CNN's Tea Party Audience Cheers Idea Of Leaving A Sick Uninsured Man To Die
Wolf Blitzer did his best to pin Ron Paul down on a health care question where a 30-year old uninsured person had six months to live. After getting a bit of a runaround, Blitzer flatly asked Ron Paul whether that person should simply be left to die.
Before Paul could answer, the audience did, with cheers of "Yeah!" and applause. If anything comes of these debates, let it be this: Conservatives really believe people should be left to die with no intervention. Ron Paul answered the question after the audience cheered with an answer about churches taking care of their own.
News flash for Ron Paul and his minions: Churches can't do it all. They just can't. It's ridiculous to think so. And since Ron Paul has been in Congress longer than he ever practiced medicine, I doubt he has a clue as to just how expensive it is to get even basic health care, much less treatment for what might be a fatal disease.
Watch that clip at your own peril. It's bad for your health.
Here's the transcript:
BLITZER: Thank you, Governor. Before I get to Michele Bachmann, I want to just -- you're a physician, Ron Paul, so you're a doctor. You know something about this subject. Let me ask you this hypothetical question. A healthy 30-year-old young man has a good job, makes a good living, but decides, you know what? I'm not going to spend $200 or $300 a month for health insurance because I'm healthy, I don't need it. But something terrible happens, all of a sudden he needs it.
Who's going to pay if he goes into a coma, for example? Who pays for that?
PAUL: Well, in a society that you accept welfarism and socialism, he expects the government to take care of him.
BLITZER: Well, what do you want?
PAUL: But what he should do is whatever he wants to do, and assume responsibility for himself. My advice to him would have a major medical policy, but not be forced --
BLITZER: But he doesn't have that. He doesn't have it, and he needs intensive care for six months. Who pays?
PAUL: That's what freedom is all about, taking your own risks. This whole idea that you have to prepare and take care of everybody --
(APPLAUSE)
BLITZER: But Congressman, are you saying that society should just let him die?
PAUL: No. I practiced medicine before we had Medicaid, in the early 1960s, when I got out of medical school. I practiced at Santa Rosa Hospital in San Antonio, and the churches took care of them. We never turned anybody away from the hospitals.
(APPLAUSE)
for executing the most prisoners in the United States. Didn't matter if they were innocent.
So, I'm not surprised that the same batshit crazy Tea Bag Gang would cheer about allowing a 30 year old man to die because he has no health coverage. Got it.
Pro-Life my ass...
After birth, screw you Jack. I got mine.
(Forgot to put [/snark] above)
after that, all bets are off. That is, unless you're born into one of those 'god-fearing-loving' families. THEN (as long as they believe enough in Science to ask for prescription medications - such as heart medications/antibiotics..and not one of those 'pray sickness away' bunches...) you'll have a decent chance.
Made my Fundamentalist relative really unhappy asking her about how , since she 'phoo-poos' any discussions about the dinosaurs...how she could also use vitamins because she's so anti-science....
the gall of these people is so overwhelming.
I'd like to hear the tune that clueless bastard sings when he gets a life ending illness.Same goes for those sadists who cheered in support to let a young man die because he did not have insurance.
I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator.
Adolf Hitler
that we have moved so far to the right that our only options are now a center right Democrat and these heartless, soulless loons. As much as I dislike Obama policies, his advisers, his presidency, in the end these people ARE worse. As I said, it is said that Obama and these loons are our only two viable options at this point. If I were in a swing state, if the race was close, I couldn't rule out voting for Obama and that alone depresses me.
None the less, for all the so called "progressives" who have a woody for Ron Paul, wake the hell up. Yes, he is right on some issues and deserves credit for challenging some assumptions within the loony right wing Republican Party (like foreign policy) but his positions on issues like health care, pensions, unions, regulations, are monstrous.
Ron Paul. He is a libertarian, not a progressive. Progressives do not support him even a little bit. Not at all, Just plain nuts do.
a number of people who call themselves progressive say they would think about voting for him because of their displeasure with Obama. They like his stances on foreign policy and a few other issues. You haven't heard this from people or seen this online? Hell, even Bill Maher was kinda blowing kisses to him for a bit. Tucker freaking Carson of all people pointed out to him that if Paul were elected he would do away with many things Maher and the left believe in, which Maher had to admit.
The guy is a loon, and there are many loons amongst us.
it's in the thoughts words and deeds.
me-oww!
Ron Paul is not a libertarian. He's a social conservative who likes drugs and doesn't know dick about economics.
that most libertarians know dick about economics? Are you under the illusion that their economics has any basis in reality? How does Paul's lack of knowledge differentiate him from most libertarians? Ron Paul does consider himself a libertarian, most libertarians accept him as one of their own. The fact that he doesn't know dick about economics doesn't mean he isn't a libertarian. Libertarians know the most far fetched Austrian school theories there are, but none of them have any basis in reality or line up with history and I haven't met one who knows anything about economics beyond their own little kingdom.
I like the fact, as do some others on the left, that he will talk critically, for example, about our support of the Shah and the blowback it caused. There are a few other issues that I agree with him on, but on the whole he is a reactionary just like Perry.
None of them know a damn thing about economics. Classical, neo-classical, Keynesian, post-Keynesian, Marxist or otherwise.
He has said that states should be able to decide whether women and girls should be able to get abortions. ( http://www.ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/abortion/ )
I thought Libertarians were for individual rights, but apparently they're not. A state is a group of individuals who elect other individuals to make laws for them and to grant or deny rights to individuals. If a majority of individuals in a state subscribe to fundamentalist religions that forbid abortion (and birth control, for that matter), they can get together and deny the right to an abortion to all the female individuals of that state.
Meanwhile, in other states, the individuals can get together and grant that right to all the females of that state.
Does this make sense?
