Tom Coburn Claims Members of Congress Have "Earned" Threats of Violence
By Heather Monday Aug 17, 2009 6:00am
Tom Coburn tried to rationalize the threats of violence and the anger at these town hall protests on Meet the Press today and was called out by Rachel Maddow for it. Dick Armey chimed in as well and tried to say that MoveOn.org was just as bad for running an ad comparing Bush to Hitler. As Rachel points out, they never ran that ad, not that it stopped Dick Armey from trying to say it again a bit later in the show. Coburn's statement was far enough over the top that even David Gregory refuted him.
MR. GREGORY: All right. But let’s talk about the tone of the debate. There have been death threats against members of Congress, there are Nazi references to members of Congress and to the president. Here are some of the images. The president being called a Nazi, his reform effort being called Nazi-like, referring to Nazi Germany, members of Congress being called the same. And then there was this image this week outside of Portsmouth, New Hampshire, a town hall event that the president had, this man with a gun strapped to his leg held that sign, “It is time to water the tree of liberty.” It was a reference to that famous Thomas Jefferson quote, “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.” That has become a motto for violence against the government. Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma City bomber, had that very quote on his shirt the day of the bombing of the Murrah building when 168 people were killed.
Senator Coburn, you are from Oklahoma. When this element comes out in larger numbers because of this debate, what, what troubles you about that?
SEN. TOM COBURN (R-OK): Well, I’m, I’m troubled anytime when we, we stop having confidence in, in our government. But we’ve earned it. You know, this debate isn’t about health care. Health care’s the symptom. The debate is an uncontrolled federal government that’s going to run--50 percent of everything we’re spending this year we’re borrowing from the next generation. You...
MR. GREGORY: That’s—but wait, hold on, I want to stop you there. I’m talking about the tone. I am talking about violence against the government. That’s what this is synonymous with.
SEN. COBURN: The, the—but the tone is based on fear of loss of control of their own government. What, what is the genesis behind people going to such extreme statements? What is it? We, we have lost the confidence, to a certain degree, and it’s much worse than when Tom was the, the, the leader of the Senate. We have, we have raised the question of whether or not we’re legitimately thinking about the American people and their long-term best interests. And that’s the question. The, the mail volume of all the senators didn’t go up based on the healthcare debate, the mail volume went up when we started spending away our future indiscriminately. And that’s not Republican or Democrat, that has been a problem for years. But it’s exacerbated now that we’re in the kind of financial situation and economic situation.
MR. GREGORY: Congressman Armey, FreedomWorks, your organization, advocacy organization getting together a lot of folks, coordinating a lot of the efforts to get people out for the protests. Do you bear some responsibility for the tone of the debate?
FMR. REP. DICK ARMEY (R-TX): Not, not whatsoever. Not when you see the kind of extreme thing you just saw, the—you know, I had my differences with President Bush, George W. Bush, there’s no doubt about it. They were well aware of that. But when moveon.org ran those ads that compared President Bush with, with Adolf Hitler, I thought it was despicable.
MS. RACHEL MADDOW: They never did that.
REP. ARMEY: They did do it. I’ll show you the ad.
MS. MADDOW: They didn’t do that. They never ran an ad that compared...
REP. ARMEY: All right. Anyway. All right.
MS. MADDOW: MoveOn never ran an ad that compared Bush to Hitler.
REP. ARMEY: All right.
MR. GREGORY: Well, hold on, hold on. Finish your thought and then...
REP. ARMEY: What, what, what, you’re going to get your chance to talk. Well, I, I, I just looked at the moveon.org ad again this morning, and it, it was a horrible thing. You know, it’s horrible to see this. But I have had town hall meetings since 1984. There are always a lot of colorful people that show up with town hall meetings, a lot of people with a lot of colorful statements. When FreedomWorks encourages people to go to town hall meetings, we encourage them to go and make their points clearly, assertively and with good manners. So I’m not—I don’t know who these folks are. We certainly bear no responsibility for...
MR. GREGORY: But you say good manners; the, the House speaker, Nancy Pelosi, wrote an op-ed this week during which she said, “Drowning out opposing views is simply un-American. Drowning out the facts”...
REP. ARMEY: Well...
MR. GREGORY: ...”drowning out the facts is how we failed at this effort for many decades.” Un-American, Rachel?
REP. ARMEY: Well...
