Tim Pawlenty: Deather and Tenther
By Heather Saturday Sep 12, 2009 1:30pm
Tim Pawlenty obviously wants to run for President since he's throwing in with Sarah Palin and the "deather" crowd. How pathetic is it when your lies are so bad that even Joe Scarborough is calling you out? After Scarborough asks Pawlenty if there is anything in the health care bills that will "pull the plug on grandma" Pawlenty follows with some fear mongering on the government "rationing care" and says the fears are not unfounded, and Scarborough lights into him.
Scarborough: But you know there are no death panels here though. Counseling is one thing. Having three people lining up saying "granny dies, grandpa lives", that's quite another. You can't get there from here.
Pawlenty: Well what happens Joe, what you call it or label it, but I think the facts are these. When you have a system like the United Kingdom where there are breast cancer...
Scarborough: But we don't. We don't Governor with all due respect. This does not give us a system like the United Kingdom. I'm talking specifically about this bill. How does this bill get us to "death panels"? You don't believe it does do you?
Pawlenty: Joe what if it becomes to expensive and then the trajectory of it is even close to what's being predicted ten years out that they can no longer afford all that they promised and somebody has to say scale back the care. And the federal government is now empowered to do that. When you look at examples around the world where that takes place there are concerns about care being cut back by a federal government institution and we could have a legitimate debate about whether that's good or not. I don't think it is.
Scarborough: Governor, what in this bill though, let's be specific, what in this bill leads us to that position, gives a bureaucrat that power ten years from now to make that decision. I know we're going to have to make excruciating decisions on health care. You've talked about it before, over the next decade because we've run out of money in this country, but what in this bill specifically, what provision in this bill specifically would lead anybody to rationally believe a death panel might emerge in a decade, based on this legislation?
Pawlenty: Joe, there is nothing in the legislation that directly says that, it's the indirect concerns that I'm trying to articulate that I think are at least worth raising.
And from TPM, it appears Pawlenty has now joined the "tenthers" as well. Pawlenty: It's "A Viable Option" To Invoke State Sovereignty, Keep Minnesota Out of Health Care Reform:
Gov. Tim Pawlenty (R-MN), a possible presidential candidate in 2012, is now indicating that he could invoke state sovereignty and prevent his home state of Minnesota from participating in a federal health care reform effort if one passes, Minnesota Public Radio reports.
"Depending on what the federal government comes out with here, asserting the 10th Amendment may be a viable option," Pawlenty said, when asked about it by a caller on a Republican Governors Association conference call. "But we don't know the details. As one of the other callers said, we can't get the President to outline what he does or doesn't support in any detail. So we'll have to see, I would have to say that it's a possibility."
Pawlenty made it clear that he and other Republican governors will be more assertive about the 10th Amendment: "I think we can see hopefully see a resurgence in claims and maybe even bring up lawsuits if need be."
The same view -- properly called nullification, a doctrine dating back to the pre-Civil War days in the South -- had previously been expressed by Sen. Jim DeMint (R-SC) and Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN).
What's next Tim? You going to be calling for secession for Minnesota along with your buddy Rick Perry down in Texas? Countdown covered the TPM tenther story. Video below the fold.
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The 'L' word.
I am sooo sick of hearing lying moron scumbags talking shite about the NHS!
Those asshat's are flat out lying, misquoting and distorting what little they do have that even comes close to being usable by them (which is not very damned much and not even really all that close) as they actively work at destroying what little is left of the good will between our two countries!
Canada's even getting seriously mad about it but these lying scum don't care as long as it plays to the moron crowd that they misrule.
Look, your country is seriously fecked up.
Your health system is even more fecked up than the country is.
And your voters even more fecked up than that.
Time to put a feckin cork in it mates, start shouting these idiots down right quick or you'll not have any friends left.
(I'm mad as feckin hell, can you tell?)
What you've been witnessing lately is the meltdown of a segment of our population...it's a damn shame.
You see, our nation has a bit more than 300 million people.
At least 46 million of them are drooling idiots.
That's why there's a Republican Party.
The Republican Party is controlled by Rupert Murdoch, Roger Ailes, and big business.
We're working on it.
From time to time you'll hear some of the "leaders" of this pack of dimwits threaten to secede from the Union.
Frankly, I hope they do.
Then, the dimwits who voted for them will lose all the things that make their lives even halfway livable.
Sounds good to me.
I would've thought it was closer to at least 142,120,936* from the results of the last election.
*This is calculated from the number of eligible voters minus the number of voters who actually voted plus the number of voters who voted Republican/Libertarian/Constitution.
PLEASE SECEDE!!!!!