If Libertarians are really for individual rights, shouldn't they want each individual female to be able to decide for herself whether she needs or wants an abortion? Why would they disapprove of the federal government making a decision to grant this right, yet approve of a state government making the same decision? And why would they approve of the federal government denying this right?
As long as you individually want whatever it is he happens to believe in, and as long as your individual right doesn't disagree with the voting block he wishes to pander to.
fundamentalist christian ideology!
Me for one. In Ron Paul's non existent world where churches pick up the tab, this boils down to you die if you aren't religious, because even now, churches won't marry people if they don't go there. Why would churches pick up the tab for an atheist's kidney transplant?
What a pack of venal assholes.
me-oww!
The other day a church asked the unemployed Parishioners in their diocese to put their resumes up on the alter, so they could pray for jobs, and help them get their resumes to other parishioners...... they were very specific, they only wanted those who attended their church, in their district! I too have witnessed people turned away from food banks if they are not part of their church, how Christian is that?
turn you away if you don't attend on a regular basis.
... doesn't turn people away from their food banks. They're pretty much the only Christian organization that I respect any more.
Except ...extreme homophobia.
far left loon >.<
the help the church would dish out would result in a lecture before you even could get any assistance.
i come from a long line of Catholics. when my sister tried to get her son baptized....she went to
5 churches before someone would baptize him because she wasn't an "active" parishioner of the church we attended since we were kids. that was only for a baptism..
add healthcare to that equation and you could see what a nightmare that would be.
Doncha love it when these people all say cut out welfare and Medicaid , food stamps, SCHIP, etc, and let the Churchs take care of the needy? These people, if lucky , throw in a crumpled dollar bill in the Church basket, and they think the Churchs are going to have the money to do this????? Stinking idiots.
very jesus-y, or else the churches would have fed all the hungry, ministered to all the sick, and housed all the homeless, and we wouldn't have needed the new deal
A crowd of teabaggers for all to see.
Let the sick and hurting suffer and die. Unfuckingbelievable.
I hate these mother fuckers.
I hate the GOP and their ignorant followers.
NOBODY 2012
I can see myself as that uninsured 30 year old. Except I would be the 50 year old denied coverage for the "pre exsisting coverage". When I was sick it required alot of help from the medical system here. I was never turned down, never given a bill, never had anything rationed. Your best medical care delivery system? hah how many people go broke in your country fighting for care?
by the Chinese medical system and some of the social programs here these goons want to eliminate or drastically cut. My life has been turned upside down a bit but I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for the help of the few health care programs we do have. We could, and should, have a system somewhat like yours but are too "pragmatic" or "realistic", maybe some would call it "centrist" or what not to put it into place.
You all did start your system however in one province and the idea spread. Maybe Vermont will be our Saskatchewan.
You have Harper to deal with though, doesn't he ideologically object to Medicare? What would happen if he tried to privatize it?
where this $200 - $300 a month health insurance can be had? When you have idiots like him dictating news coverage and leading the debate in this country, is it any wonder people are ignorant? Still, it doesn't explain the cruelty.
p_o_e
About this $200-300 per month health insurance.
I'd actually sign up for that.
But the $1400 per month that I am constantly quoted (no prior conditions, but self employed) is simply not a realistic possibility for me.
Go back to 1995 and if you were lucky and working a full time job, they were probably taking about 300 a month out of your paycheck for family care or for the lowest insurance premium with the highest deductable for employee +1.
a healthy 30 year old man gets suddenly ill and his health insurance is fully paid up but they decide to cancel his policy. Who pays then? Or, someone works at Walmart and cannot afford health insurance and gets sick at 30. Who pays then??
Excellent point!
I'm so disappointed in Ron Paul. I thought that he was smarter than that. Maybe he is now reduced to a doddering old fool.
In one sentence, Ron Paul talks about taking responsibility. In his explanation, he says that "We never turned anybody away from the hospitals." Well who paid for that and took responsibility? Think it through. Santa must have paid for it. He must be a socialist or welfarist.
He honestly DOES think that it's a-okay for the man to die since it was his fault he didn't have insurance or wasn't rich enough to pay for it. THAT is what Libertarians THINK. He just had to pull back since he realized he boxed himself in, so, like the trundling Libertarian fool he is, he simply lied. SO with that he fits RIGHT in with the rest on the stage. Oh, and "he never turned anyone away from the hospital" because it was a LAW. No, not that Uncle Ron would do it because he CARES. But he WOULD. Two LIES!
Cock-Snots all.
If you get sick, poor, or fall on hard times you're responsible. In other words, it's your fault, pal. Ron Paul and his Tea Party baboons are subhuman imbeciles.
"We will find fulfillment not in the goods that we have, but in the good we can do for each other."
Robert F. Kennedy
Pretty much. The lack of any kind of concern for others is shocking to me...and they act like they are proud of it!!!!
http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/angry-whi...
http://www.newdeal20.org/2011/08/19/reptilian...
He's a complete moron who sticks to his idiotic "libertarian" way of life even when the libertarian ideals inevitably fall apart when faced with logic and compassion.
He wants to dismantle the EPA, the Dept. of Education, all regulations, etc. How can you be "disappointed" in him now just based on this answer?
Anyone who supports Ron Paul isn't paying attention.
"I'm so disappointed in Ron Paul. I thought that he was smarter than that. Maybe he is now reduced to a doddering old fool."
Nope. He's just got more courage of his convictions than most right-wingers. He's willing to follow those convictions into any blind alley to which they might, and inevitably do, lead.
Most Republicans are at least capable of seeing the blind alley coming up, and will take evasive maneuvers. The fact that those evasive maneuvers require massive doses of hypocrisy to maintain doesn't seem to bother them all that much.
SMARTER than that??
Where have you been?
