perpetuating that calling someone a socialist is an insult, whether true or not.

I'm tired of hearing what this corporate puppet has to say. He needs to be defeated for his next term and replaced with someone that supports REAL health care reform....SINGLE PAYER FOR ALL!

It is so painful to listen to these condescending revisionist liars purposely twist and lie, backhandedly calling the President a socialist...with zero solutions of course.

"The debate that we’re in here is not just about health care, it’s about the, the trillion-dollar stimulus that was suppose to be about jobs and turned into nothing more spending—than spending and more spending."

Isn't a stimulus bill spending money trying to create jobs? I thought that was the point of the stimulus is to spend $. I don't understand why Republicans always say this! Do they not understand what a stimulus is?

Maybe the backpedaling indicates a little fear from the RWNJ’s that they have overplayed their rhetoric?

This should bring HOWLS from the right, eh?

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The GOP boxed in between the simply ignorant and the criminally insane.

"Boehner can’t afford to get on the wrong side of his base."

You think Boehner isn't in full agreement with his "base?"

How come the Democratic leaders never fear getting on the wrong side of their base?

That these people would remember that EVERYTHING they say - especially when they call a presser themselves - is ON RECORD/VIDEO!!!!!!

sheesh. I mean, all these 'college grads' and very few of them have any common sense!

blah, blah, blah... lie, another lie, and yet another lie... yadda yadda yadda...

This fool is digging himself in deeper and deeper every single time he opens his stupid mouth!

... so they can say whatever they want, and redefine reality to suit their interests almost in real time.

Let's not associate lack of scruples with lack of intelligence.

lying is a habit and a way of life. It often-times gets to the point where they lie so much that they cannot remember what lie(s) they're telling from day-to-day. I think that's why they are sure to get the daily talking points before getting in front of the cameras.

Creating an alternate reality of this sort is generally referred to as "psychosis".

propaganda. As the truth swirls down the memory hole.

Everyone should read the book "What Orwell Didn't Know: Propaganda and the New Face of American Politics" I give copies of it away to dittoheads and the like to show them what they couldn't grasp about the Cheney/Rove Administration.

Is this dumb shit really the best thing the repukes in Ohio can send to Washington? Maybe it's all that is left willing to identify themselves with this hidious party of losers.

boehner: Listen, when you begin to look at how much they want to grow government, you can call it whatever you want, but the fact is, is that...

the fact is that under bush, when you and the GOP were in control of the congress, the federal govt increased spending at the fastest rate in over 3 decades. not to mention the largest budget deficit in the country's history, mr. financial conservative.

but, lemme guess, you won't mention that will'ya?

boehner and the rest of the GOP seem to think that the public's memory is as bad as their propensity to be truthful, or the media's skill in exposing their hypocrisy.

David Gregory is an ass! These are the kinds of things (facts) that a "journalist" should have pointed out to Boehner. Wasn't Gregory paying attention a few weeks ago when he had Dick Armey and Rachel Maddow on and Rachel had her notes in front of her and forced Armey to admit that the Republican Party tried to kill Medicaid? This is why Gregory is useless. Nice going Stretch! Journalism died the day that Cronkite retired. Now, the only real journalism taking place is right here on the blogs! Kick ass guys!

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..reminds me of the scene at Governor LePetomane's office in Blazing Saddles - all the blathering about 'we're broke' and the 'cap and trade' being a tax and 'health care' etc., all strung together as if he cannot think in complete sentences. John the Boner is stringing all that stuff out and it sounds like a crowd of completely corrupted politicians harrumphing the Governor. A good laugh, but I don't thing Rep. Boner is serious about anything more than blowing off steam about how bad everything is without a constructive suggestion about how to fix anything.

Hey - I didn't get a 'Harrumph' from that guy!

"You are the biggest asshole in the state!"

"C'mon men, We gotta save our phoney-baloney jobs!"

them orange people.

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It ain't just for dessert anymore.

"...do away with the homosexuals..."

What a creepy, hateful bitch's asshole. :P

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If you're talking about whipped cream that goes on good too on top of naughty bits.

Hey that be a great name for a breakfast cereal!

@_@

Breakfast of Scampions

It's sure as hell gonna take more than a fake tan and looking like someone pissed in your corn flakes to fix things.

Oh, and Americans DO understand we're in tough economic straits. Most of us even understand it happened on the GOP's watch.

So do enlighten us, "Dear Leader" - how is it that under eight years of 'fiscal responsibility' by the GOP, we got here?

there are those that want americans to be scared. being 'scared' often equates to irrational/hurried decisions. Boehner maybe didn't say president obama is a "socialist" but he wants that linguistic framing out there. that's why he tries to avoid answering the question. i have a problem with one sided debate. i would prefer some opposing view. also it would have good to show the quote gregory was speaking of in actually visual print. in regards to the health care issue i believe graham/boehner to be completely wrong as they try to wrap this issue with others(cap&trade) to rationalize their opposing view. crossing state borders sounds good but i doubt it will work. states will compete until a few states have the best deal. also how do you handle legal concerns over other state borders. LAST but not least this is more denying the BUSH legacy.