MS. MADDOW: I—well, I, I think that anytime you’re trying to stop discussion, I think that’s un-American. But I, I mean, I take issue with the idea that the government has done anything to earn the kind of threats of violence that we have seen.
SEN. COBURN: I didn’t say that.
MS. MADDOW: Well, you—well, David, I...
SEN. COBURN: What I, what I said is what—it is indicative of the loss of confidence. And when people are afraid, they do all sorts of things that they normally wouldn’t do.
MR. GREGORY: All right.
MS. MADDOW: I don’t think...
SEN. COBURN: And we have undermined, by our actions—whether it be earmarking and corruption and, and disconnection between integrity and character in what we do and what the people expect, and this—these are just symptoms...
MS. MADDOW: But whether...
SEN. COBURN: ...of a lack of confidence in what we’re doing.
MR. GREGORY: Go ahead, Rachel.
MS. MADDOW: Whether or not, whether or not the government has acted in a way that you feel is defensible, I don’t think the government has done anything to earn, in your words, the, the, the threat of—that the blood of tyrants must run in the streets, which is what the literal threat was from that man with the gun strapped to, strapped to his leg in New Hampshire. I also don’t think that, that there is an equivalence between what moveon.org has done and with the comparisons of the president to Hitler that we’ve seen so often in this debate. I mean, some of the major organizations who are organizing these events, like Americans for Prosperity, a group that has some similarities to FreedomWorks but definitely a different group, they’ve had speakers going around the country not only comparing healthcare reform to Hitler, but comparing them to Pol Pot and Stalin, saying “Put the fear of God into your members of Congress.” I don’t think the government has done anything to earn that.
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That is a clear message Senator Coburn, I'm certain that you mean 'They've' earned it and I predict murderous violence will follow.
It seems pretty clear to me that he meant "we earned the lack of confidence", very misleading headline.
His answer to David's question about the groupthink that's been coming out screaming and yelling, threatening people with violence and simply being total assholes... is "But we deserve it."
somehow, that "we" doesn't really seem to mean any repuglyKKKans.
It means I have also quit watching the lying asshole they have on their shows also.
You know the only time I hear from any of this scum now is through clips here and what is reported in the BBC, and other news outlets that are not part of the US corporate propaganda machine.
The news and our government died in 2000 and no longer exists!
That was the first step that I took in ending my own teevee addiction.
I get my news clips from C&L too. The longer I'm away from the teevee, the more bizarre it looks when I do see the programming.
Teevee = Creepee!
Yep! Me too! Also locked out Fox too!
25 years ago. Threw out the tube. Don't miss it, and I know I'm better informed than when I relied on the propagandists. Stopped reading newspapers and news magazines about that time, too. They whole corporate media really has a whole lot of nothing to offer they are in the business of spreading around harm.
No newspapers. The "Arizona Republic" should change it's name to the "Arizona Republican."
Or, more to the point, "The Gannett Corporation's John Birch Companion."
I expect them to shut down the net in the next decade. Or sooner.
Hated the Arizona Repulsive when I lived there. It's always been so shamelessly liberal hating. Our Las Vegas Review Journal is just as bad, all cage liner, no news. Most of my AZ family have canceled their subscriptions, and my dad (who has an awesome photo of himself w/Jimmy Carter at the White House) still reads it, but borrows it from our Repub family friend after she's done with it.
The coup de etat of 2000 happened after I left. The KKKristians rise to 'power' before the actual give-away, was what tiped me off. I've never regretted the decision. It's not as hard or as expensive as you might think.
Please forgive me for picking nits, but it's coup d'etat. In French you drop the "e" and put an apostrophe and join the words when the following word begins with a vowel.
Chasing OJ down the highway.
That pretty much ended sensible news coverage in America.
To be a lying shit head!
He, and the rest of the asshole that support big business over the will of the people....have DAMN SURE earned it!
have confidence in an out of control government, "we have earned it?" Given the context of the question isn't he saying the federal employees who had their children in a "out of control" government run day care in the federal building "earned" the death of their kids?
Sounds to me like he's making a threat.
You make my state of Arizona look almost...sane?
Or not.
vote against the MLK holiday.
Still a close call though.
a bad case of the 'punch-me-face'
Ummm...Obama won by landslide after running on the issue.
Shows what 50% of the wealth concentrated in a few republican hands can do.