He's a LIBERTARIAN. He's always been that way....libertarians are social Darwinists. They believe anyone who can't hack it on their own deserves to die. Survival of the fittest, baby.
Just 'Cos You Got the Power...THAT DON'T MEAN YOU GOT THE RIGHT!
It’s almost as if Paul has two distinct personalities and one is the evil twin of the other. Every time the more reasonable twin starts making sense, the evil twin takes over and spoils the effect. It’s obvious that his son, Ayn Rand Paul (or, as I call him, Ron-Paul II) was sired by the evil twin. That pair (son and evil twin) are like a combination of Andy Rooney, Grover Norquist and Michele Bachmann with a pinch of Sharron Angle and Sue Lowden thrown in for good measure.
He's even more of an idiot because people shouldn't have to be sick enough to go to a damned hospital before they get care!
Miserable and uninformed people cheering for miserable and uninformed candidates. I weep for the future. I hope there's still room for me in Canada, I'm quiet and I don't take up much space.
NOBODY 2012
https://assessments.visabureau.com/canada/ass...
Just out of curiosity, I took the assessment. Looks like all I need is a job offer, and Canada would say "Come on in." Nice to know that I have options.
The worst thing to ever happen to America is the modern day GOP!
Yeah, it's all cheers and rah rah until YOU'RE the sick dying old guy.
Then it's "WAAAAAH, where is the government to wipe my ass."
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
Sociopathy.
It's not a requirment for being a republican, but it doesn't hurt one bit.
The Amarican Psychological Association is preparing the fifth edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), for publication in 2013. I heard a rumor that being a Republican is being included as a subset of sociopathy. I urge everyone to write the APA and support this inclusion.
The GOP fought in congress, tooth and nail to NOT pull the plug on this poor brain dead human being, who was being kept on life support, courtesy of the FL TAXPAYERS....the tea-anderthals are HYPOCRITES!
Glad to see I'm not the only one that thought of this monumental moment of hypocrisy.
WOW that was a stunning example of Conservative disconnect.
* There are two types of Republicans: millionaires and suckers.
"Mugsy's Rap Sheet": Recording history for those who seek to rewrite it.
I don't need health insurance anymore!!!
If I get sick, I just have to call a local church and they will pay all my bills!
Cool.
Earth to Ron Paul---you're an idiot.
Earth to Ron Paul supporters--you're fools.
Tell the 30 year old to be quick about it. If he doesn't like it, he should have followed the first part, which was "don't get sick".
These debates are so fraudulent. Who cheered? We have no frigging idea if they are planted to simply avoid the fact that the media so easily is manipulated and manipulating. The question was pretty simple, a guy with a "good job", good income, made a decision to not have health insurance....Paul said basically, this has consequences. The cheering was not his answer. The true fact is that a good job usually includes health insurance, so you are now emotionally involved over a hypothetical non reality situation. I am not a member of the Ron Paul is the second coming, but you know, though there are horrible contradictions in his philosophy, he is a consistent advocate for the US to stop fucking in other people's and countries lives. How a small government could prevent powerful corporations from manipulating the small government remains to be seen. Obama's plan was and is awful. It has literally done the opposite, caused health care to be less inclusive and eliminated in many cases. That may not have been our President's intent but the evil lawyers and bean counters behind the scenes are loophole magnets. Don't jump on the "Ron Paul is the demon wagon" so quickly. The demon hides behind phony liberal doctrines. That is why we now have an African-American president with an Arab sounding name, while African-Americans have the highest unemployment on record and we are at war or threatening war in 5 nations with darker skinned people. The silence is deafening!
We really do not know our candidates any more than we know our sports heroes or our hollywood stars. Look at the decimation of John Edwards, Gary Hart and the recent Andrew Weiner. At least with Ron Paul, it appears he is not a hypocrite. In today's world, that stands for something.
bys1955
What a bunch of crap. Maybe you could explain what all these phony liberal doctrines are? Do you mean things like Social Security, 40hr work week, civil rights, public schools, child labor laws, clean air and water? Ron Paul would be against all those things. Here's a man who said we don't need fema because back in 1910 when Galveston was hit with a major hurricane the people just did fine without it. The thing the loon failed to mention was that 12 to 16 thousand people died.
Ron Paul is a loon would would take this country back to the 1900's when racism was a live and well and poor people died at a early age.
diamondmc
The heartless, inhuman Conservative pigs did, that's who. You really think that a bunch of liberals went to that debate just to stir shit up? I guaran-damn-tee there were no liberals or progressives in that audience. Just 'baggers and lib-tard-ians who have so sense of what the Constitutional phrase "promote the general welfare" means.
And your statement that Paul is not a hypocrite is astoundingly naive. He most certainly is, since he will change his tune to suit the audience. He's done it before, and he'll continue to do it.
"Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" - Red Green
Freedom Ain't Free - Pay Your Share
Apparently you missed today's report. Fewer employers are offering insurance, even the ones with the "good jobs".
Ron Paul is a senile old man railing on health insurance as unconstitutional yet he gets his from the government and a paycheck from the government. If both are so bad then he needs to donate both. Ron Paul has ONE good idea, get out of the Middle East and that is it. Other than that he's a crazy old man and anyone willing to vote for him is a complete moron.
I hope it's you one day its you who loses his job and gets stricken with cancer. Go to your church and see how much they'll pay for your treatments. Ask your neighbor to pay for the medication to keep you from throwing up constantly at $150.00 a pill. See how far you get. The only way to learn is to experience it.
is intended to be a factual statement
Getting out of the Middle East AND auditing the Fed.
Dude, you are so obtuse that you respond to dialogue by wishing me to have cancer. Good luck building a coalition with that logic. I'll leave out calling you an asshole.
bys1955
bys 1955 can't handle the truth.
Everything that was done to make this country great was done by liberals!
Everything, you imbecile!