Keep on threatening secession!
Go for it!
See you at the right wing unemployment office.
It's called Fox News.
And Pawlenty's supposed to be a LAW SCHOOL GRAD???
At least Sarah Palin resigned. Timmy has completely lost interest in anything to do with Minnesota partly because he is running for prez and partly because there will be an economic meltdown here in a year or so because of the policies he set in place while he was governor.
I also think that Pawlenty and Coleman made a backroom deal. Coleman will support Pawlenty for president, and Pawlenty will support Coleman for governor.
Mutually assured destruction. ;o}
Did you say backroom or bathroom?
but I have not seen any documentation that foot-tapping was involved in the negotiations. ;o}
for what they are: fearmongering Republican extremists who advocate for the destruction of America.
I hate the fact that this piece of shit is my governor. Smiling dumb fuck Timmy. God I hate repugs!!!!!!!!!
I wish Obama would throw Texas out of the union. Recall all federal workers from the state, seal the borders and tell them they are on their own. Maybe Mexico would take them in.
...that it's easier to just refer to them all as "Fringers" since they insist on updating their "I'm a whack-job" calling cards every other week. It's like a Jack-of-all-trades thing...says it all without listing everything.
Section 1, Fourteenth Amendment, Mumma-Fummers!
read;
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Specifically, privileges afforded by Federal Legislation.
We're talking about Federal tax dollars that are being collected from Minnesotans, being returned to Minnesotans in the form of health care coverage.
And the Governor of Minnesota has a problem with this.
And the Corporate MSM media covers this as if it's a handful of outnumbered patriots standing up to big brother.
This is the federal government returning Minnesota tax dollars to Minnesotans.
Why can't we call this what it really is. A great big FU from their governor to the people of Minnesota.
Unbelievable.
Can't give an honest answer. Can't admit when he is acting like a lying sack of neocon horse shit.
This is the same party of dumb asses that can't admit a mistake, can't say "sorry" when they fuck up big or small, can't be straight with the American public when it comes to their ideology and strategy for keeping the brain dead right wing brown shirts in line with their deceptive shell game of politics.
This pig is so disgusting. he certainly has a future in the repuke party.
President Eishenhower would be rolling over in his grave if he could from what he sees happening to the GOP of yesterday.
Scum bags...all of them.
The media is partially to blame for Pawlenty sounding like a nut. The media for a couple months have been propping up these townhalls like the people were the majority and propping up the Palins. So Pawlenty sees this and thinks he needs to get with the 20 percenters.
I'm worried about the numbers coming out about Democrats but I can't see how this country would vote in these nut jobs. Then again, this is Amerikkka.
Let MN and TX and all the Red states opt out via the 10th. That will leave more for the sensible AND provide a much bigger incentive for their electorate to vote them OUT!
I get what you're saying, though I don't necessarily agree, but I think you're misrepresenting Minnesota.
Okay, Pawlenty is a Republican, and so are Bachman and two other US Reps for Minnesota. But The other five Reps are Democrats, as are both Senators. And the state House and Senate both contain Democratic majorities.
You're buying into the teabagger myth that they're a majority. Be careful.
...there are a LOT of people who have a brain. And we support Kinky Freidman, who has declared again for governor.
http://www.kinkyfriedman.com/
Watching the media you'd think that teabaggers are the majority when it's a small fringe element. But who needs facts when you have liberal(?) media on your side.
rich, suburban, mega-church-attending segment of the Minnesota electorate that is fueled by money from powerful banking and corporate interests, most notably, Wells Fargo & TCF Bank.
Just that theres a selfish clique up there in ranch/log-cabin country, and they made good like thieves under Bushco, they do not represent the majority of hard working Minnesotans.
gov.pawlenty is so lame. if he tries to get minnesota not to participate in the federal health care cost reform he will cut his own throat. i really can't stand listening to him. the inter twin city dems./liberals can't wait to see him go.
He's just blowing national smoke. Here in Minnesota that opinion is absurd. Minnesotans are the most politically astute citizens in the US. We are cautious and thoughtful--really, Bachmann and Pawlenty and a certain pro wrestler aside, that bizarre interpretation and notions of secession aside. Pawlenty is killing himself in MN--he's not running for gov again, of course, but if he's nominated after having this kind of unprotected sex with the Palin reality-optional crowd, he won't carry MN and his anti-coattails will be disastrous for the rest of our wingnuts up here. For my money, I say he should go to it--the weirder the better. Clearly his strategy is still moving to the base, and the theory that the crazies are still the Republican base is going to pay off big time for the democrats and moderates. We can only hope that after this breakup a real and moderate Republican party emerges, and the base keeps up the heavy breathing against negro muslim fascists--they're self-identifying as unworthy of participating in the government of a sane 21st century nation, and they are hardening to the point where we should simply expect that many states in the South and a few odd districts elsewhere will not be represented in Congress for the foreseeable future.