These evil bastards will not stop until the guilotine pulls up in their driveway.
too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWU7FxQIsoM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tr6VrmOQY1M
quality of Coburn's counsel.
You mean 'US' as in the guys who have run the place into the ground over the last decade with a Republican president and a Republican majority in Congress?
Or do you mean 'THAT ONE'?
Coburn is just feeding the extremist meme that the 2nd Amendment means everyone should have a gun so's they can overthrow a government gone bad (where 'bad' = 'black guy').
Ring the bell, win a prize! Step right up and say n****r under your breath for a free try! Don't be shy now give it a try.
I want my country back.
I am sorry we lost your confidence, son. It is our fault. We will try harder.
I wish like hell they had Dr. Dean on that show. He would have verbally beat the shit out of Coburn and Armey. We are supposed to believe Coburn is something special because he practices medicine "almost every Monday"? The republicans are flying without a net these days as they use words mighty loosely.
out looking for a place to land.
to go back to practicing their love on American women since they have no restored confidence in our government.
In order to gain the political power they've enjoyed for more than two decades, Republican moderates and fiscal conservatives made a pact with the devil (faux Christians, bigots and misanthropes) to achieve the numbers they needed to defeat Democrats. They made a strategic decision to manipulate and exploit the ignorance, fears and hatreds of dysfunctional and vulnerable voters in order to win elections rather than lose them by being intellectually and morally honest.
Today, those who conspired with the devil are caught between wanting to disassociate themselves with and or casting out the devil they empowered and the karmic reality that they don't have the numbers to hold on to or regain power without continuing to accept and "advocate" the immoral values, hypocrisies and corruptions that are dividing and destroying their party.
The survival of today's shrinking Republican Party has become so dependent on extremism that they have no significant power left WITH or WITHOUT the support of America's increasingly pernicious lunatic fringe.
The idiom "caught between the devil and the deep blue sea" is certainly appropriate as Republicans are facing the dilemma of choosing between two equally undesirable alternatives that both result in Republican impotence in mainstream American politics. They are suffering the consequences of their treachery.
Their irresponsible propping up of George W. Bush cost them their credibility, and the inflammatory insanities of mercenary opportunists like Tom Coburn are costing them their viability.
by 2012 looks to me.
to the whitehouse. I told them how I voted a straight Democratic ticket last election.
I reminded them that I contributed to BHO's campaign fund. I imagine that many people here did likewise.
Then I informed them that I would like to see the President stand up for some of the change that he promised.
Otherwise, I'm back to voting Greens/Socialists.
The Confederate Party may survive due to dissatisfaction with the Democratic party.
the next political event may not be an election.
that's the one big dread in my mind...
Even if things end up in the People's favor...getting there will be ugly.
Damn, Osage, I like the way you think and I couldn't agree with you more.
for Gregory to finally grow a set?
MTP should have gone to Maddow in the first place.
I didn't think the show could sink any lower after Cheney revealed the "softball" set-ups Russert's MTP would throw for the viewing public but it actually did sink even further with Gregory. I know many others who stopped watching this dreck long ago as well.
so doesn't get it. What on earth is wrong with the voters of Oklahoma?
you.
That's the scary part.
This woman went to the lieberry and found out what she needs to know
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8XmerZEyHE
the folks like this lady is They Breed ....a Lot!
And still living next to it.
The problem with Oklahoma is that all the smart people leave to go either to Texas (hence the craziness, but still rather smart) or Arkansas (still craziness, but some smarts). All that's left is the craziness and no smarts.
You gotta remember, Oklahoma was supposed to be the "last" Indian reservation, but then the government opened it up to anyone that had a fast horse to stake their claim of land. So, right off the bat, Oklahoma's settlers (not the Indians) weren't the best and the brightest. The state song is from a musical. The main football team takes it's mascot name from those that cheated the start of the land run (Sooners). And there are no trees in Oklahoma.
Luckily, my father was from Texas and my mom was from Arkansas and my siblings and I got out before the public school system could lay down any serious damage to our education.
My mom was from Louisiana and my Dad was from Texas. But he
got educated in Oklahoma, all the way through his post graduate degree. They got together in Texas.
"What, what is the genesis behind people going to such extreme statements? What is it?"