Conservatism starts and ends with the sociopathic tennant "I have mine, so everything is great," even if it's not for 95% of my fellow citizens.
That horseshit attitude is not what made America unique.
God are you people stupid.
If I were a psychopath, I would join the republican party, and get in on the gravy train taking the Teabircher morons to the cleaners.
Seriously you read a lot into comments that aren't there....but that's cool 'cause it always a sign of tolerance to call anyone who dissents from your illusions "imbeciles"...but I guess if you are going to call people imbeciles, probably spell check would help support your tolerant position.
So let me reiterate, phony liberal position doesn't mean liberal positions are phony. It means that positions that seem liberal, such as advocacy of a health plan that really isn't .....or a progressive sounding president on the campaign trail, while supporting what is now or soon will be, a genocidal attack on Black people in Libya and on and on. I can't reiterate everything that the current administration has chosen to either propagate or ignore that is a straight line from Clinton's repeal of Glass-Steagall, NAFTA, through Bush's war(s) of aggression.
I guess I should choose words more carefully, I am not opposed to liberal at all. I am opposed to hypocrisy. I also stated I do not see how Ron Paul's philosophy of a minimalist government could put the corporate monster back in the barn...but you know if it pulls troops out of Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, South Korea, and anywhere else we are corporate building, then more power to him.
I think what made America unique is people so willing to kill other people without knowing a whole lot about anything beyond the end of the working end of a weapon. The really unique component is how wily people got at avoiding the shooters.
Read a little Howard Zinn.
bys1955
I see you are a Bagger.
far left loon >.<
That's who cheered. And do you think that some plant could get into a teathug deal without being thoroughly vetted? Boy, have you got a lot to learn.
And I went down the path Rich H described. I recommend it myself these days to anyone who thinks single payer is not necessary, or thinks Ron Paul has good ideas. I don't think we could find a church that could (or would) come up with half a mil or so to cover my medical expenses over the last few years. But I will tell you, had I access to health care 2-3 years earlier, it would have cost under 10k to handle my problem. I'd be able to work and pay taxes too. There are thousands and thousands of people just like me, due to the petty assholishness and greed of the corporate culture that pervades this country. And while the dirty rotten csers are in the minority, they dictate terms.
Not having single payer causes more actual pain suffering and death on people than just aiming an angry wish at one guy on the internet. If you're going to defend sociopathic assholes like Paul here, you'll probably have to learn to suck it up big time, dude.
me-oww!
The fact is we don't have single payer at all. We have a plan that was written by insurance companies and then defended by people who haven't a clue that they're defending a bad plan. It is horrible, it is devastating. I know this because I am in this industry and I have every frigging thing rejected and needs to be resubmitted. So before you get all self-righteous and preachy and name calling without a clue, here is what you are supporting...a plan to basically eliminate paying for anything. Democrats should take to the streets and get a serious explanation of waivers and exemptions. Obama is not your guy. Maybe Bernie Sanders is, maybe Dennis Kucinich, maybe it was Paul Wellstone....maybe it was Ralph Nader, who was crucified by narrow-minded liberals because he was calling out Obama early on and ruining all our hope and change.
In health care you learn to prioritize and triage. The wars are creating more health care disasters here and abroad then any half-assed pseudo-socialistic fascist plan will ever cure. We are creating patients at much faster rate than cures. As Joseph Heller so aptly said in Catch-22, "The enemy is ANYONE who gets you killed."
I will make a prediction. Obama will win the election. The republican show is just a show. They already have their man in office. It's a 3 card monte game and you folks are arguing about the shell that the quarter has long since left.
bys1955
Well duh!
If I were a psychopath, I would join the republican party, and get in on the gravy train taking the Teabircher morons to the cleaners.
I never said we did, sort of framed my comment as an 'if.' I also didn't get self righteous, preachy or call you a name.
And your interpretation of what I advocate is incorrect. I don't have the desire or energy to try to explain it to you. This thread is not about this.
And Obama was never my guy. I had no hope that he would be. He's done what I pretty much expected. I have voted for Ralph Nader since 1996, so I'm pretty well up on his being marginalised for many many decades, and I would correct your 'narrow minded liberals' phrase by saying those people are/were not liberals at all, knowing full well what the planks in Nader's platform are.
I am not 'you folks.' You may want to check your own 'self-righteous and preachy and name calling without a clue,' mkay?
me-oww!
Your right. I think you suffered from one guy wanting me to die of cancer because I have a somewhat of a differing opinion. I was not speaking specifically to you, just the general tenor of people not understanding the total frustration with the situation does not mean that all of the opposition should die a withering death.
I worked for Obama hard. I cannot do it again. I am a life long health care worker literally in the trenches. I worked with civilians injured in the middle-east as well ( in the middle-east). We are in such a mess and they have us arguing over total crap always. We are playing checkers while they ( whomever they are) are playing chess.
Anyways, I apologize for rude rhetoric. I don't know you. Don't want to....and have no reason to be rude.
bys1955
and had all that hope and shit stored up. My best friend and I discussed the very aspect of hope surrounding Obama as he was running, and decided that after all we'd seen and been through, all the protesting and volunteering we'd done, we weren't going to make that investment. And I'm super glad I didn't, so is my friend. We've had far too many disappointments.
I gave up on this country a decade ago. It's FUBAR'd.
And apology accepted.
me-oww!
...are horrible examples of the human species, I think the response from the audience may have had more to do with the attention getting shock value more than anything. The fellow that shouted obviously wanted to see what kind of a reaction that such an inhumane and obnoxious comment would get. Obviously, he got the attention he wanted from this unconscionable crowd.
I suppose though, either way it doesn't matter. These Teapublicans are horrid, sickening people with no sense of decency or humanity. The question always asked is "How could the people of Germany have let the Holocaust happen?" Well folks, look no further. There it is -- RIGHT THERE!