ice9
in private insurance companies. And since the republicans are so enamored with the private system, they should be looking forward to government run death panels. By the way, in Canada, while we do have rationing, the critical cases are always on top of the list. I am insulted to hear some republican critic our health system when it is in fact light years ahead of what that clown promotes.
those commies at the WHO rank the US of A 37th in health care, pal, only 7 spots in back of you, and a mere 36 places behind our BFFs, France. Yeah!! that's US 37th the USA. A Big, Fat three seven. Yeah! the best numbers in the world cause it's US!!!
We're 37th we're 37th we're 37th U S A Woohoo!
Why even Morocco at 29 beats Canada so, so, so arrghhhhhh...
:D
And 1 + 0= 1!
WE'RE NUMBER ONE, DAMMIT! USA! USA! USA! IN YOU'RE FACE, SUCKERS!
AOL! AOL! AOL! ALL CAPS, YOU SOCIALIST NAZIS!
YOU SOCIALIST FASHIST COMMIE BABBY KILLING NAZIS!11!!one!!
librullz.
MOONBATS AND CANDIANS!1!!!11!!!!11!!1!ONE
Us Americans are insulted by Republicans. Join the crowd Pierre.
Not even listening to Gov. TP anymore as he's becoming as nutty as Bachmann.
Our two US Senators, Klobuchar and Franken, have been talking about how we need also to reform healthcare so it's more equitable, fair and doesn't reward inefficiency or waste or fraud, such as in places like McAllen, TX where compared to Minnesota, healthcare (Medicare, our already government socialized run healthcare) in Texas is several times more expensive for Medicare compared to Minnesota ... because doctors in McAllen rig the system to make healthcare costly, so they can charge people, oops, I mean, the federal government, a lot for healthcare there.
This is what Bachmann and Pawlenty should be talking about, as healthcare reform is important and we're going to get something in the end, no matter how much they don't like it or now naively go on about state's rights. Do what you can to reform healthcare and bring more of Minnesota tax dollars sent now to Washington DC and to other states, back to Minnesota to help even more Minnesotans with healthcare.
That they have to pander to the mentally ill vote?
Is that why reagan cut the money out for mental illness years ago to get voters?
Is that what happened?
They not only took over the government but vote for themselves?
I think that about explains it republicanism is a mental illness!
these guys had to be contended with.
Now, another Repub gyro is wanked off center. At least in the movie War Of The Worlds, the sicko's fell from the sky and tried to crawl away.
Who's going to break it to these issue zombies?
He in D.C. today parading around with the rest of the American Idiots?
And actually holding them to the truth. If every talking head did simply that, instead of letting them just spread the propaganda thick, it would be a different country.
@ 23% of the ppl are staging these tea bag wars. exactly the same ppl who attended the red meat orgies of the McPalinite campaign rallies. somebody should inform these ppl they lost the elections in 2008. someone should also suggest to obama to represent the ppl who voted for him and not cave in to right-wing/McCarthy antics of beck and his racist/right-wing/caucasian-centric lunatics...
Well, Governor Timmy, I could see how maybe given how you and your "Minnesota Citizens against Taxation" pals are so disinterested in funding infrastructure repair that 10 years down the line there might be office pools betting on how many people die the next time a bridge collapses.
waiting from 10:30 pm last night for President Obama? The crown filled the Target Center and I heard a lot of cheers for the President's message. Tim doesn't work in the health clinic I work in where we are up to about 3 patients a day without any coverage. In a state with non profit health care and a state run system for those without that's too many people that don't fit within the limits for affordable health care.
Tim Pawlenty...get a clue. It ain't about your friends. It's about the state YOU SERVE.
When he says
what he really means is
If I where you... running for your life should be your number one priority never mind presidency. You have as much chance of president as Al Sharpton has in South Carolina!
However, should Perry try to take Texas out of the Union, please, please, please let them go.
Can you imagine how much better off we'd be had GWB been President of Crawford, Tixis (sic).