I don't know Tom... Might be that they are freakishly insane and can't handle their ideologies' complete and total failure and the rejection of that failed ideology in an election. Or it could be they are equally as insane when it comes to a black man being the president. Does it really matter? Crazy is as crazy does.
...is a complete moron...or "moran" as his teabagger buddies would spell it. He can spin it like a dervish, but the fact is that he's afraid to call out those who have become increasingly violent in the past weeks. I'm certain that this will eventually lead to loss of lives. Hope he's ready for the consequences of his hate speech.
BTW: Dick Armey is so amazingly dispicable that he defies further comment.
and go on MTP. I want to mention that the Iraq war will force us to borrow massive amounts of money from the next generation of Americans, and then claim that congresspeople who voted in favor of the war have earned threats of violence.
On a more important note, how long does coburn have to work on his hair to get those two little fluffy curly things to sit just so on his forehead? They seemed to be losing their curl as the show went along.
it is due to a loss of confidence, Silly. Even Coburn knows that.
I feel so silly for asking the question. Especially since even Coburn knew the answer.
We are both wrong. He put on "Ambassador" Bolton's mustache upside down and in the wrong place.
It looked to me like a dog groomer did his hair and just forgot the little red bow in the middle.
happens.
Even on a republican doctor's head.
If it did come close in anyone's mind, patricia, the connection was nullified when he said "I didn't say that" in reference to that very connection.
when he didn't call Obama a racist.
.
the government pulled the plug?
The lobbying groups scaring gullible Republican seniors into manically opposing national health care reform are the very same lobbying groups who for years have been advocating the ELIMINATION of Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.
That is and always has been their ultimate objective! That is how stupidly naive the teabaggers, bithers and deathers truly ARE! They are virtually providing the ropes for their own hangings.
Fox news, Lou Dobbs and Sarah Palin are real world Pied Pipers of Hamelin provoking and leading vulnerably frightened Republican dullards to financial/medical ruin and assisted self-destruction.
Let's give Beck some credit for that too.
Dick Armey was on MTP yesterday and admitted he was basically against all social programs including health care reform.
Seriously?
LobbyBlog Six Lobbyists Per Lawmaker Work To Shape Health Care Overhaul
No fewer 3,300 lobbyists have signed up to influence health care reform, Bloomberg reports.
That's six lobbyists for each of the 535 members of the House and Senate, according to Senate records, and three times the number of people registered to lobby on defense. More than 1,500 organizations have health-care lobbyists, and about three more are signing up each day. Every one of the 10 biggest lobbying firms by revenue is involved in an effort that could affect 17 percent of the U.S. economy.
"The sheer quantity of money that's sloshed around Washington is drowning out the voices of citizens and the groups that speak up for them," said Larry McNeely of U.S. Public Interest Research Group.
More here.
-- Rachel Weiner
Americans to hike down streets with colorful bundles of supply's and essentials on their heads like the impoverished folk in other lands? Or will they put all those home arsenals to work? I can't wait to find out.
"In 1998, during the Monica Lewinsky scandal, a reporter asked him what he would do if he were in President Bill Clinton's position. He replied "If I were in the President's place I would not have gotten a chance to resign. I would be lying in a pool of my own blood, hearing Mrs. Armey standing over me saying, 'How do I reload this damn thing?'"[4] This caused several of his former female economics students to go public with stories of his sexually harrassing them — harassment allegedly so severe that at least one student transferred to another school. He would later divorce his wife and marry one of his students. [5]"
Another story about a republican with a sordid history. Ho Hum, got anything new and different?
people free money to buy cars with "Cash for Clunkers". The same nation that is deeply paranoid, scared to death about the government giving anybody free health care.
...Bush and Cheney earned a trip to the World Court in The Hague?
This headline is dishonest and a gross distortion of what Coburn said he was referring to. In fact, he stated that he did not say that government has earned threats of violence when Maddow tried to frame his response that way.
I don't know how that could be any more clear to anyone watching the clip or reading the transcript.
Not good.
concerned.
mentality, and what troubled him when that kind of element appears. He chose to blame the government for it.
Which comes dangerously close to saying he excused what McVeigh did.
As I posted earlier, it comes close to saying the victims, as part of the out of control government in which people had "lost confidence" somehow earned what Mr. McVeigh did to them.
You let him off too easy.
got run off from huffpo? kos?
No, libNmod, never posted at either one of those blogs.