These people are willfully ignorant and disgusting human beings from top to bottom. Our only hope for our country is to come out én force and defeat them in 2012. We HAVE to be smarter and more determined than they are, or we will absolutely lose our country, its values, and our souls in the process.
If the progressives in Congress don't see this and do not campaign LOUDLY with fear of the alternative, passion, and anger, then our country, society, and way of life are doomed.
This is the logical conclusion to the right-wing's philosophy of health care.
It's exactly analogous to the situation in Tennessee, I think it was, last year when firefighters stood by and watched a neighbor's house burn down because he had missed his last subscription payment to the rural firefighting service.
I don't really blame the firefighters for their lack of action; it's how the system was designed to operate. The thing is: this is how the right thinks the system SHOULD operate. They think that a system that demands that trained firefighters stand by and watch a neighbor's house burn to the ground is THE WAY IT SHOULD BE.
And Ron Paul, if he is honest enough, would admit that he thinks that a medical system that stands by and watches a man with an otherwise treatable disease DIE from that disease IS THE WAY IT SHOULD WORK.
That is the point to take away from this.
That's not exactly how the Tennessee situation came about.
The gentleman in questions lives outside the city limits, and so is not entitled to services from the fire department. The town, however, DOES allow people to 'opt in' to the services that are paid for by the tax dollars of the people living in town. The homeowner chose not to opt in, although he was given several opportunities to do so.
The firefighters actually should never have responded at all, and if they had taken any action, they would have actually opened up a legal can of worms. For instance, if any of those firemen were injured, they would not be covered under work comp - fighting that fire would have been outside the scope of their employment because the home is not in the town limits and the homeowner had not opted in. The city's insurance would not have covered them for either liability or for damage to city property for the same reason.
If it had been a life or death situation, the fire department would have performed rescue operations, but everyone was out of the home when they arrived.
since the Terry Schiavo days.
She is who I thought of too when this was happening last night. Are these the same people who wanted to move the earth in order to keep her alive even when her husband said that she would never want to live in that condition? There was a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach then and an even sicker one last night.
If this were a member of any of those people's family they would surely feel differently. For the republicans it's all fun and cheers until one of their own gets hurt or sick.
I hope those cheers haunt them for the life of the republican and tea party.
They may think Jesus loves them but I'm not so sure. They better check with their bibles and get back to us on this one.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
"But no one I know would get sick, or not have health insurance if they did get sick!"
..."If this were a member of any of those people's family they would surely feel differently. "
Bankrupt the family just as long as the gov't doesn't pay for medical care. Just sayin'.
All well and good until it all becomes a burden on society which it will which is way the programs are in place now. Paul and the rest of them have screwed up priorities mandated by their sugar daddies in industry.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
The church may bury him for free (not really) but won't pay for his health care. What is wrong with these fools? They would expect that thirty year old to give up everything to fight for his country but they don't think that healthcare is a human right. The Tea Party people are not even human. They are the new Madame Desforges who would like nothing better to watch than the heads rolling into the buckets next to the guillotine.Last week, they cheered because Governor Perry was the master executioner. Maybe, there is not much left good in this country to save. If we elect any of the group of corporatists that were on the stage last night, we are doomed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madame_Defarge
Colostomy baggers
I guess we know who is voting for the people that lack any kind of empathy or compassion. Of course we already knew who they were didnt we...and God said....your on your own, good luck.
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3. Conventionalism — a high degree of adherence to the traditions and social norms that are perceived to be endorsed by society and its established authorities, and a belief that others in one's society should also be required to adhere to these norms.
A range of social controls also attempt to stifle civil society, while political stability is maintained by control over and support of the armed forces, a pervasive bureaucracy staffed by the regime, and creation of allegiance through various means of socialization and indoctrination.
Authoritarianism is a form of social organization characterized by submission to authority. It is usually opposed to individualism and democracy. In politics, an authoritarian government is one in which political authority is concentrated in a small group of political elite, typically unelected by the people (but not necessarily), who possess exclusive, most of the time unaccountable, and arbitrary power. Authoritarianism differs from totalitarianism in that social and economic institutions exist that are not under the government's control.
Additionally, there is a cynical view of mankind and a need for power and toughness resulting from the anxieties produced by perceived lapses in society’s conventional norms (destructiveness and cynicism).
I weep for my kids and grand kids. They will be living in the fall of a once great nation that was the beacon of a free and better world. I'm not sure when we lost our way, but we are now on the fast slide to the bottom. We will soon join the ranks of the other great empires who lost their way and fell onto the junk heap of history, because they forgot that the main goal of any nation is the well being of all its people.
diamondmc
when would have been the best time to leave Germany? During one million percent inflation? When Hitler was elected? The invasion of Poland? When did the inevitable occur? Should you leave fifteen years ahead of disaster, or try to time it so that you leave at the last minute?
Ever since "they" screamed about "Death Panels", insurance company practices and affordability came to my mind. Long before a Gov panel could deem your life "not worth living" the insurance company would decide it wasn't worth their time to pay to keep you alive. The TP is the true death panel.
Teapublican't M.O. Admit nothing Deny everything Accuse everyone of what you're guilty of,it continues to work on the Stoooopid.
I thought "death panels" we're bad... now they're good?
NAME IN NEWS, it's not enough that CNN is shilling for TEABAGGERS but they're getting their cues from Fauxsnooze,outside the crowd was flying WHERE'S THE REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE banners signs,CNN's continued support for these birthers disqualifies them as a serious source for news.
is they can't look forward. screw the guy who lost his job and doesn't have insurance until of course that guy is them.
then there's libertarians. they forget that when they wake up in the morning they're on a mattress probably made overseas. it was then shipped here by some other people, then distributed and shipped some more. before they can open their eyes they are enjoying the benefits of the work hundreds of people did on the other side of the planet. they would have you think that they hunt and gather all their own food, sew their own clothes, build their own houses, and cars and cell phones. they believe they (as individuals) are the only ones that do anything. however if everyone else (you know ayn rands lazy stupid people) stopped doing things they wouldn't have a pot to piss in because they don't know anything about ceramics.