that the GOP is afraid of Obama, and this is the basis for their on-going comedy series. We are also a huge part of that fear. They know we're on to them, and know exactly who/what they are. The word is getting around on how evil, lazy, hypocritical, selfish, thuggish, corporate-backed, etc., they are. They have not been able to prevail on the major issues, thus far, especially not in the eyes of the majority of Americans. They're used to driving the car, and now that they've been relegated to a slow walk behind it, they are grasping at any straw to use as a cudgel to beat Obama, and in turn, us.

maybe it would be any dem. but i think obama is really a threat because of his "centrist" approach. many don't like that strategy but for some issues/strategies it may show to be appropriate. obama doesn't always like to show his cards and/or be predictable. this is because the shrinking GOP will do anything to win like calling obama a "liar" and "socialist" and try to rationalize/deny it. many people are considering ideology when looking at the management(by obama/congress) of the BUSH legacy. we need more realistic thinking. obama was handed a mess from the BUSH legacy that can't be denied/overlooked. for me to listen to these two trying to talk fiscal frugality makes my head spin.

while the country passes them by in terms of values, ideas, etc. It seems that all they want to do is the same old thing we always do, meanwhile the country is evolving. The Republicans don't want to admit evolution b/c that's exactly what's happening to them. They, 'want their country back,' but our country has made too much progress for their simplistic minded bullsh!t they love to spread.

that the spectacles on TV are in any way related to 'debate.'

They exist primarily to eliminate the possibility of the discussions of real differences, and real positions,. It woulkd be impossible for the either the Dims or the Pukes to respond to honest, criticval questions about the interests they are actually serving--here's a hint: It aint those of the People... But you already know this.

So both "parties" engage in this Kabuki, in which "the Press" (In the Corporate State, 'corporate media' are the State MEdia!) contribute the stage and the proscenium, the audience and the reviews. It's as nicely a closed system as the mind and technology of modern "man" can devise, and it works flawlessly, as witnessed by the fact that so many of "us" (you) pay such obsessive attention to it.

Wow the tan man and rug man now believe we couldn't afford a trillion dollar war. You assholes didn't think like that 7 years ago,so it's time to STFU.

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Now here's what boner called the president:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJ_Sqj7JUn8

Graham's smirk as Boehner speaks is just nasty. It's Bush Jr. all over again.

squash, are extremely proud of their orange progeny...

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You mean this is boner's dad?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5t6PkP1ndc

I like the John Carpenter remake thing...he was digusting and nasty.

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Actually John W. Campbell, Jr who wrote the book, Who Goes There?" admitted the remake was closer to his novella, but too gross for him, so he prefered the walking carrot.

And I'm sure John Carpenter wouldn't like to hear what you said about him.

no

This is Boner's dad

It's sunburn Boner-head and his embarrassing side kick, Dick-Head, lying through their teeth again and again and approving the way the racist, minority, hate-monguering, Reslug party is projecting its ignorant party to the world.

Today Mr. Boehner's office has issued a press release stating that although his name is spelt 'John Boehner', it is pronounced 'Raymond Luxury Yacht'.

Thank you.

Maybe the fumes from the bronzer is affecting his memory.

BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. all I see from the repubs is talk, talk, talk. No plan, no ideas, same old shit, different day

like him more in his role as Rev. Lovejoy on the Simpsons.
(or is it Principal Skinner?)

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Granpa.

Granpa.

McCain

Don't insult Lovejoy like that.

That is why Sweden does not exist.

Hes either lying or crying . He goes both ways.

Who are these "Americans" you speak of? It certainly isn't any "Americans" I know of in this town I live in. The system we have today STINKS in large part because of REPUBLICAN POLICIES enacted by the last administration that basically unleashed free market capitalism without constraint, causing prices to SKYROCKET on top of two cherry picked wars that were by design supposed to feed this new and hungry war market. You GOP are a real piece of work.

How come no one on these shows ever point out to Mr. Boner
that it was his republican party and his president who borrowed and spent this country into the deepest hole it's been in since the great depression? Geez, They all act like the Bush era was just some kind of malaise before Obama stepped in and all of a sudden the economy just went to hell. Bush added more than 4 trillion dollars to our national debt. More than any other president in U.S. history COMBINED!
The GOP is full of these guys who drilled the holes in the bottom of the boat in the first place and now are saying "we shouldn't be bailing out the water"... They don't want to see us recover so they can blame Obama and the Democrats, It's all politics first, Country last with these guys.
Hey Mr. Boehner, why do you hate America!

No MSM interviewer ever really confronts the answers because the hosts have no idea of the issues themselves. They stay pretty close to the script, particularly "Stretch" on MTP. He does not have the intellect. Half the people on this blog could do a better job. He also does not want to effect his "access".

You tell when a Republican is lying?

A:They're speaking.

Both of these guys looked very slimy and slippery. Is this the best the Republicans got?

Absolutely no intelligence or intellectual thought or discussion. Just the same worn out talking points that someone else told them to say.

Do these guys look like the guys that want to solve any of the problems of this country?

Better suited for Dancing with the Stars...!

Or that Boehner never actually said it. Seeing is believing.

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