I know you like to be the first one to speak up when there's an inaccurate headline that states the opposite of what someone says, so I apologize if I stole your thunder, my friend.
No offense intended.
but you give yourself too much credit, my friend.
No thunder missin over here.
He said: "Well, I’m, I’m troubled anytime when we, we stop having confidence in, in our government. But we’ve earned it. You know, this debate isn’t about health care. Health care’s the symptom. The debate is an uncontrolled federal government...."
It's not that most Americans have lost confidence in our system of government (i.e., the Constitution), we've lost confidence in the People who have been populating the government over the past number of decades and in the two-party system, which is undeniably corrupted.
It's not about an 'uncontrolled federal government'...it's about a federal government that is Controlled, in fact, OWNED by the corporations. Every part of our government is 'pay to play' and The People be damned as long as Tom and Dick (and Harry, too) get to keep lining their pockets and staying in power.
It's not about health care....it's about distraction; and, systemic greed, corruption and the theft of our entire way of life.
Speaking of health care, this is a link to a study into the differences between animals and humans in post-natal care.
http://woondu.com/the-difference-between-anim...
LobbyBlog Six Lobbyists Per Lawmaker Work To Shape Health Care Overhaul
No fewer 3,300 lobbyists have signed up to influence health care reform, Bloomberg reports.
That's six lobbyists for each of the 535 members of the House and Senate, according to Senate records, and three times the number of people registered to lobby on defense. More than 1,500 organizations have health-care lobbyists, and about three more are signing up each day. Every one of the 10 biggest lobbying firms by revenue is involved in an effort that could affect 17 percent of the U.S. economy.
"The sheer quantity of money that's sloshed around Washington is drowning out the voices of citizens and the groups that speak up for them," said Larry McNeely of U.S. Public Interest Research Group.
More here.
-- Rachel Weiner
So I will not point out that both Tom Coburn and Dick Armey have doctoral degrees.
Coburn's is from the Upstairs Hollywood Medical School and Dick's is from WalMart.
they both did their post graduate work at the University of Oklahoma.
Right! And Rush Limbaugh's audience is the intelligentsia of today's Republican Party.
And the only thing worse than an uneducated political whore is an educated one.
Armey, especially, lies and cheats at everything else, so his doctorate is suspect as far as I am concerned. But Coburn is different. He practices medicine on Wednesdays. Is he the one who writes Limbo's oxy 'scripts? I wondered who did that.
No wonder these confused souls confuse the Applachian Trail with Argentina.
I was surprised to see Dick sitting next to Rachel yesterday on MTP. After her reporting allegedly caused his departure from his law firm. But of course that did not stop him from lying about moveon.org's ads comparing W to Hitler. A fact check shows that moveon sponsored a competition for political ads and got over 1,000 submissions. There were a couple about Hitler that did NOT play well with the web audience ranking them and they never made it to airtime, anywhere .... accept of course the RNC's airtime. What vacuous BS from the other real Dick in the Bush administration.
Armey had nothing yesterday. First he lied, then he told stories about what "someone" told him and again what his "minister" told him. If you subtract the lies and the "stories" he brought zero to the table. That's why he had to laugh so much, it killed time until he could come up with another lie or story.
The Dems did it first.
It is evident that the spirit of Jesse Helms did not die, but rather propagated itself into the GOP bible-belt politicians who have dogged this nation since day one.
Coburn ran for the House against a progressive (for Oklahoma) Democrat in 94, Mike Synar. Synar lost the primary to a conservative Democrat. Coburn became the first Republican to win the district and was re-elected in 96 despite Clinton winning the district.
There is a reason some blue dogs get paranoid.
Its pretty ridiculous for people here who regularly fantasize about" breaking out the pitchforks and torches," rioting, and bombing Wall Street (just look at comments about Goldman bonuses) to be complaining about threats and anger over healthcare.
I have to agree with you. However, I find such commentary far less offensive than defending such commentary, downplaying it, or shifting the blame when asked about it as a member of the U.S. Senate.
over that stuff, actually made death threats to anyone involved.
Kinda comparing apples to oranges a bit dontcha think?
with the "Ignore User" button. Ask a really well educated person what that did to destroy my miniscule undereducated immature self esteem.
for about 2 days...
Then I got over whatever silly thing it was that pissed me off.
Oh yeah, lol, I'm suuuuuure ya lost so much sleep over that!