Dumb/Dumber 2012
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
...Dumber/Dumb to vote against?
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
I don't understand the premise of Blitzer's question.....that the 30 year old has a good job and chooses not to pay for health insurance.
The much more relevant question should be if that 30 year old either had a not so good job that his employer did not provide with health insurance, or if that 30 year old was unemployed.....and, in either case, had to choose between providing food, clothing, and shelter for himself and his family vs. getting health insurance.
In any case, this actually is very depressing that people think like this teabagging audience do. Same with the cheering of Rick Parry's death penalty record.
It's bad enough and one thing to be in favor of the death penalty; it's bad enough and one thing to think that the 30 year old should have a choice and be "held accountable" for his decisions; but it's an entirely different level of hatred and disgust for fellow human beings when one actually cheers for these things. Makes me sick.
Can't wait for Bill Maher to come back on this Friday night. I'm sure he'll have plenty to say about these damned teabaggers.
I've posed this question too, though not here, and I think it's valid. To use the hypothetical of a healthy 30-year old with a good job who just doesn't want insurance...well, even though I'm an agnostic I still have enough of the good Christian spirit to never say "let him die" though I'm not surprised others would say it. Saddened, but not surprised. But I was really surprised Wolf DIDN'T use the other hypothetical, the healthy 30 year old who either lost his job and can't afford COBRA, or doesn't get good benefits, or can't afford healthcare AND rent and food, all of which are much more common scenarios and a much better barometer of where our sympathies lie when it comes to taking care of our fellow man. The answer form the Teabaggers of course is always more hypotheticals - he can get a roommate, he can eat more cheaply, he can choose a smaller place to live in a less expensive city or town...they will just never allow themselves to be pinned down as being cruel, unless they're incredibly OK with being cruel, only allowing the strong (or at least, the successful) to survive, making them (ironically since so many of them deny evolution) Darwinists.
Slappy.....I am convinced that these damned teabaggers and republicans want only people like them to survive. They want the sick, the weak, the poor, etc. to die because if they're dead, then they won't be a problem any more.
People like glenn the insane beck hawk gold, as does his former employer, Faux News. Who can buy gold? People who have money.
They say that teachers don't work 12 months out of the year, so that's their justification for teachers only making $50k a year instead of the millions those on Wall Street make. They imply that people who make only $50k a year don't work as hard as those who are wealthy, which is utter BS because they do work just as hard. Further, they probably work harder because they can't afford to have people work for them who might clean their houses, mow their lawns, take care of their children, send them shopping, etc. These asswipes want the rich to get richer and the poor to get poorer and then die.
I'm sure you saw Jon Stewart's segment a few weeks ago about how these pukes complain about the "moochers" on "welfare" yet want to give their wealthy buddies even more tax breaks. These asswipes say that the poor in this country aren't "what they used to be" because 90% of them have refrigerators, etc. Idiots like Neil Boortz viciously complain about such "moochers."
I'm just really sick of these people. They are greedy and selfish. They are haters. They have no soul, no conscience; they simply are not human.
"Slappy.....I am convinced that these damned teabaggers and republicans want only people like them to survive. They want the sick, the weak, the poor, etc. to die because if they're dead, then they won't be a problem any more".
Then who would scrub their toilets and pick up their little tax deductions from private school?
'Talk to the hand'
Will he do the same with the military, police and fire? There are no combat vets in in the teabagger party, just anti americans.
Ron Paul is not known for giving straight answers. His believe is to go back to the good old days even before he was born so I am asking him this how do you know those was the good old days? You see Ron believes in Property Rights, that a person have a right to say to some one you can not come on my land not because you have done any thing it is because your skin is black or brown isn't that right Mr Paul. He is full of words that never answers the question at hands, what is mind bothering is this! Why are there people still around and why are they so mean that they would see someone suffers by being attended by a layman, who knows nothing about medicine. Cheered by those who thinks it's all right to do this because it will not cost them anything and that person should have bought insurance, but it is against the Laws that states that everybody must get or be insured. Whats Ron's answer the church should take care of him. Now a days even the evangelical on the talk radio and television are hurting no one have any money. Ron is to old and should be locked. away before he brings all American down to their grave. Because the Blacks and Browns are not going to turn around.
Pro-life and cheering for death? That's a bit counterintuitive.
I do believe the ovens just got lit. These teabaggers, in my opinion, are just crazy enough to repeat that nasty little bit of history if given the chance. Mooslims, gays, libs, blacks, poor and uninsured...undesirables the lot of them. Makes me sick to my stomach to think that this is a possibility.
"You know, it's like that song, 'When stars and stripes and eagles fly'. Fuck, man, eagles fly in Canada too!"
Cpl. Person - Generation Kill
And these fuck-sticks wonder why we think they are a bunch of ghouls.
When angry, count four, when very angry, swear.
-Mark Twain-
I don't think they are all ghouls.....I KNOW they are all ghouls.
'Talk to the hand'
For all you Ron Paul fans out there, I've got some news for you.
1. Ron Paul is not a libertarian, he's a member of the republican party. He has run as a republican since day one. He has never ran as a independent or as a libertarian nor will he ever. Take the time and check his voting record sometime and you'll see he's just another right wing republican.
diamondmc
How many Repugs side with him on those issues?
At least with Ron Paul, it appears he is not a hypocrite. In today's world, that stands for something.