Enough already this is about a human being of which the SOCIALIZED CORPORATIONS and the REPUBLICAN PARTY are NOT of. Can we start building murder cases and stacking juries with multi million dollar settlements, then go after the Socialized Insurance companies for Murder, this is a denial of Medical care for BOTTOM line profits.
hey if then can convict a murder on forensic evidence lets go after the Socialized Insurance companies starting with failure of disclosure with the sales agent, next any wavier put in the contract to get around the disclosure is a AUTOMATIC $1,000,000
settlement. Now at the rallies lets start calling the Racist Nazis MURDERS, steady and LOUD. These NAZIS have got to be brought in line. The MSM is in lock step with the Socialized Corporations as they are part of the problem still 3 to 1 right wing wacko to one sensable American.Turn off the mikes on racist Nazi Christian talking points and reduce them to the low life trailer trash that they are.
I get so frustrated with the opposition in these discussions on TV I could just pull my hair out. How do you let Pawlenty get away with stirring up fear about maybe, possibly, someday in the future a bureaucrat pulling the plug on your treatment because it costs too much without stating the obvious: INSURANCE BUREAUCRATS ARE DOING THAT TO US RIGHT NOW!!!! These right-wingers need to have that shoved in their faces EVERY time they open their mouths about this. Is that so damned difficult?
Pawleeenty Stupid.
Why does this idiot think he can be elected by 27% of the American vote?
Not going to happen Mr. Stupid.
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does OK here.
Scarborough is gearing up for his presidential run by practicing on Pawlenty.
Then again, Bush's major spending sprees were in a campagn to kill people, not help them....
Odd how Republicans seem only interested in taking away rights, or bombing innocent civilians...
death panel being form when budget for the health care runs out in 10 years, then maybe they should just simply bow out of the race for congress the next 10 years? History have shown that their party would be the party that will try to break gov't run program for the people, by shortchanging the budget.
Problem solve! No worries!
this guy.
wow.
he starts off as a salesman and winds up being a sales man
asspants on fire tap dancer.
wow.
he's a governor.
MINNISOTA.
it's a whole state.
well...
is not a yes or no kind of answer
to a yes or no kind of question.
enter...
pat Buchanan
softballs?
beach balls.
you know that he's got them.
it's nice at the beach.
Why do these people insist on lying. I though Pawlenty was one of the more "moderate" Republicans, but he's obviously no better than any of the rest. He's willing to say anything, no matter how untruthful, to scare folks and rev up the base.
It looks like Mullet Head is throwing his hat in the ring with the stupid people. Good strategy dip shit. Judging by Mullet Head and Bachmann’s lunacy there must be a lot of paranoia in the water in the land of 10,000 lakes. First off the insurance industry is already rationing and denying coverage to the sick which in turn kills over 10k people each year. Secondly Mullet Head was right those crazy mobs at the town halls truly represent the republican party who are a bunch of noisy, stupid, uninformed, psycho, lunatic, fear mongering, paranoid, dumb, racists and fact and truth deniers.
Minnesota will have a Democratic Gov. next, not to worry. Pawtry spent state funds on a 'Sports colliseum/temple of greed, and let I35 bridge collapse without a single word. His 'handlers' wouldn't even allow anyone to speak about it. This state is going to have a very, vicious, quiet, civil-appearing, Scandanavian/German revolt. BUSHEIS brownshirts are going to get a whipping they should never forget.
True enough. T-Paw never got 50% of the electorate thanks to the Independence Party. With a DFL governor in place after 2010 (Coleman? Hah!), Bachmann's district will be dismembered (as it were) in 2012 following the 2010 census (assuming she is re-elected in 2010, which is by no means a given.)
We Scandinavian/German/(and Czech) MN progressives have had ENOUGH. No one should be shocked in a few years when the runner-up to Keith Ellison in MN-05 is the Green party candidate, not the republican.
Here's what Hüsker Dü's Grant Hart had to say on the matter a few years ago:
Cheers.
Suffering through the SOB as my Governor, it's hard to believe anyone would take him seriously. He simply _OOZES_ Ronald Reagan wannabe. A not especially bright person who nonetheless speaks with annoying slowness and articulation and acts pompously with that "I'm the big daddy here. You just calm down and do what I tell you" podium persona that Reagan perfected. But instead of looking like a movie star, he looks like a nerdy little weasel. Could America really buy into the Reagan "Big Daddy" schtick again -- and from such an annoying little vessel?
.............was a great state to be born, and grow up in. I know Minnesotans, real ones who were not imported with Der Fuhrer Believe me, this is going to be fun! That poor,dumb SOB Pawlentry is going to get so smacked, and his 'presidential' aspirations are going to get shoved up where the sun dont' shine.
Woose!
i havent kept up with the left buzz words in a while, what are deathers?
are people who believe that the healthcare bills require the elderly to face 'death panels', who will determine whether they can have healthcare or will be allowed to die.
See also Palin-isms.
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