Is that an equation from dichotomy land that I will need a razor to project?
Yes it is!
I feel estimable.
... our founding fathers and the Khmer Rouge should be pretty much equivalent.
Aren't false dichotomies fun?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUCZXn9RZ9s
And the Sturmabteilung movement was like the Suffragette movement, which is like a bowel movement.
Of course, she handles herself with so much tact while getting that "cool you jets little lady" look from the troll(s) next to and across from her. Guess what trolls, she's got you beat.
... about how bad the government is, without letting the fact that HE IS PART OF THE DAMN GOVERNMENT pollute his beautiful mind?
He's simply admitting that he's been doing a poor job. And he knows that we know that he knows he's been doing a poor job. His honesty is refreshing.
and that by "threats" he refers to the faux self righteous misplaced anger by the tabaggers.
..thank God I have for my representatives Virginia Foxx (illegitmate daughter of Redd Foxx) and senator Richard Burr, both republicans on the take from the Medical-Industrial complex and the Pharmacy slush fund, as well as the Wing-Nut retirement fund. I thought my two were STOOPID, but they can't hold a candle to Sennytor Tom "Jack S. Phogbound" Coburn. To say in public and out loud, especially in front of Rachel Maddow, that members of Congress have done anything to DESERVE vile treatment up to and including death threats goes on beyond preposterous and STOOPID!. It's criminal for a sitting Senator to make such totally ignernt statements!
The folks in Oklahoma must be so proud of their village idiot Tom.
Just glad he's not my "Jack S."
When I turned on MTP and saw Coburns hair, I almost fell off the couch laughing. How do you take seriously a man who does his hair like that?
The man's a screeching right-wing loon of the first rank. He's an MD? He must be one of the doctors Reagan rescued in Grenada from Moe's Medical School and Radiator Shop Emporium. We sure showed those Cuban and Russian construction workers what the US military could do, didn't we? That one was an early Neo-Con wet-dream.
Stop Exaggerating! What the man said was:
"Well, I’m, I’m troubled anytime when we, we stop having confidence in, in our government. But we’ve earned it"
VERY Obviously meaning that the government has earned a lack of confidence. You are sensationalizing.
only by ignoring the question Coburn was asked.
Oh hey coburn...
I think he wants his haircut back...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1T6U3nsnhs
It's very simple. He says the government earned this response because people feel they're not in control any more. The people protesting are Republicans; Republicans respond to loss in the elections with threats of violence; Republicans are anti-democracy.
Not that anyone needs to be told this after the Bush junta, but the logic is transparent in what he says.
Too bad it won't (ever) get noticed during the interview by the people who should be saying something.
how, the minute anybody isn't towing the conservative line, "They're troubled that no one is representing their interests", (like when they lose an election, HUGELY)? But if the Democrats lose an election, they're supposed to just suck on it? Why should it be better for this MINORITY when they lose an election? What's "special" about them, other than the bus they rode to school?
The people who won the election are supposed to get the policies they want. It's SUPPOSED to be a sh*t taco for the losers. Man up, neo-cons.
Coburn is typical of those who are Senators-for-life in the safe radical right wing states. He expects nobody to question his wisdom, since he fears no reprisal from his constituents back home.
Rachel did just that by contradicting his nonsense, and he was visibly startled that she had the temerity to call him on the bullsh**t coming from his exaulted self.
They are barbaric bullies. They whine when they are challenged, yet they always want to attack. As Garafalo said, they are definitely suffering a gene deficiency.
Tom Coburn is the main speaker at a republican rally at a local gun range here in Oklahoma City. A big sponsor is ktok radio and RACIST Mark Shannon. Mr. Shannon as I write, is ranting about How Timothy McVie could be right. "The things Timothy Mcvie did, ARE NOW RATIONAL." And Mr. Shannon just qouted "the blood of tyrants", speech his ilk love to promote. Mr. Shannon has on air threatened our presidents life, with gun violence, has stated he would pistol whip our Oklahoma Lt. Gov. who is a woman, and has stated he would beat Hillary Clinton with a baseball bat. Mark Shannon should be held responsible for his words. If any citizen would threaten a public official with bodily harm, WE would go to jail. Tom Cobern is on this near KLAN status radio show often. He and Mark Shannon ARE PROMOTING BLOODSHED!!!!
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