Ron Paul, certifiable and proud of it.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
I remember Wolf Blitzer literally pissing his pants like a grade school girl when the SCUDS fell while he was "on location" in Israel during the first Iraq War.
CNN had to fly the little pussy home.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
OK, so a church's parishioner has a massive heart attack, and the church somehow manages to come up with the $75,000 to cover his expenses. What happens when the organist's family of 6 gets into a car wreck putting the lot of them into intensive care? And the next day, ol' man McGillicutty slips during the baptism and wrecks his hip?
What church as the luxury of that much spare cash lying around to help even their most devoted members in their time of need?
The desire to care for others isn't the question, it's the cost of going to the doctor that's the issue.
Good Dog, we are f*cking doomed.
Well, those big televised corpro-megachurches (Warren, etc). Not that they'd ever cough up a dime to help any of their
membersstoopid sheeple, but..."Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
Exactly. If they were capable of handling this, then why aren't they helping now? I had surgery a few years ago. Guess how many churches offered to help with my bills? None. Guess who did help? The Government.
" IGM (I got MIne)..... screw you" to "I Got MIne..... Now Give Me Yours".
have medical insurance. Yeah, said the 30-year-old Cape Coral construction worker who just had his F-250 repo'ed...
Where/how are you gonna listen to rash and KKKlannity now, smartass?
BTW, this is one of the big differences between the FL gulf coast and the eastern metro areas. I doubt (but won't guarantee) that this wouldn't occur in Miami. (Sorry, Tampa...)
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
Signed up just to get deleted--- well-played!
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
Can we say, Große Lüge? It's the 'baggers who show up at the ER at taxpayer's expense, with non- inoculated kids, undiagnosed cancers, COPD, untreated STD's, clogged arteries and cirrhosis... in $80K Hummers. And FUTHERMORE (Rant, rave, snort): http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/...
Cliff Schecter is the President of Libertas, LLC, a progressive public relations firm, the author of the 2008 bestseller The Real McCain, and a regular contributor to The Huffington Post.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
we could all pitch-in and buy his family some medical insurance, or a pastrami on rye, tabbouleh with a kasha knish and a Harpoon IPA, or some Reese's Pieces?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/12/07/2784...
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/artic...
I won't speak for anyone else, but I can't say that. Wouldn't even know how to pronounce it.
;)
Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?
What they mean is Yeah let that guy die but I, of course, should get every treatment available. It's part of being a self centered, greedy, baby boomer. The more I look back at the sixties I see it wasn't about protesting the war in Viet Nam, it was about being greedy and self centered. It was all about me getting mine without having any consequences.
the 70's ushered in the "me generation"
oh, and the viet nam war/cambodian invasion protests were real ... so were the bullets, billy clubs, tear gas, and handcuffs used against the participants ... or do you suppose that they were just kinky?
that wanted a feeding tube rammed down terri schiavo's throat? i guess that, instead of arguing that she was in a vegetative state, her husband just should have refused to pay for her care
Yes it is. It is also the same crowd that worships the fetus and then
drops one like dead weight as soon as they pop out of their mother's
uterus.
Emancipate yourself from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our minds--Bob Marley
tossed twat tumors.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
that you get from having sex ... that's why they hate birth control, too, even though it prevents the need for abortions ... if you are gonna have sex, then you gotta be punished with a baby ... but they don't give a damn if you cannot afford to feed, house, or educate the kid ... caring about "twat tumors" after they are born would be like caring about the electric chair after the condemned man has been fried
When the good doctor said that churches took care of them, I could just see Pastors, Priests, and Ministers all over the country cringing in horror. I used to work in a welfare office. Churches HATE that kind of dump-it-on-the-church-doorstep charity. The only reason they offer it is because that's how they maintain their tax-free status. The FIRST thing they do when they get a case like that is dump it on welfare. It was the churches that campaigned for Medicare. Better the government go broke than the house of God.
The Party of Death rears its ugly head and rips the mask off.
WAKE UP PEOPLE... they're coming for your rights!
These Teabagger psychopath goons are straight out of nazi Germany. They should be filmed for political commercials next year.
Let the entire country see these sick fucking bastards cheer somebody dying because they can't afford healthcare.
Too bad we have dumbass as our spokesman. Could you see someone like Grayson or Sanders pointing out the pure evil and stupidity of these morons? They would lose 40+ states.
But no, we get Mr. "let's get along with my more extreme corporate fascist sellout bretheren."
If I were a psychopath, I would join the republican party, and get in on the gravy train taking the Teabircher morons to the cleaners.
To get a little more abstract, and extrapolate something more general:
Conservatives really believe you deserve whatever you get in this world.
Born into a rich family? You earned it.
Have a fatal disease? It's your fault.
This is what enables them to be do-nothing conservatives. Don't tax me, I earned my money. No, I don't have to help anyone else, they've earned their lot in life. If they're religious, it's easy to rationalize that the way things are, whatever they are, is they way god wants them to be.
Of course, I've chosen the words "you" and "your" above carefully. While individual conservatives think I have earned my good fortune, rarely will one have the courage of her conviction to stand by it's my fault when things go horribly awry.
Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?
With the changes that the GOP would like to make to Medicare/Medicaid, any hospital that wants to keep its doors open will have to axe charity care.
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Of those people who were cheering, many of them are exercising their "freedom" to be uninsured. Many of them are underinsured, and some of them are in danger of losing their insurance. It is conceivable that some of the very people who were cheering will be faced with Wolf Blitzer's scenario. They will be unable to pay for medical service, but will need it nonetheless. What do you suppose these people will do? They will show up at the emergency room, whether they have insurance or not. The irony will be lost on them. They won't be there because they're socialists, or because they have come to expect big government solutions. They will be there because they need treatment.
At the end of this clip, Ron Paul says he was a doctor, and his hospital never turned patients away. You can sure bet your last dollar that if they were admitted into the ER, they got a bill from the hospital. And if they didn't pay their bill, they got dunning letters and collection calls. And if they didn't pay up, they got sued or went bankrupt. And when they go bankrupt, or otherwise don't pay, the cost of their treatment gets paid by the rest of us. It is statistically almost inevitable that people will have to get medical treatment sooner or later. Doesn't it make sense to have a system where everybody is covered?
Louisville Lawyer
Ron Paul:
Who is your neighbor, Ron?
Seriously, man. Your argument against the government providing healthcare for its citizens is that the citizens should be helping each other instead?
What if -- now this is a big if -- but what if the government and the people were one and the same? What if we had a system where we established a government in order to do things like promoting the common welfare of the people, both now and in the future? Wouldn't that be very much like helping our neighbors?
... and the guy standing next to you collapses and is non-responsive. What do you do?
A. Search his wallet and pockets for his insurance card or proof of his ability to pay medical bills;
B. Search his wallet and pockets for a Green Card, lest he be an illegal alien trying to get free medical care;
C. Both A an B above or
D. Call an ambulance or for a doctor.
Most of us would call an ambulance. To most of us, the ability to pay medical bills wouldn't even be a consideration, because for most of us, when we see a person with severe medical problems, we believe they should be cared for. Period.
Louisville Lawyer
at least in part because we hope that we, too, will get help should we be the stranger in distress ...and while we wish that the careless 30-yr-old had invested in insurance instead of a new flat-screen tv, we will make sure that his life is saved because we hope that, if our dumb choices ever threaten our lives, our fellow citizens will cover our asses
of course some of us also feel compassion for the suffering, whether or not they have made bad choices, believe in the right deity/prophets, and/or work hard enough ... hell, i feel compassion for george bush, even though i believe him to be a thief and a mass murderer, because i believe that he suffers from mental illness and was raise by two cruel, unfeeling monsters
but the teabaggers neither feel compassion nor calculate for self interest ... they are, as near as i can tell, a bunch of reckless, narcissistic, unfeeling sociopaths
this guy's wallet would scare away most 'Thugs.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
and I think if a Thug thought the dude had money in his wallet, s/he would have army-crawled under there to lift it--better yet, would have waited for the one bystander to drag him out...get the union guys to do the heavy lifting and walk off with the spoils.
me-oww!
It is clear from the question that the audience is underthinking the entire thing. The benefit to society that a man not die at 30 is just so much greater than any 6 month ailment would cost. We're talking tax revenues, inovations he may make, children he may be taking care of or make in the future. Do they consider every living person a drain on society?
Certainly, Paul did not go so far as to say he should die, but bankruptcy is a go!
Say it isn't so!
The republican healthcare plan: Don't get sick or injured EVER, because we will let you die.
As Barney Frank once said, "For republicans, life begins at conception and ends at birth."
Emancipate yourself from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our minds--Bob Marley
If you're sick or injured it must be your own fault. Personal responsibility!* (*as long as you're not a Republican)
Paul:"We actually should legalize alternative health care, let them practice what they want"....cheers!
What in the f$%k does that even mean?
"Do you know what they call alternative medicine that works"?
"Medicine". Tim Minchin
'Talk to the hand'
these are the same fucks who put so much effort to demonize pot and other "alternative" pharmaceuticals...
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
Pot does not cure anything. It is very useful for temporary relief from nausea, headaches. chronic pain, etc, but it cures nothing, just as "alternative health care",medicine, has no merit beyond a placebo effect.
For Paul to make a general, vague statement that alternative health care should be legal is deliberately misleading because alternative health and medicines are generally speaking legal as long as they do not make false claims of effectiveness.
'Talk to the hand'
The mental repercussions of extended pot use far outweighs any temporary "healing" properties it may have.
In fact, none of the medicines prescribed for headache, nausea, or chronic pain are cures. They only relieve the symptoms. But I don't see many people suggesting that we outlaw aspirin, although we actually have no idea how it works.
Isn't that nice? A medical doctor telling lending creedence to "alternative medicine". I don't know if Paul still has a medical license, but if he does, it should be revoked IMMEDIATELY.
And where does Wolf Blitzer get $200-$300 a month for medical insurance? It's not even that cheap.
Maybe it cost that 10-15 years ago. What fucking world are these goons living in...seriously?!
Emancipate yourself from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our minds--Bob Marley
America behold the alternative to Barack Obama!!
No, with Obama there's a lot to be desired but I mean, dang!!!! Look what could be!!!!
I have no choice but to fight until the last of us who believes that "what you do to the least of my brethren, you do unto me" is dead and gone, but kids, we WILL be dead and gone. What follows in the wake of economic disenfranchisement is ignorance--per force--because schools and their educators are all being gutted. The dominoes have started; they started in fact when wages began to stop increasing in the 80s. Fear, avarice, religious superstition, selfishness and jingoistic xenophobia all follow in the wake of not having the opportunities of employment, insurance, and the hope of a better world for our children. I'd give anything to leave this fucking place, but I can't...literally (read the State Department regs on this, and be amazed). So, I have to vote, make my voice heard whenever I can, and try to motivate others to do th same. Underlying all this, though, is the certainty that this nation--with all it's misdeeds--is no longer capable of change in any direction but towards ignorance, poverty, fear, and a much earlier death. In other words, the Republican platform.
What do you call an American who wants other Americans to die?
Are they terrorists?
What about the ones in power who whip them up into a frenzy?
Are they terrorists leaders? Or traitors to our Nation?
I so do not like where the GOP is taking the kool-aid drinkers.
I call them my enemy. They view us as the "enemy". It's about time we started ACTING like their enemy. These people should be treated like the DOGS they are.
Such childish incivility -- so let them renounce their citizenship and give up their civil rights.
I think it's about high time we renounced it for them.
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